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Channel log from 23 February 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<mathesis>
I cannot determine how tftpd is invoked. You may need to
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manually configure tftpd on your server.
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<dan__t>
hi
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<krinns>
hi all
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<mathesis>
hi krinns
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<krinns>
do we have any GUI tools for session managemnet in ltsp
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<mathesis>
you have ltsp 4.2?
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<krinns>
yes
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<mathesis>
krinns: i have proble for startx the clients
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my card video is ati
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<krinns>
whats the issue
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on thinclients
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<mathesis>
Fatal Error XDMCP fatal erro: MAnager unwilling HOST unwilling
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<krinns>
oh u r using
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ubuntu
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or
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<ash__>
Hey everyone
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<cliebow>
krinns:so you have gray screen?
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!grayscreen
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<krinns>
no
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
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<krinns>
why
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cliebow any GUI tool for ltsp to manage user sessions
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<cliebow>
you say xdmcp problems
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in what way?like teachertool?
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<krinns>
or load balance and failocer thing
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no i dont have
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its mathsis
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<cliebow>
you can look at dtrasks failover..for dhcpd.conf
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i dont have a url
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<cliebow>
http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/load-balance-failover-how-to.pdf
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<Jenna>
morning y'all
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any ltsp sound pro around ?
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<cliebow>
mistik1 is
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<Jenna>
stuck at this point with no sound. also using Dell GX Thinstations with CS46xx built-in snd-cards. http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00389.html
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<cliebow>
rjune
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<Jenna>
anyone ?
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hey cliebow.
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<cliebow>
hi
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is there any enlightenment on the wiki?
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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sound is kinda on hold waiting for pulseaudio to be refined..
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<Jenna>
yeh tried that link. but with out luck
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Xmms's graphical equalizer is dancing but no sound at the ports
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<ogra>
cliebow, pulse sound is default in feisty ltsp since some weeks already
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debian will pull it as soon as etc released and they can update again
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s/etc/etch/
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<cliebow>
sound is really cranky..ogra is the man to talk to
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<ogra>
not really, i'm holding a teachig session atm no time for big supports ....
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<cliebow>
ogra:btw didnt think we'd see you for a bit..got internet at the hotel?
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<ogra>
(i'm actually not here .... you havent seen me etc :) )
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<cliebow>
k 8~)
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<ogra>
no, i'm in this educational institute where the EU educational meeting takes place
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they have at least a wire for me ...
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<Jenna>
ogra, cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp is also no responding
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<ogra>
Jenna, thats ltsp5 ?
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<Jenna>
huh. Im using k12ltsp, ltsp 4-2 ?
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<ogra>
hmm, then all i can point you to is the wiki ... i'm only doing ltsp5 development and could only gues ....
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<Jenna>
also set the gstreamer thing to esdsink but no luck
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<ogra>
check if ESPEAKER is set, make sure the sound modules get loaded on the client etc
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<cliebow>
ogra: so if i set sources.list to feisty i could sandbox the newest?
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and dist-upgrade
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forget it ..i can figure that out..
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<ogra>
cliebow, yup ... but be careful, feisty is still in development ... it might be broken ... (dont do it on production systems etc etc ... )
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<cliebow>
yes..
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have a GREAT Day
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<Jenna>
ogra, : yeah sound modules are all loaded. /dev/dsp is also present
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<ogra>
if you play a sound from the commandline on the client with aplay or something, does it work ?
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<Jenna>
ogra,: also ran /etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh, which exported the ESPEAKER var.
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<rjune>
cliebow: sup?
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<Jenna>
esdplay /usr/share/sound/phone.wav didn't generated any sound ?
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hi all
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<ogra>
Jenna, use aplay ... to see if the lower level works ...
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esdplay already connects to the esd daemon ... we want to know if the driver works first ....
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<cliebow>
Jenna:rjune has championed sound for ltsp before ltsp5
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rjune: try to catch up with ya from school 8`)
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<Jenna>
rjune 'y u there ?
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cliebow, : aplay deal with aLSA, but Im using esd. shouldn't it be a problem
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<Jenna>
rjune, : u there ?
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<ogra>
Jenna, alsa is the driver level ... if aplay works you know the driver is ok ... if not fix the driver (module)
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<Jenna>
orgra: can take a look at this link http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00502.html
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this is exacctly my issue
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<Jenna>
tired debugging thing thru this info http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<Jenna>
btw I donot have any sound card on the server.
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only on the client. and Module_1 define on the clients info in lts.conf
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<Jenna>
has some one experienced this. i.e. the sound seems to play but u can hear a thing
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Im guess it might be muted ? is there any apply thru which I can check whether the sound is muted on the station or not ?
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<a5benwillis>
mornin Cliebow
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<Jenna>
anyway ogra is ltsp5 production ready ?
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someone yesterday said its much slower than ltsp-4.2 ? is that true ?
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<a5benwillis>
I havent triedit yet myself
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<cliebow_>
a5benwillis, Hey Hey!
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<a5benwillis>
cliebow_: Well Im back to workingon the SSH issue this mornig. I worked with mistik1_ last night and came up with some ideas
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<poro>
Jenna: it is slower
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oh
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<a5benwillis>
Guys, I have a problem.
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Maybe someone will have some advice
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I downloaded and compiled a new version of ssh.
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But
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I forgot to point it to /usr during configure so itinstalled to /usr/local
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now I have the old version in/usr and the new in usr/local
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how do I remove theone in /usr/local?
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<jammcq>
rm -rf /usr/local/ssh
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or wherever it put it
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why are you building a new version of ssh ?
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<a5benwillis>
are there any startup scripts or anything else to remove?
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<jammcq>
dunno
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
g'morning! 4 * #ltsp
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<a5benwillis>
morning
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<ogra>
poro, thats not true ... it is slower from 30+ clients on ... but not below
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<cliebow_>
a5: i suppose /etc/init.d/ssh would point to the correct executable?
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<bricode>
ogra: What's slower? I just popped in.
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I'm working on dual head thin clients these days. So far it's promising.
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<ogra>
bricode, ltsp over ssh ...
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<a5benwillis>
mornin ogra
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<bricode>
ogra: Is that because of the extra encode/decode on server side?
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<ogra>
hey hey ... afternoon a5benwillis
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bricode, right
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<jammcq>
ogra: did you change the encryption method?
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<a5benwillis>
cliebow_: Well Im having a tough time with this now
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<jammcq>
err, the cypher ?
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<ogra>
with less than 30 clients you wont "feel" the overhead ...
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<cliebow_>
ohh..i forgot..ogra is not here...
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<ogra>
right i'm not here
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<jammcq>
yes he is
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<cliebow_>
8~)
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<jammcq>
I just saw him
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<ogra>
jammcq, i'm poking cjwatson once a week, probably you and sbalneav should do the same to get him going
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<jammcq>
sure
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ogra: scotty and I are getting together next week, to focus on this stuff
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<ogra>
seems he hopes he can get around it for feisty ...
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<cliebow_>
cjwatson's role is...
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<jammcq>
get our minds wrapped around it again
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<cliebow_>
heh..again...still trying for the first time
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<jammcq>
my first encounter with feisty was pretty good, but now I have a dns issue and i'm not sure how to resolve it (no pun intended)
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<a5benwillis>
I get an error in /var/log/auth.log when I try to log in, I think its when it hits the pam modul,"Excess permission or bad ownership on file /var/log/brmp"
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<ogra>
cliebow, the debian/ubuntu installer guy and the debian/ubuntu ssh maintainer
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:8~)
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<ogra>
whats /var/log/brmp ?
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<a5benwillis>
duno
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<cliebow_>
empty
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btmp?
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<a5benwillis>
lookin at the file now
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<cliebow_>
going for the gusto..feisty on one side of my lappie
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<a5benwillis>
file exists, 0bite
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<cliebow_>
btmp?
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<a5benwillis>
yes
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<cliebow_>
what..taking typing lessons from me?
