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Channel log from 1 October 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:47 | <fixxxermet> I'm looking to setup a ltsp ubuntu server for pxe booting workstations. How does ltsp handle multiple users working on the same box?
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> fixxxermet: linux is a multi user system, so no problem?
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| 07:50 | <fixxxermet> alkisg: I've just never used it this way so I am curious to see what happens :)
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> Works fine; just void logging into gnome from the same user and from different locations simultaneously...
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| 07:51 | <fixxxermet> Can I still setup ldap authentication?
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 07:54 | <fixxxermet> One more for now: I'm installing a 64-bit ltsp server but my clients are 32bit. Using the ubuntu alternate CD with the "Install an LTSP Server" option, do I get to pick which architecture?
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> You need to use ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 later on
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| 07:57 | <fixxxermet> So both i386 and amd64 will be built.
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> hhnhu
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| 08:00 | (heh my kids got my kbd :))
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| 08:00 | <fixxxermet> hehe
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> fixxxermet: you don't need to select "install an ltsp server" when it boots, if you're not gonna use it
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| 08:03 | <fixxxermet> Doesn't that install some additional dependencies or something?
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> Not really... a "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server" (or ltsp-server-standalone) is all you need
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| 08:05 | ...and ltsp-build-client after that.
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| 08:07 | <Gadi> (just set a static IP before you do that, too)
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| 08:07 | * Gadi waves to alkisg | |
| 08:07 | <Gadi> and his kids
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| 08:07 | :)
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> Hey Gadi!
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| 08:07 | (they're the little ones, can't read yet :()
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| 08:07 | <Gadi> sure they can - they just don't want you to realize it
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| 08:08 | clever kids....
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> :D
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| 08:10 | <fixxxermet> alkisg: Super - thanks.
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> yw
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| 08:18 | <fixxxermet> Then I'd might as well use ubuntu-server and apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> You'll also need the ubuntu-desktop package...
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| 08:20 | <fixxxermet> ah
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| 09:33 | <fixxxermet> Does it matter if I get ldap working before or after install ltsp-server-standalone and building the client?
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> fixxxermet: no - the authentication is on the server side, so it does not impact the client side at all
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| 10:30 | <dro> do any of you use a windows dhcp server for ltsp?
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| 10:30 | I do and the only way i can get certains clients to boot, is to have a tftp server on the windows dhcp server
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> You could also point them to the tftp server of the ltsp server....
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| 10:34 | <dro> alkisg: in the windows scope? i tried defining a custom tftp server but that didn't work
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> I think it's in the docs, lemme see.
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| 10:36 | <dro> what started everything, was that this morning, all my ltsp clients stopped working with a tftp timeout error
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| 10:37 | I restarted the tftp server, and now they start booting and get an ip address and then say, error: connection refused and then a list of mount errors
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> You usually copy the kernels over to the windows tftp server?
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| 10:38 | <dro> alkisg: yes what I end up doing, is each time i update the chroot i copy over the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp directory to the windows tftp
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> Yeah you'd better use the ltsp server as the tftp server. /me is still looking...
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| 10:38 | <dro> alkisg: ty
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 10:39 | 066 Boot Server Host Name: <ip address>
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| 10:39 | <dro> I have that set as 172.16.20.1
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| 10:39 | which is the ip of the ltsp server
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> and?
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| 10:40 | <dro> i set all the scope options that the help page said
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| 10:40 | 017: root path - /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 10:41 | 067: Bootfile Name - /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> dro, one way to debug this is to boot a client with gpxe, and see what dhcp options actually reach the client
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| 10:45 | <dro> alkisg: ok i will look into that, ty
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| 10:52 | <dro> !pastebot
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| 10:52 | <ltspbot> dro: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:52 | <ltsppbot> "dro" pasted "cnc@ltsp:~$ netstat -tunapl (N" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/568
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| 10:52 | <dro> alkisg: shouldn't tftp be in the "listening" state?
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> dro: try this: netstat -nap | grep :69
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| 10:54 | <dro> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2318/inetd
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> So it's listening.
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| 10:54 | (you could also try installing tftp-hpa = the client, and then run `tftp localhost`, and then `bin`, and then `get ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0`.
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| 10:55 | Do the clients actually try to load pxelinux.0, and fail?
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| 10:55 | If not, then it's a dhcp problem, not a tftp problem...
