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Channel log from 12 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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03:35
<_arun_>
Hello everyone! I have installed my wyse thin clients with ubuntu ltsp and it stops while loading the OS during the PXE boot...Do any of youu have any idea what might be the problem?
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06:20
<nubae1>
cyberorg: ping
06:20
<cyberorg>
hi nubae
06:21
<nubae1>
hiya... I've just installed suse from the link u gave me, and I'm setting up ltsp
06:21
from what I understand the images are downloaded, not created?
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<cyberorg>
cool, start terminal, su -, easy-ltsp > kiwi > prebuildt image, that is all that is required
06:22
everything required is already in there
06:22
mark the ethernet device you are using to serve ltsp as "internal zone" in firewall
06:22
<nubae1>
ok... I need my ip range to be 192.168 though
06:23
my router already reserves 10.0 for the other interface
06:23
<cyberorg>
nubae1, you can have whatever you like, set up using yast2 lan
06:23
<nubae1>
I did that, but easy ltsp seems to want something different... oh wait... I see u can change it
06:23
never mind
06:24
kinda silly u need to enter the changes again though
06:24
<cyberorg>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start/Easy-LTSP
06:25
easy-ltsp will detect device that does not have default gw assign to it as ltsp device, if you have network configured correctly easy-ltsp will set up everything right
06:26
if you have to change easy-ltsp recommendation mean network is not setup properly
06:26
<nubae1>
so far so good, but its telling me I have the wrong subnet, which I know I dont...
06:26
<cyberorg>
pastebin ifconfig, cat /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp
06:26
<nubae1>
192.168.0.254 is the ip of the ltsp server, subnet should be 255.255.255.0
06:27
sorry netmask not subnet
06:27
why is it telling me thats wrong?
06:27
<cyberorg>
pastebin ifconfig, cat /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp
06:27
<nubae1>
ok
06:30
http://pastebin.be/17771
06:30
http://pastebin.be/17772
06:31
<cyberorg>
this one is wrong there DHCP_SUBNET="192.168.0.0"
06:31
you dont have any interface configured with 192.xxxx
06:31
<nubae1>
well I do, both in yast and easy ltsp
06:32
<cyberorg>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start#Step_One:_Configure_Network_interface
06:32
ifconfig does not show it so it is not configured
06:32
<nubae1>
yeah ifconfig doesn't show it, but its in yast
06:32
<cyberorg>
you dont have to configure anything in easy-ltsp manually
06:33
follow Configure_Network link and check ifconfig again
06:33
<nubae1>
im restarting network services
06:33
<cyberorg>
rcnetwork restart
06:33
activate device is set at "boot time"?
06:33
<nubae1>
yeah now eth0 dissapeared completely..
06:33
maybe not
06:34
<cyberorg>
so dont edit easy-ltsp config, set up network correctly and run easy-ltsp > kiwi > prebuilt image again :)
06:35
<nubae1>
ah, it was set to never
06:35
now its up
06:36
<cyberorg>
now what does easy-ltsp show?
06:36
it should show all configuration correctly, it will take the device that does not have default gw attached
06:36
<nubae1>
yup
06:36
all working
06:37
<cyberorg>
cool :)
06:37
boot up clients, then you can run some tests
06:37
btw, remove/change passwords of linux1-5 accounts
06:38
those were test accounts for live DVD, i need to clean that up in next update, it is fixed in "unstable" iso which is now in the repo
06:38
<nubae1>
yeah domain is set to digitalairlines.com too :-)
06:39
<cyberorg>
that you need to change to whatever you got, you can edit /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp directly
06:39
<nubae1>
yeah I did, just a weird default
06:39
<cyberorg>
it is not if you know the story behind it ;)
06:40
when you change anything in /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp, run kiwi-ltsp-setup -c for changes to apply
06:40
<nubae1>
ok dhpc doesn't seem to be running
06:41
though easy-ltsp setup said it was
06:41
at least netstat doesnt show it
06:41
<cyberorg>
pastebin output from kiwi-ltsp-setup -c
06:41
rcdhcpd status should say if it is running
06:42
<nubae1>
hmm ok it is
06:42
then something else is wrong, thin client is not picking anything up
06:42
let me check cables
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<cyberorg>
firewall, internal zone?
