IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 January 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<Damianos>
Hello?
10:35
<DeltaDog>
hello?
10:36* DeltaDog hello?
10:36
<Damianos>
Hi deltaDog
10:37
@ DeltaDog - Are you new here?
10:37* DeltaDog pardon my slowness...first IRC
10:37
<Damianos>
lol ditto
10:37
<DeltaDog>
are you xpert at ltsp?
10:38
<Damianos>
Not at all, I just found this place and was looking for help
10:38
<DeltaDog>
same here
10:38
<Damianos>
I've been trying to run an LTSP server in a virtual machine and have been getting a kernel panic on the client
10:40
<DeltaDog>
yikes...i installed accidently and now system not working....looking to uninstall
10:40
<Damianos>
I guess people only do private chat here or something because I see a million names on the user list and nobody's talking in the room
10:41
<sbalneav>
It's saturday morning
10:41
Lots of us dev's aren't even online :)
10:41
This one is tho'
10:42
<DeltaDog>
yea...this is new to me....I really want to disable this thing..any recommendations?
10:42
<sbalneav>
Disable WHAT thing?
10:42
<Damianos>
Hi sbalneav
10:43
<sbalneav>
Hello
10:43
<Damianos>
He wants to disable LTSP
10:43
<DeltaDog>
I installed ltsp by accidently hittinh Y at command prompt...now Fedora12 hangs
10:43
i'm just getting in as root now
10:44
<sbalneav>
I'd just use yum to remove it.
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<Damianos>
Can I ask you a question sbalneav?
10:46
<DeltaDog>
Ok I'll try that hopefully it's that simple don't use yum often
10:47
<sbalneav>
Damianos: Of course. That's what I'm here for
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10:47
<Damianos>
On edubuntu 9.10, is LTSP on the DVD or is it on the ubuntu alt CD like it was in 8.10?
10:49
<sbalneav>
I don't think it's on the dvd
10:50
but you should be able to USE the dvd to build the chroot
10:50
the ltsp packages themselves are quite small
10:54
<Damianos>
Ok so it's not me. I couldn't figure it out so I tried installing the ubuntu 8.10 alt CD+edubuntu 8.10 to test out LTSP instead. It's been close but no cigar
10:55
<alkisg>
Damianos, is your name Greek? !
10:55
<Damianos>
yes sir
10:55* alkisg is Greek :)
10:55
<Damianos>
Xerete
10:55
lol
10:55
<alkisg>
Xerete :)
10:56
<Damianos>
Are you a dev too alkisg?
10:56
<alkisg>
A newbie dev :P
10:56
<Damianos>
nice
10:56
I'm a newb user
10:56
the worst kind too
10:57
impatient and stubborn lol
10:57
<alkisg>
Edubuntu 10.04 supposedly will have a live LTSP session, right from the live dvd
10:57
<Damianos>
anyway
10:57
cool
10:57
I have had the worst time with LTSP unfortunately
10:57
<alkisg>
So it'll be really easy to use the edubuntu dvd for LTSP installation
10:57
Why so?
10:58
<Damianos>
Partly due to NIC drivers I think. The onboard LAN port always works flawlessly but any PCI NIC I find always hoses the system
10:59
Mind you I have been trying to do this for a school using old parts but I have the same situation when using a VM for the server
10:59
<alkisg>
Did you try the 2-nic scenario with 9.10? Or some previous Ubuntu version?
11:00
<Damianos>
I did it with whatever version came with ubuntu 8.10 alt CD. I'm trying to eliminate the possibility of driver issues by using a VM for the server
11:01
<alkisg>
In 9.10 I've put a script that should handle multiple NICs with no problems...
11:01
Previous LTSP versions in Ubuntu had problems with multiple NICs on the clients, they needed some obscure workarounds.
11:02
<Damianos>
sweet! So what is the installation process if I use the edubuntu 9.10 DVD? (It has the OS in it now right?)
11:02
do install the os from the dvd and do a "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" ?
11:03
<alkisg>
I'm not sure about the 9.10 DVD, I've been using the alternate ubuntu CD for LTSP installation so far.
11:03
You press F4 on the boot loader, select "install an ltsp server", and go on with the installation
11:03
After that you'll have an LTSP server configured automatically :)
11:04
<Damianos>
Great! I don't mind using any distro at this point. I just want it to work. How are NIC cards supported? do you find driver issues or are they the exception and not the rule?
11:05
<sbalneav>
Depends entirely on the nic card
11:05
If the linux kernel supports the nic card well, then we do too.
11:05
<Damianos>
is it the manufacturer or the chipset that matter?
11:05
<sbalneav>
Usually the chipset.
11:06
<alkisg>
Out of the maybe 20 different NICs I've tried so far, only one of them malfunctioned (in 8.10's kernel and was fixed in 9.04's kernel)
11:06
<sbalneav>
It's usually low-end cards that have problems.
