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Channel log from 1 August 2011   (all times are UTC)

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07:33
<Hyperbyte>
Morning!
07:35
<alkisg>
Good morning
07:35
<Hyperbyte>
:)
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14:06
<markit>
anyone expert with bonding? I have all the leds of the switch blinking (also of unused ports)
14:07
<Hyperbyte>
markit, what happens when you disconnect one of the two bonding cables? Does the switch blinking on all ports?
14:07
+stop
14:11
<markit>
back
14:11
I have removed one cable, and works fine
14:11
only the plugged ports are on
14:11
and traffic works
14:11
<Hyperbyte>
Traffic doesn't work when all leds are blinking?
14:12
<markit>
if I re-plug the second cable all leds are blinking and thin client is unable to get dhcp
14:12
also tcpdump seems to show NO traffic flowing during that
14:12
I've set mode 0
14:12
<Hyperbyte>
No traffic on either interfaces?
14:13
<markit>
and I've a very dumb gbit 8 port switch
14:13
well, I # tcpdump -ni bond1
14:13
(I've NO bond0, since I've eth0 I prefer call bond1 the bond eth1+eth2)
14:14
mm now I've traffic
14:14
16:14:16.997501 IP 192.168.20.10 > 224.0.0.22: igmp v3 report, 1 group record(s)
14:15
but not the good one :) maibe is just auto-generated
14:15
(I've installed shorewall and squid in the meantime)
14:15
maybe the switch firmware is broken
14:16
<Hyperbyte>
Haven't a clue what might cause this. You'd think broadcast storm, but doesn't make sense if there's no traffic. Wait around a bit for alkisg, he can probably tell you.
14:16
<markit>
Hyperbyte: do you confirm that for bond mode 0 no support from the switch is required? no special features, I mean
14:16
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I'm setting up bonding here too. Alkis told me nothing special is required from the switch, it should even work with cheap d-link switches.
14:18
<markit>
mm if I plug one cable only (I guess eth1 one), all lights blink for 4 times and then only the plugged ones are on
14:18
if I plug the other cable of the bond, lights keep blinking
14:19
btw, do parameters have "-" or "_" as separator in /etc/network/interfaces?
14:19
I've found doc with both systems
14:20
bond_mode balance-rr BUT also bond-mode balance-rr
14:21
<Hyperbyte>
man interfaces
14:21
<highvoltage>
life/win 19
14:21
<Hyperbyte>
:)
14:21
<markit>
tells nothing about bonding
14:21
<Hyperbyte>
You're right...
14:22
As I said I'm still getting into this. :)
14:22
<markit>
:) are you setting ltsp servers for schools? wich distro/version?
14:23
<Hyperbyte>
Company, 11.04
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<markit>
oh, ltsp and GNU used at work? wow
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14:30
<Hyperbyte>
:)
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14:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
has anybody attempted to install google chrome as a local app?
14:46
<Hyperbyte>
That's not a very specific question. :-) I'm sure someone has.
14:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am having a problem running dpkg -i . Chrome is saying "xdg-desktop-menu: No writable system menu directory found"
14:46
that's installing the package downloaded from google
14:47
since there doesn't appear to be a apt installation method
14:47
Hyperbyte: addendum: "succeeded in installing google chrome as a local app"
14:48
<Hyperbyte>
:) Again the answer would be yes. ;-) But what you just said is very specific.
14:48
You are installing this on the server, in the chroot, I assume?
14:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes
14:49
<Hyperbyte>
Using 'ltsp-chroot' command?
14:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
well kind of. the command looks more like this: "cd /opt/ltsp/i386 && mound --bind /proc ./proc && chroot ./"
14:50
perhaps I need to mount a usr share or something?
14:50
I am not too familiar with what xdg-desktop-menu is looking for pertaining to system menu directories
14:50
<Hyperbyte>
ltsp-chroot is a script that does the same thing, plus extra.
14:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
EXTRAS YOU SAY?!?
14:51
<Hyperbyte>
I find it's easier plus better to use that, if it's on your system.
14:51
YES I SAY!
14:51
FOR FREE OMG!
14:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
olo
14:51
<Hyperbyte>
cat /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot :-)
14:51
I don't think it's gonna solve this problem though.