06:43
<nubae1>
does opensuse come default with firewall on?
06:44
<cyberorg>
yes, that is why we have to mark device we are using to serve ltsp(eth0) as "internal zone"
06:45
<nubae1>
ok, in firewall settings now... where do I set that?
06:45
broadcast?
06:46
<cyberorg>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start#Step_One:_Configure_Network_interface
06:46
see pictures ^^ :)
06:47
<nubae1>
gotcha
06:47
<cyberorg>
even in yast2 firewall, when you click on interface you can set them to internal/external/dmz
06:48
you can do rcnetwork restart after that if the settings don't apply
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<nubae1>
coolio
06:50
was my router
06:50
all working now
06:50
so, nice to see thincan works out of the box
06:50
<cyberorg>
i am quite proud of this live DVD :)
06:51
<nubae1>
so instructions are a little bit different than ubuntu/debian, but still quite easy
06:51
<cyberorg>
you can check out italc, nomad, AOE etc
06:51
<nubae1>
yeah it looks good
06:51
what is AOE?
06:51
<cyberorg>
instead of NBD you can use AOE - ata over ethernet http://en.opensuse.org/Category:LTSP
06:51
<nubae1>
oh... never heard of that
06:52
<cyberorg>
just change IMAGETYPE to AOE in /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp and run kiwi-ltsp-setup -c, to switch ;)
06:52
<nubae1>
I am curious about nomad...
06:52
<cyberorg>
if you do USE_NOMAD="1" LDM will use rdesktop instead of ssh for login
06:53
<nubae1>
so with that, if u loose network connection on the client, it doesn affect it right=
06:53
?
06:55
<cyberorg>
of course network is required, nut if you lose it, user can resume from where they left
06:55
*but
06:55
<nubae1>
yeah thats gerat
06:55
great
06:56
what would be nice is to adapt that even more so that when connection is lost, local desktop takes over
06:56
for laptops and the like
06:56
<cyberorg>
check out local icewm too, you can run entire session as a local app
06:57
<nubae1>
how about sugar?
06:57
<cyberorg>
install it on the server http://en.opensuse.org/Sugar unfortunately i haven't got much time for it, so unless someone takes on it is not going to be too good
06:58
<nubae1>
whats missing?
06:58
<cyberorg>
once you install it, sugar will be available on all clients
06:58
collaboration stuff, you'll see when you install
07:01
but first check out all the coolness and do a thorough review, tell me whats missing, you need added, could be improved etc :)
07:01
<nubae1>
in regular client u mean
07:01
hmmm, just tried to login and it threw me back to ldm
07:02
<cyberorg>
as what user?
07:02
<nubae1>
user I created ltsp
07:02
what groups are required?
07:02
<cyberorg>
defaults are fine
07:03
check if sshd is running, rcsshd status, and see /var/log/messages on the server
07:03
<nubae1>
weird then... it tries to login... I get the x cursor, and then it throws me out to ldm
07:04
I'll tail the lof
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log
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<cyberorg>
pastebin /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp and output of kiwi-ltsp-setup -c please
07:05
and /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/lts.conf
07:05
<nubae1>
Apr 12 14:03:47 linux-paqp sshd[15164]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for ltsp from 192.168.0.50 port 47240 ssh2
07:05
Apr 12 14:03:52 linux-paqp sshd[15167]: subsystem request for sftp
07:05
Apr 12 14:03:52 linux-paqp sshd[15167]: subsystem request for sftp
07:05
thats the log
07:05
<cyberorg>
how did you create user?
