IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 July 2013   (all times are UTC)

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<Fabiano>
What software use to block some programs and desktop users?
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14:30
<Fabiano_>
What software can I use to manage the user uses?
14:32
What software can I use to block destop and user programs?
14:32
What software can I use to block desktop and user programs?
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<Fabiano_>
sabayonpessulus
14:57
pessulus
15:02
pessulus u
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15:03
<workingcats>
what does pessulus mean?
15:09
<Fabiano_>
link?
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15:10
<hsys>
What software can I use to block desktop and user programs?
15:10
<muppis>
Just.
15:13
<hsys>
What software can I use to block desktop and user programs?
15:15
<workingcats>
hsys, there's really no use in repeating your question if nobody has joined and nobody has said anything since you last asked..
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15:34
<hsys>
Qual software uso para bloquear alguns programas para usuários?
15:35
What software use to block some programs for users?
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<hsys>
What software use to block some programs for users?
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<[GuS]>
Hi guys, i have a doub in LTSP (latest), Gentoo: i want to launch a script (or a rc service) and nothin happens. But if once tha thin clien start, i can launch it by hand. So is not script problem. I tried with KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES (with a rc script) and with a RCFILE_01 (with a simple script) and nothin happens
16:46
what i am doing wrong?
16:47
<Cristian>
buenos dias, como conectar desde ltsp.conf dos xfreeserver ejemplor, tengo dos terminal server y quiero ejecuntarlos en una pc xfreerdp ?
16:47
good morning, how to connect from two xfreeserver ltsp.conf ejemplor, I have two terminal server and I want xfreerdp ejecuntarlos on a pc?
16:48
<alkisg>
hsys: give an example of a program that you want to block
16:48
[GuS]: does Gentoo run /etc/rc.local on boot? Check its contents when the client boots.
16:48
<Cristian>
good morning, how to connect from two Freeserve ltsp.conf example, I have two terminal server and I want ejecuntarlos on an old pc thinclien xfreerdp?
16:49
<alkisg>
Cristian: how do you want to select between those 2 servers? on login?
16:49
<[GuS]>
alkisg: does not exist
16:49
<alkisg>
Then custom code is needed for RCFILE, let me check the gentoo tree...
16:50
<[GuS]>
ok, thanks alkisg
16:50
<alkisg>
[GuS]: do you have <chroot>/opt/ltsp/i386/init-ltsp.d/50-rcfiles?
16:51
<Cristian>
by ltsp.conf SCREEN_07=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.34.1 and SCREEN_07=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.40.10
16:52
by ltsp.conf SCREEN_07=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.34.1 and SCREEN_04=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.40.10
16:52
<alkisg>
Cristian: only the last variable value is used, so you can't have multiple SCREEN_07 entries
16:52
<[GuS]>
alkisg: let me check
16:52
<alkisg>
You could have SCREEN_07 and SCREEN_08, and switch with alt+ctrl+f7/f8...
16:52
<Cristian>
and this I do not worked
16:52
<[GuS]>
alkisg: does not exist
16:53
exit
16:53
ups
16:53
<Cristian>
permite only one coneccion to a single terminal sever?
16:53
<alkisg>
Cristian: you need to specify SCREEN_07="xfreerdp 172.21.34.1" and SCREEN_08="xfreerdp 172.21.40.10". Don't use RDP_SERVER because you can't specify that multiple times.
16:54
<[GuS]>
alkisg: /opt/ltsp/i686/usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/50-rcfiles
16:54
<alkisg>
[GuS]: on the host, what are the contents of /etc/rc.d/rc.local ?
16:54
And I suppose you don't have /etc/rc.local on the host either, right?
16:54
<[GuS]>
alkisg: nopoe
16:54
nope
16:54
<alkisg>
Here it says the gentoo equivalent is /etc/rc.d/rc.local: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-894216-view-next.html
16:55
<[GuS]>
the only rc, is the conf: rc.conf
16:55
maybe that is old..
