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Channel log from 10 July 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<Q-FUNK>
howdy!
03:20
is anyone here testing Ubuntu/Karmic on Geode terminals?
03:52
I'm just wondering if I'm the only one for whom 2.6.31-*-generic packages fail to boot on a Geode LX -based host
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<highvoltage>
hi Q-FUNK. I haven't tested yet but I do have a Geode client and I am running karmic. I could test over the weekend
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<Q-FUNK>
highvoltage: excellent! which client do you use?
04:19
e.g. CPU and model?
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<Diablo22>
Hi all
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<highvoltage>
Q-FUNK: it's a lttle black box I got from a client. it has Model: ION A603 written on it.
04:24
Q-FUNK: not plugged in right now so I'll have to give you further details later
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<Q-FUNK>
right, ION 603 is what I have too
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<Diablo22>
Its normal that my ltsp clients see the second network card of the server when i write : ifconfig -a ? I have Ubuntu as distro
04:34
<Q-FUNK>
Diablo22: yes, because whatever you write in a terminal is actually runing on the server
04:35
in LTSP, the client is just a binocular to a session taking place on the server. nothing runs locally on the client, except for LDM.
04:35
<Diablo22>
Q-FUNK: oh , i see , Thank you for your help.
04:36
<Q-FUNK>
all the clients share server resources to run their session
04:37
you can think of them as a TV screen: the movie is running at the TV station; your own TV set just shows you the image.
04:37
<Diablo22>
Q-FUNK: I have a strange problem with Firefox , I can ping for example google.com , however firefox cannot resolve the url. ( I have Firefox as Local App)
04:37
<Q-FUNK>
as local app?
04:37
are you configured in web kiosk mode?
04:38
you might need to install dnsmasq on the server, to relay DNS queries
04:40
stgraber: could it be a good idea to install dnsmasq and some sort of NAT by default, on LTSP server, to allow web kiosk sessions to work out of the box and use the server as a router?
04:40
<Diablo22>
I dont think it a dns issue , as my server has a BIND9 server running and working. With Firefox i cannot browse the net , but with the console i can use wget for example.
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<Q-FUNK>
it might have DNS working, but not NAT
04:41
and bind9 might be overkill, if all you need is to relay DNS queries :)
04:42
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: ah, ufw offers simple NAT now? pretty nice!
04:45
<ogra>
either that or use the iptables setup
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in any case NAT isnt on by default
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<Diablo22>
Q-FUNK: I use Bind9 for my network name resolution.
04:46
ogra: I use firestarter. Thank you for your advice.
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<ogra>
ugh ... firestarter ...
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but then you should know what to do if you use such an advanced thing :)
04:47
just make sure http and https are NATed
04:52
<Diablo22>
ogra: Actually firestarter is pretty simple.
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<ogra>
well, its a POV thing i guess
04:53
i find gufw far simpler
04:53
the firestarter UI is awful imho
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<Q-FUNK>
gufw?
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<ogra>
the gui for ufw
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<Q-FUNK>
gui versio of ufw?
04:56
oh, nice
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<ogra>
yes
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exists since hardy
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<Diablo22>
Interesting. iam trying it now
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<Diablo22>
How to know which DNS server my ltsp clients are using ?
05:26
<ogra>
its defined in your dhcp config
05:26
you can also set it in lts.conf though
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<Diablo22>
ogra: Is there any Gui to manage the ltsp server and it client ?
05:39
<ogra>
italC
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<Diablo22>
I think italc is used to monitor the clients . I was asking about Gui configuration of the server.
05:45
<ogra>
what would you configure ?
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<Diablo22>
ogra : the setting like their ip , resolution , ect . I heard someone using LDAP for that. But i found no tutorial or doc for this proccess.
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<ogra>
there is no ldap support for lts.conf
05:55
patches accepted though :)
05:57
<Diablo22>
btw how to fix typos in the ltsp manual ?
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<ogra>
talk to sbalneav he maintains the source for the pdf
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<Diablo22>
Updating your LTSP chroot : "apt-get get update" sould be "apt-get update"
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<ogra>
!doc
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<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
05:59
<ogra>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
05:59* ogra checks
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<ogra>
oh, yeah
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well, sbalneav should show up in 1-2h
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<Diablo22>
alright. ^_^
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<tarzeau>
hello
07:52
does anyone run ltsp on powerpc g3/g4?