07:05
<nubae1>
useradd
07:05
<cyberorg>
on suse, you do useradd -m username
07:05
<nubae1>
yeah I know
07:06
<cyberorg>
without -m there is no /home/username
07:06
ok, get me those files, and try to ssh -X into the box from somewhere else
07:06
<nubae1>
ok, let me try and create through gui
07:08
ok, I must have not used -m
07:08
I thought I did
07:09
<cyberorg>
you can always create alias if you are used to using just useradd
07:09
<nubae1>
yeah, I am, but need to learn the suse way
07:09
my new job is running a altix SGI supercomputer running sles
07:09
<cyberorg>
we discoverd suse's useradd is special, it handles ldap users too
07:10
<nubae1>
I need to look at suse's ldap implementation actually
07:10
<cyberorg>
required links for that is here: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Fatclient
07:11
it is quite simple, like our ltsp implementation ;)
07:12
<nubae1>
I guess thats an either or scenario right? what about running fat together with slim?
07:13
<cyberorg>
you can serve multiple AOE images, fat/ltsp together
07:13
take is easy, there are tons of stuff to discover :)
07:13
<nubae1>
:-)
07:14
<cyberorg>
multiple AOE with cluster is already in production, intelliant/shrek is using it
07:15
<nubae1>
well, so far I'm impressed... looks very nice
07:15
did u get my mail with the edu apps?
07:16
<cyberorg>
yups, there are lot of them installed in your server already, check them out
07:16
<nubae1>
yeah I can see that :-)
07:16
<cyberorg>
our edu repo is over 6G already, there would be very few apps that might be missing
07:17
<nubae1>
yeah just content creation tools for teachers mostly
07:17
lke jclic, salasaga
07:17
<cyberorg>
btw, check out italc, it should work out of box, add your admin user to italc group, log out and back in, or run italc-launcher as root
07:17
<nubae1>
need to make keys
07:17
it just complained about old keys not working
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<cyberorg>
someone is on to jclic, others i dont know
07:18
no, dont make keys
07:18
<nubae1>
ok? then it wont start
07:18
<cyberorg>
user needs to be in italc group or run as root
07:18
italc-launcher
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<nubae1>
oh right
07:19
<cyberorg>
its got stgraber's auto detection magic included :)
07:20
on live DVD it just works, i've put launcher icon on the desktop :)
07:20
<nubae1>
no authentication keys or old ones were broken I get
07:21
<cyberorg>
even as root?
07:21
<nubae1>
Sun Apr 12 14:19:41 2009: [critical] privateDSAKey::load( ... ): could not open file /etc/italc/keys/private/teacher/key
07:21
Sun Apr 12 14:19:46 2009: [critical] privateDSAKey::sign( ... ): invalid k
07:21
yep
07:21
<cyberorg>
open terminal , su - > italc-launcher
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<nubae1>
key doesnt exist
07:22
yeah I did that, thats how I got the above
07:22
teacher/key doesnt exist
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<cyberorg>
hmm, strange, let me do full installation and see whats up with that, you can create new keys then
07:23
<nubae1>
k...
07:28
yeah italc runs nice... autodetection and all
07:29
<cyberorg>
cool, i need to figure out what happened to keys on transfer from live DVD to hard disk
07:31
btw all the paths are symlinked so lts.conf or the nbd image can still be found in place people reading the upstream docs expect
07:39
<nubae1>
oh thats good
07:40
that fixes some of the unhappiness amongst devs :-)
07:41
apparmor... is that like se linux on redhat?
07:43
I'm gonna write an article at nubae.com about your livedvd
07:45
<cyberorg>
why would devs be unhappy about how suse puts all their servers under /srv :)
07:46
yes apparmor is for human beings what selinux is for geeks
07:46
i disable apparmor too
07:46
<nubae1>
yeah I just need to learn a little about it for my job
07:46
<cyberorg>
you can configure it in your sleep ;)
07:47
<nubae1>
nice
07:47
<cyberorg>
it basically "learns" stuff itself when you create application profile, i have yet to create one for ltsp
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<nubae1>
where is the link to the livedvd again?
07:50
<cyberorg>
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/
07:52
here is a how to keep yourself up to date http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2009/04/11/most-efficient-ways-to-download/
07:55
<nubae1>
how is kde with ltsp?
07:55
has anything been done with that?
07:56
<cyberorg>
works fine :)
07:56
what was the problem you had?