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| 10:58 | <dro> alkisg: different clients are doing different things
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| 10:58 | occasionally it fails trying to load pxelinux.0 about 1 out of 20 times
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| 10:59 | but that was fixed after i rebooted the ltsp server
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| 10:59 | i did a dist-upgrade this morning and rebuilt the client, so needed to reboot
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| 10:59 | new kernel
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> "(07:01:12 μμ) dro: but that was fixed after i rebooted the ltsp server" ==> didn't you say that your tftp server was in the *windows* machine?
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| 11:00 | How could rebooting the ltsp server fix the windows tftp server?
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| 11:00 | <dro> alkisg: two different things, the pxelinux.0 boot error shoudl be resolved by rebooting the ltsp serve since i loaded a new kernel thru dist-upgrade for the ltsp server and chroot
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> I don't get it. Isn't pxelinux.0 on the windows server?
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| 11:03 | <dro> alkisg: yes but it's also on the ltsp server
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| 11:03 | alkisg: lets just start over
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| 11:03 | about half of my ltsp clients will not boot
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> dro, sorry, got to go right now
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| 11:03 | I'll be back later on
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| 11:03 | <dro> alkisg: ty for your help
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Bye..
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| 11:12 | <cg_uira> Hi, I rebuild the initramfs for 3c509 module with the follow command:
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| 11:13 | # mkinitramfs 2.6.24-24-generic -o /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/placas_isa/initramfs-2.6.24-placaisa
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| 11:13 | But now, I have the error when I boot the client:
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| 11:13 | request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c
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| 11:14 | I have a 64-bit server
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| 11:14 | but 32-bit clients
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| 11:14 | I think that the new initramfs is 64-bit
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| 11:15 | <ogra> ouch
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| 11:15 | dont use mkinitramfs
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| 11:15 | <cg_uira> then, I down know what are the options for rebuild 32-bit
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| 11:15 | <ogra> never ever
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| 11:15 | <cg_uira> but, how rebuild initranfs, then?
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| 11:16 | <ogra> you use update-initramfs *inside* the chroot
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| 11:16 | do the following:
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| 11:17 | sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
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| 11:17 | scroll down to the "auto_add_modules" function
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| 11:17 | <cg_uira> ok
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| 11:17 | <ogra> in the "net)" case statement you already see a lot of NIC modules
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| 11:17 | add yours
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| 11:18 | <ogra> save the file
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| 11:18 | then: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ update-initramfs -u
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| 11:18 | then: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 11:19 | now you should have the updated initramfs that was created under /opt/ltsp/i386/boot in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 11:19 | and should be able to boot
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> prolly better to add it to .../etc/initramfs-tools/modules, no?
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| 11:20 | <ogra> not sure
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| 11:20 | i had mixed results :)
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> loverly
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| 11:20 | :)
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| 11:21 | <cg_uira> ok, thanks...now I'll try to boot the client
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| 11:25 | <cg_uira> ogra: not work
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| 11:25 | kernel panic in the client
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> cg_uira: did you run ltsp-update-kernels after you rebuilt the initramfs?
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> (outside the chroot)
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| 11:27 | <cg_uira> Gadi: yes
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| 11:27 | <cg_uira> outside?
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| 11:27 | yes
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> if you add "break=mount" to the kernel command line, you can drop into initramfs and see if the module was copied in
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| 11:28 | <cg_uira> the output was: Updating /var/lib/tftpboot directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/amd64 Updating /var/lib/tftpboot directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> add it to: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> also, I am assuming you pxe boot not etherboot
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| 11:28 | is that correct?
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| 11:29 | <cg_uira> 3c509 isa need etherboot
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> ah, then you have an extra step
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| 11:29 | do:
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| 11:29 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i286
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| 11:29 | oops
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| 11:29 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:30 | <cg_uira> ok
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 11:30 | (I think thats the script name)
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| 11:30 | <cg_uira> no such file or directory
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> ls /usr/share/ltsp
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| 11:31 | <cg_uira> /usr/share/ltsp is not here
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> in the chroot?
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| 11:31 | <cg_uira> yes
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> hmm... what distro?
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| 11:32 | <cg_uira> ubuntu 8.04
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> do you have an /usr/lib/ltsp?