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<tarzeau>
http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/eth2009/slides/img_0572.html
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<ogra>
nice !°
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<ogra>
tarzeau, cliebow runs some old imacs iirc
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<maginot>
hey... I saw that in /etc/hosts I had a 127.0.1.1 ltspserver, so I changed 127.0.1.1 to the server lan address... this can cause anyproblem to the clients?
08:31
<tarzeau>
ogra: i've just installed powerpc client root on a powerpc linux now copying to our ltsp server, to try on these bunch of g4 imacs (the lamps)
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<ogra>
nice
08:32
what release ? i dont think anyone has tried that for a while
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<sunru>
hi
08:36
can I change the login gfx?
08:36
it will say LTSP
08:36
just nicer.
08:36
:)
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<maginot>
hey... I saw that in /etc/hosts I had a 127.0.1.1 ltspserver, so I changed 127.0.1.1 to the server lan address... this can cause anyproblem to the clients?
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<edoardo>
Hey You Guys
09:35
How do I burn a DVD on a thin client, which has a DVD burner?
09:36
This is in Ltsp5
09:43
<Diablo22>
did you set LOCALDEV=True in your lts.conf ?
09:43
<edoardo>
Yep
09:43
When I instert a blank DVD it opens up a Nautilus window with it, and mounts it
09:43
But I ain't sure about how I can burn it
09:43
<Diablo22>
You have a iso ?
09:43
<edoardo>
Brasero won't recognize it as a blank DVD :(
09:43
Yeah, I got an ISO
09:44
<Diablo22>
hmm.
09:44
<edoardo>
It'll work if I put the blank DVD in the Server, but I'm kinda trying to avoid that
09:45
<Diablo22>
That clear. But you want in the thin client. I am trying right now in my machines
09:46
<Gadi1>
You need to run DVD burning software as a local app
09:46
and put the file in your home directory
09:46
<edoardo>
Uhm... how do I do that?
09:47
<Gadi1>
well, what DVD burning software would you like to use?
09:47
<edoardo>
I'm thinking of scripting this, so even command line
09:47
<Gadi1>
why script it?
09:48
lets say, you like "gnomebaker
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"
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for example
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then you:
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install gnomebaker
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sudo ltsp-update-image
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reboot the thin client
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and either:
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a. set: LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True in lts.conf and select GnomeBaker from the regular menu
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b. OR: create a launcher for: ltsp-localapps gnomebaker
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whichever you prefer
09:50
Then, you can burn the DVD
09:50
<ogra>
note though that gnomebaker will only have access to your homedir :)
09:50
<Gadi1>
if you are on Ubuntu, make sure the user is in the appropriate group to have permissions to use the DVD device
09:50
<Diablo22>
Gadi1: Can you tell me if i have to patch Firefox to run as local app ?
09:51
<ogra>
you dont
09:51
<Gadi1>
Diablo22: patch? no
09:51
just install in the chroot
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<ogra>
same procedure as with gnomebaker
09:52
<Diablo22>
Actually i want to install netbeans , then add Ruby plugin . However I cant add it by console only by GUI. Do you know any solution ?
09:53
As localapp
09:53
<Gadi1>
you can install any add-on on command line
09:53
<edoardo>
Gadil, Thanks dude
09:54
<Gadi1>
edoardo: np
09:54
<Diablo22>
Gadi1 , in netbeans ?
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<Gadi1>
FYI: the reason it has to be a local app is that burning requires access to the raw device - LOCALDEV only exports filesystems on the device
09:55
Diablo22: not sure about netbeans - I thought you meant a firefox plugin
09:55
like an .xpi file
09:56
Diablo22: does it install system wide or in the home directory of the user?
09:56
if in the homedir, localapps firefox will pick it up
09:57
<Diablo22>
system wide
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<Gadi1>
Diablo22: try this:
10:00
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -tdevpts none /dev/pts
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 netbeans_gui_thing
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 umount /dev/pts
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sudo ltsp-update-image
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that may work
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<Diablo22>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -tdevpts none /dev/pts ? should be sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t /dev/pts none /dev/pts i think...
10:02
<Gadi1>
not on ubuntu
10:02
:)
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<Gadi1>
no, it should be -tdevpts
10:03
devpts is the filesystem type
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<Diablo22>
:)
10:03
it tell me that mount point dont exist
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<Gadi1>
the above lets me run xterm from the chroot
10:03
is there no /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/pts ?
10:04
if not, make one
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:)
10:04
or bind-mount /dev to /opt/ltsp/i386/dev
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<Diablo221>
Gadi1 I got disconnected.