16:55
<alkisg>
I don't know how current is that. If it's rc.conf, then you need to modify 50-rcfiles so that it writes to rc.conf instead
16:55
<[GuS]>
well, is old :D
16:55
mm i will check
16:55
thanks alkisg
16:55
<alkisg>
And then submit it to a bug report so that knipwim includes it in the gentoo tree
16:55
np
16:55
<[GuS]>
:)
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<alkisg>
[GuS]: check also this one: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Local.d
16:57
<[GuS]>
alkisg: ok
16:57
<alkisg>
It's probably possible to just change the path from /etc/rc.local, to /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
16:57
<Cristian>
ltsp.conf not allow two connections at a time server A) xfreerdp and B) xfreerdp?
16:57
<[GuS]>
Yes, i know about local. But i wanted to start a particular script for particular thin client
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<alkisg>
[GuS]: if you do it with 50-rcfiles, it will only work for that particular thin client
16:58
Because the other ones won't have any entries in RCFILE_xx at all
16:58
<[GuS]>
alkisg: which is what i am looking for
16:58
<alkisg>
Right, so just update init-ltsp.d/50-rcfiles to point to /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
16:59
<[GuS]>
For what i know, in local.d script wiill start with the local service
16:59
Oks :)
16:59
<alkisg>
Cristian: it does allow it, see what I wrote above
16:59
(07:53:49 μμ) alkisg: Cristian: you need to specify SCREEN_07="xfreerdp 172.21.34.1" and SCREEN_08="xfreerdp 172.21.40.10". Don't use RDP_SERVER because you can't specify that multiple times.
16:59
There are 2 servers there, one in SCREEN_07 and one in 08
17:00
[GuS]: hmm you might need to add the shebang (#!/bin/sh) and chmod +x /etc/local.d/rc-local.start, from the 50-rcfiles code...
17:01
<[GuS]>
alkisg: i have only 3 lines there
17:01
is normal?
17:01
<alkisg>
Yes, but they are not enough for gentoo, apparently
17:01
<[GuS]>
rc-update add ltsp-client default | rc-update add sysklogd default | rc-update add vixie-cron default
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<[GuS]>
ok
17:01
<alkisg>
Replace them with this:
17:01
<hsys>
[GuS], games, graphics, system tools
17:02
<alkisg>
echo "#!/bin/sh" > /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
17:02
<[GuS]>
hsys: hm?
17:02
<alkisg>
env | sed -n 's/^RCFILE_[0-9][0-9]=//p' >> /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
17:02
chmod +x /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
17:02
Those 3 lines should work on gentoo...
17:02
<[GuS]>
alkisg: ok, thanks
17:02
<hsys>
What software use to block some programs for users?
17:02
games, graphics, system tools
17:03
<alkisg>
hsys: generally you can't block them only for some users... but you can use a menu editor to hide them from the menus
17:03
E.g. edubuntu has a menu editor for that
17:03
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Documentation/Edubuntu-menueditor
17:04
<Cristian>
alkisg thank you I'm trying now
17:05
<[GuS]>
alkisg: so, this is it right? http://pastebin.com/X5Zez6gw
17:06
alkisg: so with this i can use RC_CONFIG?
17:06
<alkisg>
[GuS]: ah wait this file is not what I have in my tree...
17:06
I don't have those rc-update lines
17:07
<[GuS]>
alkisg: is what i said :P
17:07
those 3 lines comes with that file
17:07
<alkisg>
It appears that knipwim "retargetted" that file to do something else, so that RCFILE_xx doesn't do anything at all in gentoo,
17:07
<[GuS]>
damn
17:07
<alkisg>
...so, instead of modifying that file, add another one,
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<alkisg>
e.g. 50-my-rcfiles
17:08
<[GuS]>
weird... in olllld ltsp4 rc_file was working
17:08
<alkisg>
With only the 3 lines I pasted above
17:08
<[GuS]>
Ok
17:08
so al the files inside there get loaded, right
17:08
<hsys>
<alkisg> Already comes installed in gnome?
17:09
<Cristian>
SCREEN_02="xfreerdp 192.168.0.108" RDP_OPTIONS=--no-auth --no-nla --ignore-certificate -f -a 32 --plugin rdpsnd --plugin rdpdr --data disk:Devices:/media/ts01 --plugin rdpdr --data printer:HP-LaserJet 1100:HP-LaserJet 1100 hpijs -- 192.168.0.108 SCREEN_08="xfreerdp 192.168.0.40"
17:09
<alkisg>
hsys: which distribution and version are you using?