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| 11:32 | <cg_uira> yes
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> we moved it at one point
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| 11:32 | ah, ok
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| 11:32 | /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 11:33 | <cg_uira> I did
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> ok, now exit the chroot
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| 11:33 | and run: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 11:34 | <cg_uira> ok
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> that extra command that we did was to make an "nbi" image suitable for etherboot from your new initramfs
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| 11:34 | <cg_uira> ah, I understand
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> if you change the initramfs again, run update-initramfs and then that other command
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| 11:34 | <cg_uira> ok, I'll try the client
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> btw, I *believe* that if you want update-initramfs to copy more stuff into the initramfs, you need: update-initramfs -c -k <kernel-version>
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| 11:35 | as opposed to update-initramfs -u
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| 11:35 | so, you may want to try that, if this does not work
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| 11:36 | <cg_uira> ok, thank you
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| 11:37 | don't work
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| 11:43 | <ogra> Gadi, -u looks in /boot by default
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| 11:43 | as long as -u is run chrooted it should be fine
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> ogra: I have had case where when I have added drivers into the initramfs, they would not be pulled in with a simple -u
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| 11:44 | <ogra> strange
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 11:45 | as you say, mixed results ;)
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| 11:45 | <cg_uira> Gadi: When I use -c -k options the output is: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.24-24-generic
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> you need to specify the kernel in the chroot
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| 11:48 | in the chroot, do: ls /lib/moduels
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| 11:48 | <cg_uira> yes, this is the error
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> er, ls /lib/modules
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| 11:48 | what is the directory name?
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| 11:48 | <cg_uira> what directory?
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> do this:
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| 11:49 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:49 | ls /lib/modules
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| 11:49 | what is the output?
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| 11:49 | <cg_uira> 2.6.24-16-generic
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 11:49 | now, do:
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| 11:49 | update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.24-16-generic
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| 11:50 | /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 11:50 | like that
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| 11:50 | <cg_uira> yes, no error now
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> when all that's done, exit from the chroot
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| 11:51 | and run: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 11:51 | and try to boot the thin client
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| 11:54 | <cg_uira> I'm sorry, it's not booting
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| 11:54 | it have a kernel panic
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| 11:56 | <cg_uira> can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 11:56 | is the output
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> cg_uira: try this:
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| 11:56 | edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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| 11:57 | add a line that reads:
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| 11:57 | 3c509
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| 11:57 | and save it
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| 11:57 | next, do the same in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
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| 11:57 | then, repeat the update-initramfs, etc.
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| 11:58 | <cg_uira> ok, I'll do it
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| 12:03 | <cg_uira> Gadi: yes! it's working!!
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| 12:03 | <cg_uira> thanks Gadi!
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> 3c509 ... those are getting might old.
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| 12:10 | <Ahmuck_Sr> but they work great
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| 13:09 | <dro> in my dhcpd.conf do I need to configure a tftp option?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> dro: if you use the linux dhcp server, no. If it's on a different machine, yes, you need to set "next-server".
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| 13:19 | <dro> alkisg: i wish i could set next-server on a windows dhcp server
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> dro: people are doing it, so it should be possible. Yet, if you can't, there's another way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> you actually need to set next-server with current upstream isc dhcpd v3, though ubuntu patched it to use the old behavior (defaulting to the dhcp server).
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| 13:21 | debian doesn't patch dhcp3-server, so you need to set it on debian.
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> This way you can send the ip leases from the windows dhcp server, and the "next-server" directive from dhcpd.conf
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> one of the things i like about dnsmasq :)
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: thanks, I didn't know that...
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no problem :)
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| 13:22 | <dro> this may very well break all my clients though
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| 13:22 | i read an article where some pxe clients have a bug that they look for the tftp server from the dhcp server
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> it was a stupid change on isc's dhcp server... merely on the grounds that it wasn't explicitly listed in the RFC's
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| 13:22 | <dro> because my tftp server on my windows dhcp server is broken, that would in turn break all my clients
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> but the behavior has been like that for 10+ years ... so why they changed it seemed silly.
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> Well... it's an opportunity to update the dhcpd.conf shipped with ltsp :)
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| 13:24 | dro: "they look for the tftp server from the dhcp server" => what does that mean? That they won't work if the tftp server is different from the dhcp server? I've never heard such a bug...
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ubuntu ltsp ships a dhcpd.conf that assumes the patch is applied. upstream ltsp ships one that assumes the patch isn't applied.
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| 13:25 | <dro> alkisg: here is the situation i have
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| 13:25 | alkisg: if i turn off my windows dhcp server, and enable dhcp on my ltsp server, everything works great
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> OK... but I was hoping for a more extended version, with examples for static entries and maybe using the new syslinux module that detects the i386/amd64 architecture etc...
