IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 January 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 10:35 | <Damianos> Hello?
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| 10:35 | <DeltaDog> hello?
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| 10:36 | * DeltaDog hello? | |
| 10:36 | <Damianos> Hi deltaDog
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| 10:37 | @ DeltaDog - Are you new here?
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| 10:37 | * DeltaDog pardon my slowness...first IRC | |
| 10:37 | <Damianos> lol ditto
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| 10:37 | <DeltaDog> are you xpert at ltsp?
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| 10:38 | <Damianos> Not at all, I just found this place and was looking for help
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| 10:38 | <DeltaDog> same here
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| 10:38 | <Damianos> I've been trying to run an LTSP server in a virtual machine and have been getting a kernel panic on the client
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| 10:40 | <DeltaDog> yikes...i installed accidently and now system not working....looking to uninstall
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| 10:40 | <Damianos> I guess people only do private chat here or something because I see a million names on the user list and nobody's talking in the room
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> It's saturday morning
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| 10:41 | Lots of us dev's aren't even online :)
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| 10:41 | This one is tho'
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| 10:42 | <DeltaDog> yea...this is new to me....I really want to disable this thing..any recommendations?
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> Disable WHAT thing?
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| 10:42 | <Damianos> Hi sbalneav
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 10:43 | <Damianos> He wants to disable LTSP
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| 10:43 | <DeltaDog> I installed ltsp by accidently hittinh Y at command prompt...now Fedora12 hangs
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| 10:43 | i'm just getting in as root now
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> I'd just use yum to remove it.
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| 10:45 | <Damianos> Can I ask you a question sbalneav?
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| 10:46 | <DeltaDog> Ok I'll try that hopefully it's that simple don't use yum often
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> Damianos: Of course. That's what I'm here for
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| 10:47 | <Damianos> On edubuntu 9.10, is LTSP on the DVD or is it on the ubuntu alt CD like it was in 8.10?
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> I don't think it's on the dvd
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| 10:50 | but you should be able to USE the dvd to build the chroot
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| 10:50 | the ltsp packages themselves are quite small
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| 10:54 | <Damianos> Ok so it's not me. I couldn't figure it out so I tried installing the ubuntu 8.10 alt CD+edubuntu 8.10 to test out LTSP instead. It's been close but no cigar
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> Damianos, is your name Greek? !
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| 10:55 | <Damianos> yes sir
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| 10:55 | * alkisg is Greek :) | |
| 10:55 | <Damianos> Xerete
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| 10:55 | lol
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> Xerete :)
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| 10:56 | <Damianos> Are you a dev too alkisg?
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> A newbie dev :P
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| 10:56 | <Damianos> nice
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| 10:56 | I'm a newb user
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| 10:56 | the worst kind too
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| 10:57 | impatient and stubborn lol
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> Edubuntu 10.04 supposedly will have a live LTSP session, right from the live dvd
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| 10:57 | <Damianos> anyway
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| 10:57 | cool
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| 10:57 | I have had the worst time with LTSP unfortunately
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> So it'll be really easy to use the edubuntu dvd for LTSP installation
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| 10:57 | Why so?
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| 10:58 | <Damianos> Partly due to NIC drivers I think. The onboard LAN port always works flawlessly but any PCI NIC I find always hoses the system
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| 10:59 | Mind you I have been trying to do this for a school using old parts but I have the same situation when using a VM for the server
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> Did you try the 2-nic scenario with 9.10? Or some previous Ubuntu version?
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| 11:00 | <Damianos> I did it with whatever version came with ubuntu 8.10 alt CD. I'm trying to eliminate the possibility of driver issues by using a VM for the server
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> In 9.10 I've put a script that should handle multiple NICs with no problems...
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| 11:01 | Previous LTSP versions in Ubuntu had problems with multiple NICs on the clients, they needed some obscure workarounds.
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| 11:02 | <Damianos> sweet! So what is the installation process if I use the edubuntu 9.10 DVD? (It has the OS in it now right?)
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| 11:02 | do install the os from the dvd and do a "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" ?
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> I'm not sure about the 9.10 DVD, I've been using the alternate ubuntu CD for LTSP installation so far.
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| 11:03 | You press F4 on the boot loader, select "install an ltsp server", and go on with the installation
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| 11:03 | After that you'll have an LTSP server configured automatically :)
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| 11:04 | <Damianos> Great! I don't mind using any distro at this point. I just want it to work. How are NIC cards supported? do you find driver issues or are they the exception and not the rule?
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> Depends entirely on the nic card
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| 11:05 | If the linux kernel supports the nic card well, then we do too.
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| 11:05 | <Damianos> is it the manufacturer or the chipset that matter?
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> Usually the chipset.
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> Out of the maybe 20 different NICs I've tried so far, only one of them malfunctioned (in 8.10's kernel and was fixed in 9.04's kernel)
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> It's usually low-end cards that have problems.
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| 11:06 | <Damianos> awesome.I'll try the 9.10 alt cd
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> I pretty much exclusively stick to E100 or E1000's
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| 11:06 | which haven't given me problems for years.
