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Channel log from 8 August 2014   (all times are UTC)

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02:32
<lcf_>
i have a problem i am new on ltsp project . i installer ubuntu server 64bit with ltsp. my client is booting on pxe after i got the ubuntu login screen i cannot login using my username and password.
02:33
what should i do? thanks
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09:45
<frank_____>
epoptes, sometime it doesn't start (says: file not found), but if I do a service epoptes restart all is fine. Does anybody how to fix this?
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10:03
<frank_____>
I have thin client with internal 1GB flash. Was wondering how I can enable local swap so to improve performance. Have I to fdisk each client as partition 82 then enable local swap in lts.conf?
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11:46
<map7>
alkisg, thanks for the information about the lts.conf file, it works in i386 (even though it's loading the amd64 image)
11:47
<alkisg>
You're welcome, do mention the solution in the ML as well.
11:47
You could also file a bug report, but I don't think anyone will work on that, because lts.conf will be mostly deprecated in ltsp6 anyway
11:47
<map7>
will do. This seems like a bug as it should look for that in my amd64 directory should it not?
11:47
<alkisg>
IPAPPEND is the issue, the client doesn't know the boot path because it doesn't do a dhcp request
11:48
So the solution would involve syslinux more than ltsp...
11:48
<map7>
ah ok.
11:48
so what is replacing lts.conf as I use that a lot at work
11:49
<alkisg>
ltspd, a deamon, to be designed, it's too early to give details
11:50
<Hyperbyt1>
alkisg, cool, can you give some details tonight then?
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11:51
<alkisg>
Sure! http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Ltspd
11:51
:P
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14:59
<cryptrat>
Hello, i have a question, can you have both normal thin clients and kiosk clients boot off the same server?
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<championofcyrod1>
cryptrat: yes. Make two separate images, and specify them via MAC address in your DHCPd conf
15:08
<cryptrat>
would you be able to specify them if you were using dnsmasq too?
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<||cw>
yes
15:24
<Hyperbyte>
Two images? You could just use one image and use lts.conf variables?
15:25
<championofcyrod1>
i wrongly assumed the kiosk client and thin clients were running diff. harward.
15:25
hardware*
15:25
like, i396 vs. amd64
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<championofcyrod1>
heh... s/396/386
15:26
wait... its i386 right? now that doesnt look right to me.
15:27
<Aetos>
hi :)
15:27
anybody here?
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<cryptrat>
yeah all i386
15:40
yeah one server for both thin and kiosk clients,
15:40
currently have thin clients using dnsmasq proxydhcp
15:46
<||cw>
what are you calling kiosk, exacty?
15:47
normally that's just a per-user config, can be the same image
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16:01* vagrantc notices that setting ltsp.FOO=bar at the ltsp boot prompt doesn't allow overriding FOO=baz set in lts.conf
16:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ltsp.SERVER=1.2.3.4... we need to read that before fetching lts.conf
16:10
Maybe we could parse the cmdline again, a second time, after we parse lts.conf
16:10
Or, we could change the lts.conf parsing logic so that it doesn't override existing variables
16:11
||cw: kiosk is usually a screen script, per machine, executed with no logins involved
16:11
cryptrat: you just need to specify [pc01] SCREEN_07=kiosk and [pc02] SCREEN_07=ldm
16:11
In lts.conf... no need for 2 images
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: parsing it a second time seems like the simplest thing to do
16:15
even though it seems a bit ugly
16:16
alkisg: did you turn translations back on?
16:16
<alkisg>
We can also create a temp file, /run/ltsp/cmdline, and just source it
16:16
...a second time
16:16
In case some other script needs future access to the command line as well
16:16
I don't remember, let me check...
16:17
<vagrantc>
i think we already do that sort of thing
16:17
the ltsp_config_env_cache or whatever
16:17
<alkisg>
Not for kernel command line
16:17
<vagrantc>
yes, but the infrastructure is there
16:18
<alkisg>
It's just an echo + a redirect, I don't think we need anything fancy...
16:18
# export LTSP variables
16:18
export "$var"="$value"
16:18
==> we add an echo there
16:19
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+translations-settings ==> enabled
16:19
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+translations-settings ==> disabled
16:19
I think we didn't ever stop ltsp translations...
16:20
Only the ldm had the frequent commits issue
16:20
Maybe the template does need an update though
16:21
I think it needs an update on each release
16:21
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, came to the same conclusion with the echo on the ltsp.* variables
16:22
<alkisg>
ltsp.pot: "Project-Id-Version: ltsp 5.4.4\n"
16:22
I think that when this is out of date, the commits are frequent
16:22
And it needs to be updated on each release
16:23
I.e. every time release.conf is changed, ltsp.pot should be updated too
16:23
<vagrantc>
i'm wondering if it shouln't be: echo export "$var"="$value" vs. echo "$var"="$value"
16:23
ugh.
