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Channel log from 2 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
hi
02:10
i wanna know to LTSP5 needs to wireless modules? or it can handle wireless?
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<Q-FUNK>
m_pahlevanzadeh: no, since you would need wireless support to be enabled before you load the bootstrap from the chroot.
02:15
<sep>
m_pahlevanzadeh, you can use pxe nic's thru a wireless ethernet converter, but it's usualy not worth the cost. money better spent on cables
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
can i get source code of LTSP?
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<sep>
m_pahlevanzadeh, http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Devel contains a list of the various braches
03:34
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
sep, ty
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<daya>
ogra, hi
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<BlueRaid>
hi
07:39
<_EXP>
how you can change terminal login screen in ubuntu 7.04 + ltsp5
07:40
<BlueRaid>
I'm very worride about my ltspclients, when i boot the client the it says nfsmount nedd a path, but a few line higer he say rootpath: 10.1.1.5:/opt/ltsp/i386
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<_EXP>
take away 10.1.1.5
07:40
<BlueRaid>
ok
07:40
<_EXP>
try just /opt/ltsp/i386
07:41
<BlueRaid>
today i updated to ltsp5 ...
07:41
<_EXP>
Me 2
07:41
had same problem
07:41
<BlueRaid>
^^
07:42
<_EXP>
much easier to use than 4.2
07:42
<ogra>
_EXP, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
07:45
<BlueRaid>
arg
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<_EXP>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
07:47
how you change the language in login screen?
07:47
<ogra>
you cant, thats a feature ldm2 (gutsy 7.10) solves ...
07:48
you can hack up the code though, old ldm is trivial python code
07:48
<_EXP>
that is a small problem... no need to fix
07:49
<ogra>
if you want to look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk
07:50
change "Username" and "Password" to whatever you want :)
07:50
<BlueRaid>
is anewher a doc about the lts.con in ltsp5
07:50
?
07:51
*y
07:51
<ogra>
/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
07:51
have a look in there
07:51
<BlueRaid>
ok thanks
07:51
<ogra>
its mainly not needed
07:52
only if you want to override autodetected things or want to tweak it a bit you should use it
07:52
general operation should work without it
07:53
<BlueRaid>
oh first i must safe our netbootfloppys
07:53
and i feel better when i make somethink in the configs ;-)
07:54
<ogra>
you can indeed, but there is no need anymore with ltsp5 :)
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<BlueRaid>
^^
07:56
<_EXP>
thx... Got it now... Making a ltsp server to kids aged 6-12, and they start learning english at 3rd grade
07:57
<BlueRaid>
_EXP: and when the kids are older they can come to me ^^ from 10 to 18years
07:57
mh must i use the macaddres or can i use the hostname, too?
07:58
<ogra>
you can use the hostname but need a working dns etc ... i'd go with the MAC, its way way easier to maintain
07:58
<EXP2>
i already made a server based on 6.06 and 4.2... but this server has newer HW so it won't work on 6.06 ubuntu
07:59
<BlueRaid>
ah ok then i can copy my localprinter config, so i must edit all 15 printerconfigs
08:00
msg EXP2 with sparc64 it is funny,too
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<BlueRaid>
give it screenscripts?
08:10
args
08:13
why the client don't connect to the server? I saw a localgdm
08:13
<ogra>
you mean ldm ?
08:14
<BlueRaid>
ldm?
08:14
a local gdm
08:14
i think
08:14
<ogra>
the ltsp login manager
08:14
<BlueRaid>
ah..
08:14
<ogra>
thats the defrault if you didnt fiddle in lts.conf
08:15
<BlueRaid>
ah and waht does the ldm?
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<ogra>
it cares for your login ... establishes an ssh tunnel and runs the desktop session on the server.... its also responsible for setting up sound and local devices
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<BlueRaid>
what is the sdm?
08:29
<ogra>
a set of xdialog scripts that does similar things like ldm WRT ssh ...
08:29
(but no sound setup or localdev support)
08:31
<BlueRaid>
ah ok.... and the ldm is a frontend to login in the system, start somethink like a skript and tehn connect to the server?