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| 13:26 | <dro> alkisg: if i run windows dhcp and do next-server on the ltsp server, about 1/3 of the clients will not boot until i enable the tftp server on the windows dhcp server and copy over /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp to the tftpserver driectory on the windows server
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, patches are appreciated :)
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok, I'll put that to my always-getting-longer todo list :D
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc> sounds like some of dro's pxe clients don't respect the next-server setting
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> dro: there are 2 places where you can define next-server
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| 13:28 | One is inside the "dhcp struct", the other one is in the "extended options"
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| 13:28 | I've heard of clients (not pxe ones, though) that have the problem that the can't read the extended next-server option
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| 13:28 | So I think that if you *properly* configure your windows server, it'll work...
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> maybe use the proxydhcp stuff with dnsmasq?
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> Yeah I gave him the link above
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| 13:29 | Dro, also give the proxydhcp stuff a shot. It works for me in all the cases I've heard.
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| 13:29 | <dro> ok i'll try that, but what is weird is that it all worked fine until today
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> Maybe a windows update was applied?
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| 13:30 | <dro> who knows
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| 13:30 | i really hate microsoft
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: speaking of todo lists ... i never really spent the time figuring out how to integrate the ltsp-server-pnp stuff "properly"
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| 13:30 | <dro> i wish these schools would realize they need to stop using windows
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I don't think it's needed anymore. The main reason I developed that was to get around the ltsp-server-standalone dependencies. Since I've found a workaround (=apt-get install ltsp-server *twice*!) I abandoned it...
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| 13:32 | <dro> lol
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> Now, if there was a way for automatically generated configuration to co-exist with user-defined configuration settings, I could revive the project...
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what's the workaround?
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP#Installing%20dnsmasq
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> My problem was that I couldn't remove ltsp-server-standalone without removing ltsp-server
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| 13:34 | <dro> ok I've done the proxy update
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| 13:34 | should i rebuild the image?
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> You've installed dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server? No, no need to update the image...
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| 13:35 | <dro> yes
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| 13:35 | that guide is quite easy to follow
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> Thanks :)
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| 13:36 | <dro> you write it?
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| 13:36 | *claps hands*
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it gets autoremoved or something like that?
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> *bows humbly*
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yeah, if I don't do "apt-get install ltsp-server" twice, it gets autoremoved
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: normally when i run "apt-get install package" it marks it as manually installed
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: but maybe now that LDM_SSHOPTIONS is again working upstream, it would make sense to work again on the ltsp-server-pnp package... because now with LDM_SSHOPTIONS it's possible to have a dynamic IP on the ltsp server.
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| 13:37 | Yes, unless it needs to be updated
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| 13:38 | <dro> *dances* that seems to have worked on my test client alkisg
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| 13:38 | I will go try the lab
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> In which case it updates it instead of marking it as manually installed
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| 13:38 | dro, nice going!
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah.
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| 13:38 | alkisg: crazy games with LDM_SSHOPTIONS, eh?
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| 13:38 | <dro> alkisg: i spoke too soon
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| 13:38 | it passed the tftp portion but then i got the mounting errors
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup... there *are* some use cases where usability comes first, and security last...
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| 13:39 | dro: no problem there
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| 13:39 | dro: see the page again a little lower, it describes this problem and how to work around it
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| 13:39 | I.e. either use IPAPPEND 3 or put nbdroot as a kernel parameter
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| 13:39 | <dro> i'm using ip append 3
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| 13:39 | *ipappend 3
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Hmmmm what mounting errors exactly?
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| 13:40 | <dro> i'll pastebin
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| 13:40 | !pastebot
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| 13:40 | <ltspbot> dro: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> dro: you could also try putting nbdroot=10.160.31.10:2000 right next of "quiet splash" in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:41 | (instead of ipappend 3)
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| 13:41 | <ltsppbot> "cnc" pasted "rootserver: 172.16.20.1 roothp" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/569
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> dro: maybe you didn't put ipappend 3 in the correct place
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| 13:42 | Can you pastebin your pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 13:42 | <dro> sure
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> !j
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| 13:43 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> hey alkisg
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| 13:43 | <ltsppbot> "cnc" pasted "rootserver: 17DEFAULT vmlinuz" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/570
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> dro, is "rootserver: 17" by mistake there?
