IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 January 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:26 | <lipinski> Having a new problem with LTSP. Well, it's not related to LSTP per se, but happening on clients
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| 00:26 | Every once in a while a client will "crash" and the user will have to log in again.
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| 00:26 | This started happening once I upgraded the server from Ubuntu 10.04 to 11.10
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| 00:27 | I see this in syslog of the server:
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| 00:27 | Gdk-WARNING: gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server
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| 04:51 | <ba> hey there! anybody suffered from sound being lost after a couple of seconds of playing?
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| 04:51 | or when you pause/unpause the song?
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| 04:51 | ;(
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| 06:14 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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| 06:14 | <ltsp`> vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <alkisg> It's usually recommented to install with the alternate cd, instead of the server cd, so that you don't have to do that manually
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| 06:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: howdy!
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc!
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| 06:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: how close is epoptes to release?
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> Everything is done, I'm translating to Greek, testing, and tagging
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| 06:22 | So probably a couple of hours?
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| 06:23 | * vagrantc sleeps in 1.5 hours | |
| 06:24 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'll try to do it in 1, then :) Thanks man
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| 06:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i worried we got confused about what "tomorrow" meant, given our timezone difference :)
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no... Phantomas was supposed to have finished 2 nights ago so that I would push the changes yesterday,
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| 06:26 | but he had some work at the university and only pushed his part yesterday... that's why the delay :-/
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| 06:26 | Sorry!
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| 06:27 | <vagrantc> no worries,, just knew i wouldn't have much time tomorrow
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| 06:27 | and knew it would be good to get it uploaded
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> I'll have it ready in an hour though, so if you could upload it then, it'd be great
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| 06:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I shouldn't upload as native, right? epoptes (0.4.0) unstable; urgency=low
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| 06:44 | Better this instead: epoptes (0.4.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
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| 06:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes.
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| 06:45 | the latter
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> And, unstable, not testing, correct?
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| 06:45 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> Ty
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| 06:53 | <muppis> How stable that really is? Can I suggest it to customer?
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| 06:56 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ready
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| 06:57 | muppis: we've been using it in schools for 2 years now, it's stable. The only not-heavily-tested part is the encryption part... which is why we ended up having certificates expiring after 1 month :D
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| 06:57 | (the encryption was only implemented 2 months ago)
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| 06:58 | Version 0.4.0, which will be published in a couple of days, will be the version included in the next debian + ubuntu versions, with only minor changes (vinagre support + translations)
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| 06:59 | <muppis> Sounds good.
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| 07:01 | <alkisg> Just don't install version 0.3.x, which has the certificate problems, wait some days until 0.4.0 is published
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| 07:04 | <muppis> ok
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| 07:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ready to upload, eh?
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup
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| 07:22 | * alkisg also updated the news in epoptes.org, put a section in the installation page about manually updating the openssl certificate, if someone ever needs that, and requested builds for the epoptes stable ppa. Next I'll send a call for translators and add support for vinagre - for the next upload of course. | |
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> stgraber, vagrantc: it's possible to replace xvnc4viewer with vinagre in epoptes, for student monitoring, but it's not possible to replace it in epoptes-client, where it's used for receiving the broadcasted teacher screen
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| 08:02 | I'll do it for epoptes, Depends: xvnc4viewer | vinagre, and prefer to use vinagre if it exist just for the tabbed interface
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| 08:02 | But it won't be removed from the edubuntu DVD, as it's still an epoptes-client dependency
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| 08:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: weird... lintian fails, but without any errors :(
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> It fails?!
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| 08:17 | vagrantc: btw in http://lintian.debian.org/full/epoptes@lists.launchpad.net.html#epoptes I've seen some warnings that I don't see when I do a local debuild
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| 08:18 | I got rid of "W script-not-executable", and I suppose we'll automatically get rid of "P experimental-to-unstable-without-comment" too, but I haven't looked into fixing the others
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the latter will just go away since we're not uploading to experimental anymore
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| 08:36 | * alkisg is reading http://lintian.debian.org/tags/python-depends-but-no-python-helper.html ... | |
| 08:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: unless you'd rather fix more, i'll upload commit 140
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no let the others for the next release with vinagre + translations too
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| 08:39 | <vagrantc> it's got a silent lintian error (hopefully a bug in lintian)
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> I'll work on those today, but you gotta get to bed sometime soon, so don't wait for those...
