IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 9 November 2012   (all times are UTC)

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07:58
<dhani>
hello guys .. i wanna ask something .. is this ltsp-cluster howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster enough for setting up very basic ltsp-cluster and running the client successfully? .. thanks
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09:40
<zamba>
i have a problem booting my clients.. on the ltsp server i see the warning/error: client does not accept options
09:41
when booting the clients are stuck at the ubuntu logo and the four (five?) dots moving
09:41
but nothing happens
09:41
this just started happening some days ago
09:42
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
09:42
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
09:44
<zamba>
this is what i've got: append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2000
09:44
i should remove "quiet splash" there?
09:44
<alkisg>
Yup
09:44
<zamba>
ok, let's try
09:44
<alkisg>
Distro/version? 10.04/
09:44
?
09:47
<zamba>
ok, that's strange
09:47
it gets an ip address from the dhcp server, contacts the tftp and starts booting
09:48
and then it looks like it want to get a new ip address, and that fails
09:48
udhcpc
09:48
requesting ip
09:48
doesn't work
09:48
<alkisg>
It does want to get a new ip address
09:49
<zamba>
but that fails, for some reason
09:49
<alkisg>
Maybe you have 2 dhcp servers on your network?
09:49
And one is autoritative, and sends NAK messages?
09:49
<zamba>
oh damn
09:49
how can i check that?
09:49
<alkisg>
How many NICs does your LTSP server have?
09:50
<zamba>
just one
09:51
<alkisg>
!learn ipconfig as to fake a DHCP request from your LTSP server, e.g. to check if another DHCP server is present: sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
09:51
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
09:52
<zamba>
only got one IP-Config: eth0 complete
09:52
(from 192.168.1.1)
09:52
which is my dhcp server
09:53
<alkisg>
And this is a different machine than the LTSP server?
09:53
<zamba>
yup
09:53
<alkisg>
And you have a DHCP server on your LTSP server as well?
09:53
sudo netstat -nap | grep :67
09:54
<zamba>
nope
09:54
<alkisg>
So the output of netstat is empty?
09:54
<zamba>
yup
09:54
can i tcpdump for the broadcast messages from the client?
09:54
i have its mac address, so
09:54
just to see that the packets are actually seen on the wire?
09:54
<alkisg>
OK, and in the ipconfig command above, you didn't get a line like this?
09:54
address: 10.160.67.130 broadcast: 10.160.67.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0
09:54
<zamba>
nope
09:55
<alkisg>
Try restarting your dhcp server
09:55
<zamba>
address: 192.168.1.6 broadcast: 192.168.1.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0
09:55
got that
09:55
already done that
09:55
<alkisg>
Ah, ok
09:55
<zamba>
192.168.1.6 is the ip address of the ltsp server
09:55
<alkisg>
Because you said you only got one line
09:55
Please paste the whole output of the ipconfig command in pastebin
09:55
!pastebin
09:55
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
09:55
<zamba>
http://pastebin.com/nmvVXXxs
09:56
<alkisg>
No rootpath or filename there
09:56
<zamba>
that's not strange
09:56
since this is the ltsp server
09:56
it shouldn't be booting off itself
09:56
<alkisg>
It sounds like a DHCP problem, can you post your dhcpd.conf from your DHCP server?
09:56
<zamba>
oh.. that's huge
09:57
<alkisg>
Try this first:
09:57
!ipappend
09:57
<ltsp>
ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
09:57
<alkisg>
This should allow the client to boot, and will verify that you're having a DHCP problem
09:58
<zamba>
so it's a new option
09:58
<alkisg>
In a new line, ys
09:58
yes
09:58
<zamba>
a new line
09:58
just ipappend 3, right?
09:58
<alkisg>
Last line, IPAPPEND 3
09:58
<zamba>
will try that now
09:58
reporting back soon :)
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10:03
<zamba>
hm, no
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10:03
<alkisg>
What did it do this time? Also, which distro/version?
10:03
<zamba>
it went further, but when it comes to "starting ltsp client" or whatever it says, the screen goes blank
10:04
<alkisg>
The client now doesn't get lts.conf
10:04
So it might be having X or other problems
10:04
<zamba>
and is then black for 10-15 seconds, before dropping back to the screen with "starting ltsp client"
10:04
it's 10.10, maverick
10:04
<alkisg>
But since it did went further, it's a DHCP server problem
10:04
Check your DHCP server logs etc
10:04
<zamba>
i have
10:04
<alkisg>
(and now you can remove the ipappend line)
10:05
<zamba>
everything looks normal there
10:05
Nov 9 11:02:09 fused dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
10:05
Nov 9 11:02:09 fused dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.1.43 to 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
10:05
Nov 9 11:02:11 fused dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.43 (192.168.1.1) from 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
10:05
Nov 9 11:02:11 fused dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.43 to 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
10:05
oh
10:05
sorry
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10:07
<zamba>
tcpdump command to listen on the LAN for that mac address?