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<Q-FUNK>
re
10:10
<Diablo221>
Q-FUNK: welcome back
10:10
<Q-FUNK>
thanks
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<slashdotfx>
Hi, I'm running jaunty, I've wonder, is it necessary for the users to be a member of the audio group?
10:18
because I had this problem with pulseaudio, I try to restart pulseaudio, since sometimes the sound quit working
10:18
but whenever I run "pulseaudio -k; pulseaudio -vv" it said the resource/hw is busy
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I check under /dev/snd with lsof, and whenever I kill the user process (firefox), the sound is ok again
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<Diablo221>
slashdotfx: still here ?
11:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
si I am trying to use "LOCAL_BROWSER = Y"
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<Gadi>
LOCAL_BROWSER??
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<_UsUrPeR_>
s/si/so
11:49* ogra was wondering as well
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<Gadi>
no such thing
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<ogra>
perhaps he created it :)
11:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
huh
11:49
<Gadi>
ah
11:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
no
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http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/LtspLocalAppFirefox
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<Gadi>
for some reason, LOCAL_OGRA does nothing either
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<_UsUrPeR_>
:)
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<ogra>
except in my house
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<_UsUrPeR_>
it's listed in there...
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<Gadi>
really? you got it working in your house?
11:50
;)
11:51
_UsUrPeR_: isnt that a 4.2 page?
11:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
so there is no lts.conf command to automatically update firefox links?
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<ogra>
yeah, LOCAL_OGRA works in armchair :)
11:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
:)
11:52
<Gadi>
hehe ur link takes me to an access denied pages
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where someone who can't spell thinks the past tense of spell is spelt
11:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: I guess you are correct? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
11:52
<Gadi>
lol!
11:52
either that or he can't eat wheat
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<_UsUrPeR_>
http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox
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sorry :)
11:53
so to clarify: there is no newly-invented lts.conf command to automatically change localapps links?
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<Gadi>
This document, LTSP Firefox Local Browser is copyright (c) 2005
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<Gadi>
:P
11:54
what doyou mean by change localapps links?
11:54* ogra was wondering as well
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<ogra>
oh that conversation is easy :)
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<Gadi>
you can do:
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LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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to have the firefox menu item go to the local app
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<_UsUrPeR_>
^^^ that's what I was looking for :)
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11:56* Gadi wonders if sbalneav has local apps stuff in docs
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<Gadi>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<Gadi>
http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#localapps
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there it is
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<bieb>
anyone seen sbalneav today?
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<jengel>
Hello, anybody home?
12:31
Guess not. Bye.
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<epsas>
hmm
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so - I guess this will offend a lot of people
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but i run LTSP for a normal 300-seat office environment
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Open Office, Thunderbird, Remote Desktop all work fine
12:36
but javascript is painful on some websites
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notably Facebook
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as this is a normal office environment, Facebook is quite essential to workplace morale
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surprisingly so
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I was wondering if anybody else notcies this slowdown with Firefox + Debian Lenny (and the updated libxcb libraries)
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
epsas: 9.04? 10/100 or 10/100/1000 network?
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<ogra>
debian lenny he said ... thats a bit older
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<epsas>
err - what is the new version of debian - etch?
12:45
sorry
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<epsas>
no - lenny
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and it is on a 100 mbit network -- which shouldn't matter, because other sites work fine
12:46
just facebook...
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<ogra>
lenny is the latest indeed ... but quite a bit older than 9.04 :) rather equivalent to 8.04 i'd say
12:48
how does your context menu in the browser behave ?
12:48
that was actually the best way to reproduce the xcb issues
12:48
<epsas>
what is the context menu?
12:48
<ogra>
right click menu :)
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<epsas>
oh - that is working fine
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<ogra>
no delay ?
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<epsas>
it is just facebook for some reason
12:49
no
12:49
i have already applied the patched xcb libs
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<ogra>
did you monitor the cpu on the server while surfing to a facebook site ?
12:50
javascript can be very cpu hungry
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12:59* alkisg sees that chromium-browser renders the facebook layout a lot faster than firefox... webkit ftw! :)
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<Lumiere>
I am still having fairly nasty entropy problems
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I keep getting a Negotiation:_ failure
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even with 2500 entropy
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(I rebooted a client while moving the mouse on the server and repeately checking the pool... there was tons of entropy
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13:39* Lumiere pokes vagrantc and ogra for help
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<vagrantc>
hrm?