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<EXP2>
how you can change default screen resolution of client? http://pastebin.com/d65b41b21, wont work
08:38
<trondm>
does anyone know a command to list users logged in on ltsp5? On ltsp4.2 I did 'last | grep "still"'
08:39
<BlueRaid>
trondm: w?
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<EXP2>
trondm, what distro?
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<trondm>
w and who returns nothing
08:39
Its Debian Stable (Etch)
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<BlueRaid>
ps aux | grep klipper
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<EXP2>
have you tried thin client manager? i have it with ubuntu
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<BlueRaid>
or some on else what the clients start automatical and only one
08:41
<trondm>
that works, but it does not return which terminal the user is at.
08:42
<BlueRaid>
add --tty
08:44
<trondm>
add --tty... how?
08:44
<BlueRaid>
ps aux --tty | grep klipper
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<trondm>
returns: ERROR: List of ttys must follow --tty.
08:45
something is supposed to follow tty?
08:46
I did this:
08:46
ps aux --tty 0 | grep klipper | grep -v root
08:46
and I get a list of users, but not the name/ip of their terminal
08:46
<ogra>
ps aux|grep "bash -c LTSP_CLIENT"|grep -v grep|cut -d' ' -f1
08:47
<trondm>
We have 900 terminals on 8 schools, and I would like to see who is logged in where
08:47
<ogra>
should work
08:47
<BlueRaid>
trondm: what have you for servers?
08:47
<trondm>
hm?
08:47
ogra: returns nothing here
08:47
blank
08:47
<BlueRaid>
how many server use you? What prossesor? how many RAM?
08:47
<trondm>
10 servers
08:48
<savetheWorld>
trondm: the rwho command can help with that.
08:48
<ogra>
trondm, sorry im on gutsy ... grep for LTSP_CLIENT and bash that sould gain you anything
08:48
(the command of ldm changed between gutsy and feisty)
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<trondm>
I am on DebianEdu 3.0 if that means anything
08:48
<ogra>
thats etch based, right
08:48
<trondm>
yes
08:49
<ogra>
so it has the same ltsp version as ubuntu edgy ... hmm
08:49
<trondm>
ok, rwho also returns the username, but I want the terminalname or ip aswell
08:49
<ogra>
ps eaxww|grep "bash --login -c"|grep "env LTSP_CLIENT"|grep PPID|grep -v grep
08:50
thats what student-control-panel used back then
08:50
<trondm>
it returns nothing here
08:50
<ogra>
well ...
08:50
no idea what debian changed on that code
08:51
its quite old (over a year)
08:51
best is you wait for vagrantc, he ports it from ubuntu
08:52
i wouldnt know about any changes he made to ldm in that release though
08:53
<trondm>
I tried this:
08:53
ps eaxww|grep "bash --login -c"|grep "LTSP_CLIENT"|grep PPID|grep -v grep
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and it returns a lot, several lines
08:53
<ogra>
right
08:53
<trondm>
can I paste the output somewhere for you to see?
08:53
<ogra>
so you have the master processes for all your users ...
08:54
<trondm>
It returns 7 lines og info. There is one user logged in...
08:54
<ogra>
hmm
08:55
<trondm>
Can I paste the seven lines here? Perhaps you can see what to grep out?
08:55
<ogra>
put an u in the eaxww
08:55
!pastebin
08:55
<ltspbot`>
ogra: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
08:55
<ogra>
!pastebot
08:55
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:55
<ogra>
bah
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<ltsppbot>
"trondm" pasted "kk-sk-ts4C:/# ps eaxww|grep "b" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/248
08:56
<trondm>
there
08:56
can you see it?
08:57
<ogra>
thats one line ;)
08:57
you terminal wrapped it
08:57
<trondm>
oh
08:57
can you make anything out?
08:57
<ogra>
if you add the u you get the username as prefix
08:58
ps eauxww
08:58
<trondm>
yes then the username comes first, followed by a lot more
08:58
<ogra>
right
08:58
<BlueRaid>
mh can i isntall cups local so that i mustn't use lp_server?