17:09
<Cristian>
?????
17:09
<alkisg>
Cristian: which distribution and version are you using?
17:09
<Cristian>
in ltsp.conf
17:09
ubuntu 12.04
17:09
<alkisg>
There's no ltsp.conf, there's lts.conf,
17:10
<hsys>
<alkisg> 13.04 Server
17:10
<alkisg>
...and don't use RDP_OPTIONS either
17:10
Cristian: just put all xfreerdp parameters and server in the same SCREEN_xx line
17:10
<Cristian>
lts.conf
17:10
<alkisg>
hsys: server is not a distribution. Do you mean Ubuntu?
17:11
<hsys>
<alkisg> yes
17:11
ubuntu 13.04
17:11
<alkisg>
hsys: ok, then read that wiki page and install that program from software center
17:11
...or with apt-get install, whatever you prefer
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<hsys>
synaptic
17:13
<alkisg> installed synaptic.
17:14
<alkisg>
...I don't understand why, but whatever makes you happy, no problem...
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<hsys>
<alkisg> I understand, thank you....
17:17* alkisg waves...
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<Cristian>
<alkisg> muchisimas gracias !!!! funciono OK !!!! mil mil gracias !!!!!!
17:33
<alkisg> thank you very much!! worked OK!! thousand thousand thanks!!
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:-) !!!!
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<ScoutInternetSup>
evening all
21:56
How goes it?
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21:56
<SIS_Admin>
guess my nick was too long for the server
21:57* SIS_Admin wonders if anyone here can spare a coupla mins to help him out?
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<nubae>
SIS_Admin: just ask your question, people will answer if they can
22:00
asking if you can ask a question is usually self evident ;-)
22:01
<SIS_Admin>
sounds fair
22:01
basically... i've got a working LTSP server (Debian Wheezy base)
22:01
and I've built a second server (also the same version of Debian Wheezy - I've even made sure they both have all the same packages except ltsp-server-standalone on the working one and ltsp-server on the new box)
22:02
and i need the second box to run as an extra login server
22:02
now i have the 'SERVER=SERVER-IP' entry set correctly in the lts.conf (assuming it'll take an IP)
22:02
<nubae>
sounds like you need ltsp-cluster
22:02
<SIS_Admin>
but the client i'm testing with just keeps giving a 'connection refused' error
22:03
should the native "SERVER=" option in lts.conf not just work?
22:03
i want to keep all the dhcp and tftp stuff on the master server
22:03
i've got the slave server talking to the master using NIS
22:03
<nubae>
if you are abstracting user authentication to one box, and other stuff on the other, it may be more complicated than that
22:04
<SIS_Admin>
and it's got /home exported (and mounted)
22:04
along with /opt/ltsp obviously
22:04
nono, the auth will work on either box
22:04
i've deliberately set up NIS to ensure that's the case
22:04
and tested
22:04
<nubae>
sure, but I believe ltsp-cluster has a script that actually guides you through all this
22:04
and then u can do authentication with LDAP or whatever...
22:04
<SIS_Admin>
NIS does the same as LDAP with less effort
22:05
and the authentication works (i've tested it repeatedly)
22:05
<nubae>
ah... ok... so u dont want authentication specifically on one box
22:05
<SIS_Admin>
no
22:05
i want the DHCP and TFTP stuff on the master server
22:05
but just want to push the logins across to the salve
22:05
slave even
22:06
and everything i've done is suggesting it should 'just work'
22:06
<nubae>
so just to make sure, dhcp and tftp is working, ie... recognises clients and loads relevant image?
22:06
<SIS_Admin>
yep yep
22:06
the client boots
22:06
and then as soon as it tries to open the X session
22:06
<nubae>
u've switched off dhcp on the other sever
22:06
<SIS_Admin>
it errors and shows "connection refused"
22:06
<nubae>
server even?
22:06* SIS_Admin hasn't even installed dhcp on the second server
22:07
<SIS_Admin>
i've deliberately kept it so that there's no issues with that side of things
22:07
<nubae>
yes, sounds like its trying to authenticate against its own user db, and not finding the machine there
22:07
<SIS_Admin>
no...
