IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 18 January 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:15
<vagrantc>
sutula: well, build seemed to go ok.
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00:17
<muh2000_>
what is "ldminfod" ?
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00:17
<vagrantc>
sutula: available at deb http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian etch-backports/
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00:18
<vagrantc>
muh2000_: it's used for LDM to query the server for available sessions and languages
00:18
<highvoltage>
hey vagrantc
00:19
<vagrantc>
highvoltage: heya
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<highvoltage>
vagrantc: I saw your application to become a dm on the debian-newmaint list. great stuff!
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00:21
<vagrantc>
highvoltage: yeah!
00:22
highvoltage: was just uploaded yesterday
00:22
don't know when i can actually start uploading packages ...
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00:23
<vagrantc>
but ltspfs is already flagged for debian-maintainer uploads
00:23
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: cool, congratulations!
00:23
<muh2000_>
hmm
00:23
<highvoltage>
ah
00:24
<vagrantc>
highvoltage: still got some work on my end for debian developer status ...
00:25
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: I hope you get there soon though
00:26
<vagrantc>
sutula: i'm testing the new packages to make sure they didn't totally break ...
00:28* vagrantc ponders running qemu from virtualbox
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<vagrantc>
then i could test usb support
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00:37
<vagrantc>
hrm.
00:38
getting cdrom icon that won't go away even though it gets unmounted
00:38
<johnny>
vagrantc, is there a way to isolate the devices from the server so they clients won't see?
00:38
unless wanted that is
00:39
<vagrantc>
johnny: could you be more specific?
00:44
<johnny>
uggh..
00:44
i meant storage devices
00:44
cds,usb drives, etc
00:45
<vagrantc>
johnny: what is behaving in a way that you don't like, and how would you like it to be improved?
00:46
<hursand>
hi,everybody. Who installed ltsp4.2 on Slackware 11 ?
00:46
<johnny>
devices plugged into the server
00:46
show up on the clients
00:47* vagrantc wonders where this is going
00:47
<johnny>
hursand, finding ltsp 4.2 folks in general isn't easy in this chat
00:47
and on slackware, less so
00:48
vagrantc, don't you see that as a problem?
00:48
am i missing something?
00:48
<vagrantc>
johnny: i see that as something people have worked very hard to achieve
00:48
<johnny>
well, it could be personal data
00:48
<vagrantc>
johnny: ah, wait.
00:48
johnny: i see what you're saying.
00:49
<johnny>
i wonder if there's a way to make some stuff show up, but not others
00:49
stuff mounted by the main desktop user shouldn't show up
00:50
or any desktop user on that machine rather
00:50
but i can imagine a big HD perhaps being made available
00:50
<vagrantc>
right. i know bugs have been reported, and newer versions of gnome should be addressing that issue for gnome, at least.
00:50
<johnny>
or such things
00:50
policykit?
00:51
<vagrantc>
and/or consolekit
00:51
<johnny>
that sad part about that is...
00:51
is that many folks are upset at the way redhat/novell are managing these very important projects
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00:51
<johnny>
i hear folks in other distros always complaining about hal and policykit, and all these rewrites and code drops
00:52
<vagrantc>
sutula: i went ahead and put the updated ltspfs backport in place
00:53
<sutula>
vagrantc: OK...I'll give it a whirl (but not tonight)
00:55
<vagrantc>
sutula: thanks for figuring this stuff out :)
00:57
<sutula>
vagrantc: np...part of the "community"...we all benefit
00:57
<vagrantc>
sutula: indeed :)
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04:45
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, do you really think a check for gda2 is necessary ? we dropped it from the build-dep anyway
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04:51
<cdealer__>
Hi. What command replaces ltspinfo ?
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04:52
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: better to keep the code backward-compatible, as much as possible.
04:52
<ogra>
ah, right, i always forget about backports
04:52* ogra cries for the time when ubuntu didnt support that
04:52
<Q-FUNK>
:)
04:52
hehehe
04:53
<ogra>
backports, stable release updates .... life was so easy once ....
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04:55
<cdealer__>
to change the resolution to all clients I use X_MODE = 1024x768 ?
04:55
<ogra>
in the [default] section, yes
04:55
<cdealer__>
ok
04:55
ltspinfo doesnt exist anymore?
04:55
<ogra>
nope
04:56
<cdealer__>
any substitute?
04:56
<ogra>
for what exactly ?