13:42* Gadi still wonders why people think its an entropy problem
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<Lumiere>
yea it isn't
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although entropy tends to drop horribly low
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(which is a problem, just a different one)
13:48
Gadi: any ideas where to go?
13:50
all of the clients are Dell Optiplex GX620s with 2G ram on a dedicated switch to the ltsp server on a private net for only those 12 clients
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so it isn't like there is a lot of weird stuff going on
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but I am so far from my LTSP days (not to mention... the last time I actually RAN ltsp... it was ltsp3
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<Gadi>
hehe
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how big is the image you are pushing to them?
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is it a standard basic image?
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<Lumiere>
I think so
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<Gadi>
hmm... do the clients all have the same network driver?
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<Lumiere>
they're identical machines
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<Gadi>
maybe there is something wonky there?
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<Lumiere>
unless someone is being an ass and swapped out network cards in some
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(and the answer there is not likely)
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<Gadi>
do you know which driver?
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perhaps there is a bug filed against it?
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<Lumiere>
they're dells, probably eepro based, let me check
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<Gadi>
might be good to know what the server has, too
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<Lumiere>
broadcom on the clients
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e1000e on the serve
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<Gadi>
any dmesg
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messages on the server
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?
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<Lumiere>
nothing obvious
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nothing net related
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<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: btw, have you tried kernel 2.6.31 on something LX-based?
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<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: I can't even count that high
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<Q-FUNK>
:D
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<Gadi>
Lumiere: what does this give you: sudo netstat -anp|grep :2000|wc -l
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<Diablo221>
Gadi: Do you know if it possible to run a non Gui program as local ? Like Python .
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<Lumiere>
brb
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<Gadi>
as a localapp?
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you can run anything
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Diablo221: ltsp-localapps "command"
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<Lumiere>
6
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<Gadi>
Diablo221: or: ltsp-localapps --wait "command"
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Lumiere: so, you only have 5 workstations connected atm, right?
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<Diablo221>
It possible directly ? With LOCAL_APP_MENU_ITEMS
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<Gadi>
Lumiere: and the next one gives you an error?
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Diablo221: if you create a .desktop file for it in the chroot
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<Lumiere>
Gadi: yes and yes... but we had 12 yesterday
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<Gadi>
Diablo221: in the chroot's /usr/share/applications
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<Lumiere>
or 10 it isn't a stable number it seems
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<Gadi>
Lumiere: install strace on the server
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Lumiere: then, in /usr/sbin/nbdrootd, add an "strace -o /tmp/nbdrootd.out" in front of the nbd-server command
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and boot a terminal
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maybe we can see where it is getting stuck
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(don't leave that in there, tho
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<Lumiere>
yea
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<Gadi>
just for the one test)
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Lumiere: the only other place to go for info would be wireshark
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and see if a packet is getting screwed up
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<Lumiere>
uh is nbdrootd in the opt
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<Gadi>
I once had a Cisco firewall that mangled the packets
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<Lumiere>
or am I stracing nbdrootd
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oh ic
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<Gadi>
nbdrootd is in the server
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do you have a Cisco switch?
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<Lumiere>
is that server side or?
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netgear
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<Gadi>
ah, ok
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<dark4og>
I am using 8.04 Edubuntu, on a Dell 2850 server, with 1 gig of ram, and 2.8 ghz Xeon. We connect with PXE on a Diskless Workstation LTSP 1520, Problem is that we type faster then the system will recognize.
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<Gadi>
yeah - server side
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<dark4og>
Anyone know why? the slow reaction.. We use PXE boot on the LTSP 1520
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<Lumiere>
Gadi: unless I have f'd something up...
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no tmp file
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<Diablo221>
dark4og: Which type of connection you have ?
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<dark4og>
100
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<dark4og>
Not far from the server also..
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<diablo22>
You using some Graphical application ?
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<Gadi>
Lumiere: so, nbdrootd is not even firing up?
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<Lumiere>
seems so
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<Gadi>
Lumiere: so inetd's not working
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or the packets aren't reaching the port
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<dark4og>
Firefox... Inputting data
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<Lumiere>
Gadi: wireshark it is...........
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<dark4og>
Switching from Evince PDF to Firefox
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<diablo22>
Try in gedit. If it lag , then it a system misconfiguration . Else if could be Firefox issue and you can try to run it as local app.
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<dark4og>
gedit is OK... Looks like Fiefox issue
14:21
Still using PXE boot, how do we run local?
14:21
<Gadi>
dark4og: are you using acrobat plugin?
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is that what is slow?
