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Channel log from 6 December 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:53
<vicd>
Hello! Does anyone know how to get in saned.conf not only the address of the server, and all the network for example?
06:01
or disable overwriting saned.conf?
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07:07
<vicd>
no one knows?
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08:43
<Hyperbyte>
vicd, it's a bit hack'ish, but you can find all LTSP scripts in the chroot, in /usr/share/ltsp/
08:44
In this case, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/50-saned
08:46
Although that doesn't seem to do much... mmm
08:47
There is some other saned stuff in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X50-generate-env
08:47
It seems to me that ltsp leaves your saned config alone if you put SCANNER=False in lts.conf (which seems to be the default)00
09:01
<vicd>
Thanks Hyperbyte. I've already changed X50-generate-env
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09:47
<sha_>
hi
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10:24
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, hi!
10:24
!ask
10:24
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
10:24
<Hyperbyte>
:)
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11:30
<sha_>
thanks... i'm trying to build a complete fatclient image and still have some problems. 1) gvfs is not working, i guess it's because of sshfs-mounted /home. 2) is it possible to use smb/cifs instead of sshfs or nfs for /home? 3) what would be the best approach to mount a public samba share (not /home) with users credentials?
11:32
on the ltsp server, /home is already mounted as a samba-share from a samba server ... i'd prefer to mount /home directly from the samba server on the fatclient, instead of using nfs or sshfs with the mounted /home samba-share on the server
11:36
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, there's a fundamental problem with your setup.
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11:36
<Hyperbyte>
I believe so, anyways (I'm not expert)
11:37
But AFAIK, gvfs relies on some special filesystem features for it to work properly. Those aren't available in every filesystem.
11:37
gvfs works fine over sshfs, but from what you're saying, I doubt it works with SMB
11:38
gvfs also works fine over nfs I believe.
11:39
<sha_>
okay, then maybe i'm just missing a package for gvfs
11:39
<JustSomeGuy>
hi im using ltsp on ubuntu and wanted to intigrate pam_mkhomedir in to ldm (i want to copy some files when a new home directory is created) i added mkhomedir to common-session in pam.d but it wont get executed by ldm. when i login via su it works fine.
11:39
<Hyperbyte>
No experience with that.
11:39
sha_, I assume you have a Microsoft Active Directory set up in your network?
11:40
<sha_>
i'm using sshfs right now with a user which hasn't a samba share on the server... and gvfs isn't working
11:40
Hyperbyte: no, it's a samba fileserver with shared /home
11:43
<Hyperbyte>
JustSomeGuy, LDM uses ssh to log in to the server. If you get it working when you manually ssh user@servername, then it'll work with LTSP.
11:43
<sha_>
Hyperbyte: or maybe SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS needs to be set to "false"?
11:44
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, I'm confused now actually about my earlier statement of gvfs working
11:45
Right, gvfs works over sshfs... just confirmed that.
11:45
<sha_>
Hyperbyte: btw. thin-clients are working very well with /home mounted as a samba-share...even with gvfs
11:46
Hyperbyte: are you using SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=false?
11:46
<Hyperbyte>
Really? That's surprising.
11:46
sha_, no, I'm using as much stock config as possible.
11:46
<sha_>
why is it surprising?
11:46
<JustSomeGuy>
Hyperbyte, it works with ssh
11:47
<Hyperbyte>
I had lots of troubles with special file permissions not translating correctly over sshfs <-> nfs... surprises me that it works with cifs
11:47
Although to be fair, this sshfs <-> nfs problem I had was a while ago... I never fully debugged it
11:48
sha_, I'm curious though. Why are you using samba?
11:48
I'm assuming it's a Windows machine?
11:48
<sha_>
Hyperbyte: perhaps its a misunderstanding. on the ltsp server /home is mounted as a samba share. thinclients have no problems with that (not much surprising for me).
11:49
no, it's a debian with /home shared via samba -> mounted on ltsp-server /home.
11:50
working so far with thinclients - now, i want to use fatclients and don't have a good feeling with sshfs'ing the mounted samba-share to the fatclient
11:52
<Hyperbyte>
Right, it's better to eliminate the overhead
11:53
But, out of curiousity, why have you chosen to use Samba for sharing files between two Linux servers?
11:55
<sha_>
yeah, that might sound really weird. but it was needed, there's still a win2k3-terminalserver, and so the users' /home can be easily mounted
11:57
<Hyperbyte>
You can easily mix a network with Linux and Windows clients though, and give people the same home directory, even match their Desktop icons, without using Samba for Linux <-> Linux though
11:57
Samba and NFS can both operate on the same directories
11:57
<sha_>
yes, i thought so, too... until i realised that locked files in samba are not seen in NFS
11:57
<Hyperbyte>
For starters, I'd choose to use NFS for Linux <-> Linux sharing... then you can use NFS_HOME in lts.conf
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<Hyperbyte>
sha_, ah - Samba has lots of options for locking, so does NFS. I believe both have extended locking features disabled by default
12:00
I know we had it working perfectly at the radio station I volunteer at, even with Microsoft Access Databases (which are even more horrifying when it comes to locking)
12:00
We've since dropped Windows though. :-)
12:02
sha_, man smb.conf
12:02
"kernel oplocks"
12:02
<sha_>
i'm not sure about that. sharing /home via NFS _and_ SMB was giving much errors with locked files in here. but let's assume I would use NFS instead of SMB ... with NFS_HOME , i only can mount from the ltsp-server, right?
