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Channel log from 14 February 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:20
<senthil>
how can find out option-129 "NIC=" parameter client sie;
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00:27
<MacIver>
realtek should be pci, you are having that error for some other reason...
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00:58
<senthil>
how to configure option option-129 'NIC='
00:58
allow bootp;
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02:12
<tuukka>
hi! i have following setup: gutsy with ad authentication ... i have succesfully managed to get local devices to work on thin clients, but each time i restart the server i have to open up file /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules and save the file and restart udev ... if i don't do this then the local devices don't work at all on clients! any ideas??
02:13
oh and fuse.rules properly shows that the group i want to give the local dev rights is 'unixdevices' so it doesn't lose the contents of the file...
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03:16
<shamot>
Hi there. I need a little push, I configured XSERVER in lts.conf but I need to find out if it works fine, I want to take a look at Xorg.0.log but I dont know how/where.
03:17
<johnny>
set a password on the chroot
03:17
and then rebuild the image if necessary
03:17
after that, boot a client, and then you can go to the terminal and check what's actually executing on the machine itsel
03:18
<shamot>
so if I change lts.conf it it necessary to rebuild the image?
03:18
<johnny>
no
03:18
well not if it's outside the chroot
03:18
if it is inside, then yes
03:18
but setting the password is the important thing
03:19
<shamot>
and how do I manage that?
03:20
<johnny>
i just told you
03:20
set a password inside the chroot
03:20
and then rebuild the image
03:21
<shamot>
ok, I am going to try it, thanks
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04:23
<Pascal_1>
hello
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04:49
<Pascal_1>
i've got a lttle problem, when i m connecting on the thin client i've got the good keybord on the graphical interface (lts.conf), but when i go on the console (ctrl + alt + f1) the keyboard is qwerty but i want azerty. then on the ltsp server i do chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and dpkg-reconfigure console-data, i reboot the client but the keyboard is always qwerty. what is the problem ?
04:51
an other question is when i'm logged on the thin client what is the way to switch off the client ? there is no link
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05:08
<tuukka>
Pascal_1: i'm not the best person to answer but i'll try ... thin clients (at least on edubuntu) don't allow you to switch off client without first logging off. after you log off, you should have 'preferences' on down-left which has the option to shutdown etc...
05:09
<Pascal_1>
ok thanks !!
05:09
i try
05:10
<ogra>
Pascal_1, there is no problem, thats by design :) .... if you switch to console you actually switch to the clients console which is usually locked by default, and has no accounts, so we dont configure it
05:10
<johnny>
hmm.. that causes a problem with autologin tho
05:11
<ogra>
??
05:11
<johnny>
if you get autologged in, you can't shut it down :)
05:11
<ogra>
right
05:11
<Pascal_1>
ogra you speak about console-data ?
05:11
<ogra>
johnny, i wrote a small wikipage about that somewhere with an example of a shutdown script
05:12
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPClientShutdownReboot there it is
05:13
note that a real shutdown script should be a bit bigger and care for cleaning up all the cruft before blindly shutting down, else you will have a ton of leftovers
05:14
its only proof of concept stuff
05:14
Pascal_1, you can change the console-data setup in the chroot if you need to :)
05:14
<johnny>
i'm running into more problems with sabayon in 2.22
05:14
or 2.21 thatis
05:14
<ogra>
dpkg-reconfigure -phigh console-data i think
05:15
johnny, file bugs please
05:15
<Pascal_1>
that what i do but it doesnt works
05:15
<johnny>
with who? :)
05:15
<Pascal_1>
root
05:15
<ogra>
i can only work on stuff for which bugs exist from today on
05:15
<Pascal_1>
i activate root
05:15
<ogra>
LP
05:15
<johnny>
why would i file bugs in launchpad?
05:15
the issues are with gnome
05:15
not ubuntu
05:15
<ogra>
Pascal_1, its not supposed, to, find out why and file me a bug and i can change it :)
05:16
normal users will usually never see the client console
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05:17
<johnny>
the issues are replicated on my gentoo and ubuntu installs
05:18
one bug is filed, the other i'm doing more research on
05:18
<ogra>
johnny, gnome packages are available in LP as well
05:19
indeed, if you can get the fixes upstream in time thats better
05:20
but if not, LP is the shorter way to get them in
05:20
<johnny>
the problems will have to be fixed
05:20
one is with gvfs itself
05:20
<ogra>
(i think upstream faces a freeze as well very soon)
05:20
<johnny>
upstream can't release in this state
05:20
imo
05:20
<ogra>
what ahs gvfs to do with sabayon ?