07:56
<nubae1>
well, my previous suse install was a total fiasco to be honest
07:57
using kde4
07:57
<cyberorg>
ah, kde4 was a fiasco when they released it :)
07:57
<nubae1>
it overwrote the wrong partition, asked hundreds of questions
07:57
and kde just didnt work
07:57
<cyberorg>
use this http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4
07:58
<nubae1>
I'll stick to gnome for now, I have enough to play around with :-)
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<cyberorg>
i'll be doing kde4.x dvd later, wanted to have it on the same dvd, but we are capped to 2G on oBS at the moment due to space constraint
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<BugsBunnyBR>
hello, someone here?
08:04
<nubae1>
ask away
08:05
<BugsBunnyBR>
I am having a small problem here...when I put "SCREEN_07=ldm" in the lts.conf..the thin client doesnot show ldm
08:05
but when I remove it...the ldm gives me the login scrren
08:05
why?
08:06
<nubae1>
why do u need the screen option?
08:09
<BugsBunnyBR>
I am developing a web ltsp configurator...the scrren option should acept some values...and I would like to could set up this option to any scrren...i mean (SCREEN_02=shell or SCREEN_04=rdesktop)..I will have more work if I have to create a special case to the ldm screen)
08:10
I will need to say to the wizzard ..."hey, if you meet a SCREEN_07-ldm...don't write that in the lts.conf"
08:11
<nubae1>
u know there is already a ltsp configurator that is non web based right? easy-ltsp
08:11
<BugsBunnyBR>
yes
08:11
but I am developing mine
08:11
=D
08:12
the easyltsp does not allow you to set up each terminal (by the screenshots I saw)..my configurator allow you to set up configuration for each terminal
08:12
<cyberorg>
nubae1, just installed one in VM to test italc, works fine without changing the keys here
08:13
BugsBunnyBR, it allows each client configuration
08:13
<nubae1>
strange, well for me, the public key didnt exist
08:13
<BugsBunnyBR>
oh..I didn't know
08:13
<nubae1>
I had to create a keypair and hten chmod 640
08:14
<cyberorg>
does changing network configuration required new keypair?
08:14
i am using default network config that is on the DVD
08:14
<nubae1>
maybe could be
08:14
<BugsBunnyBR>
any way..I would like to know..why I can not put 'SCREEN_07=ldm' in the lts.conf??
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<cyberorg>
BugsBunnyBR, as it happens you are in luck, download live DVD and check out easy-ltsp yourself :)
08:15
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Live
08:15
SCREE_07=ldm works fine
08:16
<nubae1>
the problem with having 10.0.0.254, other than it not being the default as in other distros, is that many routers use that subnet
08:16
I would use something else as default
08:17
10.0.1.x would probably be better
08:17
<BugsBunnyBR>
I am sorry..but I don't want to use the easy-ltsp..I have nothing against it
08:18
<cyberorg>
BugsBunnyBR, not to use it, to check out what it already does so it helps to write new app better
08:18
<nubae1>
BugsBunnyBR: maybe have a look at its code, it will probably show what it does
08:18
<BugsBunnyBR>
ok
08:19
<cyberorg>
BugsBunnyBR, btw Jan weber is rewriting it in python, you can join forces with him if you wish
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<BugsBunnyBR>
But..donwload a dvd just to look into the code??..it has no repository or git repository?
08:20
Mine in in python..
08:20
<cyberorg>
initial code is here https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/branches/easy-ltsp-ng/
08:20
old code https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/branches/ltsp-gui/trunk/
08:20
old one is in c#
08:21
<BugsBunnyBR>
ok
08:21
<cyberorg>
BugsBunnyBR, so why not work together to create something more awesome?
08:22
you can reach him "Jan Weber" jan at luckylemon.de, he is online sometimes
08:22
<BugsBunnyBR>
I went to the site..his work seens to by in the begining...
08:23
<cyberorg>
stgraber's cluster control tool is also web based, i think it can configure lts.conf too, check with him
08:23
yes python one he is just starting
08:23
<BugsBunnyBR>
if I fix this problem..my will by amost ok to use
08:25
<cyberorg>
it should work, if not file a bug :)
08:26
<BugsBunnyBR>
well..in the lts.conf I am setting 2 screens.. the SCREEN_02=shell and in the SCREEN_07=ldm ..if I put just one..it works...may it be the problem?