12:02
<Hyperbyte>
Should be enabled by default.
12:03
Hm, seems NFS_HOME is even deprecated
12:04
Either way, you can use FSTAB_0 to FSTAB_9 lts.conf options to insert lines in /etc/fstab on clients
12:04
<sha_>
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
12:04
<Hyperbyte>
At the radiostation right now, I mount a /data dir on all clients
12:04
It has in lts.conf:
12:05
<sha_>
where did you find that info (FSTAB_0)? in my man lts.conf , there's so much undocumented
12:05
<Hyperbyte>
FSTAB_0=supportserver:/data /data nfs defaults 0 0
12:05
Yeah, that's a bit problematic
12:05
<sha_>
yesterday i found "REMOTE_APPS", but not in the manpage
12:06
<Hyperbyte>
:-)
12:06
<JustSomeGuy>
a nice ltsp manual would be nice yeah :D
12:06
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I've perused quite a bit of the source code, and hang around here a lot
12:06
Well hey guys!
12:06
I agree!
12:06
So how about you two roll up your sleeves and get writing!
12:06
<JustSomeGuy>
hmh could do
12:06
<Hyperbyte>
We have a fantastic wiki, the LTSPedia: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/LTSPedia
12:06
<sha_>
thank you very much ... with FSTAB=.. a core problem should be solved: mounting a public samba share
12:07
<Hyperbyte>
Feel free to write all your documentation there.
12:07
sha_ could write a fantastic article about mounting shares on thin/fat clients using the FSTAB configuration options.
12:07
:-)
12:08
<sha_>
and REMOTE_APPS!
12:08
<JustSomeGuy>
ltsp in a nutshell sounds good? ^^
12:08
<Hyperbyte>
Every contribution you could make sounds good. :-)
12:09
Oh, and don't forget to add your LTSP setup to our world database: http://www.ltsp.org/stories/
12:09
<sha_>
i'm wondering what cool stuff am i still missing, except REMOTE_APPS and FSTAB
12:10
yes, when the setup is finished, i'll certainly do that
12:11
<Hyperbyte>
Good. :)
12:11
<JustSomeGuy>
yeah me too and now i have a reason to use latex again ;D
12:14
but i still have the pam_mkhomedir problem... the auth.log doesnt even show ldm using ssh just su when i login over ssh everything works fine
12:35
<sha_>
do you think it's possible to mount /home with FSTAB_X on a fatclient? i mean: how would you then disable the sshfs/nfs-mount-home-mechanism?
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<sha_>
thanks again for the FSTAB_0 example, works very well... before that i thought about preparing a fstab in the fatclient chroot and sudo for mounting etc. - much less trouble with FSTAB_X
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12:59
<sha_>
okay great, mounting /home with FSTAB_x also works
13:02
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, on LDM login, the client checks if the users' home directory exists already
13:02
If it does, it doesn't try to mount it
13:04
<sha_>
nice!
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<sha_>
so i guess my main problems are solved with FSTAB_X. only problem left for now is gvfs, but i'm sure it's missing a package (though i'm wondering why "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and "apt-get install gnome-shell" aren't installing all needed packages for gvfs)
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13:16
<sha_>
yes, 'apt-get install gvfs-backends' did the trick.
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13:38
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, I still say it's worth it to debug your Samba/NFS locking problem
13:39
You're eliminating sshfs to cut down on overhead, but I bet if you benchmark it, that nfs + sshfs is a lot faster than cifs.
13:39
I know for sure that nfs alone is faster, which you could of course do once you eliminate cifs. :P
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<sha_>
Hyperbyte: i don't think that it really would work safe (samba+nfs), when googling for that subject i find something pessimistic like this from a Samba Developer http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2008-May/140374.html
13:48
Hyperbyte: but i would really be interested in NFS - perhaps samba is not much needed anymore, when the win2k3-terminalserver gets down.
13:49
Hyperbyte: but i'm not sure i get the concept right - when you are mounting a NFS share as /home on a fatclient, you would need to create the same users with same usernames with the same uid in the fatclient chroot, right?
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<sha_>
UID mapping - at least in NFSv3 - is a bit disturbing...
