IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 March 2012   (all times are UTC)

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01:29
<tbruff13>
stgraber: are you here
01:29
I need your help
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01:34
<tbruff13>
now whenever I boot a client it loads the gtk startup stuff (which is fine) and when i log in i see the log in sign stuff for Kubuntu and then a black screen and a cursor and that is it
01:34
I got the server to work
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08:27
<alkisg>
!learn socat as One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
08:27
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "remote" is not a valid command.
08:32
<alkisg>
!socat
08:32
<ltsp>
alkisg: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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09:27
<elias_a>
Good Monday to everybody!
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12:09
<manus>
Hello, I 've configured ltsp fat clients for work, users required to be able to lock screen. How can I enable this with fat client? Thanks
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12:31
<Hyperbyte>
manus, you need to reinstall the screensaver package in the chroot
12:31
To lock the screen, Gnome needs the "xscreensaver-command-lock" command.
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12:53
<alkisg>
manus: the short answer is "you can't", fat clients can't authenticate locally because their password isn't stored locally for security reasons
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<Hyperbyte>
:o
12:54
Didn't even consider that
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13:53
<LuizAngioletti>
andygraybeal: Hi there!
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14:17
<LuizAngioletti>
alkisg: hello there.
14:17
wlecome.
14:17
<alkisg>
Hi LuizAngioletti
14:17
<LuizAngioletti>
*welcome
14:19
<elias_a>
alkisg: Speaking of last Fridays chat - what is the total amount of thin clients in the 250 schools you are providing with LTSP?
14:20
<alkisg>
elias_a: each school has about 12 pcs, and overall half of them are fat and half thin
14:20
(some schools have 8 pcs, others have 30... 12 is the median)
14:20
<elias_a>
alkisg: Wow. That is large scale.
14:21
<alkisg>
Fortunately all went well the last 2 years
14:21
<elias_a>
alkisg: I became so interested in this... Could we arrange a webinar on the subject some time?
14:21
<alkisg>
Over irc? Who will be attending?
14:21
<elias_a>
A webinar = OpenMeetings or Adobe Connect meeting
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14:22
<elias_a>
I would like to interview you using a prepared list and attendees could also ask questions.
14:23
I guess using Flash is the only drawback in this method.
14:23
The good thing is that it is fun.
14:23
<alkisg>
Let me think about it and tell you tomorrow, I'm in the middle of something right now, ok?
14:24
<elias_a>
OK. I thought about inviting the Finns, use contacts all over Europe. Let me know.
14:24
<alkisg>
ty, brb..
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16:07
<LuizAngioletti>
What is the bug tracking system that LTSP developers use? What is their point of view towards Redmine for that?
16:07
I know it's offtopic...
16:07
=/
16:14
<Hyperbyte>
!upstream-bug
16:14
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: upstream-bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+filebug
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16:50
<LuizAngioletti>
I kind of imagined...
16:50
Then I threw: lauchpad.net/ltsp and it worked. =P
16:51
Hyperbyte: thanks anyway.
16:54
<vagrantc>
!seen alkisg
16:54
<ltsp>
vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <alkisg> ty, brb..
16:57
<knipwim>
Hyperbyte: are you still working on the wiki?
16:57
or was that put on hold, with your company move and all
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17:19
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, it's not really on hold, but there's a new plan with more people involved... it needs to come off the ground yet though.
17:20
<knipwim>
how about a public design plan, like a google doc or something
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17:45
<zevlag>
Either I'm doing something wrong, or LTSP is broken in 12.04 Precise, I've installed a new Precise Desktop, installed LTSP, build image, boot a client, and it boots. after I login, it says "can't load session 'ubuntu'"
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18:18
<alkisg>
vagrantc: thanks, fixed in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/243
18:18
The -p (print pid) was supposed to be a "background" parameter, and I put it to "lock-screen" by mistake
18:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: ah.
18:23
<alkisg>
We're still trying to remove the zenity dependencies, I hope we'll be ready in 3-4 hours...
18:23
<vagrantc>
cool!
18:23
ssvnc also pulls in a mess-load
18:24
<alkisg>
But that's just a secondary dependency, so it doesn't really matter, does it?
18:25
It will be xvnc4viewer | ssvncviewer
18:25
The latter to be used only by people that really have to use 24bpp
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18:28
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sure.
18:28
alkisg: it's really an excessive recommends ... so not so bad.
18:28
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ah, actually, no it won't even be in recommends
18:28
Maybe just in suggests
18:29
As xvnc4viewer is required and used by default even if ssvnc is installed
18:29
(because it allows hiding the popup menu)
18:29
And ssvncviewer is only used in 24bpp, if it exists
18:29
So... that would be a "suggests" ?
18:29
<vagrantc>
alkisg: no, i mean ssvnc has a lot of recommends
18:30
<alkisg>
Yup I got it, I was saying that we won't put Depends: xvnc4viewer | ssvncviewer in epoptes-client
18:30
<vagrantc>
alkisg: suggests is almost pointless
18:30
recommends is often too strong... *sigh*
18:30
<alkisg>
It's just to tell people that under certain circumstances, eopptes-client might use it (i.e. in 24bpp that noone should be using anyway)
18:31
<vagrantc>
alkisg: does epoptes still do the "shutdown -f -p" or whatever it was that doesn't trigger a proper shutdownn process?