05:21
+has
05:21
<johnny>
yeah.. it's fun :)
05:21
start a sabayon session
05:21
save it
05:21
close the window, and you get an error
05:21
it can't clear out the homedir cuz ~/.gvfs is mounted
05:22
killing gvfsd doesn't unmount them either
05:23
the other bug is with xnest and gnome-settings-daemon, and that bug is filed
05:23
one of the maintainers said he will look at it tomorrow
05:23
<ogra>
well, hardy wont have xnest i think
05:24
(not sure even gutsy had it, upstream is pushing for xephyr)
05:24
<johnny>
it's a bit late in gnome feature freeze
05:24
to use xephyr
05:25
<ogra>
hmm, right, we still have it
05:25
even in main
05:25
weird
05:25
since feisty nobody in ubuntu land is using xnest anymore
05:25
<johnny>
gdmflexiserver --xnest ?
05:25
<ogra>
i would have assumed our package selection would reflect that
05:25
i meant devs :)
05:26
<johnny>
well gdm still uses it
05:26
in a very useful way
05:26
<ogra>
g-s-d might even be an X issue
05:26
<johnny>
perhaps.
05:26
i'm going to talk to federico about xephyr
05:27
<ogra>
given that the keyboard handling changed compeltely
05:27
<johnny>
we may have to get a freeze exception on their side as well
05:27
<ogra>
not sure how hard *that* is :)
05:28
<johnny>
are you interested in working on specific bugs other than those/
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05:28
<johnny>
i have a few that i consider important
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05:29
<johnny>
tryin to get the thing running has taken away hacking time :)
05:29
i do have a hardy vm tho
05:29
so i can do testing
05:29
altho i'm having trouble with the virtualbox additions working
05:29
don't have the easy cursor thing going
05:30
and very low res
05:30
but i do see vbox-add in lsmod
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so something is there
05:31
ogra, but the gvfs thing needs to be fixed
05:31
i'm not sure if we should add specific code to sabayon to unmount it
05:31
<ogra>
did you talk to seb128 ?
05:31
<johnny>
i will be
05:31
i just figured it out tonight
05:32
<ogra>
i can imagine that can also cause issues with nfs mounted homedirs and the like
05:32
<johnny>
there are too many open issues that i consider show stoppers for gvfs
05:32
just by reading the bug list
05:32
the networking stuff is hardly integrated
05:33
<ogra>
according to seb the only thing ot working is ftp afaik
05:33
at least thats what he said in a meeting recently
05:33
<johnny>
take a look http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query=product:gvfs
05:41
maybe i'll sleep now..
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06:33
<senthil>
i m using pci card but i am facing this error
06:33
ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card.
06:33
PCI cards should be detected automatically.
06:33
ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require
06:33
the nic driver to be specified in a 'NIC=' parameter
06:33
to be passed on the kernel command line,
06:33
usually specified in option-129, in the
06:33
/etc/dhcpd.conf file. See the LTSP docs for more info.
06:34
can any one help me
06:34
<ogra>
!pastebot
06:34
<ltspbot>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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06:48
<ogra>
senthil, that looks like amessage from ltsp 4.x ... might be that there is no support for your card in the 4.x kernel
06:49
(its pretty old)
06:58
<Pascal_1>
does avahi-daemon is usefull for ltsp or i can deactivate it ?
07:00
<ogra>
on the server ?
07:00
<Pascal_1>
yes ?
07:00
<ogra>
its used by some apps if you enable their sharing capability
07:00
but wont be used by default for anything
07:00
<Pascal_1>
i think is responsible of the speed of the network : very slow
07:01
<ogra>
it doesnt do anything
07:01
apart from sitting in some bytes of RAM
07:03
(as long as you dont enable rhythmbox or totem filesharing indeed)
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07:04
<Pascal_1>
i desactivate it my network is faster
07:04
!!!