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| 08:39 | <vagrantc> normally lintian tells you why it's got an error ...
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> Maybe it's one of the experimental tags, like the one above
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| 08:40 | <vagrantc> and uploading...
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| 08:41 | alkisg: no, it's acting as though there are Errors, but all i see are pedantic and informational notices
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| 08:41 | so, something's weirrd, and maybe the upload won't be accepted... never seen this before
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> Hmmm... well, we'll see
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| 08:42 | Where can I see the status of the upload?
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| 08:42 | <vagrantc> alkisg: should be getting a mail about it shortly
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> Thanks again for everything vagrantc
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| 08:46 | <vagrantc> alkisg: check http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/epoptes.html or "rmadison epoptes" or http://incoming.debian.org
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| 08:50 | alkisg: got the accepted mail ... so keeping track with the above should keep you posted...
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 08:55 | Erm... can I abuse the channel a bit and ask what this means? :D "Tonight we gon' be it on the floor" (http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/j/jennifer_lopez/on_the_floor.html)
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| 08:55 | gon' == going to? "be it" == ?!
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| 09:14 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, that is a bad song and you should feel bad.
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I do feel bad... because I lost a bet about it, a friend said "that's what the lyrics say" and I told him no way, that's not English, it's a syntax error...
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| 09:15 | I found a couple of pages in google saying "gonna be hit" instead of "gon' be it"... that would make more sense
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| 09:15 | We listen to it on the gym, I never listen to pop music myself :)
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| 09:16 | * alkisg prefers hard rock or even heavier | |
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| 10:14 | <muppis> Hard rock halleluja...
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| 10:33 | <khildin> hey all.... Is it possible to create multiple chroots so you can have different thin client images, that will be distributed on basis of user or group, IP or hardwareaddress?? For instance with different windowmanagers and different applications....
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| 10:34 | or any other solution to accomplish different client distribution?
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> khildin: thin client images usually don't contain applications
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| 10:42 | The applications are installed on the server
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| 10:42 | Are you using localapps or fat clients?
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| 10:43 | <khildin> just thinking of concepts...
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| 10:43 | for instance if I want to have a unity and a xfce desktop served by LTSP....
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> khildin: yesterday fiberglasscivic1 was asking the same question, you can read the logs at http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2012-01-16 - from 07:28 and on
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| 10:44 | <khildin> and fat clients to lower resources on server
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> To have unity and xfce desktop for thin clients, you install them on the server
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| 10:44 | No need for multiple images
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| 10:45 | Same for fat clients too, but you just install them in the chroot
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| 10:45 | <khildin> can you default per group or user to a certain GUI?
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| 10:45 | or is that IP/Mac only?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Err sorry I mean 2 days ago, user VectorX: http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2012-01-15
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| 10:46 | Users can set their own preferences, not related to LTSP
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| 10:46 | You can also set by ip/mac
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| 10:47 | $ cat /home/alkisg/.dmrc
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| 10:47 | [Desktop]
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| 10:47 | Session=default
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| 10:47 | Language=el_GR.utf8
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| 10:47 | ...
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| 10:47 | That's where the session preferences are saved
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| 10:47 | <khildin> clear... thnx
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| 10:52 | <khildin> bottomline: I'll be better off using menueditor or Sabayon Profile manager than thinkering with multiple client images...
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| 14:17 | <stgraber> alkisg: what's the issue when used for the broadcasting? is it because you can't have it wait without showing a window?