16:23
is that what it is.
16:23
alkisg: but that hasn't obviously been updated in ages.
16:24
<alkisg>
I'd prefer the plain "echo", and anyone who wants them in the environment, would run `set -a` before sourcing them
16:24
<vagrantc>
and it hasn't been generating spam commits.
16:24
alkisg: but sourcing lts.conf defaults to export
16:24
<alkisg>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2565
16:24
<vagrantc>
or rather, they're exported by default in lts.conf
16:25
<alkisg>
vagrantc: check set_lts_var
16:25
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, awesome.
16:25
<alkisg>
if [ -n "$val" ]; then
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export "$var"="$val"
16:25
echo "$var=\"$val\"" >> ${ltsp_config_env}
16:25
I.e. no "export" written in the cache files
16:25
<vagrantc>
sure, just wonder if that's a mistake
16:25
<alkisg>
We can follow suit, I think it's the best thing to do
16:26
<vagrantc>
it's inconsistant with eval $(getltscfg -a)
16:26
<alkisg>
I think that lts.conf sourcing is a bit evil...
16:26
It shouldn't run eval, it shouldn't have "export" etc
16:26
We don't want variables in the environment by default
16:26
<vagrantc>
fair enough
16:26
<alkisg>
We should only want them as shell variables, not as environment variables
16:26
<vagrantc>
not true in the case of LDM
16:27
<alkisg>
Because when we spawn commands, they inherit them
16:27
We shouldn't want spawned programs to have e.g. 20 LTSP* variables in their environment, I don't think it makes sense
16:27
And actually I was thinking about that yesterday,
16:27
for the future, e.g. ltsp6+, I'd like to suggest:
16:28
<vagrantc>
i hear what you're saying, but that's not how it's been for ages, and some of our programs depend on it.
16:28
<alkisg>
local_variable
16:28
ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLE
16:28
Sorry
16:28
local_variable, VARIABLE_FOR_ALL_SHELL_SCRIPTS, LTSP_ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLE
16:28
I.e. that variables in CAPS are not in the environment, but are available for all sourced ltsp scripts,
16:29
and that variables that start with LTSP, are exported in the environment
16:29
Anyway, that's for future chat
16:29
<vagrantc>
sure
16:30
<alkisg>
For ltsp6, we'll change lts.conf to ltspd, so we'll be free to discard the "eval" logic there
16:30
So we can omit the exports from there too
16:30* vagrantc pushed the ltsp.ltsconf=lts-alternate.conf and set all lts.* variables in /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config commits
16:30
<vagrantc>
right
16:33
<alkisg>
Hrm... well, since we started that chat... why not make ltspd directives lowercase? That way we won't have to care for namespace collisions
16:33
E.g. fat_client=True, or even FatClient=True, if we want :D
16:33
Only the ones exported in the environment need to be upppercased
16:34
LTSP_CLIENT_MAC etc
16:34
But usually those are set from our scripts, not from lts.conf
16:35* vagrantc should've gotten those commits pushed to ltsp 5.5.2 ...
16:35* vagrantc balks at CamelCase!
16:36
<vagrantc>
alkisg: depends on if we'll be re-using any variable names/code
16:36
alkisg: but developing more consistancy there would be good.
16:36
main thing seems to be figuring out a way to get the impetus to actually work on it... :(
16:37
<alkisg>
True... I think we should first accept that it's mostly upon the 2 of us to do it, and program when to do it... :-/
16:38
We tried many times to "get momentum", I don't think we need to wait any longer
16:41
<vagrantc>
that might be the case
17:09* alkisg is reading https://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/shell.xml ...
17:10
<alkisg>
E.g. "Executables should have no extension (strongly preferred) or a .sh extension. Libraries must have a .sh extension and should not be executable."
17:12
<vagrantc>
sounds right to me, except for the libraries having .sh
17:13
<alkisg>
"Indentation is two spaces. Whatever you do, don't use tabs. " Hehe
17:16
<vagrantc>
so, what's with lts.conf only being checked in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ? is that most likely due to proxydhcp?
17:16
i.e. amd64 host still checks for i386/lts.conf ?