22:07
it doesn't look to be an auth issue
22:07
'cause it's not getting that far
22:07
as soon as it tries to open the X session to the server
22:08
it fails to establish a connection at all
22:08
no login prompt, the screen flashes then shows the error
22:08
then loops and repeats
22:08
<nubae>
ok, wait, fromt he top... which machine is giving u the connection refused, both? or the second machine without tftp/dhcp?
22:09
<SIS_Admin>
so from the top
22:09
thinclient boots
22:09
picks up an IP from the master server
22:09
picks up a TFTP image
22:09
boots its client kernel
22:09
<nubae>
all from master right
22:09
<SIS_Admin>
yep
22:09
and in the master lts.conf
22:09
it has an entry "SERVER=10.0.0.2"
22:09
<nubae>
and uve checked this by logging into client and checking dmesg/logs?
22:09
<SIS_Admin>
which appears to be working
22:09
because the client is trying to pick up a connection to 10.0.0.2
22:09
for its GUI
22:10
and just gets "connection refused"
22:10
<nubae>
right, thats authentication on the ldm side, no user has logged in yet
22:10
<SIS_Admin>
correct
22:11
<nubae>
so connection refused can happen for many reasons
22:11
uve tried resetting ssh keys?
22:11
thats usually first thing to do
22:11
<SIS_Admin>
ltsp-build-sshkeys?
22:11
<nubae>
ye
22:11
yes
22:12
its been a while I've run the commands, so double check, should be available tabbing
22:13
<SIS_Admin>
ah, it's ltsp-update-sshkeys
22:13
<nubae>
keys should be regenerated with new ltsp chroots, so it maybe that
22:13
<SIS_Admin>
when it generates the keys
22:13
does it put them on the host server too somewhere?
22:13
or literally just in the chroot?
22:14
<nubae>
the private is in the chroot, public on the server
22:14
<SIS_Admin>
okay
22:14
<nubae>
in essence the client is the ssh server in this case
22:14
<SIS_Admin>
that may be something to do with it then
22:14* SIS_Admin shall investigate that bit
22:15
<nubae>
i advise setting a client side password and re-enabling root access to it (by default its off, or at least it was last time I used ltsp, admittedly, a year or so ago
22:15
doing it through the chroot and rebuilding
22:17
you can then try sshing in from the server to the client
22:17
that should eliminate the ssh keys issue
22:17
<SIS_Admin>
okay
22:18
<vagrantc>
nubae: heya!
22:18
you can configure the chroot to know either server
22:18
<nubae>
vagrantc: hi, long time no see :-)
22:18
how's things?
22:19
<SIS_Admin>
awesome, thanks for your help
22:19
<vagrantc>
nubae: alright. haven't given enough time to LTSP lately ... Debian was frozen for a little too long
22:19
<SIS_Admin>
i'll give that a try and see where i get with it
22:19
<nubae>
I spent 3 months in hospital... major staph infection in my prosthetic implant... they had to remove it and put me through major antibiotic treatment... not fun
22:19
<vagrantc>
just yesterday, uploaded the latest libpam-sshauth to Debian, which will hopefully turn out to be a cornerstone for LTSP6
22:20
<SIS_Admin>
LTSP6 you say?
22:20
<nubae>
I havent looked at ltsp for more than a year, so figured nows a good time to get back into it
22:20
<vagrantc>
nubae: eesh. hope you're recovering alright
22:20* SIS_Admin grins
22:21
<nubae>
well, rehabilitation is a bitch... retraining muscle strength and all that... all in all was bed ridden for 8 months
22:21
<vagrantc>
SIS_Admin: yeah, hopefully LTSP6 will be ready in time for the next Debian release, jessie ... at least, that's my goal.
22:21
<SIS_Admin>
argh!
22:21
ooh sweet
22:21
well if you need a hand with anything towards it... do feel free to shout and i'll do what i can (including beta test)
22:21
<nubae>
first waiting for private insurance to sort out my situation, then they flat out refused to pay for treatment when they found out Id be in hospital for that long
22:21
so then long road through social security
22:21
<SIS_Admin>
i'm in the fairly unique position of being able to test to my heart's content
22:22
on 'live' kit
22:22
<vagrantc>
one of the major plans is to throw away LDM and just use "normal" display managers with some custom hooks.
