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Channel log from 6 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<the_5th_wheel>
anyone kow if its possible to change the location of the login box under LDm?
03:20
or how to play with themes more than just colours
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<rafiks>
hello!
09:37
do i need to have a different user in LTSP chroot environment from the one i have in my distro...
09:38
i mean is it possible to have my regular /home be available to my thin client?
09:42
<vykarian>
rafiks yeah
09:42
u should, at server, export that via NFS
09:42
and mount at bootup with the -t nolock
09:42
like
09:42
sorry
09:42
-o nolock
09:42
kinda
09:43
<rafiks>
ahh ok ..
09:43
why does LTsp have to be on a chroot?
09:44
<vykarian>
mount -t nfs -o nolock 10.1.1.1:/home/USER /directory
09:44
<rafiks>
can I have a thin client boot out of my host distro like debian,directly?
09:44
<vykarian>
i should create the directory first, too
09:44
well
09:45
do u need to access local devices?
09:45
<rafiks>
not really
09:45
<vykarian>
i guess that one good solution for u, in first sign
09:45
would be enable SHELL_01 = telnet or kinda
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<rafiks>
k ..
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<efra>
Morning everybody
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<SAH>
HELOO can you help me ref ltsp?
10:50
my problem how to connect windowsxp used ltsp server?
10:50
plsss
10:54
<cliebow_>
?
10:56
<SAH>
heloo are you they?
10:56
cliebow?
10:56
can you help me?
10:56
<cliebow_>
what are you trying to do?
10:57
<SAH>
emm i have server ltsp i need to conect my windows xp? can you show me how?
10:58
<cliebow_>
how about nx?
10:58
<SAH>
ping its ok the have the reply..but for internet its blank
10:59
so what should i do?
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<cliebow_>
WOOT!!
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hmm
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<rjune>
hey cle
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hey cliebow_
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<cliebow_>
rjune:!!!!!
18:06
you understand the firection of sound for ltsp?
18:06
<rjune>
I gotta get a server, any suggestions? VM server for mostly file/print type servies
18:06
I don't know the direction of sound currently
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<cliebow_>
vm server?//
18:07
vmware?
18:07
are you thinking 64 bit? i wonder if it is worth the aggravation sopmetimes
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<rjune>
yes and yes
18:07
though I may use Xen too, depends
18:07
I'm gonna replace three or four systems with the oen
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one
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<cliebow_>
i can look at school..i get opteron/xeon etc confused..J45p3r builds all ours..wanna ask him?
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i can catch him on aim and have him look you up..
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<rjune>
yea
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<cliebow_>
jasper0010 if you wanna hit him up directly with gaim
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isd like to listen.
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<rjune>
he online now?
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<cliebow_>
he says he iuis a way..but usually comes on if he is not snowmobiling..which i KNOW he isnt
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it being 52 degrees here
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<rjune>
heh
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<J45p3r>
hi
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<cliebow_>
rjune:
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<J45p3r>
snowmobiles will run on grass
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<cliebow_>
hah!!\
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rjune here is your chance to ask about servers
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<J45p3r>
I've used Dells for the last few servers we bought, generally we can catch a good deal with them
18:15
<cliebow>
opteron? xeon?
18:15
<J45p3r>
xeon
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<cliebow>
eagle2 is xeon? like twin 1.8
18:15
<rjune>
cliebow_: indeed
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<J45p3r>
eagle2 is opteron
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<cliebow>
J45p3r:would you go 64 bit?
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<J45p3r>
I custom built that one with a Tyan mobo and dual Opterons
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<rjune>
J45p3r: you able to read postscript?
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<J45p3r>
now a days it's all 64 bit any hoo
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<cliebow>
doesnt seem to phase ubuntu..like it did rhel4
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<J45p3r>
no
18:17
you don't *have* to run the 64 bit OS
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like we did on e2
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<cliebow>
the u92 servers only see one cpu til you add a new kernel
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rjune: read postscript?
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<cliebow_>
i thought i was still here
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oh
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rjune: so go double xeon...
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<rjune>
http://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/VM-dell_poweredge_rack.pdf
18:20
that's one I was looking at
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<J45p3r>
do you need 1U?
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<rjune>
no, but the price differential between it and the twoer was something like 50
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<cliebow_>
we have a sale on gig cards for iu 8~)
18:23
<rjune>
slightly used, eh?
18:23
<J45p3r>
ok, fair enough, for only a $50 difference get teh rack
18:23
no, more like purchasing error
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<rjune>
yeah, I have a rack already
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<cliebow_>
just yanking your chains 8~)
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<rjune>
J45p3r: oh, so they fell off the truck?