04:56
ltspinfo queried many services
04:56
<cdealer__>
info about the user machine
04:56
ah ok
04:56
<ogra>
you can qery each separately
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07:54
<Tilllinux>
Is it possible to boot different OS from one ltsp server? Let's assume there is a debian Server who offers to boot cloneZilla, Ubuntu and SuSe.
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08:44
<autodita1>
hi. i have problems umounting local thin client usb mass-storage with ltsp5 (gutsy). the station has LOCAL_STORAGE = yes and the user in in the fuse group. when i try to unount a device, it says:"umount: /media/rouven/usbdisk-sda1 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)" any hints?
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08:59
<sutula>
autodita1: I'm not the expert in that area, but when others have asked, they've been told that it's safe to just unplug them a few seconds after they're done flashing
09:00
IIRC, there isn't currently a way to unmount them
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09:08
<ogra>
autodita1, gutsys nautilus is patched to not have an unmount option at all for ltsp devices, as sutula said, you can just pull them out, what filemanager do you use there to get an unmount option
09:10
<autodita1>
if you open the device, right click in the opened device window -> unmount volume ...
09:11
how does ltsp insurte filesystem consistency of removable devices?
09:11
insure
09:12
make shure the umounted filesystem isn't being corrupted by just pulling the plug?
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09:16
<ogra>
its actually only mounted during rw operations ...
09:16
all the other time its unmounted
09:17
(even though it appears to be mounted ... thats the magic of ltspfs :) )
09:19
(you dont need LOCAL_STORAGE=yes btw sound and localdev are set by default in gutsy)
09:19
(actually you shouldne use lts.conf at all unless you have problems or need to override any autodetection)
09:23
<autodita1>
ah. that's why reading and writing to usb devices is a *aehem* liittle slow, it mounts and unmounts the device when its waiting for data, e.g. a directory listing?
09:23
<jammcq>
no exactly
09:23
it only unmounts after 2 seconds of inactivity
09:23
s/no/not/
09:24
<autodita1>
ah.
09:24
<jammcq>
i'm pretty sure it's 2 seconds
09:24
<ogra>
it is
09:27
<autodita1>
where does ltspfsd log to? can't find any logging info on the client ....
09:29
2 seconds. hmmm. in combination with the more than suboptimal copy time estimation of nautilus this is quite dangerous, don't you think?
09:32
<sutula>
autodita1: It's been working well for me. What do you see as a problem?
09:34
To me, it seems more unsafe to require the user to perform an action before removing it...at least there's more chance of corruption in that model
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09:43
<cdealer__>
hey ... to boot the client with X and Shell I must place SCREEN_07 = startx and SCREEN_03 = shell on lts.conf ??
09:46
<autodita1>
sutula: for example, if i copy 60MB to the sdcard on my mobile, nautilus' progress bar indicates that the copy is finished after 2 secs, i pull the plug of the mobile and the data is corrupt.
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09:47
<ogra>
cdealer__, with ltsp5 it should be ldm instead of startx but yes
09:48
<cdealer__>
AH, ok, this is why the login window was not showing :D
09:48
<sutula>
autodita1: Is there a light on the card? I'd want to wait a few seconds after the light goes out.
09:49
<autodita1>
sutula: no, there isn't.
09:49
<sutula>
Maybe we need a software "light" then
09:50
<ogra>
sutula, no, we need the ltspfs-hal integration, so the apps that are already there can care for it :)
09:50
if your session sees the device actually instead of a mountpoint it can perform info actions on it which are currently not possible
09:51
<cliebow2>
ogra: you dont know of any megaraid issues with gutsy? googling has brught me nopthing..
09:51
<ogra>
we could even have mount/unmount options with that ...
09:51
cliebow2, no megaraid anywhere nar me so no,i havent heard anything
09:51
*near
09:52
<autodita1>
of course, this is a bug of nautilus. but if i'd try to umount the device on a fat client, the kernel would correctly prohibit umounting of volumes that have copy processes going on.
09:52
<cliebow2>
k..my ltsp server runs a day then crashes..with megaraid error..no commands will work except init 6
09:52
input/output error.
09:53* sutula encourages autodita1 to contribute code/patches
09:53
<sutula>
:)
09:53
<autodita1>
sutula: :-)
09:53
<cliebow2>
all the logs look great..
09:53
<autodita1>
sutula: ltspfsd is written in python?
09:54
<ogra>
autodita1, where did you read that fat clients are supported yet ? :)
09:54* sutula doesn't know that...ogra probably does
09:54
<ogra>
its a feature in nautilus (actually a deliberate patch) to not show the mount option :)
09:54
autodita1, its C
09:54
<autodita1>
ogra: you misunderstood. i was just comparing a fat client gnome with removable devices to the current situation with ltsp.