22:22
<SIS_Admin>
okay
22:22
<nubae>
at least that still exists here in Spain... they'll probably strip us of medical care soon though, following the footsteps of the good ol USA
22:22
<SIS_Admin>
will it play nicely with lxde's display manager then? :)
22:22
<vagrantc>
SIS_Admin: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
22:22
SIS_Admin: it might
22:23
i've tried with lightdm, gdm3 and kdm so far
22:23
<nubae>
hmm nice, regular gdm will be cool for custom jobs
22:23
<vagrantc>
it's still in a proof of concept phase
22:23* SIS_Admin nods
22:24
<vagrantc>
but it does work
22:24
<nubae>
hey, have u tested these new arduino+4xraspberry pi in one as thin clients?
22:24
<vagrantc>
nubae: haven't heard of them
22:24
<nubae>
sounds like it could be really interesting for home automation/clustering
22:24
udoo boards
22:24
very cool, kickstarter just finished their funding rounds...
22:25
here let me grab the page... its worth checking out
22:25
<vagrantc>
i've been working with a few arm based systems lately, openpandora, cubieboard, raspberry pi... looking at the wandboard quad next
22:26
<nubae>
http://www.udoo.org/
22:26
so many exciting possibilities with all this new gear... 3d printers seem to be the craze right now
22:26
that and drones
22:26
oh and printing drones using 3d printed printers
22:26
:p
22:27
<SIS_Admin>
i've gotta jet and go sort some kids out... thanks for the help though
22:27
ill let you know how i get on
22:27
i'll even
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<nubae>
everything seems to be open, hardware, firmware, software, so cool stuff for tinkerers
22:28
I thought about ltsp and how these boards could work really well with it, maybe
22:29
<vagrantc>
udoo looks pretty comprable to the wandboard
22:29
the cubieboard makes a decent thin client
22:29
although i haven't yet built it with a debian or mainline kernel
22:30
<nubae>
ill check wandboard... for now udoo its been used a lot for 3d printers and robotics
22:36
I'm more interested in the hardware sensor side that arduino brings to it... does wandboard do that too, or is it just a thinclient? price is nice
22:39
<vagrantc>
dunno the hardware sensor stuff really
22:40
i was just looking at a fairly cheap arm multi-core board with decent ram
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<nubae>
yeah udoo is the same price but you get some nice extras, if you're keen to play with writing code the hardware, sensors, etc
22:49
I guess its not what LTSP would be intended for though
22:49
<vagrantc>
not intented, but surely useful if you need many of them :)
22:50* vagrantc finds arm hacking easier using LTSP with a cross-architecture chroot
22:50
<nubae>
yeah I can imagine that for security/home automation it would be really interesting to do something with LTSP and that
22:50
<vagrantc>
i.e. i have my x86 server, with an arm chroot on it to tweak
22:51
<nubae>
theres even coding for springlers and irrigation (including checking ph, levels, spraying liquids according to sensors, etc)
22:51
For a large 'gardening' project that sure would be handy ;-)
22:52
I can picture a market or 2 that would benefit from that, and who wouldn't mind paying a nice premium for the service :p
22:52
and I'm not talking about folks growing strawberries or tomatoes
22:54
hell, for delicate grow operations there's people who would pay an arm and a leg for that
22:55
remote indoor gardening via your mobile phone
22:56
btw... is anyone porting lstp to android yet?
22:56
the client at least
22:58
<vagrantc>
there's not really a client...
22:59
you could maybe hack LDM onto it, but we're looking to get rid of LDM...
22:59
<nubae>
ok, and with it gone it would make other distros easier to integrate?
23:00
i just meant an android chroot
23:00
<vagrantc>
i don't know that anyone has tried ...
23:01
android is a little more than just another distro
23:01
<nubae>
im surprised, it kind of seems a natural course, given the small footprint android brings, though I guess making it touchscreen changes things
23:01
yeah, gotcha
23:03
though cheap China tablets would make interesting thin clients
23:06* vagrantc would just as soon get Debian running on them :)
23:07
<vagrantc>
the cubieboard came with android by default
23:07
first thing i did was switch it over to debian :)
23:07
<nubae>
yeah I meant running debian/ubuntu
23:07
but does ltsp handle touchscreens ok? I suppose so
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