IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 18 April 2013   (all times are UTC)

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05:11
<Enslaver>
vagrantc, what would you recommend above the raspi?
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05:24
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: i'm eyeing up the ones from cubieboard.org
05:27
<Enslaver>
they come with hdmi out?
05:30
<vagrantc>
HDMI 1080p Output
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07:23
<dyllan>
Hi all. I am trying to change the ldm theme for ltsp, I have found this tut - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange - its specific to ubuntu 8.04 but i thought id see if the same principles apply, unfortunately its not working. Is there a newer tut I can follow to change the ldm theme for ltsp?
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07:29
<ltspuser_22>
Hi folks. Am currently experiencing problems with logging in to ltsp TC, none of the support threads I have found have helped. Is anyone able to offer advice?
07:32
<work_alkisg>
ltspuser_22: type /j username to specify a username, and mention more details about the problem... did it work before? what errors do you get? etc
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07:39
<ltspuser_22>
ok. yes, it worked before, but an update was run this morning, and this has broken the installs. The updates complete, but then, at the login screen, it hangs with the timer animation.
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07:46
<alkisg>
ldevel: it hangs before or after you enter the username/password?
07:47
<dyllan>
not to worry I figured the ldm theme change out - thanks.
07:48
<ldevel>
alkisg: after - username/password entered, then enter. The screen goes into loading mode, but stays there.
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07:50
<alkisg>
ldevel: check if there's a successful authentication in the server's /var/log/auth.log
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07:58
<ldevel>
alkisg: cannot find the auth.log (ran locate, no return)
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07:58
<alkisg>
$ ls -l /var/log/auth.log
07:58
-rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 35380 Απρ 18 10:17 /var/log/auth.log
07:59
On the server
07:59
Which distribution are you using?
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08:01
<ldevel>
alkisg: server is CentOS 6.4 (TC's mixture of FC11 and K12OS. 'No such file or directory'
08:02
<alkisg>
Ah ok no idea there
08:02
Wait for someone else
08:02
<ldevel>
alkisg: thanks for your help
08:06
<dyllan>
Is the greeter.gtkrc file the correct place to modify the default cursor for the ldm theme ?
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08:15
<vnc786>
on Fat client(ubuntu 12.04 64 bit) printing stop in libreoffice. I know it's LO issue but i have already tried asking in libre forum but still didnt got responses and i have tried on locally install ubuntu but not able to reproduce the error or didnt got problem till now any help on this facing issue for last 2 month...any help ??
08:16
<meamy>
vnc786: so printing works (for example with gedit)?
08:17
<vnc786>
yes with other documents like pdf, image etc works
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08:19
<meamy>
vnc786: did you see the right printer if you try to print with libre?
08:20
vnc786: and did libre maybe run ass a remote app?
08:20
<vnc786>
meamy: if u would please look at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/280626/printer-setting-changes-to-generic-printer
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08:24
<vnc786>
meamy: i dont know abt remote app but i have tried to modify the source file from where LO takes printer settings with help of this http://askubuntu.com/questions/191524/set-default-printer-settings-libreoffice
08:25
<ltspuser_53>
Hi, Can anybody help me with with print to the printer installed on client? (Ubuntu 12.04, HP P1102)
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08:26
<alkisg>
vnc786: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1020048
08:26
To work around it, you increase the timeout in cups.conf, read the report there
08:26
<meamy>
vnc786: mm scince a FAT client pretty much acts like a normal ubuntu desktop I dont see the realtion to ltsp, beside that its it could be a network problem (if the CUPS server is not reachable libre will not see him). As fare as i know libre office use the system default printer
08:27
<alkisg>
The problem is that the cups server (which is remote in fat clients) considers inactive the connections after 5 minutes,
08:27
and libreoffice then gets connection errors
08:27
The fix will come in a future libreoffice version, they'll support reconnections
08:27
The workaround is to increase the timeout in cups
08:28
<meamy>
alkisg: Oh good to know did not stumble over that problem yet thanks for the info
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08:32
<dyllan>
gents what is the name for the spinning 'wheel' like cursor used in ubuntu ltsp, anybody know?
08:35
<meamy>
spinning wheel sound good to me :D
08:38
<dyllan>
ha ha right :P
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12:08* lupine notes ltsp has an nbd-proxy module. is this maintained at all?
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13:29
<cliebow>
Hey All!