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: proxydhcp is on port 4011 ? i remember getting all sorts of error messages for thin clients that wouldn't boot because of something to do with that port way back when... swapped out the switch and it started working fine.
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| 13:44 | <dro> weird
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| 13:44 | it's on my paste
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| 13:45 | but not in my file?
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> vagrantc: nope, it's listening on the standard dhcp port, 67
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| 13:45 | vagrantc: the specification also mentions 4011 (or something similar, I don't remember exactly) but simon never got to implement this, there was no need
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| 13:45 | <ltsppbot> "cnc" pasted "pxelinux.cfg/default" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/571
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: curious.
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> vagrantc: as it worked with only 67 for all known roms
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| 13:46 | The specs are a little vague at that point
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> So the gpxe guys also decided to follow simon's interpretation
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> but that means you can't run the proxydhcp and regular dhcp on the same host?
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> Well, sure, but you'll need dnsmasq as the regular dhcp server
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> I.e. it could server regular dhcp on 10.160.31.x and proxy dhcp on 192.168.0.x (on another nic of course)
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, i remember it working like a charm and not messing up other networks. i'm glad you've put work into it!
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> I only gave 1-2 weeks to convince them to do it upstream :) :D
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| 13:48 | No actual work whatsoever :P
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| 13:49 | But I do think that a ltsp-server-proxydhcp package would be nice, one that would work out of the box with dnsmasq as a dependency
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| 13:49 | No weird dynamic settings stuff; just a one-time autodetection while generating the first config file.
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| 13:49 | It would make it easy to install ltsp with 1 nic only
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| 13:50 | <dro> alkisg: if i add nbdroot=172.16.20.1:2000 to my pxelinux.cfg/default do i need to take out ipappend 3
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> You don't *need* to remove it, but you don't need it there either
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| 13:51 | If you remove it, it'll ask for a second lease (=that's what it usually does), if you keep it, it'll reuse the ip it got while pxe-booting
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| 13:52 | <dro> ok
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| 13:52 | i tried adding that extra option, nbdroot=10.160.31.10:2000, still same mount errors
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> What does your pxelinux.cfg/default look like now? Paste it here...
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| 13:53 | <ltsppbot> "cnc" pasted "pxelinux.cfg/default" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/572
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Can you boot a client with gpxe? I'm curious on what it actually receives...
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| 13:54 | Maybe the windows server does send a next-server setting
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| 13:54 | <dro> not exactly sure
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> So dnsmasq is unable to override it
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| 13:54 | <dro> how do i gpxe boot?
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Do you have a PC that has a floppy, cd *or* a hard disk around?
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| 13:55 | <dro> yes
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-git/gpxe.git/contrib/rom-o-matic/
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| 13:55 | For a floppy, just press "get image"
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| 13:55 | If you have a linux pc around, you could also get gpxe.krn and put it to grub
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| 13:57 | dro: wait a minute. What's your windows server ip?
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| 13:57 | <dro> 172.16.0.5
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| 13:57 | 172.16.0.5 - windows server
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| 13:57 | 172.16.20.1 - ltsp server
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> I saw the pastebot again: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/569
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| 13:57 | rootserver: 172.16.20.1
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| 13:57 | So it correctly got the next server setting. When was that? With the windows dhcp? Or with ipappend 3?
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| 13:58 | <dro> ipappend 3
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> What's your subnet mask?
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| 13:58 | <dro> but
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| 13:58 | i'm still using windows dhcp and ipappend 3
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| 13:59 | 255.255.0.0
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> OK. Ditch gpxe and let's work on that; it should be booting
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| 13:59 | Go to the same setup as the pastebin (or any other setup that gives you rootserver=ltsp-server)
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| 14:00 | Then, put break=mount as a kernel parameter
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| 14:00 | <dro> ok
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| 14:00 | so right now it says (initramfs)
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| 14:00 | type it in there?
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Woah, you're fast :)
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| 14:01 | <dro> it was already there
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| 14:01 | lol
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| 14:01 | i put it in
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> So you 're on a command line now?
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| 14:02 | <dro> yes
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> (I meant that you put DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img break=mount in pxelinux.cfg/default) - ok ok
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| 14:03 | I don't remember if mount is the correct "breakpoint", did it display the rootserver line?
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| 14:03 | <dro> oh i c 1 sec
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> btw, also remove quiet splash
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| 14:04 | <dro> tftp timeout
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| 14:05 | ok it booted that time
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> Do put ipappend 3 or nbdroot...
