IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 April 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<generic>
hi all
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i want to do ltsp on ubuntu
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any good how to also does that support printers and local devices
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<johnny>
it should just work
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if it doesn't , then try hardy :) it's coming out on thursday after all :)
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<generic>
what u mean coming out
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do ubuntu built in ltsp wont support printing?
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<jonkke>
it should work fine
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<generic>
ok
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hey i want to have 2 ltsp servers with HA and DRBD to replicate users data between 2 servers
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any idea or good howto
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<ogra>
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<ogra>
use the second link
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<generic>
hey guys is there any difference in ubuntu or kubuntu
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which is better
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guys
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<generic>
guys any idea
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how i make 2 parallel ltsp servers
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do i need to do heartbeat n drbd
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for that
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or wjat
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<johnny>
you might wanna come back in a few hours
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with that question
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<vlt>
generic: ubuntu and kubuntu are abs(the same). The onyl difference I know is the desktop environment *that is installed by default*. You can easily turn every ubuntu installation into kubuntu (and vice versa -- or even both ;)
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<generic>
vlt thats true but if i go for ltsp implementation on large scale say 100 pcs then ubuntu is stable or kubuntu
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and also i want 2 ltsp servers for failover
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<johnny>
i think ubuntu proper gets more attention
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desktop wise
02:12* johnny sees it's 3am
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<johnny>
night
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<generic>
yes exactly
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well ubuntu updates quickly ?
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<vlt>
generic: updates what? security fixes? kubuntu uses mostly the same packages.
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<generic>
well the X packages
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hey guys currently what version of ltsp is coming with ubuntu
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<vlt>
generic: {,x,k,edu}ubuntu are using the very same X packages.
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<vlt>
generic: The ubuntu version is called 5.0.39 (on gutsy)
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<ogra>
only for two more days :)
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<nantes_geek>
in a pxelinux.cfg/default can you say the module you wan't use with nic= ?
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<sep>
nantes_geek, you can use the same kernel boot arguments as normal yes
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<nantes_geek>
sep: ok many thanks
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<irishbitte>
can anyone give me some help, i'm trying to boot some new fujitsu siemens pc's as thin clients for a demo
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so far as I know, the NIC is an integrated Intel 82556DM chip
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<irishbitte>
when I pxe boot machines from server, I get a kernel panic, tried to kill initd message
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<irishbitte>
apologies folks, didn't mean to disappear there!
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<nantes_geek>
irishbitte: you can specify the network card module with a NIC= at the end of your initrd append into pxelinux.cfg/default
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<irishbitte>
nantes, can you give me a little more detail?
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specifically, the NIC driver I have is e1000.ko, can this be specified with path or how?
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ok nantes, that worked, now i'm getting something like: ERROR! dhcpcd failed!
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<irishbitte>
exit
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<generic>
guys any one works on UbuntuEdgyClusters for ltsp
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?
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<laga>
generic: Edgy is a bit old, so i guess no ;)
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<generic>
ok
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what abt gutsy
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<ghaleb>
hello, have anybody encountered a problem with Cisco managed switches with LTSP ?
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<ghaleb>
I have a problem in booting clients using cisco switches due to spanning tree protocol, any explanation ?
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<nantes_geek>
ghaleb: it's between a 1gb and a 100mb ethernet network ?
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<ghaleb>
nantes_geek, all are in 100mb ethernet
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<nantes_geek>
ok
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<ghaleb>
nantes_geek, the strange thing, after I shutdown the protocol, everything run very good normally
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<nantes_geek>
ghaleb: the spamming tree is a bridge protocol no ?
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<ghaleb>
nantes_geek, it prevents loops
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nantes_geek, I think, the protocol drops some packets .. trying to act smart!
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<nantes_geek>
re-hi, what version of xorg is in the ltsp 4.2 ?
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<Guaraldo>
nantes_geek: Xorg 6.9
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<nantes_geek>
Guaraldo: ok thanks
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<doggkatcha>
cyberorg, hi
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<MRH2>
Hi using 4.2 bootup stops at "input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0" - any ideas?
