IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 February 2014   (all times are UTC)

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01:06
<ageis>
mine
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06:11
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: i've half though of uploading ltsp to just fix the symlink stuff
06:12
work_alkisg: with the patches in my packaging branch ... ugly though they may be
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08:46
<gdi2k__>
alkisg, I already have that, but I want to give the user a choice about which server to boot to during the boot process, giving us a degree of redundancy. Everyone running off a single server is giving me sleepless nights. With iPXE I could automatically fail over to the second server if the first fails, plus a lot of other nice things (like send client to lowest loaded server).
08:48
<alkisg>
gdi2k__: yeah dhcp does that too
08:48
No need for ipxe
08:48
<gdi2k__>
that would be ideal
08:49
<alkisg>
There's even dhcp failover if needed, but since it's just 1 command away, I don't bother with it
08:49
<gdi2k__>
any docs for that? I can't see how it would be done with dhcp
08:49
<alkisg>
pxe menus are really easy to set up
08:49
How do you currently decide the server with the lower load?
08:50
<gdi2k__>
I don't yet
08:50
my set up is like this:
08:50
<alkisg>
Anyways, there are several ways to do it, either with dnsmasq dhcp scripts or with pxelinux scripting
08:50
<gdi2k__>
I have two firewalls (failover with CARP) which runs DHCP - it sends the clients to the LTSP server to boot. What I would like is for it to send to two LTSP servers, unless one is down
08:51
in a round robin or similar fashion
08:51
static allocation by MAC would be fine too
08:52
<alkisg>
That's very easy, you just put that in your dhcp configuration
08:52
Specify tftp server (next-server) based on MAC...
08:53
<gdi2k__>
but if one server is down, how would it tell clients to use the other?
08:53
<alkisg>
Then static allocation isn't fine
08:53
That's when you need dnsmasq dhcp scripts or pxelinux scripting
08:54
You can also have proxydhcp instead
08:54
So that if a proxy is down, the other would answer...
08:54
<gdi2k__>
static in terms of "server 1 is priority for PC1 - 10, server 2 is priority for the rest, but both should fail over to one another"
08:55
<alkisg>
!proxydhcp
08:55
<ltsp>
proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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08:58
<alkisg>
With 2 proxydhcp servers and a real dhcp server and 2 PXE menus to allow the users to "force select" a specific server I think you're fine
08:58
<gdi2k__>
"Adjusting pxelinux.cfg/default for Ubuntu 8.04 - 9.10" is that still applicable to to 12.04
08:58
yes, that sounds like a plan - just starting to get my head around it...
08:59
<alkisg>
(10:58:39 πμ) gdi2k__: "Adjusting pxelinux.cfg/default for Ubuntu 8.04 - 9.10" is that still applicable to to 12.04 => read 2 paragraphs below that where it says about 12.04
08:59
<gdi2k__>
ah ok
09:00
<alkisg>
It's been many years since I've written that page and many people have modified it so I don't know if it's still valid
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09:08
<gdi2k__>
alkisg, so on the main DHCP server, what is the config? No boot info is given out by it? How do the clients know where to find ProxyDHCP - I'm missing something in the logic
09:08
<alkisg>
dhcp requests are broadcasted
09:09
So all proxydhcp servers reply
09:09
<gdi2k__>
ah - so they get the lease from DHCP and the other bits from proxydhcp
09:09
<alkisg>
Yup
09:09
<gdi2k__>
nice
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<gdi2k__>
alkisg, it's nearly working, but it's getting stuck at the point at which the root fs is supposed to be mounted I think: http://i.imgur.com/6BpxBTL.jpg (sorry about the quality - should be just about discernible)
10:38
this is booting with dnsmasq
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10:44
<giannis>
Αλκη, έχω ένα πρόβλημα μετά τη δημοσίευση εικονικού δίσκου 3 ltsp clients δεν ανοίγουν, αλλά βγάζουν BuzyBox v. 1.18.5
10:47
<klausade>
giannis: συγνώμη, αλλά δεν καταλαβαίνω english please.