07:04
<ltspbot>
Pascal_1: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
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07:05
<ogra>
do you have users on that system ? or are you the only one ?
07:07
(every user can enable filesharing in rhythmbox)
07:11
<Pascal_1>
this system is the ltsp server
07:12
<ogra>
where your users sessions run, yes
07:12
<Pascal_1>
yes
07:13
<ogra>
so if you have two users sharing their music you indeed have extra traffic, that could cause a slowdown
07:14
(even though using DAAP sharing on a host where everythng is local anyway is silly)
07:14
(but your users might not know :) )
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07:27
<cliebow_>
senthil:still having trouble with that rtl8139?
07:30
<senthil>
s
07:31
<cliebow_>
i dont know if ubuntu respects option 128 and 129 in dhcpd.conf
07:33
<senthil>
that is only for ISA card
07:34
<cliebow_>
no..i dont think so..
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08:02
<ikonia>
moquist: are you free for another moment please.
08:08
<moldy>
hi
08:08
is there any good mechanism for configuring a "default" user account, i.e. to define settings for newly created users?
08:09
something that works for desktop environments too? /etc/skel does not really allow to pre-configure e.g. kde, does it?
08:15
<cliebow_>
moldy: i use skel for a lot of default stuff like firefox and ooo...
08:19
<moldy>
cliebow_: hm
08:20
cliebow_: how do you do that? create a user, configure the defaults and copy the stuff into skel?
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08:22
<cliebow_>
yeah..
08:22
<moldy>
cliebow_: hm.
08:23
cliebow_: i am afraid that this might not work for some things, because stuff like the uid will be hardcoded into the files
08:23
cliebow_: but i did not actually try yet
08:24
<cliebow_>
i am unsure about kde stuff..
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08:24
<moldy>
i am going to need damn good pre-configuration to avoid the mob lynching me for abandoning windows :p
08:25
<cliebow_>
heh,,i been five years under the gun
08:26
<moldy>
another question: can i configure the login manager?
08:26
language and default session
08:27
<cliebow_>
using ldm?best ask Gadi when he popsin..
08:28
<moldy>
which audio packages do i need to install on the server?
08:28
so far, pulseaudio fails to start via the init script
08:33
hmm.... how does basic sound work in ltsp?
08:33
so far i am not able to get sound even on the server locally
08:33
ich pack mich mal in die pulse gruppe
08:34
*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Access denied
08:34
auch wenn ich in der pulse gruppe bin
08:34
oops sorry wrong channel
08:34
<cliebow_>
moldy:afraid i am not much help...
08:34
<moldy>
cliebow_: ah well, thanks
08:39
<Gadi>
moldy: we use pulseaudio for sound in LTSP5: a pulseaudio daemon runs on the thin client and on the server, the appropriate environment variables are set upon login so apps using pulse point to the thin client
08:40
now, we also set up a virtual alsa device
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08:40
<moldy>
Gadi: ok, good
08:40
<Gadi>
that is really a fake-sound card called "pulse"
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08:40
<Gadi>
so, anything that uses alsa should play to that "soundcard"
08:40
which really redirects audio across to the client
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08:41
<Gadi>
now, in kde, that probably requires getting artsd to use the "pulse" sound card
08:41
<moldy>
Gadi: on the server, i cannot run alsamixer. on the client, it works. is this "right"?
08:41
<Gadi>
yes
08:41
<moldy>
ok
08:41
is there a simple app i can use to test sound?
08:41
<Gadi>
alsamixer on the server will prolly point to the server's soundcard or fail if it does not exist
08:42
well, there's another piece you should know
08:42
<moldy>
alsamixer gets a permission denied error from pulse on the server
08:42
<Gadi>
in your /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ dir, there should be a script that sets the "pulse" soundcard as the default upon login
08:43
hmm
08:43
<moldy>
Gadi: http://phpfi.com/296413 = contents of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/Xsession.d/
08:44
<Gadi>
no not the chroot's Xsession.d
08:44
the *server's*
08:44
<moldy>
ah ok
08:45
<Gadi>
also, try downloading: pulseaudio-utils
08:45
er, installing
08:45
on the server
08:45
<moldy>
there is an 80_ltsp-sound
08:45
Gadi: they are installed
08:45
<Gadi>
ok, can you: paplay <some wav file>
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<moldy>
looking for a .wav file...