11:06
<Damianos>
awesome.I'll try the 9.10 alt cd
11:06
<sbalneav>
I pretty much exclusively stick to E100 or E1000's
11:06
which haven't given me problems for years.
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<Damianos>
great, I found a that rosewill has NICs with linux drivers. They seem to have good reviews and are pretty low cost
11:08
I may try buying one of those if the ones we have recycled don't work
11:09
just so you know, this is for an elementary school and I'm trying to get them a second computer lab made from their "discard" pile
11:09
<johnny>
Damianos, linux drivers.. luckily you won't be installing them..
11:10
95% of all nics work out of the box..
11:10
<sbalneav>
Damianos: in general, you DON'T want something that comes with drivers you have to install
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<Damianos>
Great! Hopefully with the latest version of ubuntu/ltsp this will be easy
11:11
thanks for the tip
11:11
<sbalneav>
what you want is something that Linux supports "out of the box"
11:11
<Damianos>
ok
11:11
<sbalneav>
So, Intel Ether Express Pro 100's or 1000's (e100 and e1000)
11:11
3com cards work very well (3c50x)
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<sbalneav>
r8169 cards usually work.
11:12
best bet is to buy *one* first, and test.
11:12
if you're going to install it in a thin client that has an onboard nic, make sure you disable the onboard nic in the bios
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and whatever card you buy should support PXE booting
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<Damianos>
Well, I have found that the onboard NIC always seems to work on the client
11:13* alkisg has installed and used LTSP in 2 "discard pile" school labs so far :) Twenty 10 year old PCs from 10 different vendors, all devices worked flawlessly except for some isa sound card which I had no will to investigate
11:14
<Damianos>
great...do you guys have any tips on how to test using vmware?
11:14
<alkisg>
I'm using virtualbox, I haven't seen vmware since my windows days...
11:14
<sbalneav>
Don't use too much vmware myself.
11:15
<Damianos>
ok
11:15
I'm going to try another installation and test run on Monday and I'll be back Monday night
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<sbalneav>
bbiab
11:18
<Damianos>
BTW, I have been getting so frustrated mainly because I was having a hard time finding documentation for the latest ubuntu+ltsp. I've never used IRC before but am very glad I found this place. You guys are so helpful and I wanted to say thanks. You've all been great
11:19
<jcastro>
Damianos: I have been following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
11:20
<alkisg>
Ooooh a lot of outdated pages there
11:20
<jcastro>
and this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
11:20
yeah, the thing needs a little redo imo
11:20
<alkisg>
Yup the second URL is more recent
11:20
<jcastro>
or maybe point the older one to the new one
11:20
<Damianos>
I saw that too but didn't know if I should follow it since it has the big pink disclaimer
11:20
<alkisg>
We should merge the first ones into the second
11:21
Damianos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
11:22
<Damianos>
I gotta go now, but thanks again everybody for the awesome help...I'll be back on Monday night with hopefully some good news!
11:24
<alkisg>
"This is not the latest stable release of LTSP (4.1) but the new upcoming standard for LTSP (upstream codename MueCow)" ==> my god that's an OLD page... :D
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<timlinux>
hi all . Can anyone help? My previosly working ltsp on ubuntu 9.10 now gives a heap of messages like mountall mount /lib.initi/rw [381] terminated with status 1
14:06
mount: only root can do that
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I replicated it with 2 different clients
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does anyone know how to resolve that?
14:08
<johnny>
never seen it.. just stick around here for a bit.. hopefully somebody will answer
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but the weekends tend to be a bad time for support in the room
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if nobody answers here, post to ltsp-discuss lis
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list*
14:08
<kaos01>
i havnt seen that error either, just installed ltsp on fedora12, the local device usb seems to have problems
14:09
sometimes folders dont show up, sometimes files dont get saved ...
14:09
worked great in fedora11
14:11
i create a folder with files in windoze (on fat) than in ltsp cleint i cant see it
14:12
<timlinux>
johnny: thanks
14:12
<johnny>
there are very few fedora/gentoo ltsp users here..
14:12
most are on debian/ubuntu
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so it's much easier to get support for those
14:14
<kaos01>
hate that :)
14:14
whats wrong wit fedora ? :)
14:14
its so tempting to switch, but tryign to resist the temtation
14:15
<johnny>
nothing is wrong with fedora
14:16
i just said that most people aren't using it is all
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and the person who spent the most time developing support for fedora has a million other responsibilities, so he can't be here often
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<kaos01>
i was just expressing my impression, everything is ubuntu these days :)
14:18
its tempting to jump ships
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<johnny>
i still use fedora, just not for ltsp
14:24
fedora still is great for bleeding edge stuff in some cases.. like in the system itself
14:25
but.. for packages.. ubuntu seems tobe doing a better job, since they can rely on debian packages..
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: you may want to sync the ltsp-docs i just uploaded.
15:08
stgraber: when's your freeze begin, basically?
15:20
<stgraber>
vagrantc: mid-February
15:21
<vagrantc>
so a bit of time yet to break more :)
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