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Channel log from 24 February 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
Good morning. Would anyone mind if I put a "nice" in front of the mksquashfs call in ltsp-update-image? Building 10Gb images takes a lot of time, and the server is almost unusable while compressing (without nice)...
00:23
<johnny>
10GB ?
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<alkisg>
johnny: fat clients...
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But I can't think of any reason for not putting `nice` there
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<johnny>
seems kinda large for a fat client? what do you fill in 10G?
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<alkisg>
A lot of edu* apps
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<bassie>
hi all, i got a hardware/kernel problem running ltsp on ubuntu 9.04. I would like to replace the kernel and have upgraded/downgraded it but the client keeps having troubles
02:48
i followed a couple of how to's including https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot to no luck
02:49
when the client boots i get thrown into initram fs. The first error i see is: mounting /dev/nbd0 on rofs failed. no such device
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and then some more mounting errors
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<alkisg>
bassie: put a break=mount in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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Or just try running manually nbd-client from the initramfs prompt
03:15
To see if the nbd image is available..
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<alkisg>
nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
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<bassie>
i get an error that the network is unreachable...
03:34
nbd-client 10.0.2.1 2000 /dev/nbd0
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ifconfig doesn't show any adapters
03:35
pcnet32 module is loaded
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<alkisg>
bassie: what NIC do you have?
03:42
<bassie>
pcnet32
03:42
<alkisg>
(the client)
03:42
<bassie>
virtualbox
03:42
<alkisg>
Is that vbox? Weird...
03:42
<bassie>
i'll swap it for another
03:42
<alkisg>
The module should be there, I was using vbox while I had jaunty with no problems
03:43
<bassie>
well it works, until i change the kernel
03:43
<alkisg>
So if you put the old kernel back, it works?
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<bassie>
hold on i'll change the symbolic link
03:47
switched kernel but didn't change nbd link.
03:47
modified vmlinuz and initrd link
03:47
NOT nbi.img and it works
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<alkisg>
OK, then it is a kernel problem with the pcnet32 module?
03:52
<bassie>
well it loads without a problem
03:53
i tried it with kernel 2.6.17 and kernel 2.6.19
03:53
2.6.18 works fine
03:53
but then my sound has hickups
03:57
does ltsp use a default kernel, or a special kernel?
03:57
i took a deb package as kernel, never compiled it by hand
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<alkisg>
A special kernel
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<bassie>
so i have to compile it by hand?
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<alkisg>
No
03:59
You can install the .deb package in the chroot
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<bassie>
so i chroot, mount /proc
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<alkisg>
The hooks in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks (and scripts) will put the ltsp magic in the initramfs image
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<bassie>
dpkg -i kernel package
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exit chroot and umount /proc
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and ltsp-build-kernel and update image
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<bassie>
ok hold on, my server is also using a pcnet adapter, gonna switch kernel there
04:16
installed the same kernel on my vbox server with the same adapter and that works fine
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<frin_>
hello, what would be the main cause for "issuing reset" freeze in ltsp 5.3?
05:23
<ogra>
come again later and ask that once 5.3 was written ? :)
05:23
its hard to debug code that doesnt exist :)
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<markit>
hi, I've kubuntu karmic. With ltsp-build-client --arch i386 I got /var/lib/tftpboot and /opt/ltsp/i386 created, but with ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist lucid I've only the latter
06:45
has changed something or is that distr broken?
06:45* ogra doubts the --dist argument was every tested for forward compatibility
06:46
<ogra>
*ever
06:46
beyond being tested at all within the last 3 years
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<markit>
ogra: I've been fascinated by the statement that clients boot in 10 seconds in Lucid... but I can't upgrade my karmic yet
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<markit>
ogra: oh, do you mean it's been tested if you specify an OLDER release, but not a newer?
06:47
the fun part is that does not create the dir, nor writes an error message
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<ogra>
i dont know if anyone every tested it after we did the initial implementation, i know it hasnt been touched for years
06:48
but i guess given that stgraber provides backport packages for karmic it has to work somehow, now that i think of it
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<ogra>
though it might be that the backport packages just do the right thing :)
06:49
without having to specify --dist
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<markit>
mkdir -p /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 ; ltsp-update-kernels did the trick
06:54
so seems just that there is a small bug in the automatic process
06:55
I've to disconnect to connect to the thin client "private local lan for test without having dhcp conflict with the one of my office" :)
06:55
thanks a lot, see you later
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<beaver>
www.search2.net
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<markit>
hi, I've used the karmic release for clients (same as "host"), I've the ubuntu login screen, I enter the username and password, I can see the KDE4 splash and then the screen becomes black and then I return to the "ubuntu" login screen :(
07:14
<ogra>
check ~/.xsession-errors
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<alkisg>
markit: try SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf to get a local terminal, switch to vt2 and try `ssh user@server` from there.