14:52
Apparently Gnome is having problem making a menu icon for itself in Gnome. Which would be useless, since the local menu items aren't used I think.
14:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
seriously though, I am using 10.04. I am not seeing this command in existence at that location for this release.
14:52
<Hyperbyte>
But the xdg menu directory is /etc/xdg/menus/
14:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh wait. it's in /usr/share/ltsp/scripts/ltsp-chroot
14:52
<Hyperbyte>
Try mkdir /etc/xdg/menus/ and then run the apt-get install
14:53
Probably not the right way to do this in Ubuntu, but it might work.
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14:54* _UsUrPeR_ gives it a shot
14:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
Hyperbyte: no dice, same error :/
14:58
<Hyperbyte>
Hm
14:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am trying this in a ltsp-build-client --kiosk ltsp chroot. I wonder if there's some weird gnome dependency that the .deb file is not telling me about
14:59
<Hyperbyte>
Do you have a /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/applications/ directory?
14:59
Minus one /
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15:23
<schoppenhauer>
hello. what is the format of the EARLY_MIRROR variable when using more than one mirror?
15:24
I cannot find that out somehow
15:25
<Hyperbyte>
schoppenhauer, I have no idea what you're talking about. :)
15:28
<schoppenhauer>
according to http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2010-01-22, it is comma separated
15:28
<Hyperbyte>
:)
15:30
<schoppenhauer>
Hyperbyte: hm?
15:30
Hyperbyte: EARLY_MIRROR in ltsp-build-client.conf
15:31
<Hyperbyte>
Ah. Never seen that before.
15:31
<schoppenhauer>
but appears that it is comma separated
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<schoppenhauer>
I hope that the kernel-packages-argument recognizes these.
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15:44
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: in the chroot, apt-get install gdebi-core
15:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok
15:44
<alkisg>
Then use `gdebi package.deb`, that takes care of dependencies
15:45
(because dpkg -i doesn't)
15:45
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg++;
15:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
I just got done speaking to someone from the chrome team. Apparently there's a potential bug: chrome may require an xdg-compatible desktop manager in order to operate
15:48
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: xdg-desktop-menu is part of xdg-utils, which should be a dependency of chrome, if it uses it
15:48
If it's not a dependency of chrome, then install it manually, and file a bug against chrome
15:49
gdebi will tell you if it needs to install xdg-utils
15:49
Yes, it is, it shows up in its Depends: list
15:50
So just use gdebi to install the package.
16:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: since I am attempting to run chrome in X with no window manager (gnome, kde, wtc) in a "--kiosk" ltsp image, this is problematic
16:00
etc = etc...
16:00
err wtc = etc...
16:00
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: if, once chrome is up and running, it complains about a window manager, you can just install one
16:00
No big deal there
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16:06
<TheMatrix3000>
is it possible to install memtest or add memtest to the pxe boot option?
16:06
basically i want to use memtest to test thin clients having issues
16:09
<alkisg>
Sure. you can either temporarily change pxelinux.cfg/default to load that instead of a kernel, or if you want, you can even make a whole pxe menu like this: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2828.0;attach=1672;image
16:09
<TheMatrix3000>
oh cool
16:09
how would i do that alkisg
16:09
cause i like your menu
16:09
<alkisg>
Documentation is in the syslinux site
16:10
<TheMatrix3000>
ok :)
16:10
<alkisg>
If you want, feel free to use google translate on that post that I've made about my menu: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=2828.0
16:10
<TheMatrix3000>
are you russian?
16:10
<alkisg>
No, greek
16:10
<TheMatrix3000>
ha
16:10
k
16:11
and i can make it set ltsp thin as the default?
16:11
<Hyperbyte>
Maybe if he wears an Ushanka and grows a thick moustache.
16:11
:)
16:11
<alkisg>
Sure, it's a menu
16:11
Haha
16:12
You can set defaults, timeout, background, font, color, whatever
16:20
<markit>
hi alkisg :) I'm working on the elementary school server, and of course I'm starting to find some new troubles, lol
16:21
alkisg: my I have an url of your latest and greatest version of your python scripts for class monitoring?