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<a5benwillis>
oh, oops
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didnt catch that
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typo
08:04* ogra found it sounded like /var/log/burp ...
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<cliebow_>
i dont know from typos
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<a5benwillis>
well permissions are right on the file
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<jammcq>
ok kids, I gotta step out for a while. I'll catch ya later
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<ogra>
ciao ciao ...
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a5benwillis, disk full ?
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<jammcq>
ogra: you in Italy ?
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<a5benwillis>
ogra: no
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<ogra>
jammcq, si
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<cliebow_>
lastb(1) - Shows failed login attempts. This command requires the file /var/log/btmp to exist in order to work. Type "touch /var/log/btmp" to begin logging to this file.
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08:06* ogra wont eat any pasta for the next six weeks
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<jammcq>
no ?
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pasta, that is
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<cliebow_>
time for a chuascaria
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<jammcq>
hey, scotty and I will be down in brazil, starting Apr 11th
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<ogra>
not really a fan of it ... but pizza isnt better ... putting any other kind of meat on pizza apart from parma ham is a crime here
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<cliebow_>
lunchtime yet?
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<jammcq>
yeah, pizza is definately different in Italy
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<cliebow_>
sounds like school vacation time
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<ogra>
the pasta is great though ... but every day is simply to much :)
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<jammcq>
but you should be able to get some excellent fish in Italy
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ok, gotta run
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<cliebow_>
could be Chinese..
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<jammcq>
going to snag a new customer, wish me luck :)
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<cliebow_>
LUCK
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<ogra>
we're not near the seaside ... this area has wonderful white wine and olive oil
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<jammcq>
anywhere is Italy is not far from the seaside
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ciao
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<ogra>
ciao )
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:)
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<a5benwillis>
cliebow_: Still get that error
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<pscheie>
ogra: can you help me with a chroot problem oh edubuntu-great-one?
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<ogra>
only roughly, i'm not really here
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<cliebow_>
Programs like login, shutdown, uptime and others want to read from and write to the /var/run/utmp /var/log/btmp and /var/log/wtmp
08:11* ogra is on aa conference training teachers on edubuntu and moodle
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<pscheie>
ah. cool, sounds like fun
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<bricode_>
ogra: Where is said conference?
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<pscheie>
this is a edubuntu livecd question rather than an ltsp question
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I'm trying to remaster the edubuntu live cd
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<ogra>
bricode, jesi near ancona italy
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<a5benwillis>
orga: Some guys have all the fun
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<bricode_>
ogra: sweet.
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<pscheie>
when I chroot to the livecd file structure, I get different answers to aptitude queries
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for example, it says it can't find any package named kgeography
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but from the regular environment, it finds (and installs) kgeography
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<a5benwillis>
cliebow_: I compared the paermissions and ownership toanother machine and theyre the same.
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<pscheie>
the sources.list files are identical
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any idea what would cause this difference in apt behavior?
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<cliebow_>
gotta run down to surry school..bbiab
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<ogra>
ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache madison kgeography
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kgeography | 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
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pscheie, you need universe for it
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<a5benwillis>
ok, I chmoded thefile 600 and that error went away
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<cliebow_>
i see 644 mentioned
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any logging to it?
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<a5benwillis>
yes
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<cliebow_>
anything juicy?
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<a5benwillis>
hmm
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cant open it
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<cliebow_>
600
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<ogra>
sudo :)
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<a5benwillis>
i tried sudo gedit
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coulnt detect file type
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<cliebow_>
prob cat will suffice
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maybe smething with strings?
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<a5benwillis>
cat worked
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must be binary
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<ogra>
you need to quote if you use gedit ...
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<cliebow_>
just cant tear myself away....
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<a5benwillis>
ok
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<ogra>
oh207, couldnt detect filetype ?
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hmm
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<a5benwillis>
now the new ssh isnt processing my /etc/pam.d/ssh file
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but there is what appears to bea new file called pam-ssh-auth in there?
08:23
Have I thanked you guys for all of the help?
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.
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THAKS!!
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erm
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THANKS!!
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<a5benwillis>
is there another place that ssh reads the pam info?
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<pscheie>
ogra: you rock! adding universe to sources.list fixed it. thanks!
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<ogra>
:)
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<a5benwillis>
of courseogra rocks, lol
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<ogra>
keep apt-cache madison in mind ;) uts very helpful to find out where a package is coming from
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*its
08:50* pscheie almost feels foolish considering how simple the answer was--almost
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<pscheie>
someone mentioned that the other night but i didn't understand it until now
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do you know where the Desktop Background setting is stored? I want to change it
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default Desktop Background, I mean
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<ogra>
less /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu
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copy this to be /usr/share/gconf/defaults/25-custom and tweak it
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higher numbers override the lower ones ...
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so all changes you make in 25-custom will become defaults
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<pscheie>
oh, that's great, nice and easy
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<bricode_>
fancy
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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<a5benwillis>
ogra: Anyideas on my new ssh problem :)
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<a5benwillis>
well it appears that sshd is ignoring my pam configuration AND the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file!!!! Very odd
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I changedthe startup port to 222 in the config just as a test and it still runs on 22. There must be another config file that its looking to.
09:49
.
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<a5benwillis>
mistik1_: Are you around?
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<mbooma>
Gadi: u there ?
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<Gadi>
physically. emotionally. psychologically -> maybe
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sup?
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<mbooma>
hi there. I just download ur alsa.tgz thingy. to make it work with my esd
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but without luck.
10:32
btw I needed to ask that does one needs to have a sound card to be present on the server to get things going. or having snd card on the client would do ?
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<Gadi>
no need to have a card on the server
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unless you want to play sounds from the server :)
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<mbooma>
no dont have card on the server. just the clients
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<Gadi>
keep in mind, sound goes over ESD
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even with my patch
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<mbooma>
just download this LTSP-esd-alsa_1.0.0-2.tgz . I think u wrote this
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<Gadi>
a lot of people confuse the patch to make sounds go over alsa
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<mbooma>
hmm
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<Gadi>
right
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you still need to get the applications to use esd
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what distro are you on?
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(my patch allows the client to use ALSA drivers)
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instead of OSS
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<mbooma>
btw Im have Dell GX thinclient with isapnp: Card 'CS4236B'
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<Gadi>
mbooma: do you get errors in autodetecting the driver?
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<mbooma>
followed that reference without luck
10:37
no when client boots I do get that tick/tuck kinda sound
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<Gadi>
ah, ok
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<mbooma>
besides xmms is also playing but just cant hear the sound
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<Gadi>
so, the sound works on the client
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you just need to get sound *to* the client
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<mbooma>
yeah only I dont hear it
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<Gadi>
what distro?
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<mbooma>
k12ltsp 5
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all update
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ltsp 4.2
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<meuserj>
ok.. we have ltsp on a linux server booting thin clients which connect via rdesktop to a Windows Server 2003 Terminal Server... The users would like to be able to access removable media inserted into the thin client
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<Gadi>
huh. and have you tried testing sound from the Sound Preferences test button?
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<mbooma>
meuserj: currently access is only limited to linux systems
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<Gadi>
meuserj: which LTSP?
10:39
<meuserj>
what would be the best way of doing that.... ltspfsd doesn't seem appropriate...
10:39
<Gadi>
if ur using LTSP 4.2 you can grab my package for enabling that
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<mbooma>
yeah tried from that section without luck though
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<meuserj>
I believe it is LTSP 4.2... though I have no /etc/version file for some reason, so I'm not positive
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<mbooma>
Gadi: usbs on windows ? what /which package
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<a5benwillis>
hiya Gadi
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<Gadi>
meuserj: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#LTSP_4_2_RDP_localdev
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<meuserj>
Gadi, thanks, I'll take a look
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<Gadi>
a5benwillis: hi
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<mbooma>
so Gadi any goodies for my sound ?
10:43
I've ripped my hair out in getting the thing to run
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<Gadi>
mbooma: well, you should really isolate where the problem is
10:44
on the server, if you open a shell and run "gstreamer-properties"
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what does the audio sink say?