10:07
<alkisg>
No idea, check the man page or try in #networking
10:08
<zamba>
because this makes no sense, because all clients get the first ip address correctly
10:08
<alkisg>
But usually the DHCP logs are a better source
10:08
<zamba>
it's when they then continue booting stuff crashes
10:08
<alkisg>
Note that client send a different vendor id from the initramfs
10:08
It's no longer PXEClient
10:08
<zamba>
that should be no problem
10:08
the problem is that i don't see the dhcpdiscover at all
10:09
doing that now: tcpdump -i eth1 ether src host 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9
10:09
and i see nothing
10:10
<alkisg>
Btw, these clients worked fine till a few days ago, right? Did you change the chroot/initramfs since then?
10:11
<zamba>
nope
10:11
ok, got some new info here
10:11
<alkisg>
So that's another indication that it's not a problem with the clients or their OS
10:11
<zamba>
i do in fact see the dhcp broadcasts
10:11
but for some reason my dhcp server doesn't respond to them
10:12
http://pastebin.com/feKc7ZXK
10:12
i see these every 2 seconds
10:13
but nothing going the "other way"
10:14
i don't get this
10:14
wth is going on
10:14
<alkisg>
Try getting more info from your dhcpd server logs
10:14
It might have --debug options or something
10:15
I think 10.10 had a bug where udhcp sent an empty client identifier or something, and dhcpd had minor problems processing the request
10:15
(but not the symptoms you describe)
10:15
<zamba>
Dropped DHCPv4 packet with zero-length client-id
10:15
got it
10:15
hehe
10:16
<alkisg>
Right, but by default it doesn't do that (at least the dhcpd shipped with ubuntu)
10:16
<zamba>
that's just beautiful the way you say that just then .)
10:16
so what do i do?
10:16
<alkisg>
What did you change in the dhcpd side in the last days?
10:17
<zamba>
nothing
10:17
this is a system that i rarely ever touch
10:18
but, that being said, there was a reboot 11 days ago
10:19
<alkisg>
OS and version of your dhcpd system?
10:19
E.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=851333 says that a newer dhcpd version made udhcp not work
10:19
<zamba>
debian squeeze
10:20
<alkisg>
So if you updated your server at some point in the past, and only rebooted a few days ago, and it got a newer dhcpd, maybe that was the problem
10:20
You could manually backport the fix from newer ltsp versions
10:20
Or install a newer udhcp which doesn't have the bug
10:21
Or downgrade your dhcpd to the previous version
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12:14
<Luizcezar>
Hello ppl, can i block Youtube on terminals without using squid or disabling flash plugin?
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<alkisg>
Luizcezar: you can create an /etc/hosts entry on the server to map youtube to 127.0.0.1
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13:55
<markit>
hi, I've one that asked me some help, in his school has been installed edubuntu and has tons of problems. As far as I've understood, they have configured him Unity as DE, I remember that is not a good choice and a "fall back" something has to be used instead. Is something "automatic"? How can I tell him to check if he is using the right version and not the "power hungry" one?
13:56
(and gnome-fallback and unity-2d are two distinct things I think... which is the right one and how check?)
13:57
<alkisg>
markit: hi, you're asked me something some days ago but I was too busy to even look at it... do you remember what it was?
13:58
Unity-3d doesn't work with LTSP, Unity-2D works, but personally I prefer gnome-fallback - not for performance reasons, I just don't like the Unity UI
13:58
<markit>
alkisg: hi :) Yes, but I've solved, in short is that I've setup nfs share on the same pc I login, with it's private IP (exports bla bla, fstab 192.168.1.29...)
13:59
and with iftop I was sniffing eth0, but no traffic found
13:59
with loopback interface instead it works
13:59
<alkisg>
OK
13:59
<markit>
wondering how it can understand that has to route through loopback
13:59
alkisg: how can I tell my "friend" to understand what he is running, and how change one over the other?
14:00
<alkisg>
Send him 2 links from google with pictures from both DEs
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<markit>
I mean, are both installed and is just a matter of switch, or is a package that needs to be installed?