07:15
Ah sorry you do see the KDE splash, nm
07:15
ogra's right
07:15
<ogra>
alkisg, he is seeing the splash :)
07:16
<markit>
mmm may I pastebin it to you? is a bit too much for my brain :)
07:18
<alkisg>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
07:18
<markit>
console buffer cuts the output, but you probably have the log of 2-3 tries I did
07:18
http://pastebin.ca/1808086
07:19
<alkisg>
markit: is that for the user that tried to login?
07:20
<markit>
yes, I've created a new user, and login as "paola" the new user (my wife's name)
07:20
then I tried with my own login (logout from this pc, login from thin client) but had the same result
07:23
<alkisg>
So why would a new user have a lot of kwrite/kate warnings, if he never opened kwrite? :O
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<markit>
alkisg: I've no idea, I can provide you the one of my own user
07:25
(I thought that the one of the brand new user would have been smaller)
07:25
hold on
07:25
oh, my foult, lol
07:25
I as in the right dir
07:25
but did a cat with ~
07:25
so is my user :)
07:25
<alkisg>
;)
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<markit>
http://pastebin.ca/1808093
07:27
probably is full of "create the new desktop environment" of kde
07:29
from line 425 seems interesting
07:29
<alkisg>
markit: are you using localapps?
07:30* ogra thinks its 723 - 729
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<AndyGraybeal>
what kind of thin clients are you guys running and what do you recommend for a newb to play with? spending $300 per client is fine.
07:30
<markit>
alkisg: I don't think so, is a brand new ltsp installation without having touched anything of the lts.conf or similar
07:30
<ogra>
ah, thats two login attempts actually
07:31
419-425 are the same error
07:31
<markit>
ogra: correct
07:31
<ogra>
so kwin tries to use composite it seems and makes your xserver crash
07:32
<markit>
mmm seems coposite is creating a lot of troubles in general with "remote" connections :(
07:33
<ogra>
depends on your graphics card and drivers ...
07:33
VIA is definately creating a lot of problems for displays in general :)
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<markit>
btw, kde seems not to have composite effects enables here
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<markit>
is there a way to tell the thn client not to use composite? or to work in a better compatibility mode for video? or whatever can make me log in the desktop :)
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<markit>
ogra: seems he has the same problem I have: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1046485.html
07:43
but no solution in that post
07:43
<anivair>
can someone glance at this solution to getting dhcp3 to run at boot time to see if it's a terrible idea? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1258957
07:44
<markit>
(i refer to the last post )
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<anivair>
looks okay to me, but I don't want ot futz with the server too much
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<markit>
anivair: btw, I'm using dnsmasq that can act as a dhcp server + tftp server, is a wonderful piece of software for "simple" needs
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<ogra>
anivair, dont ever touch /etc/default/dhcp3-server unless you know exactly what you are doing
07:48
the file access rights on dhcpd.conf are intresting though
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<ogra>
anivair, so try to chown the file to dhcpd and see if it starts on boot then
07:49
if thats really the case thats a massive bug
07:49
<anivair>
yeah, it seems like that would be way easy to fix and can't do much harm
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<ogra>
which would be intresting since nobody filed it
07:49
<anivair>
yeah, I can't imagine nobody's filed it
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and I've never seen that happen before
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<ogra>
was the machine upgraded or is it been a fresh install ?
07:50
<anivair>
honestly, I wish I remembered what I did to turn it off. My history file has been flooded with pushing twinkle profiles out, so it's pretty much vanished, sadly
07:50
it was a fresh install
07:50
64 bit 9.10
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(honestly, that's all I could get to run on it. I had hardware compatibility issues before that point because some of my hardware had just come out for commercial use ... this is why I usually put together my own machines and never order them from vendors)
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<markit>
ok, I'll try with a different hardware. But recently I have a lot of problems with ltsp and find a working thin client. I'm scared a lot
07:55
see you , thanks a lot for the help :)
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<mgariepy>
morning all
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<bassie>
still having problems changing an ltsp kernel
08:05
the moment i change the kernel i get mount errors
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<AndyGraybeal>
the latest fedora ltsp version includes fedora 10 as the OS -- fedora 10 isn't supported any longer correct? i'm looking at this webpage: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer
08:18
would it be best to install fedora12 and then LTSP on top of that manually?