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| 14:05 | <dro> ohh ok
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| 14:05 | i took those out lol
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| 14:07 | ok
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| 14:07 | it booted up to a (initramfs) prompt
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| 14:08 | alkisg: next step?
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Sorry I was making some milk for the kiddos
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| 14:09 | Did it print the rootserver line?
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| 14:09 | <dro> i didn't watch
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| 14:09 | lol i'll do it again
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> No
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| 14:09 | If it did, you'd be seeing if right above the prompt
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| 14:09 | Let me see what's the correct breakpoint..
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| 14:09 | <dro> alkisg: i didn't see it but i also took this out of pxelinux.cfg/default nbdroot=10.160.31.10:2000
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| 14:10 | i added it back in and am rebooting now
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| 14:10 | I don't see it
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> Gimme 5' :)
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> OK back
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| 14:17 | What do you see if you run ifconfig?
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| 14:17 | Do you have network working at that point?
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| 14:18 | dro: ^^^
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| 14:18 | <dro> alkisg: checking now
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| 14:18 | i typed ifconfig
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| 14:18 | got nothing
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| 14:18 | isn't it ipconfig here?
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| 14:18 | ipconfig said ipconfig: no devices to configure
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Both are there - busybox emulates ifconfig
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| 14:19 | <dro> ifconfig just returns back to the prompt
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> With ipconfig you'd need ipconfig eth0
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| 14:19 | <dro> i did ipconfig eth0
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| 14:19 | and bam, it pulled an ip address
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| 14:20 | and rootserver: 172.16.20.1 roothpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> It should already have an ip address...
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| 14:20 | <dro> filename : ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> (from ipappend 3)
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| 14:20 | That was from your windows server, we don't want that
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Nope, it isn't
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| 14:26 | <dro> alkisg: just to let you know, that in virtualbox my pxe VM boots just fine while the rest of my clients do not
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> They do boot some times thought, right?
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| 14:27 | <dro> they did a few times this morning
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| 14:28 | but then they all stopped because of the tftp errors
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| 14:28 | i can double check though in the lab
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Nah, just to make sure that it's a dhcp/tftp problem and not a module problem
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| 14:29 | dro: reboot again *without* break=mount, sorry, that was the wrong breakpoint
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| 14:29 | When it hangs again at the initramfs prompt, give:
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| 14:31 | nbd-client 172.16.20.1 2000 /dev/nbd0 -persist
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| 14:32 | and see if that says connection refused or not.
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| 14:32 | <dro> alkisg: 5 in the lab booted perfectly
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> I'm guessing it's a race condition problem here
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| 14:33 | <dro> alkisg: how would i fix that
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| 14:33 | this laptop is smoking fast
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Do the ones not booting show rootserver = the ltsp server?
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| 14:33 | <dro> no
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> They show the windows server?
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| 14:33 | Or nothing at all?
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| 14:34 | You can press shift+page up to see the previous lines
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| 14:34 | in the console
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| 14:34 | <dro> i can only test with this laptop
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| 14:34 | all the ones that didn't work earlier were turned off
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| 14:34 | and as they're being turned on, they're all working
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| 14:35 | but to answer your question
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| 14:35 | on my test laptop, it doesn't show rootserver = ltspserver
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> What does it show at the point where ipconfig runs?
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| 14:36 | <dro> with the break in or out?
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> Out
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| 14:37 | <dro> whoa
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> Because at the pastebin previously, it *did* show rootserver = ltsp server
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| 14:37 | <dro> my test laptop decided to start working
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| 14:37 | lol
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 14:37 | <dro> maybe it decided to not work unless it was off for a w hile
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| 14:38 | it's what i get for letting my boss buy a levovo LOL
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> Heh... it needed a break :)
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| 14:38 | <dro> alkisg: thank you, i very much appreicate your help
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| 14:38 | i am new to this stuff and trying to do better
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> Np... if you ever find out what the exact problem was, do tell :)
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| 14:38 | <dro> i will
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| 14:38 | but
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| 14:38 | i think the masquerading was the fix
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> ?
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| 14:38 | <dro> jut this pos laptop weirded out
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| 14:39 | i mean ProxyDHCP
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> What masquerading?
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| 14:39 | <dro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Ah, ok
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| 14:39 | <dro> I am about to walk around and test more clients
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| 14:39 | alkisg: will let you know if i see something strange
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> It doesn't do masquerading, it just sends a complemantary dhcp offer
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| 14:39 | proxy == helper in this context
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| 14:39 | ok
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| 14:59 | <dro> alkisg: worked like a champ, ty again
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| 16:53 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: ping?