16:21
and what is your timeframe for further development on it? I remember you have a Phd or something like that to pay attention to
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16:28
<Hyperbyte>
He's in a hotel at the moment, with really crappy wi-fi. :)
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16:55
<alkisg>
markit: please check the irc logs for the english sch-scripts version, I think I gave you the link about 10 times so far the last year :)
16:55
A new version will come out for 12.04
16:55
And a big rewrite for 14.04
16:56
<markit>
alkisg: I remember the link, thought was not updated anymore
16:56
<alkisg>
Yes, the english version is not updated
16:56
<markit>
urgh, 14.04... I need something working well for... this september :)
16:57
<alkisg>
It's in 10.04.38 version, while the greek ones have 10.04.52, a year younger version
16:57
We only use/support LTS releases
16:57
<markit>
alkisg: I see (and agree, but I'm in different position right now, lol)
16:58
I've also a problem with bonding (works only if I connect one cable, sigh), but don't know if you have time to help troubleshoot later (I'm in the middle of other problems right now)
16:59
just in brief:
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<markit>
if I connect both the cables, the 8 gbit switch port has ALL the lights flashing every 1 second
16:59
also the empty plugs I mean
17:00
is something you already encountered and is easy to explain and solve?
17:00
<alkisg>
Post your /etc/network/interfaces. I might be online in 4 hours or so.
17:00
No, I didn't have problems with bonding
17:00
It worked out of the box whenever I tried it
17:00
<markit>
I've the feeling the switch is broken, better try another one (even if 100Mb) first
17:00
ok, see you later and thanks a lot :)
17:00
<alkisg>
The switch shouldn't matter
17:01
Your /etc/network/interfaces ?
17:01
<markit>
ok, let me past in pastebin
17:02
<alkisg>
(for sch-scripts, we still publish new versions with new features, but they're all for 10.04, until 12.04 is released)
17:02
<markit>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/CqSM9rFN
17:02
alkisg: is so dependant upon 10.04? I've 11.04 here...
17:02
I mean, it could work or sure not?
17:03
<alkisg>
markit: that's not the same as the bonding example in the wiki page
17:03
I haven't tried anything different, so I can't comment.
17:03
<markit>
alkisg: you told me the wiki was very different from your one
17:03
<alkisg>
We don't support 11.04, it has numerous changes that break our clients
17:03
E.g. they don't suppot 3d/unity etc
17:03
<markit>
and seems not too different from the wiki, let me check again
17:03
alkisg: oh, I use kde and kubuntu
17:03
<alkisg>
No, what I wrote in the wiki is exactly what I've tried
17:04
sch-scripts don't work with kde
17:04
(well 95% would work, but 5% untested stuff is enough to make it break)
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<markit>
my bond setup seems almost identical to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking except broadcast and network parameters
17:05
that are usual networking ones
17:06
<alkisg>
bond-mode 0 is the same as balance-rr ?
17:06
<markit>
also should not need the gateway parameter
17:06
yes
17:06
<alkisg>
Is that verified?
17:06
<markit>
I tested with 0 and then with balance-rr
17:06
if you have a look at pastebin
17:06
I've put also the output of
17:06
# cat /proc/net/bonding/bond1
17:06
Bonding Mode: load balancing (round-robin)
17:07
<alkisg>
Speed 10 mbps?
17:07
And half duplex?
17:07
Are they not connected to the same switch?
17:07
Ah you say it breaks when you connect it
17:08
<markit>
Speed 10 mbps because one cable is disconnected
17:08
and yes, I connect them to the same switch to create the trouble, but then clients don't have dhcp and tcpdump -ni bond1 shows NO traffic
17:09
also if I plug the other cable I have issues, to be sincere
17:09
oh, no it works too
17:09
<alkisg>
I see. Anyway, I think #networking would be more appropriate for such advanced subjects - they're even unrelated to ltsp, I shouldn't have written that wiki page under ubuntultsp but I hadn't found another one in the wiki
17:10
<markit>
alkisg: the second cable if connected also alone does not work instead
17:11
<alkisg>
And it works without bonding?
17:11
<markit>
I've 2 cable, put "yellow" and "gray". if I use only "yellow" it works
17:11
with both or with gray, not
17:11
mm no, it works with gray too
17:12
ops, not, only with yellow (I need some sleep)
17:12
just the client booted from it's HD now, lol
17:13
<alkisg>
I mean, if you use the gray cable without bonding, does it work?