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<dark4og>
No
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Firefox is in a PHP site that we maintain Data..
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MySQL
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The PDF is being viewed in Evince and the data is being input to the Firefox Browser
14:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
can anyone point me towards a ubuntu 9.04 document pertaining to ip_forwarding with ltsp-localapps? I am having problems with what I thought had worked in 8.04/8.10
14:23
<Lumiere>
Gadi: ok... I am getting some cisco-sccp oddness (including dup ack issues)
14:23
that is the port 2000 stuff
14:24
<Gadi>
yeah, evidently that is the same port that cissco uses for a VOIP application
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<Lumiere>
ah
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<Gadi>
*cisco
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hence the friendly name
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:)
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<Lumiere>
brb
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: where's it stuck?
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<diablo22>
dark4og: chroot to your thin client. and Install firefox . Then edit your lts.conf to activate the localapps.
14:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: firefox is not able to reach outside networks from client when running localapps.
14:25
<Gadi>
localapps was not really developed much in 8.04
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<Lumiere>
Gadi: let me try to export these packets
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: belay that. I meant 8.10
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no 8.04
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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<dark4og>
diablo22>: Thx... will give it a shot
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<Gadi>
then, in the xterm, do: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
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_UsUrPeR_: make sure you don't have the chmod 000 problem first
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: I had used that bug fix listed in edubuntu
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it's set @ 644
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<Gadi>
good
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now, in that xterm, do: route -n
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<_UsUrPeR_>
it is, however, empty :/
14:27
<Gadi>
ah, that's a problem
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:)
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in lts.conf, add:
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<Gadi>
DNS_SERVER
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SEARCH_DOMAIN
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that'll make sure it gets written to
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: route is not found
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<_UsUrPeR_>
however, it seems to work when I am in a shell
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<Gadi>
ok, is the gateway correct?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: yeah
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I left out search_domain in lts.conf though
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that could be an issue
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: maybe ur prob is just with resolv.conf
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<_UsUrPeR_>
probably
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<Gadi>
yeah, you need it
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<Lumiere>
Gadi: is there a way I can save these to show you?
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<Gadi>
Lumiere: you can put the trace file somewhere
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<_UsUrPeR_>
for SEARCH_DOMAIN= what domain should I be putting in there? DNS server domain?
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: it doesn't much matter
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but, sure
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:)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
okie dokie :)
14:31
<dark4og>
diablo22: This is an PXE boot client, not sure that it can load local apps.. Will I need to fave a HDD in it for this?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: that was it.
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missing the domain
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thanks
14:33
<vagrantc>
local apps require a fair amount of ram, is the only real difference between a "regular" thin client.
14:33
<dark4og>
So it caches the local app ion the server?
14:34
<vagrantc>
no
14:34
well, depends on what you mean by cache ...
14:34
<dark4og>
So the Client needs the ram.
14:35
<vagrantc>
better to think that it loads the program from the network rather than from a local hard disk... but otherwise is running on the local machine.
14:35
so instead of just displaying on the thin client, it's actually running on the thin client
14:35
using the client's ram and cpu...
14:36
in a typical thin client scenario, all applications are running on the server's cpu in the server's ram, and merely displaying to the thin client.
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<dark4og>
OK. It pulls the app from the server, yet it taxes the thin client for the resource
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Got it.. Thx vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
but the world is so much more complicated now :)
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<Gadi>
I know mine is
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:)
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<Lns>
If you change the username in lts.conf for "guest" login for a machine, does the button in LDM reflect it? Or will it always say "Log in as guest" ?
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<vagrantc>
Lns: no, it just says guest.
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we've had some issues with the user interface not being clear at freegeek ... trying to figure out a better idea for it.
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<Lns>
vagrantc: ah, ok. I was just thinking, in my situations anyway, say a school with lots of classrooms, it might look more clear if it said "Log in as Room12" (if the un was Room12 that is).. but it's kinda moot i guess
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<vagrantc>
Lns: yeah, i've been thinking about soemthing like that too
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the default text is a little confusing
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i hate "click here" sort of things... but "click here to login into a guest account"
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would be a little more explicit.
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<Lns>
sure
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<Lns>
how about an lts.conf option to define your own?
16:09* Lns is starting to see that an ltsconf.d directory might seem nice in larger installations =)
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<vagrantc>
yeah, that's definitely an easy way to handle it
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yeah, ltsconf.d would be nice.
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<Lns>
as long as it doesn't muck up the interface
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<Lns>
i guess the button would have a default width..?