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<J45p3r>
no, they are designed for a 1/2U server, I didn't catch that they had the short bracket
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<cliebow_>
the boss seriuosly considered bending the tabs up so a gig card with short tang would go in a standard box..i told him we were low on ducttape
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<J45p3r>
i can't see anything wrong with that server as configured
18:26
lots of RAM is most important doing what you want to do
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<cliebow_>
i'd prefer a beowulf cluster of nubus macs ..if one goes you just shove another one in
18:27
sort of like google
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rjune: this is for school?
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<rjune>
J45p3r: I know that bit, I've just not bought hardware recently and I'm not up on what's the best value, etc. I hadn't heard of SAS and everything's got that as an option, then there's all the new Xeon and Opteron stuff
18:29
though I wish I could justify a Tyan Typhoon, that thing is just badass
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<J45p3r>
when I'm custom building I always use Tyan
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<rjune>
they've got a reputation for being high quality
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<J45p3r>
I don't think I'd go AMD again, its a good platform, but "no one ever got fired for buying Intel"
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<rjune>
meh
18:31
you have problems with it?
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<J45p3r>
no, not really
18:31
we should have installed the 32-bit OS at the time though
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which isn't AMDs fault
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<rjune>
VMware run on 64bit?
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<J45p3r>
not sure
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<cliebow_>
J45p3r:Eagle2 kicks ass..i shouldnt complain
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<J45p3r>
we had more issues with the "little things" that weren't ready for 64-bit, or were just getting to 64-bit
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<rjune>
so you got more hardware then you could handle?
18:33
:-D
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<J45p3r>
no such thing... I'm the Tim the Toolman Taylor of computer hardware
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<cliebow_>
Amen!!
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<rjune>
LOL
18:35
you know what's scary?
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<cliebow_>
J45p3r always comes up with the right answer..or at least the right question
18:36
<rjune>
Dual 3.0Ghz P4 w/ 3GB RAM was purchased for a webserver
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<cliebow_>
heh..my wife and i are doing his and her laptops
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is that a bad thing?
18:36
seems overekill
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<rjune>
for my school? yes
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I'm thinking it may be my new VM server
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<cliebow_>
how many students
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<rjune>
1200 total
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<cliebow_>
that could be dual or triple function
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<rjune>
it was purchased for that. I co-opted the thing ahile ago and decided it was going to be my update server
18:38
Looking at my hardware req spreadsheet though, it's just about right for my planned VM server
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<cliebow_>
i'd be tempted to prempt it..put the webserver on a desktop if necessary
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<rjune>
I did that long ago
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:-D
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<rjune>
The board president wasn't overjoyed that I did it.
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but he didn't say anything much.
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<J45p3r>
a SAS controller can run either a SAS or SATA drive, but a SATA controller cannot run a SAS drive
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<rjune>
just wanted me to state I was comfortable with it.
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<cliebow_>
fear uncertainty
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<J45p3r>
I had to look that up since I haven't used sas yet
18:43
<rjune>
What do you guys use for switches? I've got some unmanaged ones and I'm looking to get some managed switches.
18:43
<cliebow_>
guess i havnt either
18:43
an old intel 550t
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and a fancy-schmancy one Jason bought 8`)
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<J45p3r>
unfortunately we are still running unmanaged 24 +2 10/100 switches (Amer)
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<cliebow_>
10/100 with 2 gig poerts
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<rjune>
The Amer stuff been good for you?
18:45
I was thinking about giving it a go
18:45
<J45p3r>
right, we have the Intel as the "hub" of our fiber network
18:45
yes, amer has been super, haven't had any failures of the 24 porters
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<cliebow_>
amer has been a littly pricey..but real solid
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<rjune>
pricey? I thought they were cheaper then most other switches
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<J45p3r>
yea, we get decent pricing, they usually do buy 10, get 10 free on their 5 and 8 port switches
18:47
<cliebow_>
their 100m ehthernet cards are 10 bucks...insttead of five bucks on ebay..but my last batch were duds
18:47
<rjune>
I'm thinking I may look at apple for the server
18:47
that'd throw everybody for a loop
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<J45p3r>
xserve or a Mac Pro?
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<cliebow_>
apples are built like a brick outhouse..i must admit
18:49
<rjune>
xserve
18:49
get pricing on a pro too, but I suspect it won't be what I want
18:49
and it may be too much of a pita to run SLES on it
18:50
<J45p3r>
i'll be more than the Dell $ wise, but you get the ultimate in OS options
18:50
<cliebow_>
i'm going on standby...
18:50
rjune: you like suse huh?
18:50
<rjune>
for a server? oh yeah
18:51
<cliebow_>
it just never did anything for me..
18:51
<rjune>
I've been pretty happy with my netware and OES/Linux boxes
18:51
You using Ubuntu for all your servers?