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<johnny>
only a few folks here use 4.2
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<johnny>
or any 4.x version
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so you're prolly gonna have to wait
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or post to the list
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<MRH2>
i'll checkout 5 in the meantime
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do the tarballs have to use nbd
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<johnny>
there are no tarballs for 5 are there?
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you're supposed to build it from your distro
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<MRH2>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#Ltsp_5_on_Other_distributions
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<johnny>
those are all too old
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i wouldn't use them
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<MRH2>
any new ones about?
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<johnny>
you're going to have bugs that nobody will fix
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no
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as i said, use your distro to build the chroot
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ltsp-build-client
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<MRH2>
centos
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<johnny>
if you want rpm, i think you hve to use fedora9 for now
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i'm not sure if it will be backported
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oh.. or kiwi-ltsp , which is for suse
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ubuntu/debian has the best ltsp5 support
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<MRH2>
i'm not a big fan
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<-ducks
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<johnny>
then you must wait i'm guessing
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until warren stabilizes ltsp5 on fedora9
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then i assume somebody can do backprots
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backports*
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<MRH2>
is there an rpm about for fedora I can try?
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<warren>
MRH2: it's in fedora 9
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<johnny>
rpms.. yes.. even instructions
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aha.. there you are :)
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howdy warren
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did i say something wrong?
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<MRH2>
oh in the distro itself
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i'll have a lookse
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<warren>
MRH2: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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<johnny>
warren, do you have one of those irc bot commands i can use?
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i forgot what the syntax is for this one
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<MRH2>
thanx i'll give it a look
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<johnny>
ltspbot: debian
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<ltspbot>
johnny: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<warren>
I have no idea how this IRC bot works.
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<johnny>
ltspbot:fedora
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ltspbot: fedora
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<ltspbot>
johnny: Error: "fedora" is not a valid command.
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<johnny>
warren, get vagrantc to tell you how to add fedora to that
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<MRH2>
do you guys thing there is going to be new tarballs out - especially seeing as there is a new ubuntu out this week?
11:24* sutula suggests opening a dialog window with ltspbot and experimenting there yourself
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<johnny>
no
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<MRH2>
fair enough
11:24* johnny ignores that
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<johnny>
ltsp-build-client is fast enough i think
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<johnny>
and it can be used from the cd possibly
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i imagine fedora will be able to do the same thing
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<warren>
yes, but not yet
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<johnny>
which is just as good as using it from the tarball
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better even
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<warren>
after I push this bug fix, the main drawback of fedora vs. ubuntu LTSP is the lack of coreboot support
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which I'm fixing next
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then there's a pile of minor annoyances
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<johnny>
coreboot ?
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<warren>
johnny: formerly known as linuxbios
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<johnny>
oh.. didnt know they changed the name
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good to know
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<warren>
oh unfun
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youtube crashed pulseaudio and ldmgtkgreet
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<johnny>
truly unfun
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i haven't tested sound yet
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need another boxen
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<ghaleb>
hello, thin clients are unable to boot up if they are connected to a cisco switch running spanning tree protocol, any explanation
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?
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<johnny>
no idea
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no cisco crap here
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<ghaleb>
I have tired many ... it seems that the spanning tree protocol drops sth
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<johnny>
better fix your router
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<ghaleb>
I see .. thank you, but, what router ?
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<johnny>
switch
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whatever
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<ghaleb>
yeah I see ..
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<warren>
I wish I could find a proper power supply for the thincan
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I can't be sure if the weird crashes I have are power related
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<ghaleb>
warren, what kind of crashes ?
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<warren>
well, I found a 12V @ 2A which is closer to what I need
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trying it now
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<ghaleb>
goodluck
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<cliebow>
Gadi!!!!
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got a sec?
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<cliebow>
i have an ldapserver/ltspserver sandobx in which getent passwd getent group id someuser all seem fine as well as all ldap tools..but su someuser or attempt to chown implies no such user..ive checked nsswqitch,conf and /etc/pam.d and see nothing wrong..any ideas?