08:27
<cyberorg>
which distro? i think suse has that issue
08:27
<nubae1>
cyberorg: when using a nomad image, can I restart the server, and then continue using the thinclient?
08:27
<cyberorg>
nubae1, no
08:27
<nubae1>
ubuntu does too, u can only use one screen
08:28
hmmm... shame
08:28
<cyberorg>
though you can restart the client and continue using it :)
08:28
<BugsBunnyBR>
I am using kubuntu 8.04 to the tests..
08:29
so is that..
08:29
<cyberorg>
nubae1, of course we use almost the same init script as ubuntu
08:30
<BugsBunnyBR>
so there is not way to configure two scrrens?
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<BugsBunnyBR>
screens*
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<BugsBunnyBR>
so there is not way to configure two screens in the same thinclient?
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<cyberorg>
BugsBunnyBR, there should be, it seems to be broken atm, file a bug
08:35
<BugsBunnyBR>
I am sorry..what is atm??
08:36
<Drakonen>
at the moment
08:36
<BugsBunnyBR>
thanks
08:37
so I will disable this option in my wizzard..
08:37
some thing more what had function in the ltsp 4.2 and does not work in the ltsp 5.0??
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<nubae1>
its a bug, it should work, but doesnt
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<BugsBunnyBR>
yes..I got...but I need to know if there is more bugs like that..if ltsp 5.0 can't handle something..have no sense put that in the wizzard
08:40
when this be fixed..I will enable in the wizzard
08:41
I always use two scrrens in my thinclients in ltsp4.2..but now I will need to think in something
08:42
it's ok..I am not mad with ltsp 5.0 ..I just need to know..
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<srdjo>
Anyone interested in testing ULGI - Ubuntu LTSP GUI Installer alpha ?
09:22
<cinch>
hi all, im starting out with ltsp and setup a server and discless client. there's something fishy though, if i'm on the client and launch firefox, it gets executed locally instead of on the server.. how can i make it run on the server?
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09:24* srdjo Anyone interested in testing ULGI - Ubuntu LTSP GUI Installer alpha ?
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<cinch>
if i launch processes, and do a "ps aux" on the server they dont show up, so they must be running locally
09:26
sofar im using the default install under debian stable, im using xdm instead of ldm, maybe thats the problem, that xdm launches X locally.. dunno
09:26
ldm has a segfault when i type in the username/password
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<cyberorg>
cinch, turn off localapps from lts.conf
09:29
ah, xdm, sorry no idea about that
09:30
<cinch>
ive set LOCAL_APPS=N, and rebuilt the image, but doesnt make a difference hmm
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<Goldeneyes>
hola a todos
09:32
DESEARIA SABER SI ALGUIEN DEL FOTO TIENE EXPERIENCIA INSTALANDO LTSP SOBRE XEN 3.3
09:35
<Appiah>
english? no caps?
09:35
experience with ltsp on Xen3.3 (guess)
09:37
<Goldeneyes>
Hi i SPEAK ENGLISH REGULAR
09:38
maybe you have experience installing xen on ltsp 3.3
09:38
in XEN 3.3
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<Goldeneyes>
someone has experience installing xen3.3 on ltsp 5
09:40
09:41
<cyberorg>
Goldeneyes, you can install ltsp5 in xen3.3
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<Goldeneyes>
have any manual or procedure on how to
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<cyberorg>
Goldeneyes, depends on your distro, install and boot into xen kernel, install the distro in a VM, set up ltsp
10:13
<Goldeneyes>
CYBERORG,I have installed Debian Etch and running XEN 3.3, I created a Domu with etch all running in text mode
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CYBERORG, Now the process of installing LTSP on this is as Domu how to
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<cyberorg>
Goldeneyes, it is like you do in normal server
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<Goldeneyes>
CYBERORG, a question ... if the process is normal, the Domu has no X installed, you must have X on the server that can run LTSP.