18:32
nobbody except all the crazy people testing epoptes in virtual machines :P
18:33
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I don't think epoptes ever did that... I think that was ltsp-specific
18:33
It calls dbus, if it can, or plain reboot/poweroff
18:34
KVM supports `-vga vmware` which doesn't use 24 bpp
18:34
<vagrantc>
it seems to be behaving with the hard shutdown even using newer versions of ldm/ltsp
18:34
<alkisg>
Do you invoke the shutdown when users are logged on, or at ldm?
18:35
<vagrantc>
i *think* it behaved the same way with both, but i just tested at the ldm login prompt
18:35
<alkisg>
At ldm, it calls "poweroff"
18:35
From within the session, it sets the xprop and logs off
18:36
So if you saw that with both, at least on the second case, epoptes-client isn't to blame
18:36
LDM handles the xprop and powers off..
18:37
<vagrantc>
wow. using vmvga the screen resolution skyrockets
18:38
<muppis>
Didn't know that?
18:38
<vagrantc>
also the mouse pointer doesn't wwork very well..
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<vagrantc>
might just be libvirt that's making the mouse pointer crazy with -vga vmware
19:00
<alkisg>
I think it worked fine here when I tried it...
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19:12
<mcfloppy>
hello
19:13
<alkisg>
Hi
19:14
<mcfloppy>
i have installed a new ltsp server based on a debian
19:15
when i boot the clients (fat clients) they run in the ltsp dir as root
19:16
but this is read only...
19:16
<vagrantc>
"they run" ?
19:16
mcfloppy: what's your question?
19:16
mcfloppy: or what are you trying to do?
19:17
<mcfloppy>
what must i do to get a runing system with write permission to /home and so on
19:18
on my old ltsp system i boot the clients as thin clients and so the serverroot was the root from the thin clients, cause the x-client was on the server os
19:18
<vagrantc>
what version of debian?
19:18
<mcfloppy>
current stable
19:18
squeeze
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19:19
<vagrantc>
your lts.conf contains LTSP_FATCLIENT=True?
19:20
by default, it should make /home a writeable dir, and on login, each user will mount their home dir on the server over sshfs.
19:20
<mcfloppy>
okay i retry it
19:21
<vagrantc>
although that's only if LDM is showing up, if GDM or KDM or XDM are starting, you'll need to disable those.
19:21
<mcfloppy>
i have tried both: true and false, but now it was on false
19:21
i want kdm or gdm
19:23
<vagrantc>
KDM and GDM do not support LTSP fatclients.
19:24
LDM handles the mounting of homedirs, creating the local user account, authentication, etc.
19:24
<mcfloppy>
oh okay... no i have understand
19:25
s/no/now
19:26
<vagrantc>
it's technically possible to use KDM or GDM for a fatclient like setup, you just have to manually configure a *lot* of things.
19:27
<mcfloppy>
ok.. but i can use kde or gnome?
19:28
<vagrantc>
of course
19:28
any desktop environment you want
19:29
<mcfloppy>
i try it on a real client... virtualbox shows no x server
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19:33
<mcfloppy>
the boottime is extremely long
19:34
<vagrantc>
what sort of hardware are you using?
19:35
<mcfloppy>
now there is a message: INFO: task khubd:228 blocked for more than 120 seconds
19:36
vagrantc: i use D945GSEJT boards from intel
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<vagrantc>
mcfloppy: that's a bit too specific :P what sort of networking hardware, what sort of processor, how much ram?
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19:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: mostly planning on stripping out the zenity stuff today, or did you have more plans?
19:39
<mcfloppy>
Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz, 1GB Ram, IntelMobile Chipset 945GSE
19:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: zenity only
19:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it's pretty much working far as i can tell.
19:40
alkisg: though broadcasts seem to stop working after logging out
19:41
<alkisg>
Cool. Ah, I'll look into that
19:41
<vagrantc>
i.e. they work before login, they work during login, but don't work after logout
19:41
reboot fixes
19:42
<mcfloppy>
vagrantc: the boot is still in progress..... i see some messages with "read only filesystem"
19:43
no i see a loginmanager with the KDE K in the upper middle... so this is kdm?
19:44
<vagrantc>
doesn't sound like LDM...
19:45
mcfloppy: though the "blocked for more than 120 seconds" issues are pretty bad news.
19:47
<mcfloppy>
here is everything strange... so i see the blinking cursor on the username field... when i move th mouse it stops flashing for some seconds and the mouse doesnt move
19:48
keyboard inputs are also not taken
19:50
<vagrantc>
mcfloppy: could you paste the output of ltsp-info to a pastebin?
19:50
!pastebin
19:50
<ltsp>
vagrantc: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<mcfloppy>
vagrantc: is there a local logfile on the server? on the client i cant log on
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<vagrantc>
mcfloppy: could you run ltsp-info on the server and paste to the pastebin?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: hrm. my gpg signing key expired today ... i can re-up the sign, but might not be able to upload today.
21:03
<alkisg>
vagrantc: that's actually good news for us, it'll give us more time for a good upload on wednesday, if you have time then :)
21:03
We'll only have the zenity thing + translations
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<vagrantc>
only.
21:06
<alkisg>
:)
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