17:14
<markit>
no, only the yellow one
17:14
maybe the adapter is broken instead of the switch
17:14
<alkisg>
without bonding
17:14
I.e. if you empty your /etc/network/interfaces
17:14
<markit>
yes, bonding does NEVER work
17:14
grey cable ONLY does NOT work either
17:14
yellow cable ONLY, works fine
17:14
<alkisg>
If it doesn't work without bonding, then yeah you don't have any chances at all to make it work with bonding :)
17:15
Check your nic or cable.
17:15
<markit>
yes, good tip, I assumed was working but is a false assumption
17:15
thanks for the troubleshooting :)
17:15
I've something more to do this night, lol
17:15
<alkisg>
np
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19:31
<Guest93846>
I am setting up three labs, each lab will have its own ltsp server. I am trying to run Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit with the fat client image. When I pxe boot my client machine (intel atom with 1gig ram) I get to the ltsp login screen but once I try to login it fails saying No Response from server. Does anyone know what could be the the cause or where I could find a log file that would point me in the right direction?
19:39
<Hyperbyte>
Guest93846, LTSP uses SSH to log in
19:40
So you could try 'ssh user@localhost' on the server, see if that works.... and if it doesn't, there'll be errors in /var/log/syslog
19:40
If it works, you can then try SSH from a network machine.
19:42
<Guest93846>
so just try to ssh into the server to make sure ssh is workin?
19:45
I can ssh to the server from my desktop witihout any trouble.
19:48
I can also ssh to the server from the server as well.
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20:11
<Hyperbyte>
!screen_02 | echo Guest93846
20:11
<ltsp>
Guest93846 screen_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN.
20:11
<Hyperbyte>
Use that, it'll give you a root shell on the thin client. See if you can SSH from there.
20:11
Also, you can set LDM_DEBUG=True in your lts.conf
20:11
<Guest93846>
let me try that.
20:12
<Hyperbyte>
It'll write debug messages to /var/log/ldm.log on the client (you can view that in screen_02)
20:12
LDM is the LTSP login manager. If you try logging in and it fails, hopefully it says why in /var/log/ldm.log
20:20
<Guest93846>
I can't get to screen 2, it just has a cursor. I can get to screen 1 but it has a login prompt and I can't get in that way. Is there a way to set the password for root access on the client? I also set the LDM_DEBUG=True but so far nothing has come up.
20:25
never mind about the password I found the instructions on the link you sent <ltsp>
20:26
<Hyperbyte>
You shouldn't need a password for SCREEN_02 anyways
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20:29
<Guest93846>
the SCREEN_02 setting doesn't seem to work, I did login through the prompt on screen 1 as root and was able to ssh to the server.
20:31
I don't know how or why but the client was just allowed to login. Could it have been the password change I did?
20:32
<alkisg>
Did you get a warning from ssh?
20:32
E.g. "adding keys for xxx..."
20:33
<Guest93846>
no
20:34
oh, sorry yes I did
20:34
get the waring
20:34
<alkisg>
Then you need: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
20:34
You need that every time your server ip is changed
20:35
<Guest93846>
oh... would that explain why I couldn't login with my clients?
20:36
<Hyperbyte>
Yep
20:37
<Guest93846>
You guys are awesome.... Thank you soooo much you saved me a ton of time!
20:44
<Hyperbyte>
Sure. :)
20:44
Save your thanks though, I'm sure you'll have more questions soon. :)
20:44
<highvoltage>
[/win 12
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20:44
<Hyperbyte>
16:21 16:21 <highvoltage> life/win 19
20:44
22:44 22:44 <highvoltage> [/win 12
20:44
Today is not your day is it? =D
20:46
<Guest93846>
No, you deserve a least a thank you don't be little the help you guys offer.
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20:51
<Hyperbyte>
Heheh, not exactly what I meant, but you're welcome man. :)
20:52
Or woman! Let's stay emancipated!
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20:56
<highvoltage>
Hyperbyte: yeah I'm just going to detach from my irc session and eat some cake instead :)
20:56
<Hyperbyte>
Heheh... well, should be just as good as IRC.
20:56
=)
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