08:58
<ogra>
ESPEAKER or PULSE_SERVER hold the ip of th client
08:59
(or SSH_CONNECTION)
09:00
<trondm>
can you make another oneliner for me? That returns username + ipadress?
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<ogra>
thats hard to do without having the same setup here
09:02
<trondm>
ok
09:02
<ogra>
appending |cut -d' ' -f1 will give you the username
09:02
<mattwalston>
Anyone know if portmapper is needed? Fedora 7 does not provide it.
09:02
<ogra>
mattwalston, depends what you want to do :)
09:03
<mattwalston>
ogra: get ltsp working
09:03
ogra: I have no other need for nfs
09:04
<ogra>
mattwalston, ltsp mounts with nolock (i hope thats true for 4.2 as well) so you shouldnt need portmap
09:05
trondm, ps eaxww|grep "bash --login -c"|grep "LTSP_CLIENT"|grep PPID|grep -v grep|cut -d'=' -f4|cut -d':' -f1
09:05
for the IP
09:05
<mattwalston>
ogra: not sure, i know 4.2 fails to mount root directory and I can mount it on another fedora client
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<mattwalston>
I thought I would try ltsp-5
09:11
but the ltsp-update-sshkeys fails
09:11
any ideas?
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<ogra>
fails ?
09:12
how ?
09:12
<mattwalston>
/usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 5: ip: command not found
09:12
/usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 6: tempfile: command not found
09:12
/usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 21: $output: ambiguous redirect
09:12
logger: /var/log/syslog: No such file or directory.
09:12
/usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 21: $output: ambiguous redirect
09:12
logger: /var/log/syslog: No such file or directory.
09:12
Setting up ssh_known_hosts in:
09:12
/opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386
09:12
install: missing destination file operand after `/opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts'
09:12
Try `install --help' for more information.
09:13
<ogra>
please use a pastebot (see topic) next time
09:13
<mattwalston>
oh, sorry
09:13
<ogra>
well indeed
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<ogra>
there is no ltsp-update-sshkeys for redhat yet
09:13
<mattwalston>
ogra: oh, is their a way around that?
09:13
<ogra>
well first i'd install all the missing binaries
09:14
ip and tempfile
09:14
logger (syslog)
09:14* gvy contemplates $topic with another case of more or less excellent integration :-)
09:14
<mattwalston>
does ltsp require syslog?
09:14
<gvy>
ogra, would that be very shameless plug or should you or someone first check the facts? :)
09:14
<ogra>
logger at least
09:15
<mattwalston>
no package provides ip in fedora
09:15
<ogra>
gvy, no idea i'm not the one setting the topic :)
09:15
mattwalston, thats a basic linux command there should be some package
09:16
in ubuntu its in the iprouute package
09:16
<gvy>
ogra, hm, thanks; maybe will catch some op some day
09:16
<mattwalston>
ogra: ip and tempfile exist, just not in normal user path, a su - fixes that part
09:17
<ogra>
mattwalston, oh, roight, indeed you need to be admin to even write to the client root :)
09:17
<mattwalston>
How do I use the pastebot?
09:18
<ogra>
!pastebin
09:18
<ltspbot`>
ogra: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
09:18
<ogra>
!pastebot
09:18
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:18
<ogra>
(i'll never learn it)
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
09:18
<ogra>
pong
09:19
what did you break again ?
09:19
<Gadi>
gutentag - I have an older version of the configure-x.sh that doesnt implement the sync range stuff. did you ever get around to coding that in the newer version?
09:20
and, I don't break things :)
09:20
<mattwalston>
is their someway to make ltsp-5 work w/o ssh keys?
09:21
<Gadi>
mattwalston: edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_config and set "StrictHostKeyChecking no"
09:21
<mattwalston>
thanks
09:21
<Gadi>
but, then you are less secure
09:21
<mattwalston>
Gadi: right now I have major down time and the network is trusted
09:22
<ogra>
Gadi, let me check
09:22
<Gadi>
just letting you know - with great power comes great responsibility, spidey ;)
09:22
<ogra>
nope, not yet
09:22
<Gadi>
ok. I will mod up the script itself and send you patches ;)
09:22
<ogra>
you can use X_MODE now though ;)
09:23
thanks
09:23
note that it might be that Xorg has put values in, even thats not the common case
09:23
<Gadi>
hmm... has it changed since 5.0.21?