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(im assuming ur using Gnome)
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<mbooma>
yeah gnone
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<mbooma>
Gadi: yup esd setup nice. but without sound
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<Gadi>
and when you hit test is there an error?
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or do you just not hear anything?
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<mbooma>
nope no error. just no sound
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<Gadi>
ok, now... can you adjust the volume on ur thin client speakers?
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<mbooma>
Default Output plugin= ESD... but without sound
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<Psych0>
hi there
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<Gadi>
ok, but do you have volume adjust knob on ur speakers?
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<mbooma>
Default input plugin = alsa
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<Psych0>
is there a way to set a TC monitor refresh rate?
10:48
<Gadi>
X_VERTREFRESH=<range>
10:48
<mbooma>
nope no volume knobs
10:49
<Gadi>
mbooma: try setting VOLUME=90 in your lts.conf
10:49
and reboot thin client
10:49
<mbooma>
yeah did that
10:49
<Psych0>
Gadi, that one is like 60Hz and so one, right?
10:49
<Gadi>
I usually do: 60-60
10:49
<mbooma>
already try various levels. currently its at 90
10:49
<Gadi>
just to be safe
10:49
<Psych0>
Gadi, thanks ;)
10:50
<Gadi>
mbooma: ok, keep the test sound button going and make sure you:
10:50
a. have the speakers in the right port
10:50
b. that when you plug speakers into the server the sound isnt coming out there
10:51
mbooma: if you arent getting an error, then its usually one of those 2 problems
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<Gadi>
something physical
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<poro>
ogra: about the slowness. I just noticed that my session works faster when I start it from the thinclients shell with X query. But I guess it is just me
10:52
<mbooma>
Gadi: : I dont have card in the servcer
10:52
and in the client I have tried all the ports (just in case)
10:52
currently I have headphones as well speaker connected to the client
10:53
but guess what? yup. no error and no sound
10:53
<Gadi>
mbooma: are you specifying a driver in your lts.conf?
10:54
if you applied my esd-alsa package, you must specify an alsa sound driver and not an oss one
10:54
<mbooma>
yup. mind if I paste in pvt
10:54
<Gadi>
ie, snd-cs4236
10:54
go for it
10:55
I hope it reads: SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236"
10:55
:)
10:55
<bricode_>
Gadi: More xorg.conf goodness...ugh.
10:55
<Gadi>
bricode_: I told u I fixed mine, right?
10:55
<bricode_>
Gadi: No...what did you do?
10:56
Gadi: I was fighting last night to get dual head working.
10:56
<Gadi>
Option "DDC" "false"
10:56
<mbooma>
voila
10:56
<Gadi>
:)
10:56
<bricode_>
It's pretty sweet.
10:56
<mbooma>
exactly
10:56
<bricode_>
Gadi: Silly hidden options :)
10:56
<mbooma>
gadi: http://pastebin.com/887360
10:56
<Gadi>
bricode_: yeah, the DDC xorg mod was throwing out my modelines becase it cant go above 130MHz clock freq
10:56
it=ddc
10:57
<bricode_>
Gadi: Weird.
10:57
<Gadi>
nah, just doing what it thinks is right
10:57
silly computers
10:57
always think they know best
10:58
pastebin is always slow for me....
10:58
<bricode_>
Gadi: Don't they? :)
10:59
<mbooma>
Gadi: and yeah I've disabled the global (server) version of esd/nasd, volume thingies
11:00
<Gadi>
mbooma: you may also want to drop into a shell and type "hostname"
11:00
make sure you get ws117
11:00
just a sanity check that your settings are actually getting set
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<mbooma>
yup. ws117
11:01
<Gadi>
huh.
11:02
thats just weird
11:02
<mbooma>
tell me about it
11:02
<Gadi>
have you tried a soundblaster driver?
11:02
snd-sb16
11:02
<mbooma>
tried couple of other workstation, just to remove the doubt that the physical sound jacks might be busted. but no luck. same thing there
11:03
the snd module is the right one cuz when I dont load the module /var/log/messeges still logs/detects this module
11:03
<Gadi>
and no errors on the thin client side on boot right
11:03
<mbooma>
nope none
11:04
<Gadi>
if you open a terminal on the thin client desktop and type: esdplay <some wav file>
11:04
do you get anything?
11:05
<mbooma>
nope. no sound. along with no errors
11:05
<Gadi>
how about: echo $ESPEAKER
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<mbooma>
tnframe ~]$ echo $ESPEAKER output is ws117:16001
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the debug shell also coughs up esd to be running when I "ps aux |grep esd
11:07
<Gadi>
ok, do you have a shell on the thin client that you can pop over to?
11:07
i gues you do
11:08
<mbooma>
like I said f*&#K the "sound on ltsp terminal" doc inside out
11:08
<Gadi>
ok, at the shell type: alsamixer
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<mbooma>
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
11:09
<Gadi>
see what the volumes of the channels look like
11:09
ah....
11:09
at the shell, do: lsmod|grep snd
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<mbooma>
in the debug shell "alsamixer" gave me the gui kinda thingy but I already incread the PCM, and master digital audio to 70
11:12
<Gadi>
ok, try this:
11:12
on the server, copy a wav file to: /opt/ltsp/i386/
11:12
<mbooma>
yeah in a debug shell I've lots of snd module loaded
11:12
u mean /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/ ?
11:12
<Gadi>
sure
11:13
whichever is ur ltsp root for the thin client
11:13
<mbooma>
did that startup.wav & tried running it without luck
11:13
<Gadi>
(did you make sure to install my package to that dir? - default is /opt/ltsp/)
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<mbooma>
I copied to /etc/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/ and I see the file there. so I spose this directory has been chrooted
11:14
yeah I installed then in /opt/ltsp-4.2/
11:14
<Gadi>
ok. on the shell, type: aplay /etc/startup.wav
11:17
<mbooma>
In the debug shell it says Playing .......wav file. : Signed 16 bit little endian ....
11:17
<Gadi>
and do you hear it?
11:17
<mbooma>
but in the user shell I get the errors I pvt pasted u some..
11:17
<Gadi>
Im not getting any pvt msgs
11:17
<mbooma>
ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'
11:17
ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device
11:18
......... etc..
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<Gadi>
sounds like it doesnt see ur card
11:18
alsa that is
11:18
<mbooma>
but this is in the normal(gui) user shell. knsole and not the debug shell
11:19
<Gadi>
I would question whether its the right driver
11:19
oh, no
11:19
<mbooma>
but then why Im not hearing the preference-> sound .. test etc..
11:19
<Gadi>
all this should be done in the debug shell
11:19
not gui
11:19
gui is on the server
11:19
<mbooma>
yeah. like I said debug plays its (kinda okay) but without sound
11:20
debug shell i.e.
11:20
<Gadi>
when you do aplay in the debug shell
11:20
<mbooma>
mbooma: In the debug shell it says Playing .......wav file. : Signed 16 bit little endian ....
11:20
<Gadi>
right?
11:20
ah, ok
11:20
if that says its playing
11:20
and you get no errors
11:20
<mbooma>
yeah no errors
11:20
<Gadi>
then your speakers are not working
11:20
the volume's not up
11:21
or you're in the wrong jack
11:21
<mbooma>
tried/changed few speakers/headphones
11:21
did the mathematical permutation/combination on all the 3 jacks
11:21
<Gadi>
heh
11:21
<mbooma>
with one change
11:21
<Gadi>
and alsamixer from the debug shell
11:21
you turned all the volumes up?
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<mbooma>
yeah all the volumes. most importantly the PCM & master digital sound
11:22
baffling isnt it ?
11:23
<Gadi>
sure is
11:23
did you check the bios?
11:23
maybe the bios has sound turned off?
11:23
<mbooma>
nope ? for what ? enabling disabling the sound ? hmm. wait. letme check my adjacent systems bios
11:24
sound / speaker are on
11:24
ON i.e.