08:47
<Gadi>
check /usr/share/sounds
08:47
<moldy>
Gadi: no error message
08:47
not sure if my hardware is setup right :p
08:48
<Gadi>
did you set it up so you can get to a shell on the client?
08:48
<moldy>
hah, it works! thanks Gadi
08:48
<Gadi>
well, we're not out of the woods yet
08:48
that just means a pulseaudio client works
08:48
<moldy>
hehe ok. so, paplay works.
08:49
<Gadi>
so, you have 2 options at this point:
08:49
<cliebow_>
i thought you were just stuttering
08:49
<Gadi>
1. download the pulseaudio packages such that artsd can use pulseaudio and pipe everything through like that
08:50
2. Try to figure out why the virtual alsa device is not working properly
08:50
#2 would be preferred as it would cover lots more applications
08:50
which is why we try to do it that way
08:50
#1 only cover the apps that go through artsd
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08:51
<moldy>
i see. let me just try kde sound on the client...
08:51
<Gadi>
ok
08:52
<moldy>
"test sound" makes no sound, no error message
08:53
would it work in gnome? i have gnome installed, but it is not selectable in the login manager so far
08:56
<Gadi>
how did you install it?
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08:57
<moldy>
gnome? aptitude install gnome
08:57
<Gadi>
ah, prolly missing the package that sets it as a session alternative. whats the output of:
08:58
update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
08:58
<moldy>
ah wait... just noticing... it did not get installed for some reason...
08:58
installing again
08:58
<Gadi>
ah
08:59
<moldy>
anyway, about sound: any suggestions on how to debug the alsa issue?
08:59
<Gadi>
hmm... what happens when you try: aplya <some wav file>
08:59
er, aplay
09:00
<moldy>
plays sound
09:00
<Gadi>
ah, so alsa works!
09:00
<r3zon8>
whats one of the most common problems for 'nfs authentication failed' when booting a thin client? ive checked all the suggestions they made and im still stuck.. :/
09:00
<Gadi>
it must be artsd
09:00
<moldy>
trying amarok...
09:01
<Gadi>
we need to get artsd talking to the right card
09:01
try the kde control panel?
09:01
<ogra>
KDe should just be switched to use esd in the control center (in the backend the pulse esound plugin will hook in transparetly)
09:01
<moldy>
ok amarok works too
09:01
<Gadi>
ah, there ya go
09:02
so, switch artsd to use pulse instead of alsa, and any other things that talk straight to alsa will be covered by the virtual sound card
09:02
<moldy>
after switchting artsd to ESD in the kde sound settings, "test sound" works
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09:03
<moldy>
and amarok works, too... nice, thanks
09:05
still no sound from flash in firefox
09:07
if that one also works, i am happy :)
09:07
<Gadi>
heh
09:08
did you close the browser and open again?
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09:11
<moldy>
i think so...trying again just in case
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09:13
<moldy>
no sound yet
09:13
but flash is so slow -- could it be because the cpu is hogged?
09:15
<cliebow_>
jemstone:what's the scoop??going incognito??
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09:38
<Q-FUNK>
!g
09:38
<ltspbot>
Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11:40
<cliebow_>
hardy is Rockin!
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11:45
<ogra>
cliebow_, it runs ?
11:45
<cliebow_>
any debianistas handy?
11:45
Rocks..but it is alpha4
11:45* ogra still didnt have the opportunity to test
11:45
<ogra>
ah
11:45
yeah, well
11:46
there lie worlds etween alpha4 and today :)
11:46
<cliebow_>
should i check the md5sum for said?
11:46
<ogra>
i have the daily build here, i'll start a virtualbox install overnight
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11:48
<cliebow_>
still some wierdness..firefox file--edit--view--buttons wont work..etc
11:49
<ogra>
are you using the shipped firefox ?
11:49
install firefox-3.0 from universe, thats what will be in the release ;)
11:50
<cliebow_>
ok
11:50
<sutula>
cliebow_: What do you need (RE Debian)?
11:52
<cliebow_>
ohh..i guess it is unimportant..looking to try freenx and didnt know whether sid lenny was most current..
