IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 September 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
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<ratha>
hi to all, i am having server on pentium duo,is it possible to make client of AMD64?
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<cyberorg>
ratha, yes
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<ratha>
cyberorg,in client is it possible to add bootsplash?
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<cyberorg>
ratha, it is already added by default on ubuntu and suse
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<ratha>
cyberorg, i am using debian lenny
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<DawnLight>
hello. i have sound working in a client when i log in to it as root in cl. now i'd like to know how to make the user's programs/desktop to make sound. and i'd like the user's mixer application to control the thin client's card. currently it detects no card. the user is in the fuse and the audio groups. this is kubuntu hardy
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<sep>
7jion
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<nubae>
Q-FUNK: got the thincan... thanks...
09:03
<Q-FUNK>
nubae: welcome!
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<nubae>
let's hope the ministry bites...
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<Q-FUNK>
;)
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<Gadi>
!j
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<ltspbot`>
Gadi: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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<Gadi>
jammcq: !!
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<pscheie>
hey jammcq
13:26
I see the page for BTS 2008 is up
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<Lns>
So I heard a while back that ltspinfo & friends were going to eventually make it into LTSP5 - is that still in progress at all?
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<johnny>
ltspinfo ?
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i'v e never even heard of that :)
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<Lns>
johnny: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspInfo
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I remember seeing it before in 4.2...but it didn't get merged w/5. Very neat shell-based app to control thin clients
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<johnny>
hmm.. seems like it shoudl be done over ssh..
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i guess that's the hard part to manage
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<Lns>
johnny: err, and ltspcfg too
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johnny: http://www.estrellateyarde.es/photos/ltspcfg1_thumb.jpg
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<johnny>
now that hal and dbus are inside, i bet we can use that somehow
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that isn't a good idea imo
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<Lns>
johnny: totally. It seems like such a cool tool
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<johnny>
that takes over the functionality of existing tools
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like the distro tools themselves
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<Lns>
johnny: well i'm sure some things are obsolete now
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but it can be expanded to many other things
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<johnny>
it probably shouldn't be done in an ltsp specify way tho
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<Lns>
think about remotely shutting down thin-clients, starting/killing processes, things you need to do on the thin-client TTY..
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(meaning IN ADDITION to things you need to do on the TC TTY)
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<johnny>
didn't ogra start on some gtk gui
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for something or other?
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<Lns>
johnny: yeah, that was T-C-M I believe, which is not being developed anymore in favor of italc.. ?
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<johnny>
no
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it was something else
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i can't recall now tho
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<Lns>
johnny: you mean the thing to build the chroot, set up lts.conf, etc?
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<johnny>
Lns, i think i'd personally be in favor of using avahi to expose the functions on the client .. sadly tho.. that would miss the necessary authentication
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now.. i guess if you can connect the local dbus and hal to the remote one..
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then you could access it via the ssh tunnel already
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<Lns>
johnny: It looks like italc does a lot of this already, but it would be cool to have an ltsp-specific tool to do other things as well, and from the shell. /me <3 shell tools
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<johnny>
well it wouldn't have to be ltsp specific
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if we found a way to tie the two dbus's together
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and consolekit
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<Lns>
there ya go
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<Gadi>
Lns: ltspinfo itself is a big security hole and was not ported to ltsp5 for that reason
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<Lns>
Gadi: really? What was bad about security on it? (i really have no clue)
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<Gadi>
there was no security on it
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<Lns>
:p
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<Gadi>
any user could type: ltspinfo -h <host> -s
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<Lns>
pw-less root login, etc?
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<Gadi>
and shut down a client
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<Lns>
nice
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<Gadi>
if you want something similar
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use sshd in chroot
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exchange a key
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and script things that way
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<Lns>
Gadi: That's a great idea, coincidentally I *just* started writing a script to do that very same thing, but on an array of LTSP servers on a network
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it'd be simple to port to use w/thin-clients (sshd enabled chroot)
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<Lns>
Not that I'm any kind of experienced shell scripter, but I do know how to do *some* basic stuff
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<johnny>
Gadi, but if the local system dbus could connect to the remote by the alraedy existing tunnel..
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<Gadi>
yeah - there are security questions that way, too, but at least it is better
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prolly not something that will be canned in ltsp
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<johnny>
then the shutdown button would actually work :)
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<Gadi>
johnny: that would work if the user logged in wants to shut down the client
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but not if root wants to shut it down
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say, at 3AM
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<johnny>
well root would see all the console-kit sessions right?
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if these actions were tied to those sessions as seats
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then you could
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<Lns>
Is there an lts.conf variable to turn of system beep on TCs?
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<johnny>
no..
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just delete the pcspkr module
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<Lns>
ok
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<Lns>
Has anyone had the issue of users crashing in OpenOffice.org and not being able to re-launch, with no OOffice processes running and removing their ~/.openoffice2.org config dirs?
15:22
erp...maybe this is better in #edubuntu
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<DawnLight>
how can i get the mixer working?
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<petre>
evening all
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<alexferrara>
Hello there.. I was wondering if anyone has seen nbd getting a signal 9 just after a "Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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<jammcq>
hey guys
22:32* vagrantc waves
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<vagrantc>
is http://ltsp.org sorted out?
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<jammcq>
can anyone see me?
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<kwak>
nk
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hi, my students are having problem with usb drives. When they plug the USB, the folder shows up, but is empty. what could be the reason.
23:15
i verified that it's not empty by using a windows computer/
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<vagrantc>
!question
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distr and release you're using :)
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<vagrantc>
ah. already had that one.
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ltspbot`: forget release
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: learn release as please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
kwak: got that ^^ ?
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<kwak>
yes got that. i
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i'm using K12LTSP EL5 centos based, ltsp 4.X
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i found the coz, but don't know how to fix it. my LTSP server is joined to a domain using Likewise Open. so when the users login, they type "domain\username" for username
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when i log in using accounts created on the LTSP server, i can see the contents of the USB drive. any solutions why?
23:34* vagrantc isn't familiar with ltsp 4.x
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<vagrantc>
localdev stuff changed a fair amount since then
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<johnny>
kwak, ltsp4 has too many serious security holes to be used in production from my understanding
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and the number of people familiar with it, is dropping rapidly
23:39* vagrantc is starting to loose the details of the improved Xsession handling for ldm ...
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<johnny>
improved?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: so that when you select the non-default session, it actually still uses Xsession
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<johnny>
so that the stuff in Xsession.d/ runs?
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or whatever
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<vagrantc>
yes
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<johnny>
gentoo's xorg could use a serious upgrade in configuration..
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<vagrantc>
i think the hard part was the getting it to pick up values from the rc.d walking ...
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<johnny>
ours requires xdm to actually do anything..
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maybe they are just imagining that all the rest are becoming obsolete :)
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which is suppose is true..
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on my desktop, the only thing i have in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/ is dbus