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<cyberorg>
yes, so install it :)
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<Goldeneyes>
CYBERORG, I do not know how to install X on Xen, as an Domu can not directly access the video device, you know how to install an X in a XEN virtual machine, you know how to
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<nubae1>
Suse's samba server could incorporate user accounts in yast too, thats my one complaint about it
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<cyberorg>
nubae1, can or can't?
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<nubae1>
cannot
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<cyberorg>
of course it can
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<nubae1>
need to do smbpasswd from terminal
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where?
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<cyberorg>
edit user, plugins tab
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<nubae1>
ah plugins... ok, I didnt think of that
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hmm, under user plugins, I have manager user quota
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<cyberorg>
you probably need ldap configured and samba configure to use ldap
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<nubae1>
yeah well, I didnt want that
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I just wanted a regular user for samba
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as is created by smbpasswd
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ldap is often overkill
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especially for a small home environment
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<cyberorg>
its not too much work to get samba+ldap http://digiplan.eu.org/ldap-samba-howto-v4.html :)
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<nubae1>
Its not too hard to use the terminal, but since everything else is so gui based, it would be nice to have smbpasswd incorporated too
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its overkill for a home server... I'm sure u agree
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<cyberorg>
it is incorporated, we always use ldap so never missed it :)
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right for few users, yes
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you can skip certificate part if you dont want to use TLS
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<Goldeneyes>
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<nubae1>
Goldeneyes: si, porque... que necesitas?
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<Goldeneyes>
HELP ME INSTALL LTSP IN XEN 3.3
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<nubae1>
ldap without tls is a bit silly
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<Goldeneyes>
NUBAE1, HOLA GRACIAS POR LA ATENCION
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<cyberorg>
nubae1, i meant for home use
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<nubae1>
well for home use, just regular plain samba is enough
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preferably set to user=share
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<Goldeneyes>
NUBAE1, QUIERO INSTALAR LTSP EN UN VIRTUAL MACHINE CREADA EN XEN 3.3
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<nubae1>
y cual es el problema?
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<Goldeneyes>
NUBAE, TENGO VARIAS DUDAS
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<cyberorg>
nubae1, btw, the SGI cluster sounds pretty cool, i want to get HPC implemented in kiwi-ltsp one of these days, get it to work right off the live DVD :)
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<Goldeneyes>
LA PRIMERA: LTSP SE PUEDE EJECUTAR EN UN SERVIDOR QUE NO TIENE INSTALADO X
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ES DECIR TODO EN MODO TEXTO
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<nubae>
no
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necesitas X
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<Goldeneyes>
OK ES NECESARIO ENTOCES x
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<nubae>
yeah, the only problem with the sgi altix is it runs on itaniums
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pretty shitty processors
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<Goldeneyes>
SEGUNDA DUDA: Como se instala X en una maquina vistual con XEN 3.3
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<nubae>
igual que en una maquina normal
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instala desde un cd/dvd or imagen
10:34* cyberorg goes, looking forward to your detailed critique nubae ;)
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<nubae>
yeah, what else should I look at.. :-)
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<Goldeneyes>
ya tenfo creada mi VM con Etch solo el sistema base Ok, voy a instalar gnome core
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y no permite
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<nubae>
que te dice?
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<Goldeneyes>
por que XEN no permite el acceso directo al Video
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<nubae>
hmm, no lo necesita acceder normalmente... si estas en una VM
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intenta instalar un sistema base con X, no del package manager
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<cyberorg>
nubae, explore http://en.opensuse.org/Category:LTSP
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'night
10:40* srdjo I would like you to look at this link and tell me what do you think about GUI installer for LTSP - http://picasaweb.google.com/srdjan.vasiljevic/ULGI#
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<nubae>
another gui installer?
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<Goldeneyes>
NUBAE....''?????
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<nubae>
Goldeneyes: instala un lenny mejor que etch... y un sistema entero, no solo shell
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<Goldeneyes>
OK
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<alkisg>
srdjo: instead of starting a new one, why don't you pick up the one ogra started some time ago? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
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<Goldeneyes>
NUBAE: TIENES ALGUN MANUAL O PROCEDIMIENTO PARA INSTALAR LTSP
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<nubae>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<alkisg>
srdjo: I haven't tried any of the two, but ogra's looks more advanced... it would be nice if you could maintain it
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<nubae>
there are now 6 installers/managers for ltsp
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kinda nuts
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<Goldeneyes>
nubae: gracias
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<srdjo>
i made it 3 hours ago. it is version 0.00001 :) - I will implement many more futures in next few days.