13:30
!seen jammcq
13:30
<ltsp>
jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:30
<cliebow>
!seen sbalneav
13:30
<ltsp>
sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 23 hours, 50 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Still winter :(
13:30
<jammcq>
cliebow: HEY
13:30
<cliebow>
HiHO! Jim!
13:30
WHaats new?
13:31
<jammcq>
umm.... BTS-2013 how about Oct 24-27 ?
13:31
<cliebow>
Sounds good to me!!~
13:31
<jammcq>
it's either that or Oct 31-Nov 3
13:31
but i'm in favor of the 24th
13:31
<cliebow>
Hows that fit with UBS?
13:32
<jammcq>
no more UDS's
13:32
<cliebow>
Wow..I am way behind
13:32
<jammcq>
they have gone virtual with the UDS
13:32
<cliebow>
i m guessing 13.04 is about to come out?
13:33
<jammcq>
umm, 1 week from today I think
13:34
just in time, I finally got 12.04 to behave the way I want it
13:34
<cliebow>
I am getting "Accountant's Personality"..Boring!.All i do is fix broken screens
13:34
heheh
13:35
but resurrected an old server running 7.10 and have a little time to experiment
13:35
Did you catch Scotty yesterdya?
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13:37
<jammcq>
umm, he was here
13:38
<cliebow>
alkisg: How goes it?
13:38
<alkisg>
Hey cliebow, hi guys
13:38
<cliebow>
!!
13:38
<ltsp>
!: Are you frustrated?
13:39
<cliebow>
oops
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14:27
<dyllan>
what are the desktop options for building a fat-client image, id like xubuntu but it doesnt look like its an option?
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14:30
<dyllan>
xubuntu-desktop i think :)
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<alkisg>
dyllan: distro/version?
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15:18
<dyllan>
alkisg, sorted it out thanks boss.
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<ball>
join #xorg
15:25
oops :-)
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<sbalneav>
cliebow: Hey ho!
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<cliebow_>
x
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<vagrantc>
aww.
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:16
<sbalneav>
jammcq: hey ho!
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<cliebow_>
Scotty!!!!!!!!!
17:21
hows winter trweating you?
17:34
<ogra_>
what winter ?
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18:26
<jammcq>
ogra_: no winter in germany ?
18:27
<ogra_>
we went straight to summer mid last week ... from snow to t-shirt weather
18:27
<muppis>
How come when it's over even here in Finland. :)
18:27
<vagrantc>
we had a summery week a few weeks back, now it's clearly spring again
18:28
<ogra_>
yeah, its supposed to get colder the next days again here as well ...
18:28
but i could have gotten a tan if wanted this week
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18:44
<lykwydchykyn>
Is there a way to blacklist or un-blacklist drivers on clients from lts.conf?
18:46
<vagrantc>
no, but could write a hook in init-ltsp.d that might be early enough, if the initramfs doesn't load the module.
18:46
<alkisg>
And it would be useful upstream, I remember wanting to do that a couple of times...
18:47
<lykwydchykyn>
I think in my case the problem starts in the initramfs
18:47
NIC driver
18:47
<vagrantc>
that you'll pretty much have to handle manually
18:48
<lykwydchykyn>
Do I need to do separate boot images?
18:48
<alkisg>
break=top would help in troubleshooting it
18:48
If you manually find what's needed, then we can advice on how to automate it...
18:48
<lykwydchykyn>
break=top?
18:49
<alkisg>
!pxelinux.cfg
18:49
<ltsp>
Error: "pxelinux.cfg" is not a valid command.
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18:49
<alkisg>
...in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
18:49
You'll get an initramfs prompt before udev loads drivers
18:50
<lykwydchykyn>
Ah ok
18:51
<alkisg>
(you can manually blacklist things there,for testing)
18:53
<lykwydchykyn>
Well basically I have clients with two different models of realtek nic
18:53
They both use r8169 by default, but WOL is broken in r8169
18:54
If I install r8168, the one client works fine with WOL, but the other one doesn't work at all (no network, no NBD, no OS)
18:54
<alkisg>
I think this also works, in pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address: modulename.disabled=1 => it throws an error with something about "I don't know the option 'disabled'" and it doesn't load it :D
18:54
<vagrantc>
clever...
18:54
<jammcq>
sneaky
18:55
<lykwydchykyn>
That might work...