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> stgraber: for broadcasting, we want the student to be unable to close the broadcasted window
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Also we're running that as root, from inside the chroot, to be able to broadcast without logging in
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| 14:20 | So if we were to install vinagre in the ltsp chroot, it would pull in many dependencies, gconf, avahi, udisks, etc
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| 14:23 | Btw, if someone has both vinagre and xvnc4viewer installed, and prefers to use vinagre with epoptes, all he has to do is launch vinagre and enable reverse connections before monitoring a student
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> (i.e. any vncviewer -listen will do, the first one to listen to port 5500 will be used)
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| 14:25 | So maybe we don't even need to do anything to "support" vinagre, if we can't avoid installing xvnc4viewer anyway
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| 14:30 | <stgraber> alkisg: is epoptes-client using vncviewer in client mode or for reverse connections?
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| 14:31 | (I'm trying to see if we can maybe use gvncviewer instead which is built using the same library as vinagre)
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> stgraber: For reverse connections, the teacher listens to 5500, and the students run vncviewer -connect server:5500
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| 14:34 | alkisg 25261 13.0 0.5 117632 15340 pts/2 Sl+ 16:34 0:02 gvncviewer localhost
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| 14:34 | ==> it takes toooooo much ram
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| 14:35 | <stgraber> alkisg: hmm, ok. I guess for now you can stick with xvnc4viewer + x11vnc, for 12.10, it might be interesting to look into having both client and server use the same vnc library and have that library in main so if something bad happens we'll get security updates for it
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> alkisg 25496 3.1 0.2 9120 6304 pts/3 S+ 16:35 0:00 xvnc4viewer localhost
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| 14:37 | Sure, we were planning to use a vnc library any way (I think the same that remmina uses)
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| 14:38 | <stgraber> alkisg: can you create a wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com explaining the choice of x11vnc and xvnc4viewer including these memory measurements and comparison with the alternatives?
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| 14:38 | alkisg: that'll be useful if the Technical Board asks again about vnc being in our seeds :)
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> I'll see if I can get some time to do that later today. :)
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| 14:40 | <stgraber> alkisg: thanks!
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> np, thank you too. bbl.
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| 16:27 | <nubae> hello again... still stuck with the openchrome issue, just want an opinion, should I open a reopen the launchpad ticket or compile closed sourced driver for VIA openchrome in fatclient chroot?
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| 16:29 | <Ctek> Can someone please tell me how to make a client auto mount a network share on user login ? Thank you in advance
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| 16:29 | <nubae> Ctek, try messing with nfs
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| 16:29 | or is share required for windows too?
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| 16:30 | <Ctek> The home folders are alreadey mounted via nfs
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| 16:30 | <nubae> so then it should be done
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| 16:30 | <Ctek> no, this is a linux-linux setup
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| 16:30 | I also need to mount other shares Ex: like Public, Docs, etc
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| 16:31 | <nubae> perhaps u just want to create the relevant folders and link to the share
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| 16:31 | <Ctek> and i do not think that nfs is ok for this
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| 16:31 | <nubae> nfs creates the shares, on client side, u should just be able to link folders to those locations
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| 16:31 | <Ctek> can you explain a little ?
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| 16:32 | <nubae> inside folder explorer on right hand side, create folders
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| 16:32 | <Ctek> what do you mean to create the folders and link the share ?
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| 16:32 | <nubae> link them to nfs shares
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| 16:33 | point the folders at the shares
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| 16:33 | either through terminal ln -s
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| 16:33 | or windows based
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| 16:33 | <Ctek> ah... to create links... :)
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| 16:34 | sorry i was thinking to something else
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| 16:34 | Let me explain the setup that i have
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| 16:35 | I have a LTSP server with LDAP and i have created fat-client images
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| 16:35 | On the same server i have some shares that i need them to be mounted at user login
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| 16:35 | <nubae> ah, thats an LDAP thing
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| 16:35 | <Ctek> the shares are done with samba not exported
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| 16:36 | <nubae> and samba
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| 16:36 | thought u said it was nfs
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| 16:36 | <Ctek> The homes are exported and mounted correctly
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| 16:36 | this is done via NFS export
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| 16:36 | <nubae> so do the same for the shares u want exported
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| 16:37 | <Ctek> hm... and this will be done automatic for each user login on the fat client ?