11:25
any other ideas ? Im open to all
11:26
Gadi: u there ?
11:27
<Gadi>
heh, im stumped
11:27
<mbooma>
wait do I need toi chmod the /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer ot uo+rw ?
11:28
just going thru one of the docs
11:29
<Gadi>
they are irrelevant
11:29
<mbooma>
btw the alsamixer shows the master digital to be "off" although the volume is turned up
11:30
<Gadi>
oh, well turn that on
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<mbooma>
Gadi: u rock like hell
11:31
and Im dumb like it
11:32
stupid , idiot , how could I miss it.
11:32* Gadi wonders why it was off
11:32
<mbooma>
thanx Gadi. didnt run into this GUI kinda tool (alsamixer) was flirting with aumixer, or amixers
11:32
<Gadi>
it should have been turned on by rc.sound when the thin client booted
11:32
wait
11:32
it wont stick
11:32
try a reboot
11:33
<mbooma>
yeah. then how come its not
11:33
how do I make it permenant
11:33
or survive the boot
11:34
### for ALSA, we use amixer
11:34
amixer sset Master,70 ${VOLUME}% unmute
11:34
amixer sset Headphone,70 ${HEADPHONE_VOLUME}% unmute
11:34
amixer sset PCM,70 ${PCM_VOLUME}% unmute
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<Gadi>
1 sec
11:35
ph call
11:35
<mbooma>
these are the some of the lines. I tired this 70 thing myself. but it was erroring on me on the boot.
11:35
okay
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<Gadi>
mbooma: can you try rebooting the thin client, drop into shell, run alsamixer and see if its off?
11:37
<mbooma>
okay see u in a bit
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11:39
<meuserj>
Gadi, ok, I tried the RDP localdev packages you sent me to... doesn't seem to work. is there anything special I need to do besides the two lts.conf lines? This is the ltsp distributed by Ubuntu if that makes a difference..
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11:40
<Gadi>
Ubuntu's LTSP doesn't even have rdesktop as a screen sript does it?
11:40
<meuserj>
when I startup as a shell, the lbussd daemon does not seem to be running... if I try to run it manuall, it complains that it is a read only filesystem. .should I set up a tmpfs mount or something?
11:40
<mbooma>
Gadi: nope didnt survive the boot
11:41
<meuserj>
Gadi, I made a rdeskop script for it.
11:41
<Gadi>
mbooma: ok, drop into the shell and type: amixer scontrols
11:41
meuserj: ah
11:41
well, that pkg was intended for LTSP 4.2
11:41
<mbooma>
yup everything is down to 0
11:41
<Gadi>
I don't know if it would work with ubuntu's ltsp
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<mbooma>
meuserj: : try edubuntu
11:42
<Gadi>
mbooma: what is the name of the master control?
11:42
<mbooma>
Master Digital
11:42
<Gadi>
nah, edubuntu doesnt have support for that either
11:43
<meuserj>
Gadi, ok, I'll look through the package scripts and see what it is intending to do and see if I can port it over to the way Ubuntu does it
11:43
<mbooma>
gadi and PCM
11:43
<Gadi>
ok, now try: amixer sset Master Digital,0 90 unmute
11:43
in the shell
11:43
<meuserj>
Ubuntu == Edubuntu... they aren't different distros... only difference is the set of default packages installed.
11:44
<Gadi>
meuserj: I can tell you what it does
11:44
in 4.2, there is an "lbus" system
11:44
that does not exist in UbuntuLTSP
11:44
because ubuntu does everything through the ssh socket
11:45
what that package does is it runs lbussd on the thin client and expects to hear from lbuscd about hotplug events
11:45
but, none of the lbus stuff is in there
11:46
I *have* done some work on RDP+localdev in LTSP 5 (Ubuntu LTSP)
11:46
<mbooma>
Gadi: amixer sset 'Master Digita'l,0 90 unmute and mixer sset 'PCM',0 90 unmute
11:46
<Gadi>
basically, it boils down to installing autofs in the chroot
11:46
<mbooma>
is doing the trick
11:46
<Gadi>
and setting up automounter
11:46
<meuserj>
Gadi, ah, I see.. ultimately all I need is a way for the thin client to automatically mount drives when they are inserted.. because I can forward everything to the server via rdesktop
11:46
<Gadi>
meuserj: correct
11:46
and in ltspfs, the drives arent mounted upon insertion
11:47
mbooma: ok, add a line to your /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/rc.sound
11:47
right under the one where it sets the Master chanel
11:47
<mbooma>
where ?
11:47
<Gadi>
an identiacal line but with 'Master Digital'
11:48
line 89
11:48
<meuserj>
this has basically been solved if you are running a full fledged desktop..... but no one thought to create a lightweight solution if you don't want to run the whole project utopia stack.... grrr
11:48
<Gadi>
amixer sset Master,0 ${VOLUME}% unmute
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<Gadi>
add another that reads: amixer sset 'Master Digital',0 ${VOLUME}% unmute
11:49
meuserj: zactly
11:49
all the volume mounters are built into the desktops
11:49
and they are all pretty heavy
11:52
<mbooma>
Gadi: shouldn't I set the volume level to say around 70 etc.
11:52
?
11:52
<Gadi>
mbooma: if you keep it as a variable, you can set it in lts.conf
11:53
<mbooma>
ahh
11:54
<Gadi>
you get the problem right? seems the master channel for that card's driver is called "Master Digital" rather than "Master" (like on all the cards I have)
11:54
so, we need to have it set both
11:54
:)
11:54
I'll add it to my rc.sound and upload a new pkg when I get a chance
11:55
<mbooma>
hey hey. I contributed to ltsp project
11:55
which other idiot could have suffered from this
11:56
should I give it a reboot ?
11:56
<Gadi>
yup
11:56
<mbooma>
okay bbiab
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<mbooma>
Gadi: Im speechless
11:59
it works flawlessly
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<mbooma>
Gadi: okay onto new problem. the package u said about mounting usb drives under windows. would it work with multi os enviornment (I've a linux at screen1 and windoze in screen2
12:01
<Gadi>
mbooma: it shoudl
12:01
er, should
12:01
<mbooma>
is it production ready
12:01
?
12:02
<Gadi>
is anything we do?
12:02
;)
12:02
<mbooma>
man u r good
12:02
how old are u ?
12:02
<Gadi>
old enough to have been around the block too many times
12:02
but not as much as Jim ;)
12:03* Gadi kicks jammcq's rocking chair
12:03
<mbooma>
yeah hes a giant the buzzard in the LOTR movie
12:03
<Gadi>
heh
12:03
<mbooma>
okay man I'll see u around. kiss kiss
12:04
<Gadi>
oh, and im happily married, too, btw
12:04
:P
12:04
<mbooma>
gonna go now. cya :)
12:04
<Gadi>
cya
12:04
<mbooma>
rock on
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<a5benwillis>
Gadi: U around?
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<Gadi>
physically. emotionally. psychologically -> maybe
12:28
<meuserj>
Gadi, ok.. using autofs I have a solution that will work for now. thanks for the tips
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12:32
<cliebow_>
Gadi:your webmin/symbio pkg still available? url?
12:33
<Gadi>
cliebow_: its not very well maintained anymore, what with Ubuntu and K12LTSP having more in the way of mgmt tools these days
12:33
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Im still workingon this SSH problem
12:33
I did get a patch from the OpenSSH guys but it doesnt seem to fixit. bah
12:34
<Gadi>
a5benwillis: did you get nss_ncp going?
12:34
<cliebow_>
just need to play with dhcp management..thought your code might b a good place to start..not to sure how to pasrse dhcpd.conf..and add/subtract entries
12:34
<a5benwillis>
havent gotten to that yet. wanted to test this thing from them first.
12:35
Mainly because the NSS switch fixwill require a major change to my existing user accounts
12:35
<Gadi>
really?
12:35
why?
12:35
<cliebow_>
why?me?
12:35
<Gadi>
heh, sorry
12:35
a5benwillis: why
12:36
<cliebow_>
what? me? worry?