11:53
<sutula>
cliebow_: sid is unstable...most current. lenny is testing, about a week or two older than sid.
11:53
<cliebow_>
thank you..
11:53* sutula isn't sure that's what cliebow_ wanted to know :)
11:54
<Gadi>
sutula: hey: https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-trunk
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11:55
<ogra>
Gadi, new breakage ?
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<cliebow_>
wierd..firefoxs.0 shows same thing..not importnat now..indeed 8~)
11:56
<Gadi>
ogra: when I cleaned up the code for vagrant, I missed a couple of curly braces that were improtant
11:56
:)
11:56
stupid C
11:56
all better
11:56
and directx seems to work
11:56
at least, DISPLAY is set properly
11:57
<ogra>
sure
11:57* sutula doesn't have a system he can test that on
11:57
<ogra>
it always was
11:57
<Gadi>
oh
11:57
<ogra>
its just that it changes during login
11:57
<Gadi>
so, ur saying the problem is with the -X in the sentinel?
11:57
<ogra>
if the -X is in it points to localhost:something
11:58
there is a gap between starting the session and the ssh login
11:58
consolekit for example lives in this gap
11:58
<Gadi>
well, what I have now is this:
11:58
there is a -X in all connections BUT the X session one
11:58
<ogra>
as delayed-mounter *can* under certain circumstances
11:59
how do you mean ?
11:59
whats the Xsessions -X ?
11:59
<Gadi>
so, there is one in the master socket of the sentinel and all ltspfsmounter sessions created
12:00
but, when you call /etc/X11/Xsession, there is no -X
12:00
<ogra>
ah
12:00
<Gadi>
they are different ssh streams
12:00
<ogra>
do you test that under hardy ?
12:00
<Gadi>
Im not up to hardy yet
12:00
<ogra>
mah
12:00
<Gadi>
but, it should be the same
12:00
<ogra>
i'd like to see if you have any consolekit session with that
12:00
no, its massively different
12:00
thats the prob
12:01* Gadi needs to read up on consolekit it seems
12:01
<ogra>
most dbus authentication goes through CK now
12:01
<Gadi>
well, you can build my ldm-trunk branch
12:01
should be easy to test, if you have the hardy env already
12:02
btw, ogra, do you have an official debian/ dir for the upstream braanches?
12:02
<ogra>
so without any CK session it gets hard to use things like gnome-power-manager for example ... that in turn even though not important for ltsp will break the gnome logout dialog ...
12:02* Gadi had to make my own
12:02
<ogra>
i havent pushed a branch for them ... apt-get source is your friend
12:03
<Gadi>
right - but the branches have changed a lot
12:03
<ogra>
which branches ?
12:03
<Gadi>
unless you are talking hardy sources
12:03
the upstream branches
12:03
<ogra>
i'm talking the hardy packaging info
12:03
oh
12:03
<Gadi>
ldm-trunk and friends
12:03
<ogra>
no, i didnt use any hard specific branch this time, its all upstream trunk
12:04
<Gadi>
I assume you grab upstream trunk and then add you own debian dir
12:04
and roll
12:04
<ogra>
actually upstream trunk of feb 12th :)
12:04
right
12:04
<Gadi>
ok, so there's a hardy source out there with the official debian dir
12:04
cool
12:04
<ogra>
everything i do now will likely be patches to that snapshot
12:05
<Gadi>
ogra: sounds good
12:05
<ogra>
since the upstream version is frozen
12:05
<Gadi>
right
12:05
well, hopefully you will have a chance to look at gadi-ldm-trunk
12:06
<ogra>
next week i should have a bit spare time for that
12:06* Gadi looks forward
12:06
<Gadi>
:)
12:07
ogra: is a hardy chroot massively differnt than a gutsy?
12:07
ie did you have to work around any issues introduced?
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<ogra>
no
12:12
its pretty much the gutsy one based on the restructured code
12:12
and with bugfixes
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<gonzalo_test>
hi, I'm configuring ltsp5 in debiane tch, I'm following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto, is it mandatory to do this step? '3. Alternately, configure /etc/dnsmasq.conf:'
13:54
<johnny>
only if you don't already have dhcp and friends setup
13:55
<gonzalo_test>
johnny, where is the pxe image?