17:16
i see it's the default when no filename is found via dhcp
17:17
<alkisg>
./client/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/05-getltsconffile: tftp "$SERVER" -c get ${pathonly:-/ltsp/i386/}lts.conf $lts_conf_temp >/dev/null
17:17
<vagrantc>
right
17:17
<alkisg>
We can use $ARCH there if we want a more sane default
17:17
<vagrantc>
seems like it would be better.
17:18
obviously long-term, this all goes away
17:18
<alkisg>
I don't know if we have ARCH at that point though
17:18
Yup
17:19
<vagrantc>
looks like gentoo does it
17:19
detect_arch
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<alkisg>
...and that's basically the only reason they're overriding 05-getltsconffile ?!
17:22
Ah, mv doesn't work with bind-mounts too
17:24
<vagrantc>
seems like we could put $(detect_arch) in there...
17:25
<alkisg>
Yup, sounds good
17:27
<vagrantc>
it'll probably be slightly slower, calling dpkg
17:29
gentoo uses amd64 and not x86_64 ? huh.
17:30* alkisg wonders if pxelinux always puts initrd=/path/to/initrd in the cmdline, we could use that one then, it'd even be better
17:35
<vagrantc>
i do seem to recall actually specifying the lts.conf in dhcp differently
17:35
so the initramfs dhcp request would actually be configurable
17:36
<alkisg>
proxydhcp doesn't do a dhcp request at the initramfs stage though
17:36
But if one has a chroot called "fat123", he'd probably want lts.conf inside fat123 as well, not in i386
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<vagrantc>
true that
17:40
i was thinking to extend ltsp.ltsconf to actually specify a full path as well
17:40
but maybe deriving it from the initrd is even better.
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17:43
<dudaubuntu>
Hi
17:44
i need help
17:44
<vagrantc>
!ask | echo dudaubuntu
17:44
<ltsp>
dudaubuntu ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
17:45
<dudaubuntu>
Ok
17:45
My english isn't well...
17:46
ubuntu winboot wubildr.mbr
17:46
Archivo: \ubuntu\winboot\wubildr.mbr Estado: 0xc0000007b
17:46
how can i solve this problem?
17:46
now i download again the iso
17:46
<alkisg>
dudaubuntu: are you on the correct channel? This is for LTSP, are you using LTSP?
17:47
<dudaubuntu>
because i think that the other download maybe is damaged..
17:47
how can i change the channel?
17:47
<alkisg>
Type this: /j #ubuntu-es
17:48
Or: /join #ubuntu-es
17:48
<dudaubuntu>
where?
17:48
<alkisg>
Here where you type things
17:48
<dudaubuntu>
is my first time in irc chat
17:48
<alkisg>
It's a command to your irc client, it tells it to join another channel
17:49
<dudaubuntu>
#ubuntu-es
17:50
<alkisg>
You didn't write /join in front
17:50
type this:
17:50
/join #ubuntu-es
17:50
<dudaubuntu>
thank you very much
17:50
<alkisg>
No problem
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<vagrantc>
dudaubuntu: that is the spanish channel for ubuntu. i hope that's what you want.
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18:50
<cryptrat>
how do i set an ltsp kiosk user?
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<vagrantc>
cryptrat: the kiosk user is automatically created at run time
19:03
it's run on the client itself, and when you power of the client, it goes away.
19:09
<cryptrat>
well i did alkisg said and set screen_07=kiosk and when i boot the client all i get is the error message no ltspkiosk user
19:09
that keeps repeating down the screen
19:13
<vagrantc>
could you pastebin the output of "ltsp-info"?
19:13
!pastebin | echo cryptrat
19:13
<ltsp>
cryptrat pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<vagrantc>
huh
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the fuse group went away?
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
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ltspfs isn't working too well in newish distros
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<cryptrat>
http://pastebin.com/3gdQ8tZ3
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<vagrantc>
cryptrat: ah, the autocreation of users was introduced in a newer version of ltsp
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seems to have been added in ltsp 5.4.1
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<cryptrat>
ah
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i tried the LDM_AUTOLOGIN and that didn't work, so i guess i have to figure out how to create the ltspkiosk user
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<vagrantc>
i think there were instructions in the screen script comments.
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i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/kiosk
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<cryptrat>
yeah there appears to be thanks
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is the kiosk dependent on that script, then couldn't i just modify it to the user i want to use?
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<vagrantc>
cryptrat: you are free to do as you wish.
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<cryptrat>
now i have an odd error, i went to update the i386 image and get an error: skipping invalid chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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<cryptrat>
i think that i know what i did, i started following the ltsp web kiosk w/ chromium that has you create an image and use --purge-chroot... gues i shouldn't have don that
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<cryptrat>
well why that creates a new image, anyone familar with konica minolta printers?
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