12:36
<Gadi>
cliebow_: ah
12:36
<a5benwillis>
actually, i take that back... I havent gotten that far along in testing or thinkingabout NSS. We thought that the ncp module may be able to make that work transparently.
12:36
<Gadi>
a5benwillis: are the ncp usernames = unix usernames?
12:37
<cliebow_>
how did you attack mltiline dhcpd.conf entries?
12:37
<a5benwillis>
but, ifthis patch wouldwork it would have made things much simpler one it was in place because only a single pam authentication module wouldbe need for all of the configuration.
12:37
<cliebow_>
in 5 seconds or less 8~)
12:37
<Gadi>
cliebow_: you mean specifying workstations?
12:37
<cliebow_>
yeah..
12:37
<Gadi>
let me dig up an example and ill pastebin it
12:38
<cliebow_>
im thinking a perl cgi page to administer dhcp for our winders admins
12:38
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: The will be if this module would work because ncp usernames wouldbe created in unix. Is that what youre asking?
12:38
<cliebow_>
since i finally see the light ahead to throw out windows dhc[
12:39
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Ordo youwant to know if they are compatible? The nds usernames dont workwith UID etc.
12:39
<Gadi>
no no I just mean very superficially - are they the same usernames?
12:39
or do you munge them?
12:39
<a5benwillis>
cliebow: I used Novell dhcp servers to boot my PXE clients....
12:40
Gadi: Yes they are the same. Thewhole purpose is to be able to manage all users form NDS.
12:40
<cliebow_>
i use linux on port 1001/2 and windows for pxe..netvista..macintosh
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<Gadi>
a5benwillis: then, nss+pam should do the trick for you
12:42* kaminski-ltsp-br is back
12:43* kaminski-ltsp-br is back
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<Gadi>
cliebow_: http://pastebin.com/887440
12:43
<cliebow_>
gotcha
12:44
pastebin is being difficult..
12:45
<a5benwillis>
always is
12:45
<Gadi>
cliebow_: I'm sending you another one which services fat and thin clients and allows unspecified workstations to connect
12:46
as soon as pastebin cooperates
12:46
<cliebow_>
cool..pastein must be on dialup
12:47
ahh
12:47
<Gadi>
u aint kidding
12:47
here: http://pastebin.com/887445
12:48
<a5benwillis>
memory leak..
12:48
<cliebow_>
i was more thinking perl code to manipulate said dhcpd.cnf
12:48
<Gadi>
ah...
12:48
well thats a bit more involved
12:48
:)
12:48
my code'll make you crazy
12:48
best to stay away
12:48
<cliebow_>
so no worries..i have several to work with..one i swiped from smoothwall
12:49
<mistik1_>
lol @ Gadi
12:49
<Gadi>
mistik1_ knows the score ;)
12:49
<cliebow_>
besides..i'm already crazy!
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<a5benwillis>
mistik1_: Hola
12:53
<cliebow_>
Gadi: any bright way to open that workstation manager rpm?
12:55
cpio?
12:56
<Gadi>
there's an old tgz file on the sf.net site
12:56
that should have the code you need
12:56
<mistik1_>
a5benwillis: hey
12:56
<Gadi>
but, an old version
12:57
but, prolly as old as the rpm ;)
12:58
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Do you understand whatthe comment in this post means?
12:58
<cliebow_>
rpm2cpio?
12:58
<a5benwillis>
http://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269#c3
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<Gadi>
heh, cute hack
13:00
a5benwillis: they are basically making an nsswitch module that always returns true to a name lookup
13:00
<a5benwillis>
soI complie the nss module
13:00
then useit in nsswitch
13:01
<-cant type today
13:02
<Gadi>
yeah, compile it using "permit.so" instead of "passwd.so"
13:02
put it in the right place
13:02
and edit your /etc/nsswitch.conf to have: passwd: compat permit
13:02
and then restart ssh
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<knight>
hi all
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<knight>
any improvements on wireless ltsp
13:08
<cliebow_>
knight:i dont think anyone has addressed tit
13:08
it
13:08
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Should I be able to compliethat on my workstationthen copy it over to the server without problems?
13:08
<Gadi>
are they the same distro?
13:08
<a5benwillis>
yes
13:08
<Gadi>
both 32-bit x86?
13:08
<a5benwillis>
well, edubuntu andubuntu
13:08
but both edgy
13:09
yes
13:09
<Gadi>
should be good-to-go
13:09
<a5benwillis>
I sure am learning alot by trying to getthis working
13:10
<Gadi>
well, its too bad you've had to resort to hackery :)
13:10
one would think with Novell being a Linux company, this might be easier ;)
13:10
<a5benwillis>
isnt that the spirit of Linux
13:10
<KeepWalking_>
i cant get found templates
13:10
<a5benwillis>
if it dont work changeit so it will
13:10
erm spirit of open source
13:11
<Gadi>
the spirit of Linux is that if it don't work it'll be fixed and assimilated into the Borg collective
13:11
<knight>
ok
13:11
<a5benwillis>
lol
13:11
<knight>
so nothing has been done for wireless thin client computing
13:11
<a5benwillis>
where would be the right place to put this module? Can I put it anywhere and just reference it will the full path in nss?
13:11
<Gadi>
knight: LTSP is not a good fit for wireless
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<knight>
ok why not
13:12
<Gadi>
unless you use an external wireless bridge
13:12
<cliebow_>
knight..there is an ancient floppy image..\
13:12
<Gadi>
because there is no such thing as "dumb wireless"
13:12
:)
13:12
<knight>
lol
13:12
<Gadi>
and LTSP is all about dumb clients
13:12
<KeepWalking_>
where can i found initial sciprts foe ltsp?
13:12
<Gadi>
if you use a wireless bridge, then you're better off
13:13
<knight>
oh ok
13:13
<Gadi>
otherwise, use something like knoppix or PXES andconnect to the server
13:13
<cliebow_>
you need a kernel to initisalize most wireless..but ltsp is about d/ling the kernel across the nnetwork...
13:13
<Gadi>
zactly
13:13
<cliebow_>
catch 22
13:14
<Gadi>
easier to have a bootable floppy/cd/usb with an OS and connect to the server
13:14
<knight>
I have an Idea with wireless booting
13:14
<Gadi>
or have an external wireless bridge connected to your LAN port and use LTSP
13:14
<knight>
I will finish the documentation
13:14
and publish it
13:14
also test it
13:15
<Gadi>
sounds good
13:15
<cliebow_>
knight:speak up while you have a wizard here
13:15
<Gadi>
we're always open to new ideas
13:15
<knight>
ok
13:15
well
13:16
this is a little IDEA
13:16
have a wireless router
13:16
most preferable openwrt
13:16
<KeepWalking_>
i cant found my templates folder
13:17
<knight>
and if you take a look at creating
13:17
<meduxa>
http://www.laopinion.es/media/suplementos/2007-02-26_SUP_2007-02-19_14_37_31_etc.pdf
13:17
if you look at page 13 of this pdf you will see an article about LTSP project
13:17
I wrote and it was published in a local newspaper
13:17
here in tenerife, spain last sunday
13:18
this sunday they will publish a second one
13:18
it is in spanish
13:18
the newspaper is La Opinion de Tenerife : www.laopinion.es
13:18
<knight>
bootable cd which allows the nic card
13:19
<Gadi>
meduxa: impresivo!
13:19
:)
13:19
<knight>
to boot in pxe
13:19
<KeepWalking_>
where can i get initial scripts?
13:20
<cliebow_>
KeepWalking_, how do you mean?a lot is built into the initramfs
13:20
<Gadi>
knight: the problem is, PXE is just that: Preboot eXecution Environment
13:20
so, its by definition pre-OS
13:20
<knight>
ok
13:20
<Gadi>
but, you need an OS to initialize the wireless
13:21
there is currently no support for wireless PXE
13:21
<knight>
which means we can specify a ssid and a password?