13:56
<johnny>
uhmm /var/lib/tftp*
13:56
<gonzalo_test>
I'm using dhcpd
13:56
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: you either configure dhcp3-server or dnsmasq- you need not configure both.
13:56
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, ok, I'm just using dhcp
13:58
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: what do you mean by pxe image? there is the pxelinux.0 bootloader ... that should end up in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
13:59
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, so I have to put in my dhcpd.conf: ' filename "/lltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";' ?
13:59
'/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";' ?
13:59
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: did you install ltsp-server-standalone ?
14:00
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, yes
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<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: then you should have a file in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ...
14:01
gonzalo_test: you can edit that and add a line to /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
14:01
gonzalo_test: or you can use that for an example of what to do.
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<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, which one is the valid file? I mean, I shouldnt create a /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and just use the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: please re-read what i said.
14:03
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, the guide tells to use the /etc/dhcp3
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<gonzalo_test>
my clients boot, but stop and say: 'nfsmount: need a path'
14:13
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: did you set next-server, as mentioned on http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ?
14:16
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, yes, can you chekt it?, here is y dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.ca/904228
14:16
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: have you restarted your dhcp server after your last edit ?
14:17
gonzalo_test: please use the pastebot:
14:17
!pastebot
14:17
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:17
<gonzalo_test>
ok
14:17
yes I restarted it
14:18
I restarted it again and now workd
14:18
works*
14:18
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: so the way you have it set up, only ws001, ws002 and ws003 are going to get the next-server setting
14:19
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, it is working just for one client
14:20
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: if you used something more like the example configuration, you wouldn't have to specify any clients in dhcpd.conf
14:21
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, is not possible to set up static ips?
14:21
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: yes, it is possible. is it desireable?
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<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, yes
14:22
<vagrantc>
ok.
14:22
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, but the way I do is not the correct?
14:22
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: looks fine, as long as you want to edit dhcpd.conf every time you add a new thin client
14:23
and remember to restart dhcpd each time
14:23
gonzalo_test: though i would actually put next-server in the upper section, not in the group section
14:24
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, but why isnt it working? as I said, it is working just for one client
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<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, yes I did that
14:24
vagrantc, but it is still not working
14:24
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: that's for you to figure out.
14:24
<gonzalo_test>
let me check the MAC address
14:24
<vagrantc>
my guess would be the MAC addresses are incorrect.
14:25
which is why i would recommend just configuring it with dynamic ip addresses...
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<vagrantc>
but if you have some specific reason to desire static ip's, then you figure it out :P
14:26
<gonzalo_test>
the MAC is ok, lets try with dynamic ips
14:26
<vagrantc>
in either case, move next-server into the upper section
14:30
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, the problem persists
14:30
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: what exactly is the problem?
14:30
<ltsppbot>
"gonzaloaf" pasted "subnet 192.168.190.0 netmask 2" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/448
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<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, this is my new dhcpd.conf http://pastebot.ltsp.org/448
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<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: looks like you
14:31
<gonzalo_test>
oohhh, I now uderstand why you want me to use pastebot
14:31
<vagrantc>
're missing a ; at the end of your range line
14:34
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, the problem persists
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<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: you still haven't said what the problem actually is
14:35
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, just one client boots until the X, another stops at: 'nfsmount: need a path'
14:36
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: and you fixed the missing ; ?
14:37
<gonzalo_test>
yes
14:37
<ltsppbot>
"gonzaloaf" pasted "subnet 192.168.190.0 netmask 2" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/449
14:37
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: is it different hardware?
14:38
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, yes, 3 different clients
14:39
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: is there possibly another dhcp server on the network?
14:40
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, maybe, but they are booting to my dhcp server, I cant find out now if it is another dhcp server, because people leaved the office
14:41
<vagrantc>
how can you be sure they're booting to your dhcp server?
14:41
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, but in the PXE boot I see that the client is accepting the offer of my dhcp server
14:41
<vagrantc>
sure
14:41
<gonzalo_test>
I see the ip
14:41
<vagrantc>
and then it makes another dhcp request later
14:42
<gonzalo_test>
oooh
14:42
in that case.... tomorrow I'll ask my co-workers to shutdown their dhcp servers, if any
14:43
vagrantc, is it a way to forve my clientst to use just my dhcp server?