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<cliebow_>
im moving to ubuntu all the time from rhel4
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<rjune>
RHEL4 doesn't currently do what Novell does with OES/Linux
18:52
specificly it's more Zenworks then it is Linux
18:52
<cliebow_>
it is pretty antiquated now..
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<rjune>
ZEN is completely badass
18:53
<cliebow_>
i gues i should try it...
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<rjune>
when we've both got some free time, I'll walk you through some of the stuff you can do
18:54
<cliebow_>
rjune: that would be great..real great..you have nx running on it?
18:54
<rjune>
no, Just VNC and iManager
18:55
<cliebow_>
nxserver is very cool..and in ubntu is an absolute snap to set up]\
18:55
<rjune>
I have ~330 machines in my network, I'm getting ready to migrate print services from one machine to another.
18:56
it should take me about an hours to actually move all machines to use the new print server.
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<cliebow_>
print services in zen?
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<rjune>
s/hours/hour
18:56
ZEN is a management tool
18:56
iPrint provides print services. I'm moving from one system to another.
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then in Zen, I just set, this machine to use that printer, etc.
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and when users login, it installs the new printers.
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took me half an hour to install frontpage on a lab of 30 computers
19:00
<mistik1>
!info Zen
19:00
<ltspbot>
mistik1: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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<rjune>
mistik1: google it
19:00
They're just now getting it into linux, mostly it's for windows. but god, without it I would go crazy
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<mistik1>
is it payware?
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<rjune>
yeah, there needs to be an OSS clone
19:01
it just has so much integraged into it though
19:01
<mistik1>
The name sound familiar, like something i've checked out before
19:01
<cliebow_>
i'm trying to learn fiirstclass scripting..also proprietary..it is a real pain..cant google for much of anything
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<mistik1>
then dont use it
19:02
hack in perl
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or ruby
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<rjune>
think ghost + application management + inventory + printer management + GPO management
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<cliebow_>
the superintendent is set on it
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<mistik1>
then he is a phool
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<rjune>
cliebow_: what does he want to use it for?
19:03
<cliebow_>
therer are scadfs of them in Miane
19:03
<mistik1>
propriety scripting is nonsense imo
19:03
<rjune>
and why is he worried about what tools you use? isn't that the tech director's job?
19:03
<cliebow_>
tracking stuff like bus requests..vacation time
19:04
the tracking part could be useful..workflow
19:04
<rjune>
yeah.
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<cliebow_>
there are loots of little workspace type things for budget..for different classes..
19:05
it is all about saring work
19:05
<mistik1>
they need TSIWare (shameless plug)
19:05
<cliebow_>
sharing
19:05
elaborate..
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<mistik1>
www.tsiware.com
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ccherrett's product
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<cliebow_>
kj..i will look er ujp
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<mistik1>
ping him when he's online he could prolly give you even more info than the website
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<cliebow_>
mistik1: you involved?
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<mistik1>
nope
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<J45p3r>
firstclass is more than scripting, its a Collaboration Suite
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email / workspaces / forums / etc
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<neuralis>
commonly used for classes etc at colleges
19:11
<rjune>
cliebow_: you guys played with virtualization yet?
19:11
<neuralis>
i know wellesley uses it for pretty much everything, very popular there
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<mistik1>
cliebow_: As far as I know about it its geared for school system
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<rjune>
anybody know of a simple webbased ledger system off hand?
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<jammcq>
hello all
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<vagrantc>
heya!
20:39
jammcq: did you see the "ltspfs in debian dance" earlier?
20:39
<jammcq>
umm, earlier ?
20:39
<vagrantc>
earlier today
20:39
<jammcq>
I just got home
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haven't been online since last night
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<vagrantc>
it actually hit the archives. it's in unstable.
20:40
<jammcq>
so, there was some dance ?
20:40
someone getting "Jiggy" ?
20:40* vagrantc refuses to comment
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<vagrantc>
but http://packages.qa.debian.org/ltspfs actually has something :)
20:40
<jammcq>
awe cool
20:44
<vagrantc>
so, hopefully we'll have an etch backport available by the time etch releases. :)
20:45
<jammcq>
when is that supposed to happen?
20:45
<vagrantc>
when it's ready!
20:45
<jammcq>
when the developers stop fighting about a couple guys getting paid?
20:45
<vagrantc>
i just filed a couple new RC (release-critical) bugs in the past few days
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<ccherrett>
hey mistik1
22:47
I saw my name :)
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<dougb>
if you install LTSP on a 64-bit processor, can a 32-bit thin client still load?
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nevermind, i found the answer
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<vagrantc>
the answer, for anyone wondering, is yes.
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