09:23
<ogra>
nope
09:23
<Gadi>
ok, so I can mod this copy
09:23
thx
09:24
<ogra>
.22 has only some nbdroot fixes from MrMoo and scotts new ldm
09:24
<mattwalston>
What does nfsmount: need a path mean?
09:24
<Gadi>
you need to specify root-path in dhcpd.conf
09:24
<ogra>
mattwalston, that tere is a bug in debian/ubuntu initramfs :)
09:25
<Gadi>
doh
09:25
<mattwalston>
ogra: any fix?
09:25
<ogra>
if you have the ip and a colon in the root-path variable it breaks
09:25
drop ip and colon
09:25
<mattwalston>
oh ok
09:26
<ogra>
also make sure /etc/X11/Xsession exists ... thast what ldm wants to execute by default
09:26
(you can make it a link to gnome-session or startkde or whatever, i think redhat doesnt have that script)
09:30
<mattwalston>
wow, new nfs error... NFS over TCP not available from ${IP}
09:32
<_EXP>
how you can disable terminal floppy drive in ltsp 5?
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<mattwalston>
simple question? can I install ltsp on another machine than the one I wish to connect to?
09:41
<_EXP>
because when usb USB stick it reads first from floppy, this is annoying....
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<_EXP>
any suggestions?
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<BlueRaid>
mattwalston why you don't install portmapper?
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<BlueRaid>
where i can finde the ltspfsd source?
12:12
ltspfs
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi... are you here???
12:35
Are you among us, Gadi???
12:38
I have a VIA VGA compatible controller (lspci -n = 1106:3344) witch I'd like to work on ltsp 4.2... Last time I told you about that you send me a driver compilation to use... It did'nt work... :-( What can I do?
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<monteslu>
it's a revolt on the k12ltsp mailing list...
12:43
eric, please come back
12:44
now's your chance to pimp ubuntu, ogra
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: could you pull mkelfimage 2.7-3 into the archive? automated syncs are already disabled and time is running short before tribe-4.
13:44
hm... did sbalneav go on vacation?
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<mattwalston>
My terminal just returns me to the login screen, no error, no nothing, how should I start troubleshooting?
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<vagrantc>
mattwalston: what linux distro ?
15:26
<mattwalston>
ubuntu 7.04
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<vagrantc>
try running ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<vagrantc>
and then logging in again
15:27
<ogra>
vagrantc, how is your ldm quest going ?
15:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: haven't even tried yet
15:27
ogra: too busy killing lessdisks
15:27
<ogra>
still
15:27
<mattwalston>
vagrantc: no luck
15:27
<ogra>
ppor guy
15:27
*poor
15:28
mattwalston, then check ~/.xsession-errors of this user
15:28
do you happen to have sabayon installed ?
15:28
<mattwalston>
ogra: negative
15:28
<ogra>
so check the error log
15:29
see if the login attempt gets through the ldogin manager stage
15:29
*login
15:30
"Xsession: X session started for ogra2 at Di 31. Jul 17:44:56 CEST 2007" .... you should at least see something like this
15:30
<mattwalston>
ogra: lot's of alsa errors
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<mattwalston>
ogra: none of the auth protocols are supported and host based auth failed
15:32
ogra: how do I use gdm instead of ldm again? I would like to use the chooser anyways
15:33
<ogra>
you will loose sound and localdevice support ...
15:33
but you can set SCREEN_07=startx
15:33
(in lts.conf)
15:33
<mattwalston>
ogra: oh, than I guess I better try and make things work
15:34
<vagrantc>
mattwalston: can you log into the machine with ssh ?
15:35
<mattwalston>
vagrantc: oops, actually no
15:35
<ogra>
ah, thats the prob then
15:36
<vagrantc>
we need to make a step by step guide one of these days
15:36
like the checklist for localdev in ltsp 4.2
15:36
<ogra>
yup
15:36
but rather a general FAQ
15:36
<vagrantc>
how about 13 different FAQs with conflicting information?