13:21
<Gadi>
mostly because there's so much more config for wireless
13:21
<knight>
right
13:21
but why not start small
13:21
<a5benwillis>
where would be the right place to put this module? Can I put it anywhere and just reference it will the full path in nss?
13:21
<Gadi>
the best you can hope for is to boot to a Linux kernel that will download the linux kernel from LTSP and kexec it
13:21
but kexec is very new
13:22
<knight>
ok
13:22
but
13:22
<a5benwillis>
oh crap
13:22
<cliebow_>
oooh..two kernel monte...Gadi you played at LL EITH IT?
13:22
<knight>
the ltsp server will be wired
13:22
<Gadi>
and if ur gonna go to all that trouble, you might as well just put an OS on C and use XDMCP to connect to the application server
13:22
<a5benwillis>
now I ant run sudo. ARGH
13:22* cliebow_ cliebow pries the capslock key off and trashes it
13:22
<Gadi>
the ltsp server will be wired?
13:23
i thought we were talking wireless
13:23
<knight>
the ltsp will be wired to an openwrt
13:23
there will be changes on the dhcp conf file of the openwrt
13:23
<cliebow_>
there
13:23
<knight>
to make the thinclients boot to the ltsp server
13:23
I will test it and write a documentation
13:23
<a5benwillis>
cliebow:What can I do to fix this? "Sudo: timestamp to far in the future"
13:24
<knight>
so you guys can take a look at it
13:24
<Gadi>
kighah, so you would use the openwrt as a wireless bridge
13:24
<cliebow_>
hmmm.time is ok on the server?
13:24
<Gadi>
that works
13:24
done that before
13:24
even with a 5-port switch and a wireless bridge
13:24
<a5benwillis>
I hadjustchanged it because it was wrong.
13:24
restart x?
13:25
<knight>
nope
13:25
htats not what I mean
13:25
thats
13:25
<cliebow_>
i dont know if a copy of that file will get a new timestamp
13:25
<knight>
I wil document it better so you guys can understand it
13:26
<Gadi>
okey dokey
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<KeepWalking_>
im going crazy!!! theres no /opt/ltsp/templates!!!
13:26
where can i get that templates?
13:27
<a5benwillis>
cliebow: sudo -K fixed it
13:27
<cliebow_>
.ahh good man
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13:27* Gadi has no idea what /opt/ltsp/templates is....
13:27
<Gadi>
anyone?
13:27
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Where would be the right place to put this module? Can I put it anywhere and just reference it will the full path in nss?
13:28
<cliebow_>
me neither..
13:28
<Gadi>
where is ur libnss*?
13:28
prolly /usr/lib
13:28
<a5benwillis>
yes
13:28
<Gadi>
it needs to go in an ldconfig path
13:28
so, I shoot for /usr/lib
13:28
:)
13:28
<mistik1_>
Its a pam module right?
13:29
<a5benwillis>
yes
13:29
<Gadi>
oh
13:29
<a5benwillis>
no
13:29
nss module
13:29
<mistik1_>
ok, lead on then Gadi
13:30
<Gadi>
Im just going by the page a5benwillis posted
13:30
:)
13:30* Gadi knows nothin about birthin no babies
13:32
<a5benwillis>
ok time to learn about nsswitch
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<AbuSami>
cliewbow_ ,there ?
13:35
my question is : I need to vnc a thin client, is this possible ?
13:36
Gadi, did you look about it ?
13:36
<Gadi>
AbuSami: are you on LTSP 4.2?
13:36
<AbuSami>
yes
13:36
<Gadi>
then, its easy
13:36
<cliebow_>
Abusami:several ways to do it
13:36
<AbuSami>
well
13:37
<Gadi>
on the server, create a vnc passwd
13:37
<AbuSami>
how this
13:37
<Gadi>
using vncpasswd
13:37
<cliebow_>
did you look at the wiki?
13:37
<AbuSami>
okay
13:37
<Gadi>
copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.vnc/passwd (you must create this directory)
13:37
<AbuSami>
cliebow_ : sorry, I didn't
13:38
Gadi, then
13:38
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Do I just rename permit.so to libnss_permit.so.2??
13:38
<Gadi>
then, in lts.conf add: X4_MODULE_01 = vnc
13:39
<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc
13:39
<Gadi>
AbuSami: then, reboot the thin client. and from then on, you should be able to connect to it with: vncviewer <thin-client-ip>:0
13:40
or you can do it the way cliebow_ suggests
13:40
with x11vnc
13:40
<AbuSami>
cliebow_, thank you :)
13:40
Gadi : thanks I got it
13:40
<cliebow_>
y links are screwed though
13:40
<Gadi>
depends if you want it going all the time
13:40
or on demand
13:40
cliebow_: does that wiki still run it with ssh?
13:40
<AbuSami>
no all the time, because the instructor have to see the students on the clients
13:41
<Gadi>
I have found it nice (tho less secure) to have it run from inetd
13:41
<cliebow_>
Gadi: yes..ssh in start x11vnc wait a few seconds then vncviewer
13:41
i never tried vnc.so
13:41
<Gadi>
ah, with inetd no need to wait
13:42
<cliebow_>
i need to study what you just said..is that good for ltsp5 as well?
13:42
<a5benwillis>
Gadi:Quick question, I think. Hope you guys are done..
13:43
<Gadi>
a5benwillis: sorry - short attention span
13:43
look! a bird!
13:43
<cliebow_>
a plane!
13:44
ok.. a rasta farian ..an atheist and a Jewish fellow walk into a bar..
13:44
<Gadi>
a5benwillis: I believe when you compile that code, it'll produce a libnss.....
13:44
<AbuSami>
thanks all, bye
13:44
<Gadi>
oy vey es mir
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<a5benwillis>
I did this on my machine
13:45
sudo gcc -c -o permit.c
13:46
<cliebow_>
Gadi: your way is far too easy
13:46
<a5benwillis>
oops
13:46
sudo gcc -c -o permit.opermit.c
13:46
<Gadi>
a5benwillis: I think you need to keep everything passwd
13:46
<a5benwillis>
sudo gcc --shared -o permit.so permit.o
13:46
<Gadi>
until the "permit.so"
13:46
in the second command
13:46
<a5benwillis>
oh ok
13:48
souse permit.so in the second command instead od passwd.so?
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<Gadi>
y
13:49
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: So this comand: ' sudo gcc --shared -o permit.so passwd.o
13:49
'
13:49
<cliebow_>
!seen ogra
13:49
<ltspbot>
cliebow_: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 54 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <ogra> so all changes you make in 25-custom will become defaults
13:49
<Gadi>
y
13:49
<a5benwillis>
should produce the file libnss.permit.so.2??
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<a5benwillis>
well, it made the file permit.so
13:50
so how do I get libnss.permit.so.2?
13:52
<Gadi>
hmm
13:52
try using "permit" instead of "permit.so"
13:52
the post seems to suggest that will make a libnss_permit.so.2
13:52
<a5benwillis>
that just makes a 'permit' file
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<Gadi>
hmm
13:54
not sure
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13:54
<Gadi>
so maybe try: libnss_permit.so.2
13:55
<a5benwillis>
ok
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<a5benwillis>
done
13:59
so in nsswitch I put passwd:compat permit ??
13:59
<Gadi>
yup
13:59
<a5benwillis>
do I putthe libnss.permit.so.2 there?
13:59
<Gadi>
no
13:59
just permit
13:59
<a5benwillis>
oh ok
13:59
<Gadi>
libnss goes in /usr/lib
13:59
i believe
14:00
<bricode_>
knight: I'm interested in wireless LTSP. Don't let these kids fool you :)
14:00
<a5benwillis>
well that was different LOL
14:01
let me see whatthe log file sais happened
14:01
<Gadi>
bricode_'s lookin for a fight
14:01
we settle are fights on the playground
14:01
3:00
14:01
dont be late
14:01
<cliebow_>
kids..