18:56
<alkisg>
Ah, I don't know if it'll fall back to the next module though. If it doesn't, and you don't want to mess with the pciid maps, you might want to just have 2 initramfs'es
19:01
ogra_: have you tried any nexus 7 phone? I'm thinking of buying LG NEXUS 4 E960 8GB (quad core 1.5 GHz), will Ubuntu on that be as fast as e.g. my 5 year old dual core laptop? With libreoffice, nbd server for ltsp server etc etc? :)
19:02
<ogra_>
there are no nexus7 phones :)
19:02* alkisg is looking forward to the day when he'll use a mobile phone as a server to demo LTSP in a classroom
19:02
<alkisg>
Sorry, nexus 5
19:02
4.7 inch, I think...
19:02
<ogra_>
but yeah, i have both, a nexus7 tablet and a nexus4 phone
19:03
<alkisg>
Would it be fast enough for me to vnc to it and use "real" apps on it?
19:03
<ogra_>
the n4 is an awesome phone .... kicks easily the iphones butt ...but its cheap and you get what you pay for ... the glass case is really really fragile
19:03
especially the back
19:04
<lykwydchykyn>
the modulename.disabled thing didn't do it; not sure if I'm doing it right. If I want to block the r8168 I'd put "r8168.disabled=1" in that file, right?
19:04
<ogra_>
its a quad core 1.5GHz device with 2G ram ...
19:05
so yeah, definitely enough to run LibreOffice and friends
19:05
<alkisg>
lykwydchykyn: you'd first copy pxelinux.cfg/default to 01-mac-address (lower case, separated with -)
19:05
And then change the kernel command line inside that
19:05
<ogra_>
dont forget that your diskspace is limited and unextendable though
19:05
<lykwydchykyn>
Ah ok; I had it on a line by itself. Sorry I'm a bit dense today
19:05
<ogra_>
no SD slot or anything ... and the USB cant run in host mode
19:06
<alkisg>
Ouch
19:06
So only sshfs, nfs etc
19:06
<ogra_>
right
19:06
which size did you order ?
19:07
<alkisg>
I didn't yet; I'm waiting to see when the hardware is good enough for running an ltsp server on it :D
19:07
The one I was looking at was 4.7", 369€
19:08
ogra_: is it possible to dual boot android + ubuntu from the same internal storage?
19:09
Have e.g. 1 Gb for Android, and 7 for Ubuntu?
19:10
<ogra_>
probably with hacking, yeah
19:10
there are tools for that on the xda forum
19:11
though note that ubuntu doesnt really care for such a usecase ... some update might just overwrite your dual boot setup
19:11
<alkisg>
Ah
19:11
<||cw>
normally you do android on the internal flash and ubuntu on an sd
19:13
<alkisg>
The lack of SD slot would make that difficult though... :-/
19:13
<||cw>
true
19:13
missed that
19:14
wait, nexus's don't have microsd?
19:15
<lykwydchykyn>
apparently break=top prevents my keyboard drivers from loading :(
19:15
<ogra_>
nope
19:15
<alkisg>
That's what ogra_ and google are saying, at least for nexus 4...
19:15
<ogra_>
they come with free google drive space though
19:16
google wants to push you into theiuur cloud indeed :)
19:16
<alkisg>
lykwydchykyn: usb keyboard? try ps/2...
19:17
<lykwydchykyn>
would if i could; there's no ps/2 on this box
19:17
<||cw>
huh
19:17
I've got a toshia thrive, it's kind of a tank as far as tablets go, but it rocks in features
19:18
tegra2, full SD card, full HDMI, usb host port...
19:19
and pretty cheap as refurbs
19:19
<alkisg>
lykwydchykyn: try break=premount
19:19
<lykwydchykyn>
Is there a command to just rebuild the initramfs or do I have to do a complete client rebuild?
19:20
<alkisg>
update-initramfs -u in the chroot
19:20
and ltsp-update-kernes
19:20
ls
19:20
<lykwydchykyn>
excellent; thanks
19:21
<alkisg>
It's a tablet though, not a phone...
19:25
<||cw>
true.
19:25
i'm really happy with my S3 phone, but I don't know if there's an ubunut port for it, I haven't looked
19:28
<ogra_>
not a working one
19:28
<alkisg>
ogra_, highvoltage, stgraber, mgariepy: have you tried the ubuntu image for zatab? http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/ => ubuntu-desktop-12.04-1-miniand.com.img.tar.gz
19:28
<ogra_>
(if you talk about ubuntu touch)
19:28
i havent booted my zatab in months
19:29
i looked into porting ubuntu touch to it ... but it isnt supporting cyanogenmod 10.1 yet so there is forward porting of android involved first
19:30
<alkisg>
I got very big lags with the 2-3 android roms I tried from the zareason site, making it almost unusable... I'd much prefer it with ubuntu, if the image there actually boots
19:31
(the stock rom had those lags too, they seem like it's having... disk reading problems?!)