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| 16:53 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: whats happenin
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| 16:53 | <Lns> hey
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| 16:54 | How's the 1500 series TCs you offer with the atom chipset compared to the 1220 PXE?
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| 16:54 | Performance wise with localapps, can you give me a brief rundown of how much better it is, or are they about the same, ... ?
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| 16:56 | <CAN-o-SPAM> processor is much faster more memory standard, video is significantly better
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| 16:56 | <Lns> no quirks w/the atom chipset?
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| 16:56 | can you tell me whether they work OOTB w/Ubu 8.04/LTSP?
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| 16:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> video on 1220 is 64m shared video on 1520 is 224m shared
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| 16:57 | quirks: one fix required for dual monitor use
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| 16:57 | <Lns> they probably won't be using dual monitors
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| 16:58 | hmmm
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| 16:58 | ok, thanks =)
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| 16:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> lns: any chance you'll be in socal the 20th - 25th will you?
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| 16:59 | lns: 8.04 out of the box ya
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| 16:59 | <Lns> cool
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| 16:59 | nope on socal.. :( i'll be in L.A. in mid November though
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| 16:59 | just for a day or 2
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| 16:59 | (brother's wedding)
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| 17:00 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ah ok
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| 17:00 | your not going to LTSP BTS?
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| 17:01 | <Lns> no :( I'm totally broke and there's way too much stuff going on for me until Jan 1st that I have to hang around here for :(
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| 17:01 | I hope you guys have an awesome time though! Hey hopefully i'll at least be able to give you guys the video I've been making for LTSP
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| 17:01 | to show at bts
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| 17:02 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: any pre-production sneak previews i can get ;)
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| 17:03 | <Lns> Hehe, I haven't even seen any yet ;)
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| 17:03 | my videographer is currently working on it, we just did the last shoot yesterday at one of the schools
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| 17:04 | it should be good though, hopefully the best ltsp/linux open source thin client video out there
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| 17:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> wow, talkin a big game ;)
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| 17:06 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: how are your N20 servers doing out in the field?
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| 17:06 | hehe, well i searched YouTube a while back and never got any real quality production videos..i might have missed some though!
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| 17:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: great, we just shipped one to Polou, Koror (look it up, i want to visit)
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| 17:07 | <Lns> cool :)
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| 17:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: are you still paying an arm and a leg for this vid?
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| 17:14 | <Lns> yeah
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| 17:14 | but it'll be worth it :)
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| 17:15 | <Lns> I'm keeping it very generalized so my company name is hardly even in it. I'm hoping many people will be able to use it to convince their respective "powers that be" about the benefits of thin clients and open source =)
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| 17:15 | <Lns> whether I'm the one implementing it or not
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| 17:18 | <CAN-o-SPAM> so wheres the shameless DisklessWorkstations.com plug supposed to go ;)
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| 17:21 | <Lns> Well I'll be sure to put that in the description on youtube along with the other people :)
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| 17:22 | The video will show a 1220 on it actually, too :)
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| 17:22 | (mine)
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| 17:25 | <CAN-o-SPAM> nice
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| 17:25 | you got yours back?
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| 17:33 | <Lns> yep, thank you again, it works perfectly (on it right now in fact)
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| 17:33 | I love the 1220's
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| 17:33 | you don't offer them in different face colors do you?
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| 17:34 | CAN-o-SPAM: ^^
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| 17:34 | <CAN-o-SPAM> lns: heh no .. we just started offering ram & warranty upgrades, take it ez on me ;)
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| 17:34 | <Lns> hehehe
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| 17:35 | well if you ever do, i'd love a cyan/blue color :)
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| 17:35 | very easy on the eyes
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| 17:35 | anyway i'm outtie, talk to you all later =)
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| 17:41 | <maddog187> hey guys
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| 17:41 | <maddog187> i just installed the live k12 linux dvd to hdd
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| 17:41 | i then boot up my client machine
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| 17:42 | and i get the following error failed to read dhcp lease file
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| 17:43 | mount: missing mount point
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| 17:43 | any ideas what to do
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| 17:49 | <CAN-o-SPAM> maddog187: try #k12ltsp
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| 17:50 | <maddog187> k thanks
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| 21:04 | <jammcq> hey friends
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