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| 16:37 | <nubae> sorry been a while since I did a samba/ldap setup
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| 16:37 | yes
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| 16:37 | fatclient is a single image
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| 16:38 | <Ctek> super :) I have little-to-none experience with HFS
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| 16:38 | NFS :)
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| 16:38 | <nubae> what u do in that image propogates to all usres
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| 16:38 | *I think*
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| 16:38 | <Ctek> yes you are correct but this rises another problem... regarding the rights for the shares ...
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| 16:38 | <nubae> nfs is far easier than samba and ldap
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| 16:38 | <Ctek> and limits me to nfs only enviroment
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| 16:39 | <nubae> yeah, but so what u have a linux only environment
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| 16:39 | ldap&samba seems overklill
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| 16:39 | <Ctek> :D
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| 16:39 | I come from a M$ enviroment ... old habits die hard...
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| 16:39 | <nubae> heheh
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| 16:40 | well kill them fast
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| 16:40 | simplicity and logic are king here
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| 16:40 | do u need encrypted environment?
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| 16:40 | <Ctek> :) then i need to se the NFS custom settings for the client,
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| 16:41 | no, i only need to use group's like rights
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| 16:41 | <nubae> easy stuff lots of stuff on the net regarding that
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| 16:41 | <nubae> great, well ltsp does that automatically
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| 16:41 | <Ctek> like this group of users uses this and that group uses y
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| 16:41 | <nubae> suggestion: stick to just nfs
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| 16:42 | right so use regular user and group unix rights
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| 16:42 | <Ctek> Nubae, Thank you ! you have been of great help.
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| 16:42 | I will start thinkering right away and be back later for some more :)
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| 16:42 | <nubae> anytime :)
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| 16:43 | <Ctek> One last question... is a simple way to generate/configure fat-client images ?? :) Like a gui tool ? :) because 1 H for each image is killing me
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| 16:44 | <nubae> not yet
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| 16:44 | its on the way
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| 16:44 | right now, u have to chroot in and do your stuff terminal based
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| 16:44 | but fatclients are the future... a gui will come soon enough
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| 16:45 | <Ctek> :) hehe like i told you... old habits .... Lucky for me that i was playing with linux in parallel with MS for all this years :D
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| 16:45 | so i'm not so scared of cli :)
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| 16:46 | Thx. again
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| 16:46 | <nubae> yeah... have an 'apprentice' that is scared to death of the cli
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| 16:46 | <Ctek> :))
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| 16:47 | <nubae> trying to lead him into a job I'm leaving... slowly, hes getting confidence, but the terminal really seems like a monster
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| 16:47 | to him
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| 16:48 | for me its windows that terrifies me
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| 16:48 | <Ctek> :( too bad for him. From my experience the linux has made me understand computers since '97 :)
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| 16:48 | <nubae> yeah hes going through that enlightenment period right now
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| 16:49 | he enjoys it though
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| 16:49 | <Ctek> I'm skeptic about the new win 8 and so i decidet to migrate completly to Linux
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| 16:49 | so the basic stuf is to my home then to the office and then the world :)))
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| 16:49 | just kidding :)
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| 16:50 | <nubae> nice..
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| 16:50 | u shouldnt be kidding :p
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| 16:51 | <Ctek> ufff... that darn image does not compile faster...
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| 16:51 | <nubae> nope, its fat
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| 16:51 | <Ctek> i have added a line to use cache packages but it's still slow...
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| 16:52 | <nubae> u using local package cache
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| 16:52 | <Ctek> Yea i set to keep packages in cache
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| 16:52 | <nubae> hmmm weird should be faster
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| 16:52 | <Ctek> so i think it is reusing them
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| 16:53 | <nubae> there might be another setting to reupdate cache
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| 16:53 | <Ctek> hm...