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: I'm also seeing periodic complete system deadlocks on the thincan
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<Gadi>
cliebow: is the error no such user or that you are missing a homedir for that user?
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<cliebow>
unknown id
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cannot get the login group of a numeric UID
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\
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with chown
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trying to chown so perms for homedir are ok ;-]
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<Gadi>
ah, close the shell and open it again
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<cliebow>
ohh? give it a whirl 8~)
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<Gadi>
then, make sure that the UIDs returned by getent are proper
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also, it seems it may be your *group* that is wrong
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try a different group id
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or make sure the group is in getent group
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if the group has multiple words, remember to use quotes
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<cliebow>
ok..ill expt with that...thanks a heap..
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this is an slapcat duplicate of one running in redhat....
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hmmm.where the heck did she go??
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<warren>
Anyone else seeing ldm segfaults if you type the wrong password?
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hmm, thincan downloaded the kernel, decompressing, CRC error
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<laga>
i once got that when my RAM wasn't ok
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<warren>
I wonder if my power supplies are causing this
13:42* warren puts memtest86+ into pxe
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<warren>
Gadi: does memtest86+ successfully run on your thincans?
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well
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memtest86+ says my thincan has bad memory
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<Gadi>
lo siento
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<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/+bug/214119/comments/49
13:56* ogra can only shake his head
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<warren>
yeah, it seems that my thincan has bad ram
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seemingly random memory spots are corrupting
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<ogra>
what does that guy think where his users come from ...
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<warren>
darn
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I can't wrap memtest86 binary with mkelfImage
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<cliebow>
Gadi:nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1
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<Gadi>
cliebow: there ya go
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try adding the port
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<cliebow>
/etc/ldap.conf seems fine.cant find the prob..
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ohh
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<Gadi>
uri ldap://127.0.0.1/
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actually, I dont have the port
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but I do have the trailing slash
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<cliebow>
in /etc/ldap.conf right
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<Gadi>
also, is slapd running?
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<cliebow>
yes
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<Gadi>
yes
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do you have the creds to bind with in ldap.conf?
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<cliebow>
in ldap.secret
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is pw
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<Gadi>
and they are correct?
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<cliebow>
yeah
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<Gadi>
can you do ldapsearch with those creds?
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<cliebow>
yes
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<ogra>
is loopback up ?
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<cliebow>
yes
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<Gadi>
do you have a BASE defined in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf?
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<cliebow>
yes
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<Gadi>
how about URI?
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<cliebow>
no..never have used it...in like 8 diff databases..
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<Gadi>
yeah, me neither
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that was a trick qu
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:)
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<cliebow>
heh
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gonna post
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<Gadi>
do you haave host defined in /etc/ldap.conf?
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actually, pastebot it
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "##/etc/ldap.conf host 127.0.0." (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/512
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<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "# $OpenLDAP: pkg/ldap/librarie" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/513
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<Gadi>
cliebow: add this line to ldap.conf:
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uri ldap://127.0.0.1/
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<cliebow>
k
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afraid not..
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<cliebow>
wierd..id acadia.doherty pops right up.
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naught to do eith nss of courese
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guess i'll have to add in rootpw temporarily
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that gave me an su acadia.doherty
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i dumped the old dir and made a new..chown works..
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now the thinclient
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<Q-FUNK>
*yawn*
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<nantes_geek>
yo
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, what an attitude ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/+bug/214119/comments/49
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... who cares for users ...
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as log as we match our roadmap ... tsk
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<Q-FUNK>
nantes_geek: hey
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<johnny>
hi
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so.. there's a problem if i want to use --arch=x86 ...
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<pntz>
Warren, are you able to get a shell with fedora-ltsp5? ctrl-alt-Fx does weird stuff for me.
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<warren>
pntz: what chipsets?