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13:51
<AMorozov>
Hi! can anybody suggest how to check to what seat a USB disk was assigned by ConsoleKit & Co
13:53
I see that my session (listed by ck-list-session) is marked active but udiskctl mount -b /dev/myusbdisk still asks for password as if it was "other seat".
13:53
<gvy>
amorozov, nsk...
13:53
lesha, ty? :)
13:53
<AMorozov>
gvy: yes, I'm
13:54
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, no
13:55
sha_, ideally, you would not create users anywhere on a server, you would create them in a database.
13:55
<AMorozov>
I'm trying to resolve that issue with "USB disks under KDE-4.9"
13:55
<Hyperbyte>
Ever since I used 389-Directory Server, I don't understand why ANYONE would create users locally on a server.
13:55
389 DS or OpenLDAP are much better alternatives either way for managing users than /etc/passwd is.
13:56
And it solves all problems you have regarding spreading your users over multiple servers
13:57
The office of the company I work for is based in Rotterdam, we have a mailserver in Germany. Accounts on the mail server are the exact same ones as locally here on the network. Replicating 389 servers. :-)
13:57
We have several servers here, all users have the same accounts everywhere
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<sha_>
Hyperbyte: that's surely a nice and clean solution, but in some setups LDAP would be just overkill. we have 15-20 employees, at the moment it's better to have two terminalservers with local accounts than to build a high-available LDAP
14:06
maybe later in future, but right now there is at least no time for LDAP ... win2k3 keeps crashing and i need a working LTSP setup
14:08
so I assume creating the users in fatclient chroot with same uid etc. would be the right approach for NFS?
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14:23
<tarzeau>
does anyone run an ltsp server on ubuntu 12.04?
14:24
it fails to boot my clients here... :(
14:25
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, we have less than 15-20 employees here.
14:25
11, to be exact.
14:26
I don't see LDAP as overkill though.
14:26
It took me 10 minutes to install.
14:26
<sha_>
Hyperbyte: whow, okay... i read 1-2 hours in an openldap book and decided it was "too much"
14:26
<Hyperbyte>
So far it's saved me from creating duplicate accounts across 4 different servers.
14:26
On Fedora I did 'yum install 389-ds'
14:27
Then typed '389-console' and added users
14:27
<sha_>
tarzeau: yes
14:27
<Hyperbyte>
Then ran system-auth-config I believe, and selected ldap
14:27
<tarzeau>
could i be affected by this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=7;bug=693636
14:27
ii ltsp-server 5.3.7-0ubuntu2 Basic LTSP server environment
14:27
<Hyperbyte>
tarzeau, me too, by the way. LTSP works fine on 12.04. Get specific about what exactly happens.
14:27
<tarzeau>
i got that version, and the patch is for a later one
14:28
i land in an initramfs and ls doesn't show /boot
14:28
for what file is that patch exactly? (full file name)
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<sha_>
Hyperbyte: sounds really nice, i will think about that - though i don't think that an openldap setup would be completed in 15 minutes (i have practically zero LDAP-knowledge)
14:29
<tarzeau>
ah the bug title says
14:30
<Hyperbyte>
sha_, OpenLDAP is a bit more challenging than 389-DS I think.
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<sha_>
i even don't know what 389-ds is... i saw LDAP integration very often in different software, but never 389-ds
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<Hyperbyte>
http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page
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<sha_>
Hyperbyte: thank you. it really get's harder and harder to maintain the different user accounts on different servers, but still easier as openldap. if 389-ds is "openldap, but easy" it could be the right piece of puzzle
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<Hyperbyte>
sha_, it's not just about maintenance
14:48
It's also flexibility
14:49
You can tie -any- data you want to the LDAP users
14:49
Let's say you're going to use VOIP in the future... you could tie Asterisk accounts to the LDAP users
14:49
So you suddenly have your 15-20 user accounts in Asterisk, and they will always to be up-to-date
14:50
Or let's say you need to implement a web calendar for your users to use... find one that supports LDAP, and everybody can login using the same credentials
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14:56
<sha_>
sure. i can think of many flexibility with LDAP, no question. the point is (or was) for me if LDAP really "helps" when i don't invest two months of learning
14:57
<Hyperbyte>
I didn't for 389-DS.
14:57
Jumped right in!
14:57
Got it working straight away too... then I went to set up multi master replication, and that took some doing... I had to actually figure out what I was doing
14:57
But most people don't need that.
15:03
<||cw>
sha_: did you read the history on 389-ds yet? it was novell directory server in a past incarnation.
15:06
<sha_>
||cw: i read http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#How_is_389_different_from_OpenLDAP.3F , there they mention it was slapd and then netscape directory server before
15:06
anyway, sounds good...worth a try
15:08
<||cw>
oh right, netscape, the other N-word
15:08
brb
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<gvy>
FWIW, <AMorozov> http://paste.kde.org/620924/
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<dluzius>
need help getting opensuse to connect to wlan, is this the right channel
18:58
<knipwim>
have you tried #opensuse?
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