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| 16:53 | here is the line i use : ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --base /opt/ltsp --chroot fat-i386 --keep-packages --install-debs-dir /opt/ltsp/addon_packages --early-mirror http://ftp.roedu.net/mirrors/ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu --install-debs-dir /opt/ltsp/addon_packages --purge-chroot --prompt-rootpass
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| 16:54 | <nubae> why early images_
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| 16:54 | <Ctek> i'm not so sure about addon folder ... but i'l have to wait and see
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| 16:54 | <nubae> sorry early mirror
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| 16:55 | <Ctek> beacause the server's default points to a slower mirror
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| 16:55 | <nubae> ok
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| 16:55 | cool makes sense
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| 16:55 | <Ctek> so i'm forcing it to take precedence over that
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| 16:55 | <nubae> u have install-debs-dir 2 times btw
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| 16:55 | <Ctek> ??
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| 16:56 | RIGHT !
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| 16:56 | oh... so stuppid of me .... :((
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| 16:56 | maybe the interpreter will overlook this :D and continue :)
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> Ctek: have a look at the --mount-package-cache option, it's much faster + easier to use
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| 16:56 | <nubae> also dont need arch or base
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| 16:57 | what alkisg said
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| 16:57 | <Ctek> hm... can you explain a little this option
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| 16:57 | <nubae> beats--keep-packages
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client --extra-help | grep mount-package-cache
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| 16:57 | <Ctek> aha...
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> --mount-package-cache mount package cache dir from server
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| 16:57 | That's /var/cache/apt/archives
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| 16:58 | <Ctek> yea but the server is different than the client
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| 16:58 | <nubae> try it
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> The arch doesn't matter, it's just cache
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| 16:58 | <nubae> might be faster
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| 16:58 | <Ctek> does interfear with the client ?
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| 16:58 | ah, ok you are right.
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> Put any .debs you have there, at that folder, so that apt will find them
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| 16:58 | I.e. move your existing package cache dir to there
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| 16:58 | <Ctek> let me add this to the script. 2 sec
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> And it's better to use the configuration file, not the command line
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| 16:59 | !fatclients
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| 16:59 | <ltsp`> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> More organized, more options, you can have comments, you can preseed stuff, etc
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| 17:00 | <nubae> still if he understands the current command
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| 17:00 | dont change
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| 17:00 | <Ctek> I have looked into that documentation for a while now. I didn't see all of it :)
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| 17:00 | i still have loads to read :D
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| 17:00 | <nubae> stick to what u understand ctek
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| 17:00 | alkisg is a veteran guru
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| 17:01 | he forgets what its like when u are starting out :-p
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| 17:01 | <Ctek> I'm shure you all have lot's of experience :) i'm just learning now about fat-clients
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| 17:02 | <nubae> ure doing fine
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| 17:02 | <Ctek> The precious experience that i had was to export a live-cd over pxe. But that's not quite the way to do LTSP :)
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| 17:03 | alkisg: I had that option enabled from ltsp-build-client.conf, Thanx for the input anyway
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| 17:04 | it uses the server's cache folder
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> If you use --keep-packages etc, you still copy the files, moving gigabytes around, delaying the process
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| 17:05 | <nubae> right use the other option
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| 17:05 | <Ctek> ah... so this is the bottleneck
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| 17:05 | <nubae> --mount-package-cache
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| 17:05 | <Ctek> ok i'll remove the --keep-packages since i already use the server's cache
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| 17:06 | <Ctek> That's very good knoledge since that will basicaly cancel the cache....
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| 17:08 | Thanks you Nubae, Alkisg. I'll start to thiker now and be back later with results :) Thanks!
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> stgraber: http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/vnc
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| 17:13 | If you think more are needed, I can write some more :)
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| 17:16 | <stgraber> alkisg: looks good, thanks
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| 19:19 | <lipinski> Having problems with Xorg crashing on LTSP client. Anyone that can help?
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| 19:19 | I was able to capture syslog on the client when it occurred.
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> Graphics card (lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA on the client) and client RAM?