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<srdjo>
ogras looks very good. I dont know why I didnt see it before. It is not mentioned on any ltsp website - weird
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<Goldeneyes>
Alguien a instalado LTSP en XEN 3.3
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NUBAE: tu instalastes LTSP en XEN 3.3
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<nubae>
en xen no
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pero en otras tecnologias de virtualisacion si
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yo he usado kvm, vmware y virtualbox
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el ultimo es el mas facil de usar
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<Goldeneyes>
los que mecionas realizan PARAVIRTUALIZACION tambien creo que NO
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<Goldeneyes>
alguien del Foro a instalado LTSP en XEN 3.3
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<Goldeneyes>
HOLA a todos
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<Goldeneyes>
help me install LTSP
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<Goldeneyes>
alguien que pueda ayudarme con la instalacion de LTSP
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<Ryan52>
cyberorg: hi. can you please tell me who the opensuse maintainer of inotify-tools is?
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<Goldeneyes>
HOLA hay ALGUIEN
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ayudaaaaaa
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AYUDAAAAAAAAAA
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<Goldeneyes>
hola
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necesito ayuda con LTSP
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por favor
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HELP MEEEEE
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<Goldeneyes>
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<Vyas>
I am a new to ltsp. I have just followed this tutorial (https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide). Everything works fine I can log in but then it shows a blank screen.
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<Ryan52>
what version of Fedora?
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<Vyas>
And nothing after it. I want the clients to be able to use a web browser.
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Ryan52: F10
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<Ryan52>
is this blank screen black?
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all black?
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<Vyas>
Yeah, its all black
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just a mouse pointer and all black screen
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<Ryan52>
add "SCREEN_02 = shell" to your lts.conf
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then reboot
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switch to vt 2 after the screen goes blank
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and look at teh log (might be /var/log/ldm.log, might be syslog)
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hm. mebbe it'll also need a syslog daemon installed if it isn't already..
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check ldm.log first, tho
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<Vyas>
Ryan52: You mean add SCREEN_02 = shell to /etc/ltsp/ltsp-server.conf ?
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<Ryan52>
no
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actually, it should be "SCREEN_02=shell"
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but to lts.conf
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not ltsp-server.conf
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/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<Vyas>
Ryan52: I tried adding SCREEN_02=shell in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf but it still shows the same black screen :(
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And I dont have /var/log/ldm.log. I use rsyslog
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<Ryan52>
you are confused. well, I am confusing, so that's understandable :)
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SCREEN_02=shell shouldn't fix it.
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it should make it so that you can switch to the second vt on the client.
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<johnny>
Vyas, rsyslog matters not for ldm.log
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<Vyas>
Oh I C
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<Ryan52>
and then you are on the client. and you can look at the client's ldm.log.
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<Vyas>
Actually, I am using command line "ltsp-vmclient" and if I try to change VT it changes in my host machine. And I dont know how to do that :(
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<Ryan52>
ctrl-alt-2
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you'll get a qemu command prompt
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enter the command "sendkey ctrl-alt-f2"
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then do "ctrl-alt-1" again to get back.
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<Vyas>
wow, something new to learn.
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Well I tried sendkey ctrl-alt-f2 but it doesnt look like it is changing terminal, cause I dont see any shell prompt
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<Ryan52>
what do you see?
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"I dont see" ... that leaves a bunch of possibilities.
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<Vyas>
(qemu)
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<Ryan52>
"I do see" ... that explains it.
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ok.
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that's expected.
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<Vyas>
oh
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<Ryan52>
you need to follow my last step.
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18:59 < Ryan52> then do "ctrl-alt-1" again to get back.
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then you should see a real shell prompt.