14:43
<vagrantc>
the other possibility is that the network cards on some of your clients aren't getting detected
14:43
gonzalo_test: the short answer is no, there isn't a way to force your clients to use your dhcp server
14:44
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, I have tried an hour ago with TCOS and the worked
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<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: you're positive that the broadcast-address is correct?
14:45
gonzalo_test: the dhcpd.conf looks fine, presuming it's been restarted and is actually using that configuration.
14:46
so my guess is: multiple dhcp servers or network cards are not detected
14:46
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, yes it is correct, is practically the same dhcpd.conf that I used with TCOS
14:46
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: do you see any errors before you get the nfsmount error?
14:47
<gonzalo_test>
nop
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<vagrantc>
good luck.
14:47
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, I think there is another dhcp server
14:48
<vagrantc>
there is nothing more i can recommend.
14:48
<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, maybe I can comment the nameservers line
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<exodos>
anyone knows how to disable grub-update hook?
14:50
<vagrantc>
that isn't used till much later in the process
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<gonzalo_test>
vagrantc, let me isolate the clients from the office network and try, brb
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<gonzaloaf_work>
vagrantc, yes you were right, the problem was another dhcp server
14:54
<vagrantc>
gonzalo_test: putting two network cards in the LTSP server is a great way to go: one for network/internet access, and anotehr for the thin-client network.
14:55
<gonzaloaf_work>
vagrantc, yes I know, this is just a testing server
14:55
vagrantc, how is local devices, autologin working?
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<gonzaloaf_work>
correction: how are local devices and autologin working?
14:58
<warren>
vagrantc, the purpose of debootstrap is to install a debian chroot?
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14:59
<johnny>
they work with patches in ubuntu
14:59
but are fixed in hardy
15:03
<lns>
Just in case you guys haven't seen it, check out the second video with maddog - he talks about LTSP
15:04
http://www.linux.com/feature/126961
15:04
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: with plain etch, local devices aren't supported at all. with the backported packages, reasonably well.
15:04
<gonzaloaf_work>
autologin?
15:04
<vagrantc>
warren: yeah, debootstrap just installs a minimal debian chroot...
15:06
gonzaloaf_work: i have autologin working from the bzr branch, and hope to upload to unstable soon. once the upload is in unstable, i'll work on a backport.
15:07
<gonzaloaf_work>
ohh ok
15:09
<vagrantc>
hopefully within a week or so
15:10* vagrantc attempts to get new uploads of ltsp ready
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<gonzaloaf_work>
ltsp5 is walking slower than 4?
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<vagrantc>
"walking slower" ?
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<vagrantc>
otavio: so, for ltsp, you think we should only include the architectures we actually have network booting code for?
17:47
otavio: almost got an upload ready, and may as well drop some of these architectures while we're at it.
17:54
<otavio>
vagrantc: guess so
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<vagrantc>
otavio: but not for ldm?
17:56
<otavio>
vagrantc: i guess you could wait to see if arch problem isn't solve
17:56
vagrantc: keep on mind that it's the first time you had problem
17:56
vagrantc: and it's not a ltsp problem but a buildd issue
17:57
<vagrantc>
otavio: no, it's been a problem much more often
17:57
<otavio>
really?
17:58
<vagrantc>
otavio: it usually isn't this bad, but it's not uncommon for a slow buildd to delay the migration to testing by 1-3 days
17:59
otavio: i forgot if i asked already ... do we loose our place in the buildd queue if we upload a new version before they built the old version?
17:59
<otavio>
but i guess you could trust buildd people and believe it won't happen that ofthen
18:00
vagrantc: don't remember
18:00
vagrantc: however, once mips buildd gets fixed, it's a single day to get up to date
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<vagrantc>
well, maybe i'll leave all the arches for now ... although for some arches it seems kind of silly
18:02
the interesting thing, of course, is that the slowest architectures are the most likely to be useful as thin clients :)
18:04
<otavio>
hehe yes
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<ari_stress>
morning all :D
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<vagrantc>
ogra: whoah. we're, like... 99.9% synced on ltspfs?
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<aarrccchh>
hi all
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<esrin>
hello
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<aarrccchh>
hi
21:35
can i post questions on rdesktop here?