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| 19:21 | <lipinski> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics [1106:3122] (rev 03)
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| 19:21 | Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics [1106:3122]
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| 19:21 | Kernel modules: vt8623fb, viafb
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| 19:21 | Based on top, 256MB
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| 19:23 | From dump in syslog, definitely looks like it running out of memory.
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| 19:23 | ....
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| 19:23 | Jan 17 21:38:02 ltsp57 kernel: [22377.487263] Out of memory: Kill process 1858 (Xorg) score 612 or sacrifice child
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| 19:23 | ...
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> lipinski: then start with enabling NBD_SWAP, and if you're using ubuntu, you may also want to disable compcache to free up 25% RAM
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| 19:25 | <lipinski> yes, ubuntu
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> !nocompcache
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| 19:25 | <ltsp`> alkisg: nocompcache: compcache is a module that compresses 25% of the client RAM and uses it as swap space. In LTSP we have NBD_SWAP though, so it's better to disable compcache by putting nocompcache as a kernel parameter in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 19:26 | <lipinski> ok - I'll try that. Thanks.
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> lipinski: don't try it without enabling NBD_SWAP first
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| 19:26 | This will then give you less RAM, not more
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| 19:26 | <lipinski> right, or I'd be crashing more ofter/faster.
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 19:41 | <lipinski> alkisg: Thx. We'll see if this stabilizes the client...
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| 19:42 | top reports 0 swap, though. Is that okay?
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> No
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| 19:42 | <lipinski> uh-oh
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> $ free
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| 19:43 | total used free shared buffers cached
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| 19:43 | Swap: 1048568 0 1048568
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| 19:43 | You should have something in total swap
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| 19:43 | getltscfg -a => see if NBD_SWAP is on
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| 19:44 | <lipinski> yep:
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| 19:44 | NBD_SWAP="True"
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> check your server then... which ubuntu version is that?
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| 19:44 | <lipinski> 11.10
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> grep swap /etc/inetd.conf
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| 19:45 | <lipinski> The new bane of my existence
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| 19:45 | 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> sudo netstat -nap | grep 9572
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| 19:46 | <lipinski> yep, inetd listening
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| 19:46 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9572 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1297/inetd
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> What shell do you have on the client? Root or user?
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| 19:46 | (local shell)
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| 19:47 | <lipinski> I'm ssh-ed in as admin, then sudo -s to root shell
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| 19:47 | free is showing 0 swap also
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> nbd-client server 9572 /dev/nbd1 -swap
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| 19:48 | Does this produce any error?
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| 19:48 | <lipinski> # nbd-client server 9572 /dev/nbd1 -swap
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| 19:48 | Negotiation: ..size = 256MB
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| 19:48 | bs=1024, sz=268435456 bytes
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| 19:48 | # echo $?
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| 19:48 | 0
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> mkswap /dev/nbd1
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| 19:49 | swapon /dev/nbd1
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| 19:49 | <lipinski> mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40 KiB
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> Erm what? Isn't it 256 MB? :)
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| 19:50 | <lipinski> Not that it matters, but client is i386 whereas server is amd64
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| 19:51 | yes, nbd-client reported 256MB. I also set 256MB on server in /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf
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| 19:51 | <alkisg> Try again with nbd2. First nbd-client etc, then mkswap
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| 19:51 | /dev/nbd2
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| 19:52 | <lipinski> same error on mkswap
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| 19:52 | iptables ?
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Why would it negotiate succesfully then?
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| 19:53 | <lipinski> no, I'm allowing everything.
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| 19:53 | (in iptables)
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> Yoe: any ideas? ^
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| 19:56 | lipinski: dd if=/dev/nbd1 of=/dev/null
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| 19:56 | Does that read 256mb?
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| 19:56 | <lipinski> nope - 0
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| 19:57 | ndb-client have any hidden debug options?
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> You're using nbd to serve the chroot, right?
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| 19:57 | Not nfs...
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| 19:57 | (the default in ubuntu is nbd)
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| 19:57 | <lipinski> as far as I know.