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<Vyas>
em, I did sendkey ctrl-alt-f2 and then ctrl-alt-1 but I still dont see a shell prompt
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:(
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Just black screen. This time I dont see mouse pointer too
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<Ryan52>
maybe it starts at zero...lemme check.
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no.
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and you rebooted the client after changing lts.conf?
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<Vyas>
yes, I rebooted the client. I also restarted all the service
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<Ryan52>
are you using nfs or nbd?
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<Vyas>
I am using nfs
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I also tried to put 01 instead of 02 in lts.conf. Just check if it starts on VT1. but no change. still see the same black screen
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<Ryan52>
uhh....after logging in?
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01 is where your login screen is.
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so you should have no login screen at that point.
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(I think)
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<Vyas>
hmmm, I changed it to 02
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but still the same
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I have followed this tutorial: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide. Is there anything missing in it ? I am sorry I am new to this so I dont know
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<Ryan52>
ok, which file exactly are you editing, and please pastebin it's full contents.
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<Vyas>
sure
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<Ryan52>
gah, crap.
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I think I meant for you to be editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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add that under the default section and see if it works.
21:22* Ryan52 be back later..
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<Vyas>
ah okay, lemme try that :)
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<Ryan52>
(sorry)
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<Vyas>
np :)
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yeah, I now see a shell prompt :)
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So what do I look for here ?
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Link to my lts.conf file >>> http://fpaste.org/paste/8905
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<Ryan52>
after you get the blank screen, and while that's happening, pastebin your /var/log/ldm.log
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on the client
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<Vyas>
I am trying to scp the ldm.log file to my host machine and it is taking a long while to do that
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still not copied
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<Ryan52>
and you're using the ltspbr0 address?
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<Vyas>
no my eth0 address
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<Ryan52>
that would explain why
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use the ltspbr0 address.
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<Vyas>
wow, instantly
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Ryan52: logs >>> http://fpaste.org/paste/8910
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<Ryan52>
hm.
22:00* Ryan52 is confused
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<Vyas>
dont see anything wrong ?
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<Ryan52>
dunno why it's telling us about it's environment..
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that shouldn't happen, afaik.
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<Vyas>
hmm
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Any way I can get a GUI and atleast run firefox ?
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<Ryan52>
no
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if your setup is broken, you can't get anything to work.
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that's kind of the point of "broken" ;)
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<Vyas>
hmmm, what do you suggest now ? How can I fix it ?
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<Vyas>
I think I'll give up on this..
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Thanks Ryan52 :--)
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<Ryan52>
what's the output of "pstree"?
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<Vyas>
Ryan52: http://fpaste.org/paste/8911
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<Ryan52>
ok, so it's connected..
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what about the output of "pstree" on the server?
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<Vyas>
Ryan52: http://fpaste.org/paste/8912
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looks okay ?
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<Ryan52>
that gnome-session is on the server
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?
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I mean, are you logged into the server itself with gnome?
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<Vyas>
yes
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<Ryan52>
`ps aux | grep ssh` on the client
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<Vyas>
Ryan52: http://fpaste.org/paste/8913
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<Ryan52>
turn off LDM_DIRECTX
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and try again.
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<Vyas>
you mean turn off in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf right ?
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I tried it, doesnt work
22:42* Ryan52 has no clue, sorry
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<Vyas>
arrrg, its almost 12 and m still at uni, I think i'll give up on this, enough for today
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np
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Thanks for help Ryan52 :)
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Ryan52: Do you have a better how to for F10 by any chance ?
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I mean a better tutorial for ltsp on F10
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<Ryan52>
i doubt that you messed it up..
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I mean, the basic set up part.
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there's just something wonky in there. anyway, that howto is the official one, and it works..
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<Vyas>
hmmm, may be i'll try that again tomorrow
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<cyberorg>
Ryan52, Pascal Bleser, yaloki on IRC
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<Ryan52>
cyberorg: thanks!
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<cyberorg>
Ryan52, i dont see it officially in 11.1, it is in our edu repo
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http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.1&p=1&q=inotify-tools
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http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/openSUSE_11.1/repodata/repoview/inotify-tools-0-3.13-3.2.html
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