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| 11:08 | <Damianos> great, I found a that rosewill has NICs with linux drivers. They seem to have good reviews and are pretty low cost
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| 11:08 | I may try buying one of those if the ones we have recycled don't work
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| 11:09 | just so you know, this is for an elementary school and I'm trying to get them a second computer lab made from their "discard" pile
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| 11:09 | <johnny> Damianos, linux drivers.. luckily you won't be installing them..
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| 11:10 | 95% of all nics work out of the box..
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> Damianos: in general, you DON'T want something that comes with drivers you have to install
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| 11:10 | <Damianos> Great! Hopefully with the latest version of ubuntu/ltsp this will be easy
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| 11:11 | thanks for the tip
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> what you want is something that Linux supports "out of the box"
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| 11:11 | <Damianos> ok
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> So, Intel Ether Express Pro 100's or 1000's (e100 and e1000)
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| 11:11 | 3com cards work very well (3c50x)
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> r8169 cards usually work.
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| 11:12 | best bet is to buy *one* first, and test.
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| 11:12 | if you're going to install it in a thin client that has an onboard nic, make sure you disable the onboard nic in the bios
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| 11:13 | and whatever card you buy should support PXE booting
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| 11:13 | <Damianos> Well, I have found that the onboard NIC always seems to work on the client
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| 11:13 | * alkisg has installed and used LTSP in 2 "discard pile" school labs so far :) Twenty 10 year old PCs from 10 different vendors, all devices worked flawlessly except for some isa sound card which I had no will to investigate | |
| 11:14 | <Damianos> great...do you guys have any tips on how to test using vmware?
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> I'm using virtualbox, I haven't seen vmware since my windows days...
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> Don't use too much vmware myself.
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| 11:15 | <Damianos> ok
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| 11:15 | I'm going to try another installation and test run on Monday and I'll be back Monday night
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> bbiab
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| 11:18 | <Damianos> BTW, I have been getting so frustrated mainly because I was having a hard time finding documentation for the latest ubuntu+ltsp. I've never used IRC before but am very glad I found this place. You guys are so helpful and I wanted to say thanks. You've all been great
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| 11:19 | <jcastro> Damianos: I have been following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> Ooooh a lot of outdated pages there
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| 11:20 | <jcastro> and this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 11:20 | yeah, the thing needs a little redo imo
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> Yup the second URL is more recent
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| 11:20 | <jcastro> or maybe point the older one to the new one
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| 11:20 | <Damianos> I saw that too but didn't know if I should follow it since it has the big pink disclaimer
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> We should merge the first ones into the second
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| 11:21 | Damianos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:22 | <Damianos> I gotta go now, but thanks again everybody for the awesome help...I'll be back on Monday night with hopefully some good news!
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> "This is not the latest stable release of LTSP (4.1) but the new upcoming standard for LTSP (upstream codename MueCow)" ==> my god that's an OLD page... :D
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| 14:06 | <timlinux> hi all . Can anyone help? My previosly working ltsp on ubuntu 9.10 now gives a heap of messages like mountall mount /lib.initi/rw [381] terminated with status 1
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| 14:06 | mount: only root can do that
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| 14:06 | I replicated it with 2 different clients
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| 14:06 | does anyone know how to resolve that?
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| 14:08 | <johnny> never seen it.. just stick around here for a bit.. hopefully somebody will answer
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| 14:08 | but the weekends tend to be a bad time for support in the room
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| 14:08 | if nobody answers here, post to ltsp-discuss lis
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| 14:08 | list*
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| 14:08 | <kaos01> i havnt seen that error either, just installed ltsp on fedora12, the local device usb seems to have problems
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| 14:09 | sometimes folders dont show up, sometimes files dont get saved ...
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| 14:09 | worked great in fedora11
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| 14:11 | i create a folder with files in windoze (on fat) than in ltsp cleint i cant see it
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| 14:12 | <timlinux> johnny: thanks
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| 14:12 | <johnny> there are very few fedora/gentoo ltsp users here..
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| 14:12 | most are on debian/ubuntu
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| 14:13 | so it's much easier to get support for those
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| 14:14 | <kaos01> hate that :)
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| 14:14 | whats wrong wit fedora ? :)
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| 14:14 | its so tempting to switch, but tryign to resist the temtation
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| 14:15 | <johnny> nothing is wrong with fedora
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| 14:16 | i just said that most people aren't using it is all
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| 14:16 | and the person who spent the most time developing support for fedora has a million other responsibilities, so he can't be here often
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| 14:18 | <kaos01> i was just expressing my impression, everything is ubuntu these days :)
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| 14:18 | its tempting to jump ships
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| 14:24 | <johnny> i still use fedora, just not for ltsp
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| 14:24 | fedora still is great for bleeding edge stuff in some cases.. like in the system itself
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| 14:25 | but.. for packages.. ubuntu seems tobe doing a better job, since they can rely on debian packages..
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> stgraber: you may want to sync the ltsp-docs i just uploaded.
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| 15:08 | stgraber: when's your freeze begin, basically?
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| 15:20 | <stgraber> vagrantc: mid-February
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> so a bit of time yet to break more :)
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