14:03
<a5benwillis>
well it didnteven hit my pam module after that change
14:03
i type the password and thessh connection closes
14:04
<bricode_>
Gadi: Well, you know I'm a fat client kid.
14:04
Gadi: And I'll be pushing the wireless :)
14:04
I like to disturb the status quo.
14:04
<Gadi>
its always the fat kids....
14:04
<bricode_>
only issue is flakey NFS kills the client.
14:04
Gadi: You got something against fatties? :)
14:05
<Gadi>
i eat fatties like you for breakfast
14:05
:)
14:05
<cliebow_>
lesse..on the feminine side...warmth in the winter
14:05
shade in...
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<cliebow_>
I'd LOVE to send these ibooks out as wireless clients..
14:06
but it doesnt look so promising..
14:06
<bricode_>
It's cold where I am. -9C...calculation to fahrenheit left as an exercise to the reader.
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<bricode_>
cliebow: I've been doing a lot of thinking about it. Haven't totally figured out all the wrinkles yet.
14:07
cliebow: This week was dual head thin clients. Next week Manhatten and Berlin.
14:07
<cliebow_>
bricode..do it all the time...double the number..move decimal place once and subtract..then add 32
14:08
-9 18 16.2 49.2
14:08
heh
14:08
<bricode_>
cliebow: Um, that didn't quite work out.
14:09
<cliebow_>
-9 -18 ..-16.2 add 32
14:09
ah hell..
14:09
<bricode_>
cliebow: closer.
14:10
cliebow: how many power books do you run in your setup?
14:10
<cliebow_>
150 here
14:10
another 150 in middel school more or less
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<bricode_>
cliebow: And you want to run all of them wirelessly?
14:11
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Any idea what i've done wrong?
14:11
scary question
14:11
<cliebow_>
no.. just a thought..they run wirelessly in osx
14:12
bricode: my last must be close..15.8 F
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<bricode_>
Yeah, I'll give you the last one. First one wasn't even below freezing :)
14:14
<Gadi>
a5benwillis: did you remember to restart ssh?
14:14
<a5benwillis>
yes
14:14
<Gadi>
what happens if you type: getent passwd
14:15
<a5benwillis>
oh wait!
14:15
checking logfile
14:15
<cliebow_>
those minuses will do it..
14:15
<knight>
bricode_ ok man
14:15
I will work on it
14:15
<a5benwillis>
eventhough it didntlet me log in itdid use the NCP module and it authenticated!
14:15
<knight>
and create a documentation
14:15
<a5benwillis>
i bet I need to enable non root logins to ssh
14:16
<Gadi>
sounds good
14:16
<cliebow_>
be sure you document it when you get to WOOOOOOOT!
14:16
<bricode_>
knight: I'm more interested in a small kernel that loads wireless and other stuff (WPA), then loads a larger kernel from the server with more stuff in it (ie: USB module support).
14:16
<Gadi>
bricode_: aka kexec
14:16
<bricode_>
knight: But the OpenWRT stuff is good too. I've got it installed on my router here.
14:16
<Gadi>
nobody listens to me
14:16
<bricode_>
Gadi: Yes.
14:16
<Gadi>
not even the fat kids
14:16
<cliebow_>
Hahah
14:17
<bricode_>
Gadi: Oh, I listened, just didn't acknowledge you. Fattie hater :)
14:17
<knight>
kik
14:17
lol
14:17
<cliebow_>
id like to play kexec on the netvista clients..a 2.6 kernel is larger enough to bork them
14:17
<bricode_>
Gadi: That's what Jim was talking about when I was down in MTV.
14:17
<Gadi>
yeah, jim's a talker
14:18
;)
14:18
where is jammcq?
14:18
<jammcq>
I don't talk
14:18
never
14:18
ever
14:18
<knight>
lol
14:18
<Gadi>
there he is
14:18
<jammcq>
well, maybe sometimes
14:18
<cliebow_>
postulates
14:18
<knight>
so you see what I mean right
14:18
<pscheie>
jammcq: do you even own a phone?
14:18
<mistik1_>
a5benwillis: You better document this, its an area in which I have much interest but never a NDS to play with
14:18
<knight>
you see the vision
14:18
<jammcq>
pscheie: pfff, yes
14:18* Gadi wipes up the drool around grandpa jammcq's lips
14:18
<mistik1_>
lol
14:18* bricode_ connects the dots...jammcq == Jim
14:19
<jammcq>
heh
14:19
<knight>
work with openwrt to make thinclients bootup from a wired ltsp server
14:19
<Gadi>
its like weekend at bernies around here
14:19* bricode_ is a little slow occasionally
14:19
<mistik1_>
jammcq: I still remember the first time we met, You had no voice left with which to talk ;)
14:19
<Gadi>
fat kids aint terribly quick
14:19
<jammcq>
mistik1_: yeah, talked too much that week
14:19
<a5benwillis>
mistik1_: Will do
14:20
<cliebow_>
ok gents: heading to the hospital to check on my Mom..Save the good stuff for when i getr home ok?
14:20
<mistik1_>
Blessing for cliebow_'s Mom
14:20
<cliebow_>
8~)
14:21
hopefully feisty will install itself while i drive..
14:21
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: I think all I need to do now is replace the ssh_conf withthe ltsp one
14:21
when I reinstalled openssh from source it wrote a new one
14:21
<Gadi>
i dont think there's a special one for ltsp
14:22
you just want the ubuntu
14:22
apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server
14:23
but, if you do that, dont forget to run ltsp-update-ssheys
14:23
because ur keys will prolly change
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<a5benwillis>
my goodness, so closebut not yet working
14:26
deep breath
14:27
WAIT!!!
14:27
HAH
14:27
<Gadi>
(here come the capitl letters...)
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<a5benwillis>
no, spoke to soon
14:31
itsbeing authenticated by NCP now Gadi
14:32
yet it stillsays failed password for ssh2
14:33
mistik1_: You still here?
14:33
Im gonna pastebin this log entry, theres abt 20 lines, for you guys to see
14:34
<Gadi>
okey dokey
14:34
<a5benwillis>
waiting on patebin to load...
14:36
whatdoe the compat line do in nsswitch?
14:36
<Gadi>
do you understand the concept of nsswitch?
14:36
in general?
14:36
<a5benwillis>
for the most part
14:36
it tells what order and whereto check for authorization
14:37
right?
14:37
file
14:37
http://pastebin.com/887523
14:37
mistik1_: You'll find thisinteresting
14:38
<Gadi>
well, it tells which order to look up "names"
14:38
ie which databases and in which order
14:38
<davidj>
I'm off....
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<Gadi>
a5benwillis: looks like the ncpmount is failing
14:41
<a5benwillis>
yeah, butthat shouldntfail the whole authentication.it doesnt for gdm
14:42
<Gadi>
it seems ssh is more picky
14:42
<a5benwillis>
for sure
14:42
<Gadi>
it wants everything in your ncp pam module to succeed
14:43
<a5benwillis>
i can turn that off easily
14:43
<Gadi>
is there a way you can not do the ncpmount?
14:44* KeepWalking_ theres no /opt/ltsp/templates!!! why?
14:44
<mistik1_>
hmm
14:45
a5benwillis: I'm assuming you have tested ncpmount outside of the ss login attempt
14:46
Its only failing because of the mount
14:47
ssh is not part of this equation at all
14:47
ssh is failing because pam_ncp_auth is returning with error
14:47
<Gadi>
unless the equation is: ssh(success) = ncpmount(success) * fudge factor
14:47
<mistik1_>
heh
14:48
<a5benwillis>
howdo I clearmy clipboard ?
14:48
i cant copy/paste. tryinga change to the auth line
14:48
<Gadi>
tissue paper?
14:48
<mistik1_>
lol
14:48
<a5benwillis>
lol
14:50
i got it
14:51
<mistik1_>
as in it works?
14:51
<KeepWalking_>
i need ltsp_initialize... but its not on /opt/ltsp/templates
14:51
how can i get it? help me please
14:51
<a5benwillis>
no, i got the clipboard to work
14:51
sry
14:52
<mistik1_>
KeepWalking_: what are you talking about?