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> OK, let's get back on the server then and see if it managed to create that swap file
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| 19:58 | Maybe it doesn't have access somewhere
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| 19:58 | <lipinski> I see it created one. It may have been from when I attempted nbd-client with persist option
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| 19:59 | Each call to nbd-client should create a new swap file?
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> Each connection to server:9572, so yes, each such nbd-client call
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| 19:59 | <lipinski> interesting - files are appearing and disappearing
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| 20:00 | it's like it's creating a new one every few seconds
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> What do you have in /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd ?
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| 20:00 | .conf ?
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| 20:00 | <lipinski> SIZE=256
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| 20:00 | that's it
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| 20:01 | here we go. /var/log/syslog on server:
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| 20:01 | Jan 17 15:01:14 WLserver nbd_server[13558]: connect from 192.168.106.57, assigned file is /tmp/tmp.dm45lie9Pa
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| 20:01 | Jan 17 15:01:14 WLserver nbd_server[13558]: Size of exported file/device is 268435456
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| 20:01 | Jan 17 15:01:14 WLserver nbd_server[13558]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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| 20:01 | Jan 17 15:01:14 WLserver nbd_server[13558]: Exiting.
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> What file system are you using on the server? And, does it have enough free space there in /tmp ?
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| 20:02 | <lipinski> ext4
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| 20:02 | plenty - 23G avail
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/swaptest bs=1024k count=0 seek=64
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| 20:03 | ls -lha /tmp/swaptest
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| 20:03 | mkswap /tmp/swaptest
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| 20:04 | <lipinski> on server? worked
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> Yes on server
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| 20:04 | <lipinski> odd, though - dd showed 0 Bytes in/out
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> It's a sparse file
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| 20:04 | nbd-server 12345 /tmp/swaptest -C /dev/null
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> Then again on the client, nbd-client server 12345 /dev/nbd3 -swap
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| 20:05 | <lipinski> ok - looks good, some warnings but nbd-server is listeninng
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| 20:05 | Negotiation: ..size = 64MB
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> dd if=/dev/nbd3 of=/dev/null
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| 20:06 | <lipinski> that worked - 67MB copied
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> mkswap /dev/nbd3
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| 20:06 | swapon /dev/nbd3
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| 20:07 | free
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| 20:07 | <lipinski> worked
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> So the problem seems to be in making nbd-server listen on "0", which is stdio, to communicate with inetd..
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| 20:07 | Do you have anything weird in /etc/hosts.allow/deny?
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| 20:08 | <lipinski> allow only has nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 20:08 | deny is empty - except comments
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| 20:09 | did I need to restart anything on the server when I added NBD_SWAP to lts.conf?
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> No
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| 20:10 | In /usr/sbin/nbdswapd, change this line: PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH nbd-server 0 $SWAP $NBD_SERVER_OPTS -C /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1
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| 20:10 | ...to: PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH nbd-server 0 $SWAP $NBD_SERVER_OPTS -C /dev/null > /tmp/nbdswapd.output 2>&1
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| 20:10 | ...and then try again the nbd-client 9572 etc /dev/nbd4 this time
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| 20:11 | ...and let's see what goes in /tmp/nbdswapd.output
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| 20:12 | <lipinski> Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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| 20:12 | Actually:
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| 20:12 | Error: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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| 20:12 | Exiting.
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| 20:13 | I do see one /tmp file that "stuck" now...
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> lipinski: decrease the swap size to 64MB and try again
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| 20:15 | <lipinski> nope - same error
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| 20:16 | nbd-server when spawned by inet is running as nobody, yet my manual one (port 12345) is running as root
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> OK let's give that a try too... change inet.conf and run sudo service openbsd-inetd restart
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| 20:17 | Or, close your manual one and re-run it as nobody
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| 20:18 | 9572 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 20:19 | <lipinski> same thing
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> One way around it would be to run nbd-server without inetd in port 9572
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| 20:20 | <lipinski> ok - I'll try that.
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> I'd file a bug in nbd for that...
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| 20:21 | I suppose "Inappropriate ioctl for device" means the network, not the sparse file...