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<vagrantc>
not sure if the button is statically placed or sized or something
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<vagrantc>
that's a hack i could probably write in pretty easily
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<vagrantc>
LDM_GUESTLOGIN_TEXT
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<Lns>
sure
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anyway, just passing thoughts =)
16:14* vagrantc shares some of those passing thoughts
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<vagrantc>
having someone else thinking them too helps motivate me to actually try it
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<Gadi>
"Guest Login" seems plain to me
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:)
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<vagrantc>
as in plain is good?
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<Gadi>
and then a comment in the status field: "Logging in as <username>...."
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once pressed
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<vagrantc>
ooooh
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<Lns>
spicy
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<Gadi>
one for the money, two for the show
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<vagrantc>
i think we'd have to refactor the code, as the greeter doesn't actually have the code that determines the username
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as it uses the same code as autologin, which doesn't even call the greeter
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<Gadi>
in that case, the status is extra credit
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just call the button "Guest Login"
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<Gadi>
have a good weekend, all
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<Lumiere>
hi all... I just worked with Gadi to get to a better error
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I now have a connection issue
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Error Connect connection refused
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mounting rofs on root rofs failed
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and I drop to busybox
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<vagrantc>
sounds like /etc/inetd.conf doesn't have an entry for nbdrootd
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<Lumiere>
ok
16:23
how do I add it :)
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<vagrantc>
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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<Lumiere>
I see 3 lines
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just uncomment?
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<vagrantc>
they're all commented out?
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<Lumiere>
yea
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swapd, rootd and rootd
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<vagrantc>
you'll probably want the nbdrootd and nbdswapd ones uncommented ... not sure what the 3rd is
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<Lumiere>
9572,2000,2001
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<vagrantc>
ah.
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ah.
16:25
<Lumiere>
and 2000 should serve i386
16:25
<vagrantc>
what's the difference between 2000 and 2001 ?
16:25
<Lumiere>
one is i386 the other is amd64
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<vagrantc>
got it.
16:25
yeah, set 2000 to i386.
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and once you've uncommented them: sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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<Lumiere>
done
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rebooting single client
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<vagrantc>
that should help...
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at least get yu a different error :)
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<Lumiere>
btw, gadi had me disable /etc/rc*.d/nbd-server
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which likely is why it did that XD
16:26
ok got a login screen
16:27
time to move to step 2
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reconnect the switch
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and start the rest up
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<vagrantc>
the inetd entries are separate from the /etc/*.d/nbd-server stuff
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<Lumiere>
yea I know
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the reason I had that error
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was Gadi had me shut down the nbd-server
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<vagrantc>
manually configured nbd-server?
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<Lumiere>
I think it was running as a service
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<vagrantc>
yeah, we have better luck with running nbd-server from inetd
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it's a lot more flexible that way
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<Lumiere>
thank you very much
16:31
we seem to be back up
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<vagrantc>
good good
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<Ahmuck_>
from time to time, we'll let kids on the primary server (unknown to them) and occasionally rather than log out, log them in as guest.
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one of our students was using firefox under this scenario, and "suspended" the machine, shutting down the entire ltsp network.
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this is not expected behaviour, ubuntu 9.04 ltsp server
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<Ryan52>
so don't give the guest user sudo access?
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:
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P
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<Ryan52>
how did they do it? what button/command/whatever?
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<Ahmuck_>
logout button, suspend
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on guest account
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i'm not sure why the guest account is there
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so, log in as regular user, then switch user to guest account, then logout section and suspend
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<Ahmuck_>
heh, you don't need to be anything but a normal user to suspend the entire system
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<Ryan52>
hm...that's dumb. maybe ask in #ubuntu, it's not totally LTSP specific, tho it kinda is. anyway, it might be a gnome setting or something.
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<Ahmuck_>
it's ltsp specific
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<Ahmuck_>
on a client, privileged user or unprivileged user, there are only two options, lock screen, and logout
18:55
on the server, all the options are available. shouldn't this be option based on user privileges?
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<rhce7320>
?
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<Ahmuck_>
how is wine handled in ltsp ?
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i've got a program id' like users to be able to use system wide
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<sunru>
?
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Ahmuck: people have been logging into X for quite some time without ltsp.
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<rhce7320>
Do LTSP-kiosk people lurk here or somewhere else?
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<Ahmuck_>
sunru ?
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<marks256>
i get a PXE-T01 file not found error when trying to boot my client. Using standard ubuntu install from alternative cd. any ideas?
23:02
is anyone active here?
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