15:37
<ogra>
i wonder if i should add a recommends for ubuntu-desktop|kubuntu-desktop ... etc to ltsp-server-standalone
15:37
<vagrantc>
definitely.
15:37
<ogra>
lets make that 20 rather, nice round number :)
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<mattwalston>
I am curious, what is the most demanded features on the agenda for ltsp? I know for me it would be packaging with additional distros
15:40
<ogra>
fat clients
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and localapps
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the packaging is up to the distros
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<mattwalston>
oh i see
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<ogra>
some have made some efforts ... but none have succeeded yet
15:41
<vagrantc>
although, doesn't gnome-desktop install network mangler ?
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<mattwalston>
yeah, I have noticed
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<vagrantc>
not sure you want that on a server
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<ogra>
vagrantc, in ubuntu it wont touch any interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces
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so if you define a static ip for one interface NM is fine
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if you only have one ... you loose
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<ogra>
i run NM on my laptop which i use as ltsp server
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<ogra>
ts great for wireless
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<joebaker>
Yes network-manager is very helpful for wireless!
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<Lumiere>
except NM seems to have issues with my wired net
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<joebaker>
NM has lots of issues, but it's getting better with each distro release.
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For the wired network problem just select the connection again, it will reset and reconnect. lumiere
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<mattwalston>
by the way, what causes the black blocks under the mouse every now and then?
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<jammcq>
those are turds
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<mattwalston>
well the boss was asking why the mouse was leaving him presents across the screen
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<Gadi>
mattwalston: do you know what video driver?
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<mattwalston>
Gadi: not really, thinking... some via thing
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<Gadi>
heh... well, in the olden days of LTSP <5, you could set a device option for the driver to use a software cursor
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which I believe alleviates the turds
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iirc
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<ogra>
you can use a static xorg.conf
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<mattwalston>
thanks
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<Gadi>
right
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these days, you can go static
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and point the client to a static xorg.conf
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but, iirc, you want a SWCursor
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16:07* ogra remembers some via's needed VideoRam set
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<mattwalston>
oh ok
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how would one find out the graphics chipset on the client?
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<Lumiere>
joebaker: my wired network greys out
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if I disconnect it
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until I reboot
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<Gadi>
ask it nicely. or, set: SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_02=shell, reboot, hit ctrl-alt-f2, and type: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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<ogra>
mattwalston, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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<Gadi>
or that
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<ogra>
mattwalston, give your users PW and set a root pw on the client with the next two questions
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<mattwalston>
done, now login how?
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<Gadi>
ctrl-alt-f1
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<ogra>
boot a client and swithc to console (ctrl-alt-f1)
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then log in as root with the pw you just set
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<mattwalston>
wow, they spared no expense
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Via Technologies, Inc. VT8623 Apollo CastleRock graphics
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<ogra>
and if you grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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is via used as well ?
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<mattwalston>
ogra: yes
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<ogra>
so ...
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scp /etc/X11/xorg.conf <user>@server:/tmp/
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replace <user> with a user that can log in to the server
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answer yes if ssh wants to verify the key ad give the password
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then log out again
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<mattwalston>
ok
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<ogra>
go back to the server, copy the file from /tmp to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg-via.conf or so ...
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<mattwalston>
oh ok, I see
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<ogra>
then add XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg-via.conf to yout lts.conf
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<ogra>
*your
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now you can make changes as you like
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to make sure you only use it on that specific client you can add a section for it based on the MAC address
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see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
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<mattwalston>
on another note, is their any facility like in the nt terminal services manager to kill client sessions, take control, shadow, and see logged in users?
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<ogra>
for (ed,k,x)ubuntu there is thin-client-maager (or for older releases student-control-panel)
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*manager
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<mattwalston>
ogra: oh ok, i will look at it
16:28
i do not know if it is ltsp or the distros but I think the k12 focus does a disservice to the product
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<ogra>
well, its one area where ltsp is big
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we got many if not most users in education
16:30* ogra is slightly biased as the main developer of edubuntu :)
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<mattwalston>
true but our deployment almost missed finding out about the project because we thought it was an all inclusive package that would take over a machine
16:32* jammcq wonders how k12 could be a disservice to the product
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<whiprush>
he's saying that because it's called "k12" that he probably just was like "oh, that doesn't mean it would be good for us, we're not k12"
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<jammcq>
what 'k12ltsp' ?