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pntz: some video drivers are incapable of VT switching
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<pntz>
hmm...might be s3. I have to check
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<warren>
s3 is one video card I don't have on any of my thin clients
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pntz: are you using my latest stuff in F9?
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<pntz>
nope, F8
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<warren>
I haven't updated the F8 version in a while, I should do that soon.
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<pntz>
ok maybe I build an F9. can you chroot into th eclient and yum install things?
22:25
I guess it's a SIS not s3. It's an old hp t5000.
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<pntz>
If it matters, this could vt switch with ltsp 4.1 and 4.2.
22:31
Keep up the good work warren....
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<warren_>
I guess whoever was asking that question is gone now.
22:33
I got disconnected.
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<johnny>
<pntz> If it matters, this could vt switch with ltsp 4.1 and 4.2.
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<pntz> Keep up the good work warren....
22:49
good day warren
22:49
<warren>
I wish they would actually follow the directions I written
22:49
he's comparing X from 4 years ago to today's X
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when NOBODY uses the s3 chip
22:49
so the driver is likely buggy now
22:49
<johnny>
need some sort of warehouse where people test the drivers :)
22:50
with every graphics card :)
22:50
every wifi card..
22:50
<warren>
open source works by people testing what they care about
22:50
nobody cared about s3
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<johnny>
except the users who have it :)
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<vagrantc>
well, time away from the internet is time spent making patches :)
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<johnny>
really?
23:00
whatcha got for us today?
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<vagrantc>
nothing major ... just merged add_fstab_entry and remove_fstab_entry into a single script
23:01
for the users of debian etch, i've got backports of ltsp and ltspfs, and ldm soon.
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<johnny>
vagrantc, what counts as common?
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<johnny>
i think that needs to be reorganized a bit..
23:25
since i'm going to have to override it too
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<vagrantc>
johnny: ?
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<johnny>
set-arch
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<vagrantc>
?
23:26
<johnny>
i have to override it?
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<vagrantc>
i know nothing about set-arch
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<johnny>
001-set-arch
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<vagrantc>
ah, the plugin
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<johnny>
it's not very common
23:27
since everybody overrides it :)
23:27
<vagrantc>
johnny: give me more details when you're asking questions :P
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<johnny>
i see it in every distro plugin directory
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<vagrantc>
johnny: sure, eveyone overrides it ... but it at least provides an example ... the fedora one is clearly derived from it.
23:28
in the end, i think we'll want vendor-specific functions for that stuff that have a common namespace.
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<johnny>
when you guys use i386.. we use x86
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<johnny>
warren's is alot shorter :)
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<vagrantc>
i'm not really opposed to dropping it entirely...
23:39
i'm way more interested in not spending much more energy discussing it. :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra, warren, dberkholz, johnny, cyberorg: i'm hoping to tag a new version of ldm in the next hour or so.
23:48
adds 3 translations over the last version, plus the Xsession stuff for gentoo and opensuse
23:48
<johnny>
cool
23:48
now.. when can we get some tarballs hosted some place official
23:48
<vagrantc>
heh
23:48
baby steps.
23:48
<johnny>
what is exactly the problem?
23:48* vagrantc is happy to have version numbers
23:48
<johnny>
what are we babystepping toward?
23:48
i obviously don't know that part of the conversation
23:49
other than just throwing some tarballs based on these tags?
23:49
<vagrantc>
the only issue i see at this point is which distro determines which makefiles go in the tarball
23:49
i guess the simple answer is whoever tagged it.
23:49
<johnny>
makefiles ?
23:49
everything works as is from the repo for me
23:50
<vagrantc>
well, the process of releasing a tarball actually calls automake and generates the makefiles
23:50
<johnny>
the current makefiles are fine tho?
23:51
<vagrantc>
the makefiles don't come from revision control, they come from whatever distro you happen to be building on
23:51
<johnny>
sure.. i just run ./autogen
23:51
<vagrantc>
right
23:51
<johnny>
no big deal?
23:52
<vagrantc>
hopefully not, but it could be weird to have Makefiles in each version generated from a different set of autotools and freinds