14:00
<alkisg>
I don't think that both are installed, but I'm not sure about it either
14:00
<markit>
so you are sure that he can't be running "full Unity 3d"?
14:00
<alkisg>
I think Unity-2D is the default - better ask in #edubuntu to be sure
14:00
In thin clients, yes
14:01
In standalone/fats, no
14:01
<highvoltage>
markit: hey there. yes gnome-fallback is a much better choice for thin clients
14:01
<markit>
ok, unfortunately he is too far from me to be able to go there and have a look (3 hours by car)
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14:02
<markit>
highvoltage: if I want gnome-fallback, is a package to install or a config in lts.conf?
14:02* markit still struggling with KDE and nfs, so sad, hope to be able to do some more experiment this weekend
14:03
<alkisg>
markit: you can do remote support, you don't have to go there :)
14:03
!gnome-fallback
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<ltsp>
gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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<markit>
alkisg: yep, sure, but when they tell you "sometime they don't get the ip"
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or "get the ip but don't load the OS"
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or "is slow like hell"
14:11
be there helps a lot
14:11
I've already asked, they have epoptes installed
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so is a good thing (I've to open the ports in my router though to let it work as remote help tool)
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<alkisg>
Sure you can't resolve all problems with remote support, but you can solve many.
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<markit>
yep, maybe I've to experiment a little with epoptes and this thing (so now I've the occasion) and write some blog article about it
14:14
btw, if something breaks, just removing "LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback" is enough, or that package removes some other when installed?
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<alkisg>
It doesn't remove anything, no
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<markit>
alkisg: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/GNOME-team-decides-to-drop-fallback-mode-1747238.html
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<alkisg>
Yup I pasted that link here yesterday
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<||cw>
at least they're drawing a line and standing on one side
15:40
unlike the great gnome-screen-saver scandal
15:42
<gvy>
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
15:43
insanity galore
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<||cw>
I live the efficiency of GTK, but the gnome team really doens't seem to know where they are going
15:44
that blog gets me a DNS error
15:44
and now it loads
15:46* Hyperbyte just read the ltsp-discuss message about PHP and /etc/passwd
15:46
<Hyperbyte>
Holy crap. :o
15:46
<||cw>
what about it?
15:49
man sf's archives are slow
15:49
but from the subject, someone doens't understand permissions
15:50
<ogra_>
well, just sudo chmod 777 /etc7passwd :P
15:50
<||cw>
haha nice
15:52
<highvoltage>
heh, you sound like the installation manual for a php app
15:54
<||cw>
someone tell him about passwd <username> -l and a shell script that php can run via sudo, but using visudo and a nopasswd option on the script
15:57
<gvy>
ogra_, and mkdir /My\ Documents, yup
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<ogra_>
hehe
16:01* vagrantc waves
16:05* Hyperbyte waves back!
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<gvy>
/nick waves
16:06
/me vagrantc
16:16
<Hyperbyte>
17:15 * There is no such nick waves
16:16
What's stopping you? :P
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<gvy>
Hyperbyte, being an lazy arse as old-times might know :b
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<vagrantc>
doh.
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<vagrantc>
maybe today i put ltsp on wheezy through some torture testing...
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18:03
<markit>
vagrantc: just curiosity, with xfce or what DE?
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<vagrantc>
markit: i mostly use LXDE
18:05
though i should also test with gnome, just to make sure, since it is essentially the default.
18:06
<markit>
vagrantc: ah, isn't wheezy moving to xfce as default?
18:06
with gnome removing the fallback mode...
18:06
<vagrantc>
would be news to me
18:06
ah, that
18:06
that would be wheezy+1
18:07
<markit>
vagrantc: mmm maybe a rumour http://www.muktware.com/4087/debian-wheezy-may-ship-xfce-default-desktop-environment#.UJ1GQnKNNGE
18:07
<vagrantc>
wheezy is in freeze right now, so no major changes
18:08
but if gnome is sufficiently broken, major changes might need to be considered...
18:09
<markit>
:)
18:09
<vagrantc>
oh, maybe it already has...
18:12
no mention of it in the tasksel changelog on wheezy ...
18:12
might have gotten committed but never uploaded
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<||cw>
interesting
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<markit>
I've to go, thanks bye :)
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<vagrantc>
!seen alkisg
18:43
<ltsp>
alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: * alkisg gets drowned from all the waves...
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<vagrantc>
!ltsp-pnp
19:42
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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<vagrantc>
hrm. ltsp-config dnsmasq is borked on wheezy... problem number 1...
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