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<mattwalston>
exactly
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<whiprush>
yeah
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you go "well, I'm a university, I guess this isn't for me."
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or whatever
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<jammcq>
well, the focus for k12ltsp IS kindergarten through 12th grade
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<ogra>
thats why i still fight for the ubuntu ltsp server CD ;)
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<whiprush>
ogra: !! explain
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<ogra>
thats as neutral as can be
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<whiprush>
ah
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right
16:33
that is a great idead
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<jammcq>
ubuntu ltsp server is definately what's needed
16:34
<ogra>
whiprush, having the same integrated thing as edubuntu but with a default ubuntu desktop
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<whiprush>
it should be a task like the LAMP server or whatever
16:34* jammcq thinks thin clients should just be there by default
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<whiprush>
yeah
16:34
click button
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like you do for samba shares
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except share out desktops
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<jammcq>
you install ubuntu, and you can just plug thin clients in and be happy
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<mattwalston>
here is a thought...
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instead of using diffrent media spins, what about developing package groups
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<whiprush>
yeah, that's what tasksel does
16:35
<mattwalston>
use the same media for all, and have a bare option
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<whiprush>
right
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<ogra>
thats what we have atm, metapackages care for it ...
16:36
<monteslu>
jammcq, so is ltsp4 not being worked on anymore?
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<jammcq>
pretty much
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<ogra>
monteslu, since two years :)
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there was a kernel update some time though iirc
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+ago
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<monteslu>
how hard is muekow to add to an existing distro compared to ltsp4 ?
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<mattwalston>
like today, I am on an adsl connection in bfe and had a desktop cd, i really just needed a bare minimum install, shell, editor and networking and their was no easy way
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<ogra>
monteslu, depends on your coding and packaging skills
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<monteslu>
coding is good, but packaging needs some work
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<ogra>
monteslu, most things to do for integration are changes to existing distro packages
16:38
the ltsp stuff itself is shell, python or latest addition C :)
16:38
<monteslu>
but they could be placed into a repo as replacements right?
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<ogra>
that would defeat the muecow idea :)
16:38
the thing is all about maintenance
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<monteslu>
sure, but fedora isn't doing anything to make it happen
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<ogra>
keeping the workload for packages like Xorg or kernel in the distro
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<monteslu>
at least not that I've seen
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<ogra>
sad
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<ogra>
opensuse had some movement the recent times
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but that seems to have fallen asleep again
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<monteslu>
and Eric has disappeard from the mailing list more than a month ago, so I don't even know how to help him integrate it
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<whiprush_>
eric lives, we just saw him at ubuntu live
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<ogra>
he wont do it he said when we met
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<mattwalston>
for the life of me, I don't get why fedora has made ltsp a priority, it is a big time missing feature
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<ogra>
he will do another release based on 4.2
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<monteslu>
he tired of packaging k12 ?
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<whiprush_>
mattwalston: indeed.
16:40
<ogra>
no, just out of time
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job keeping him busy etc
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<monteslu>
wish I could help him out somehow
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<ogra>
mail him
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<monteslu>
tried, just not directly :)
16:41
<ogra>
i guess he reads his mail still :)
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<monteslu>
I suggested on the k12 list that maybe it would be easier if it was just a repo & scripts instead of a full distro, but was shot down
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and I've got to start upgrading on monday, or I'm stuck on the old version
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oh well... work calls. bbl
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<dkennel>
hello?
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<LTSP>
Hi. Does anyone have a good link to troubleshooting the local devices (primarily sound) for a Kubuntu 6.10 with LTSP post installed via command line apt-get (server openssh etc)? Basic LTSP has been working well since initiated last fall, I had tried a bunch of stuff but ended up giving up then (passed reference from this list regarding "wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices". Now the natives are restless and I need to re-look
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<cliebow>
LTSP: dont suppose you have time to wait f....or gutsy
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<LTSP>
cliebow: so the best fix is gutsy? What are the changes that make it more likely for client sound to work?