10:49
<alkisg>
!greek | echo giannis:
10:49
<ltsp>
giannis: greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
10:50
<gdi2k__>
alkisg, at the end it gives "error socket failed" - nbd seems to be the issue
10:51
<alkisg>
gdi2k__: eth0 configured at...
10:51
The first entry there is the client IP address, the second is the server
10:51
Is that the correct IP for the nbd server?
10:52
<gdi2k__>
alkisg, no, the second is actually the DHCP server
10:52
the third is the gateway
10:52
<alkisg>
So the problem isn't nbd, but dhcp
10:52
<gdi2k__>
ok
10:53
<alkisg>
(or ipappend...)
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10:54
<gdi2k__>
so most likely something is wrong with my /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf ?
10:56
I'm a bit lost on the logic here - at that point in the boot, it is requesting a DHCP lease, which the DHCP server is giving - why would it give the IP of the LTSP server?
11:01
<alkisg>
At that point *proxydhcp* requests are not considered at all
11:01
That's why you need ipappend 3
11:01
Read the wiki page again
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<gdi2k__>
alkisg, ok thank you! :) the issue was that I followed the instruction under "Adjusting pxelinux.cfg/default for Ubuntu 12.04" - it adds ipappend 3 to the end of the file, but the last item in the menu is memtest, not pxelinux, so ipappend 3 is added to the wrong item. After fixing that, it works :) - now I just have to add menu items
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14:48
<matthias_arch>
Hi, i've successfully set up a ubuntu ltsp install with fat clients, now i've installed a application for the clients in their image which needs sudo/root rights to be run. For example apache or any other. What is the best way to do this?
14:58
<workingcats>
matthias_arch, then you need to give the users local root
14:58
erm how does this bot work
14:58
!localroot
14:58
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'localroot', but I do know about these similar topics: 'local-boot'
14:58
<workingcats>
!root
14:58
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'root', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-chroot'
14:58
<workingcats>
hrm
14:59
if its ok to have just one local root pw across all clients then this is sufficient: http://bootpolish.net/pageloader.pl?page=home_ltsp_ltspclientrootpassword
14:59
matthias_arch, ^
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<gdi2k__>
matthias_arch, did you see the above messages from workingcats? looks like you may have reconnected
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<matthias_arch>
Yes thanks, you mean do passwd when i chrooted in the client image, isn't that insecure?
15:07
<workingcats>
well it depends on what you want
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<matthias_arch>
workingcats: i want to let the user start apache2 and a programm which uses the usb/com port
15:26
<workingcats>
no i mean depends on what you're securing against
15:27
does it matter if user A can start apache on user B's fat client?
15:27
does it matter if users can get full access to their local machine, if they chose to dig?
15:31
<matthias_arch>
workingcats: a little bit because the network is for an it class at high school
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15:31
<matthias_arch>
I found something about the sudoers file
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15:33
<DannyCan>
Hello is it possible to setup a dual server LTSP cluster in a high availability configuration where if one server goes down there is a seamless transition? I'm using Ubuntu 13.10 with Xubuntu fat clients.
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16:16
<workingcats>
DannyCan, with fat clients it should be possible i think. you'll just need hot failover for everything critical
16:17
"just"
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19:58
<DannyCan>
workingcats hot fail-over is exactly what I need however I'm unable to locate any documentation about it, is this supported by LTSP?
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20:08
<DannyCan>
alkisg are you familiar with a hot failover LTSP configuration?
20:09
<alkisg>
DannyCan: you can do that for dns, dhcp, even for /home, but not for running applications (sessions)
20:09
So it can only work after logoff/login
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<DannyCan>
Does anyone know how to setup NBD/SSHAuth failover for fat clients?
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20:50
<||cw>
DannyCan: ndb should be the same as for thin
20:50
ssh probably is too
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<Guest26825>
has anyone here ever set up ltsp to work with a wyse v50 ?
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