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| 20:22 | <lipinski> Noticed this in nbd-server/config:
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| 20:22 | [ltsp_i386]
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| 20:22 | exportname = /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 20:22 | readonly = true
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| 20:22 | IS that readonly=true okay?
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 20:22 | And that file isn't used for the swap server
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| 20:22 | It's another nbd-server instance
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| 20:22 | <lipinski> ok - wasn't sure if that was file-specific or a more general server option
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| 20:24 | <lipinski> ioctl error is on tmp file (from strace):
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| 20:24 | open("/tmp/tmp.g2SnwDV2Ul", O_RDWR) = 4
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| 20:24 | ioctl(4, BLKGETSIZE64, 0x7fff399c3ef8) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device)
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> lipinski: ah, ok, then try removing the "seek" in dd, to not make it a sparse file
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| 20:27 | in nbdswapd
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| 20:27 | dd if=/dev/zero of=$SWAP bs=1024k count=0 seek=$SIZE 2> /dev/null
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| 20:27 | would become
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| 20:28 | dd if=/dev/zero of=$SWAP bs=1024k count=$SIZE 2> /dev/null
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| 20:30 | <lipinski> nope - same problem
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> I think from that part on, it's nbd source debugging... I'd file a bug for that and just launch nbd-server without inetd to do my job in the meanwhile
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| 20:40 | <lipinski> ok - thanks so much for all the help.
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:40 | <lipinski> I can set the port and such in lts.conf, right?
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| 20:40 | NBD_SWAP_SERVER, NBD_PORT
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> nbd-client $NBD_SWAP_HOST $NBD_SWAP_PORT /dev/nbd${num}
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| 20:42 | NBD_SWAP_HOST=${NBD_SWAP_HOST:-"$SERVER"}
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| 20:42 | NBD_SWAP_PORT=${NBD_SWAP_PORT:-"9572"}
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| 20:42 | You can set those in lts.conf, right
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| 20:42 | <lipinski> perfect - thanks. I'll just start my own on a different port and set lts.conf.
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> And also we need to change "NBD_SWAP_SERVER" to "NBD_SWAP_HOST" in the docs :)
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc, hi, does this mean we need "adduser" in epoptes dependencies? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656117
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| 20:58 | stgraber: ping! $ rmadison -u debian epoptes
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| 20:58 | epoptes | 0.3.2-1 | wheezy | source, all
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| 20:58 | epoptes | 0.4.0-1 | sid | source, all
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| 20:59 | <stgraber> alkisg: syncpackage: Error: Debian version 0.4.0-1 does not exist!
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| 20:59 | <stgraber> alkisg: Launchpad doesn't know about it yet, will retry in a few hours
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| 20:59 | <alkisg> Ah, it might need some time to hit the archives
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| 20:59 | Thanks :)
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| 21:00 | <stgraber> alkisg: you're in edubuntu-dev right?
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 21:00 | Ah I can do it myself? Do tell...
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| 21:00 | <stgraber> alkisg: yep, I just checked and epoptes is in the list http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/precise/edubuntu
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| 21:01 | alkisg: so you can simply run: "syncpackage epoptes -d sid"
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| 21:01 | and it'll import it from Debian (once it's syncable)
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> Cool (didn't have that in Lucid, but I have it in Precise). Thanks, will do.
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| 21:02 | <stgraber> yeah, syncpackage only started working a few months ago, that's the using the new Launchpad derived distributions stuff to import from Debian
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| 21:03 | before that it was "requestsync" which would just open a bug report and require someone to actually do the copy for you manually
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| 21:03 | * alkisg loves automation | |
| 21:03 | <stgraber> with syncpackage, you just do it and 2 minutes later the package is building on LP without any manual action
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| 21:04 | <alkisg> And ever since I learned about PPA recipies, I stopped using dput :)
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| 21:04 | Meh if only we developed a program that would write better programs than we do... :D
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yup, need a dependency on adduser
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> ty
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| 21:10 | * vagrantc vaguely remembers adding that.... | |
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| 21:30 | <alkisg> 'night all!
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