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<dberkholz>
heh. working on ltsp stuff again, can't remember where i was at last time i did it
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<mistik1>
dberkholz: howdy
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It seems finding time to work on ltsp is more and more difficult
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<dberkholz>
his mistik1
21:28
hi*
21:28
mistik1: were you doing anything with those init scripts?
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<mistik1>
I think all I got done was the function to setup X
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If you're ready to get started again let me know what is needed and i'll help with what I can
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<dberkholz>
i'm kinda working on ltsp-build-client
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<mistik1>
sec, taking a look
21:31
ok, so you're working on the portion to build the actual chroot?
21:32
Looking at what you had laid out so far there, I had one issue with the method of getting this done
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<dberkholz>
yeah
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<mistik1>
For one you assumed using packages built from the host system with quickpkg, well as someone who routinely uses an AMD64 system I see an inherent problem with doing it that way
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<dberkholz>
yes, that will need checks for cross-arch
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haven't added those anywhere yet
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<mistik1>
have anything in mind?
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<dberkholz>
it shouldn't be terribly difficult to compare the server and client archs
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<mistik1>
yes that's dead easy, the question is what to do about it when the arch differs
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<dberkholz>
easy way out is don't use binaries
21:37
gentoo binpkgs have no way i'm aware of to easily check which arch they're built for
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one of their shortcomings
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<mistik1>
I agree, it would also be a very gentoo way
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<dberkholz>
we might be able to pull in a stage3 or something
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would be preferable to total build from source
21:38
<mistik1>
dependency tracking is also a major issue with binpkgs
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<dberkholz>
care to expand on that?
21:39
<mistik1>
Correct me if i'm wrong, I read in some documentation that binary package dont do dependency tracking and you have to know what you want to install
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<dberkholz>
that's incorrect
21:40
<mistik1>
good to know
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<dberkholz>
binpkgs have the ebuild tagged on the end. portage snarps it off and parses it
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<mistik1>
hmm
21:41
I wonder
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<dberkholz>
if binpkgs didn't do dependency tracking, the whole networkless install wouldn't work because you couldn't do 'emerge -k gnome'
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<mistik1>
I must be thinking of something else, maybe ROOT= or something
21:42
I know I ran into some dependency issue and when tracking to find that doc I was talking about
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Anyhow its nice to get that out my head ;-)
21:43
where were we, stage3.
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I would definately agree with starting with a stage3, building the X deps will take a while however I dont see this as a challenge to a gentoo user.
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<mistik1>
With the whole MueKow idea being you can integrate with any distro, I dont see a ubuntu user opting to deploy ltsp on gentoo, so its a non issue
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<mistik1>
dberkholz: I built a rootfs here starting with a stage3 and built Xorg and most of what I think we'll need, I never got as far as booting it and play with the init scripts, but would you like a package list of what is in it so far?
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<dberkholz>
mistik1: sure.
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<mistik1>
sec
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<dberkholz>
mistik1: most useful would be stuff that isn't already in http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/Gentoo/010-bootstrap or http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/Gentoo/000-basic-configuration
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<dberkholz>
someone really needs to write an scm wrapper that just detects what kind of repo you're in and does the right thing
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<ltsppbot>
"mistik1" pasted "pkglist" (227 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/249
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<dberkholz>
i always type git or svn or something instead of bzr
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mistik1: can you do your world file instead
21:53
<mistik1>
sure
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only 3 packages in the world file
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<dberkholz>
good
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<mistik1>
xorg-x11, portage-utils, and I like having eix around ;)
21:55
everything else is system
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dberkholz: here is the relevent portions that I changed in the make.conf
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USE="X -ipv6 sdl truetype esd alsa hal sndfile pulseaudio"
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INPUT_DEVICES="evdev keyboard mouse vmmouse"
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VIDEO_CARDS="nv radeon vesa chips cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 r128 s3 s3virge sis trident via vmware"
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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