09:54
<ogra>
right and i was saying this isnt supported yet
09:55
:)
09:55
<autodita1>
ah :) i misunderstood. no python interpreter in the chroot?
09:55
<ogra>
if we have properly integrated fat clients that will get announced ;)
09:55
sure
09:55
theer is python
09:55
but we try to cut it down as its slower than C
09:56
so for the speed critical stuff (login manager for example) we take C
09:56
ltspfsd predates ltsp5 we took it over from ltsp 4.x wheer no python was used
09:57
<autodita1>
apropos ldm. whre do i change ldm's default background. takes a while to load an scale on my 1680x1250 display =-O
09:57
<cliebow2>
megaraid abort: 10857:13[255:128], fw owner..anyone care to comment?
09:57
<ogra>
really, works fine on the same size here ....
09:58
<autodita1>
ogra, what kind of thin client hardwar edo you use?
09:58
<ogra>
autodita1, on gutsy replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/bg.png and run sudo ltsp-update-image to change it
09:58
<autodita1>
ogra: thanks.
09:58
<cliebow2>
reboot..
09:58
<ogra>
i use an ltsp term 150 currently ... my favorite thin client :)
09:59
<cliebow2>
mine too..
09:59
<ogra>
sadly jammcq stopped selling them :(
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10:00
<jammcq>
the 170 is still available
10:00
just like the 150 but more powerful
10:00
<ogra>
way more expensive though
10:00
<jammcq>
true
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10:01
<jammcq>
Gadi !!!!!!
10:01
<Gadi>
morning
10:01
<autodita1>
oh. i have e140 neowares lying around, if anyone is interesetd :-)
10:01
<ogra>
jammcq, i have a 170 standing here but still prefer the 150 :)
10:02* ogra likes to listen to music while working and the shielind of the soundcard in the 170 just sucks with german AC power
10:02
<ogra>
*shielding
10:03
<autodita1>
the e140 is very similar to the 170.
10:04
ogra: wich via graphics driver do you use?
10:05
<Gadi>
ogra: got a german question for you: do you set special lts.conf vars for your german keyboard or do you build you client with a german locale?
10:05
<ogra>
Gadi, if you build on a german server you will have a german keyboard
10:05
i usually dont set the layout explicitly
10:06
but we dont set nodeadkeys by default which is something most germans use
10:08
<Gadi>
ogra: I assume Xorg looks at the locale to autoconifg and the locale is set to german when built on a german server, yeah?
10:09
...and what is "nodeadkeys"? is that a xorg conf?
10:21
<autodita1>
has anybody successfully managed to replace ldm with nxclient?
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<autodita1>
another question: i'm not able to unmount any "network-places" that i've created with nautilus - is that a known problem with ltsp5?
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10:35
<cliebow_>
guys: most convenient way to back up a kernel on this gutsy machine..see if the megaraid problem goes away?
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11:41
<laga>
hello. is a ubuntu ltsp developer in here? i'd like to get some changes included and would like to discuss them :) (yes, i have code & patches, not just weird ideas)
11:44
<Q-FUNK>
laga: the best idea to submit patches would be to file a wishlist bug on launchpad and attach your patches
11:44
one wishlist bug per improvement
11:45
then give it a couple of days until we have time to look at it
11:47
<laga>
thanks, that sounds good. was hoping i could get some advice on implementation but launchpad works as well :)
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
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<wdg>
LIST
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<stillflame>
should i be worried that my diskless terminals complain of an 'invalid hostname' during bootup, and have it displayed as '(none)' on the commandline.
17:42
<sutula>
stillflame: You can get dns/hostnames working on the client if you care to
17:46* sutula would stay around to help, but has to leave...sorry
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<lns_>
Maybe I've just been out of the loop - did XRAMPERC get pushed into LTSP5 (no manual intervention necessary after install) ? I was just testing firefox and Jim K's school art site (before doing anything with XRAMPERC at all) and firefox is crashing out (without locking up the X session) .. ?
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<lns_>
ok nm, openoffice is still having the X lockup issue..but i wonder if firefox2 got an internal fix..
18:24
<stillflame>
as long as it isn't hurting anything, i don't really need hostnames.
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<laga>
hey rjune_ ;) i doubt you remember me, but i think you were the guy who helped me building mythtv in LBE ;)
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<rjune_>
laga: yup, taht was me
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