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<esrin>
I dont know if you can
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<vagrantc>
aarrccchh: are you trying to use rdesktop from an LTSP client?
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<aarrccchh>
yes
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<aarrccchh>
yes, ive been working on ltsp+ms windows environment. i got problem but im not very sure where does the problem reside
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<aarrccchh>
pls help
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<esrin>
how do you guess should one help without knowing the problem?
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aarrccchh?
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<aarrccchh>
:0
22:25
im waiting someone responding my query
22:27
im not certain whether rdesktop (+m$) topic be accepted here
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<esrin>
how about just asking?
22:32
<aarrccchh>
ok
22:34
ive been succeded running a small network of 10 clients connected to mswindows via ltsp+rdesktop
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but, randomly in time, the network was slowed down and eventually all clients were disconnected from windows
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i cannot find any log files that may explain this problem
22:38
right now i suspect that it has been a network problem. ie some network peripherals that might have problem
22:39
it happens once a day and sometime more
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im using k12ltsp 4.2+rdesktop 1.5
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thats it
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<|mathesi|>
aarrccchh: speak spanish?
22:44
<aarrccchh>
|mathesi|: so sorry i dont
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<|mathesi|>
aarrccchh: you can running ltsp 4.2 and rdeskto +windows?
22:48
<aarrccchh>
yes |mathesi|
22:48
its winxp pro
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<|mathesi|>
how many thinclient running?
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<aarrccchh>
10
22:50
<|mathesi|>
hardware in the server ltsp and server win xp pro?
22:50
cpu,memory, of servers?
22:50
<aarrccchh>
ltsp: pIII 800 256MB ram
22:51
winxp: p4 core 2 duo 2,66GHz 1 GB ram
22:51
<|mathesi|>
the server pIII 800 MHZ+256 MB RAM?
22:51
<aarrccchh>
yes
22:51
<|mathesi|>
and winxp pro?
22:51
<aarrccchh>
winxp: p4 core 2 duo 2,66GHz 1 GB ram
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<|mathesi|>
how many user you can login in win xp pro?
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<aarrccchh>
10 at thinclient + 1 at console
22:53
winxp has realtek gigabit lan net adapter running 100Mbps full duplex
22:54
<|mathesi|>
How many users simultaneously can have windows xp?
22:54
<aarrccchh>
10
22:54
<|mathesi|>
not 11 user?
22:54
<aarrccchh>
10 by remote + 1 on the console
22:55
yes 11
22:55
<|mathesi|>
not 12?
22:55
<aarrccchh>
what do u mean? simultaneusly 11
22:56
<|mathesi|>
How many runs the computer programs?
22:56
<aarrccchh>
all
22:56
<|mathesi|>
Simultaneous
22:56
<aarrccchh>
yup
22:56
<|mathesi|>
ms office?
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<aarrccchh>
not all the time i mean
22:57
but it could
22:57
no, i use openoffice
22:57
avg free antivirus
22:58
sometime disconnected problem occurs when it just have 3 clients connected
22:58
<|mathesi|>
10 users can run word at the same time via rdesktop
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<aarrccchh>
sometime 2 clients operating and sometime all 10 were operating
23:01
yes it could be, but no msword
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can occur 0 - 3 time a day
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<|mathesi|>
its possible?
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<aarrccchh>
what possible? i face this problem for this 3 months
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<|mathesi|>
is possible run ms word in 10 thinclients via rdesktop?
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<aarrccchh>
im not implementing that for now, but yes it is possible
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<|mathesi|>
ok
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<aarrccchh>
2 years ago i setup a ltsp network with 10 client + winserver 2003 running msoffice
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<|mathesi|>
hi mr vagrantc
23:18
<vagrantc>
hey
23:19* vagrantc grumbles that ldm was rejected
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<vagrantc>
gah, that basically means ltsp is in bad shape in every single part of debian.
23:38
<aarrccchh>
how sensitive is ltsp+rdesktop againts network traffic?
23:39
might bottleneck on network cause clients disconnected simultaneously from win server?
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<vagrantc>
otavio: *sigh* looks like i'll still have to rely on a sponsor for an ldm upload
23:42
otavio: unless ftp-masters are particularly responsive