14:52
<KeepWalking_>
mistik1_
14:53
<mistik1_>
first of all if that dont exist then #1 You did not install correctly #2 You are using a version of ltsp that does not use that
14:54
<KeepWalking_>
mistik1_ the newest versions dont need them?
14:54
<mistik1_>
If its not there after install, obviously not
14:55
<KeepWalking_>
mistik1_ so not even one script to config dhcp, gdm? nothing?
14:56
<Gadi>
KeepWalking_: what version are you trying to install?
14:56
<mistik1_>
iirc that script was history a few versions ago
14:57
<KeepWalking_>
Gadi 4.2
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<mistik1_>
KeepWalking_: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
14:58
read that
14:58
closer to the mark http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#Installation_of_LTSP_4_2
15:01
<KeepWalking_>
mistik1_ thanks
15:01
<mistik1_>
sure
15:05
<a5benwillis>
wel the nvpmount doeswork for me whenI log in via ssh
15:05
but I already exist on the server.
15:07
<Gadi>
do other users work if you take the ncpmount stuff out?
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15:10* efra_away is away: I'm out to lunch | Sali a comer
15:13
<a5benwillis>
hmm
15:13
will ssh not loetyou log in if thepassword matches the userid?
15:14
<KeepWalking_>
bye thanxz all
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<a5benwillis>
the account I was testing with is setup this way
15:14
<dan__t>
bleh.
15:14
Anyone running 4.2 over FC6, with all the FC updates?
15:14
I seem to be hitting a brick wall with some Firefox issues... just trying to see how this all relates.
15:14
A few sites will kill Firefox
15:17
<a5benwillis>
sry dan, not me
15:18
<mistik1_>
dan__t: prolly flash
15:20
<dan__t>
wikipedia.com has no flash on it :)
15:26
<Gadi>
dan__t: open a terminal and run: strace -o strace.out firefox
15:26
then, when it barfs, you can look at the end of strace.out
15:26
and see why perhaps
15:26
<dan__t>
good idea, brb.
15:28
<a5benwillis>
Gadi: Im lost, again
15:29
when I try to log in asa user that doesnt already exist it asksfor the passowrd, I can seein the log file thatit authenticates them. But the last thing it doesis fail the userin sshd
15:31
<mistik1_>
a5benwillis: this is a user that exists in the NDS but does not on the linux server?
15:31
<a5benwillis>
yes
15:31
<mistik1_>
use pam_mkhomedir
15:31
<a5benwillis>
but the ncp module will do that.
15:31
<mistik1_>
It will create the homedir of the user on login if it does not exist
15:31
ok
15:32
Then i'm on the wrong track :)
15:32
<Gadi>
a5benwillis: is it failing with the ncpmount?
15:32
or just in general
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<mistik1_>
lets see the log
15:33
<a5benwillis>
it fails whetheri have the ncpmountopion on or not
15:34
let me pastebin them
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pastebin is slow
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.
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but heres the line that fails:
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Feb 22 15:03:09 EduBuntuLTSP sshd[25534]: Failed password for studentmcms from 10.10.15.1 port 54144 ssh2
15:40
I'll have url in just a sec
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<a5benwillis>
.
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link
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.
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http://pastebin.com/887573
15:46
you know what, I wonder if the other patch that I installed with new openssh source could be conflicting
15:46
Should I make uninstall it or just do apt-get reinstall?
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<Gadi>
(15:19:21) Gadi: apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server
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(15:20:09) Gadi: but, if you do that, dont forget to run ltsp-update-ssheys
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gotta run, a5benwillis
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may the force be with you
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<a5benwillis>
thanks man!
15:54
have a good weekend
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<joebaker_>
16:47
GDM Logouts.... Does GDM wait for all user processes to die before letting go of a logout session? I run a persistant screen session for an ncurses chat program. I find that my logouts of an XDMCP session lock up the thin client such that I cannot switch over to a text console (ctrl-alt-F1) for example.
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<KeepWalking_>
hi
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i get the ip and try to get the file, but always says file not found, when the IS there
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<daniQ>
cliebow - can't open modem
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<KeepWalking_>
i get the ip from dhcpd and try to get the file, but always says file not found, when the IS there
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<cliebow_>
daniQ:hmm..dont know what that is about..the driver was compiled for one kernel..prob using a different one
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<cliebow_>
Baslls
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Sllab
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Jeez..works better beackwards
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<a5benwillis>
so is this chan dead on the weekend
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<cliebow_>
daniq:thanks for trying..i wonder whether you have a new kernel we didnt compile the modem for
18:32
try it from the windows side shen you have a chance..
18:34
<a5benwillis>
ah cliebow_ still here I see
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<cliebow_>
i keep it on at home so i dont miss any tidbits 8~)
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<a5benwillis>
lol
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Im sick in the head. I just cant get away form this NCP thing. I had planned to leave it alone for the weekend LOL
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<cliebow_>
used to be a lot of cool stuff happened on Saturday\
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we did the package.def for x11vnc one Saturday for 4.1..i think it was
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it was so cool..four of us hacking on it...
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<a5benwillis>
nice teamwork
18:38
amazing how much goes on in these chans really
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<cliebow_>
nowadays it is over my head ..
18:38
<a5benwillis>
lots to be learned here
18:38
<cliebow_>
great est kind of people..i had em here for ltsp-by the sea..then in Montreal for ltsp-by the seaway
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then in San Francisco last November
18:39
<a5benwillis>
so when does ogra get back?
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<cliebow_>
not sure..short trip for him
18:40
relatively
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<a5benwillis>
does he live in the UK?
18:40
<cliebow_>
no Germany
18:40
<a5benwillis>
ahh
18:41
hard to tell via text conversations :)
18:41
<cliebow_>
surely..
18:41
Im in Maine..Jim in Michigan..rjune in Indiana
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<a5benwillis>
Im sure I sound southern though. hard to hide my accent LOL
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<cliebow_>
heh
18:42
i get chided for my euphemisms a lot
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we dont say y'all..but we do say chowdah
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<bricode>
Waterloo, Canada.
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<a5benwillis>
heh
18:44
<TheProf>
Allo. Hope everyone is well. I am sure this is a straightforward thing, but I'm getting the following yum error when I do yum check-update:
18:44
<cliebow_>
ahh..should have known..-9 C
18:44
must have felt like a heat wave
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<TheProf>
"Repository legacy-utils already added, not adding again" then "Setting up Repos" then "http://download.fedoralegacy.org/fedora/3/os/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found"
18:44
<bricode>
cliebow_: Which you failed miserably at the first time :)
18:45
<cliebow_>
but was dead on the scond...added when i shoulder subtracted
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<bricode>
Indeed.
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<TheProf>
then "Trying other mirror.Trying other mirror." then "Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: legacy-base" then finally "failure: repodata/repomd.xml from legacy-base: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try."
18:45
Thoughts? thank you.
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<cliebow_>
TheProf:i fell out of fedora before there was a yum..cant help a bit
18:46
<TheProf>
cliebow_, ah. Ok cool
18:47
<cliebow_>
can you try that url manually?
18:47
even in ubuntu sometimes a minor revision number borks things
18:48
<TheProf>
cliebow_, negative -- the url does not exist
18:48
<cliebow_>
how far back can you cut it before the 404?
18:48
<TheProf>
Just tried that. Went all the way back to the .org.
18:49
seems this relates to the legacy project getting shut down.
18:49
<cliebow_>
that sucks...
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<TheProf>
Alright - no problem. Thanks.
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<jammcq>
hello
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<a5benwillis>
hi
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whos around for a quick dumb question????
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ok I'll ask
20:09
I have a 'small test application' that came with an NSS module that Im testing. I cant figure out how to 'execute' it
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Ive tried sh, perl, python......
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the instructions say "Run the test program with the -U option"
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seen
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.
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nm
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duh
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./
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