19:31
<ogra_>
its crap hardware
19:31
<alkisg>
Freezes for 30 seconds, resumes for a few minutes, then freezes again...
19:32
<ogra_>
single core 800MHz A10 SoC iirc
19:33
<vagrantc>
should make a decent thin client... :P
19:33
<ogra_>
yeah
19:34
surely would ... and A10 boards are cheaper than RPi if you order them in china
19:34
<vagrantc>
i managed to get an openpandora to boot to LTSP as part of a talk the other day :)
19:34
ogra_: you looked at cubieboard at all?
19:35
<ogra_>
only at the specs once, its nice
19:35
<vagrantc>
seems like those might make good thin clients, or maybe even ok fat clients
19:35
<ogra_>
(for the price)
19:35
<vagrantc>
right
19:36* vagrantc plans on picking up a cubieboard soonish
19:36
<ogra_>
ubuntu is all about nexus devices nowadays ... no more boards for me
19:36
(unless i would work on arm server ... which would mean 200 CPUs but no X :) )
19:37
<vagrantc>
sounds like a deal!
19:37
<ogra_>
hehe
19:39
<highvoltage>
alkisg: ooh, I didn't realise there was one. thanks a lot!
19:40
<alkisg>
highvoltage: if you try it and get it to boot, please ping me! :)
19:40
<highvoltage>
alkisg: will do, I'm around 1500km from mine atm but will do in around a week :)
19:41
<alkisg>
Cool
19:47
<lykwydchykyn>
I think I just might have this working
19:48
I had to un-blacklist r8169 on the client, then I just blacklist either it or r8168 as needed on the kernel boot line
19:48
thanks alkisg
19:48
<alkisg>
Cool
19:49
<lykwydchykyn>
Still wish WOL was fixed in r8169, but we have to wait on the kernel guys for that I guess.
19:54
<alkisg>
Someone mentioned for broadcom that he needed to ifdown the device before poweroff, for wol to wor
19:54
k
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<lykwydchykyn>
hrm
19:59
Didn't work for me
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<kev_j>
if there are two lts.conf files (such as one in the chroot and one in the var/lib/tftpboot/*arch*/) and they have separate options (server=1.2.3.4 in one and ssh_override_port=1234 in the other) would it use both or just one?
21:18
also, this is for the raspberry pi when using vagrantc's raspbian setup.... I don't know if it would make a difference or not, but just in case
21:19
oh.. and if not, then which would it use?
21:21
<vagrantc>
it will attempt to download an lts.conf from the tftp dir, if it finds it, it'll use that one.
21:21
but, depending on how you configured dhcp, it may try the wrong tftp file
21:21
i.e. it might try tftp://server/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, for example
21:22
if you're just using NFS, i think it's easier to simply use the one in /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/lts.conf
21:22
<kev_j>
really? I have had a few issues with that actually (I think)..
21:22
I am using nbd
21:23
and I have the lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/arch/ sym-linked to /srv/tftpboot/ltsp/arch/
21:24
and I deleted the one in the chroot
21:24
<vagrantc>
depending on your tftp server, it may not support symlinks
21:24
<kev_j>
yeah, I'm pretty sure it doesn't now that you mention it
21:24
so I should just leave the one in the /var/lib/ location?
21:24
<vagrantc>
in general, i prefer dnsmasq, and "ltsp-config dnsmasq" makes it fairly easy to set up
21:25
it can handle both dhcp and tftp pretty nicely.
21:25
<kev_j>
I use isc-dhcp-server because it's what I started with
21:26
<vagrantc>
sure, and if you're booting a lot of clients, isc-dhcp-server handles things a bit better
21:26
<kev_j>
and dnsmasq got in the way of a bind port a few times and I am/was too inexeperienced to fix it
21:27
so should I skip putting it on the rpi? (not in the chroot) or do I need it to tell it where to connect to?
21:28
<vagrantc>
sorry, i won't have much time till the weekend
21:29
seems like partial documentation is almost worse than no documentation :(
21:29
<kev_j>
heh, sorry, I actually figured out a lot of it, I think this is more my curiousity on ltsp in general
21:30
like I don't really know how it handles the lts.conf files very well and am just trying to understand it a little better
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