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<johnny>
AndyGraybeal, probably
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<anivair>
bassie: are you running an image update and/or update-kernels after you make changes?
08:28
<bassie>
updated kernels
08:28
<anivair>
usually, anytime I have to make any changes to the kernel, I need to run ltsp-update-image, ltsp-update-kernels, and reboot before anything takes effect properly.
08:28
<bassie>
did both
08:32
downloaded a debian kernel image, chrooted to the server, mounted proc and installed the kernel with dpkg
08:32
after that i did ltsp-update-image, ltsp-update kernels
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reboot client and if fails
08:32
if i adjust the symbolic links back to the original kernel everything works
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<AndyGraybeal>
johnny: thank you
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<johnny>
we have no fedora support AndyGraybeal
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as in.. there are no people here who really understand fedora's ltsp
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so you're kinda on your own except for what is super generic because of ltsp
08:35
<AndyGraybeal>
okay thank you
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<johnny>
i use fedora.. but not with ltsp
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<AndyGraybeal>
what do you use LTSP on top of?
08:35
<johnny>
ubuntu
08:36
i did develop the gentoo ltsp support
08:36
but idon't even use that anymore
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<AndyGraybeal>
are most people here more familiar with ubuntu?
08:36
<johnny>
yes
08:36
debian has a good showing as well
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but you might as well try to give it a shot
08:36
if you are already very familiar
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<johnny>
if anything is just an ltsp specific problem ,we can definitely help with that
08:37
<AndyGraybeal>
okay, i'm not sure what to consider yet.
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<AndyGraybeal>
if most people use ubuntu and ltsp, i'm gonna go with ubuntu. i have ubuntu 8.10 installed right now, is there anything i should be aware of if it install it right on top of 8.10?
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<johnny>
uhm.. couldn't tell you..i haven't used that version in a long time
08:39
it's almost uhm.. how old now?
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<AndyGraybeal>
okay, that's fine - thank you
08:40
<johnny>
otherpeople could
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<AndyGraybeal>
i know it's a little old, but i don't want to reinstall i guess.
08:43
since i'm very new to this - can anyone recommend thin client hardware?
08:43
<anivair>
yup
08:44
check out www.disklessworkstations.com
08:44
<AndyGraybeal>
okay, awesome. that's what i've been looking at.
08:44
<anivair>
I'm using a lot of their low end model on the floor here in my office and they work swell
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<AndyGraybeal>
do you guys use those machines?
08:44
okay awesome thank you.
08:44
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<anivair>
(though for testing, feel free to just use a few old computers so you don't need to commit cash to the project yet)
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<Gadi>
AndyGraybeal: if you are going to use ubuntu, you should check out the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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<anivair>
I use those machines exclusively, actually. Just make sure you get the pxe boot mahcines
08:44
<Gadi>
it often has good tips
08:44
<AndyGraybeal>
Gadi: tahnk you so much.
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<AndyGraybeal>
anivar, thank you
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<Gadi>
AndyGraybeal: btw, for the future once you get hooked on LTSP, make a mental note that the application server you connect to need not be your ltsp server - it can be any distro that runs ssh
08:46
so, if you like Fedora12, you can boot with ubuntu and login to fedora12
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<AndyGraybeal>
gadi, thank you for explaining that, it amkes more sense. i'm still in the semi-confused state.
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<Gadi>
hehe - dont worry about it. LTSP is so flexible that it often strains the brain when you first get into it
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<AndyGraybeal>
on the disklessworkstation site, what is the difference between the LTSP and DLW terms?
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<mordocai>
Hello, I ran into a problem and was wondering if anyone has ran into it, and fixed it, before. I have LTSP set up with LDAP authentication, and gnome desktop. I have a problem with part of LDAP, that fedora doesn't seem willing to help with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476784. Basically, I have a LOT of users(42000 and growing) and don't want to make all their home directories manually or with a script, but they can'
08:53
<johnny>
that's cuz f10 is EOL for one..
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<mordocai>
Oh, well the issue is still in f12
08:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: Hello Andy. The difference between LTSP and DLW terms on our web site are: DLW terms come with embedded images of either Windows or Linux on compact flash memory installed on the clients. If you are looking at LTSP term units, they come with no installed storage, and are specifically meant for PXE or Etherboot/gPxe via a local network from an LTSP server.
08:58
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: ah thank you; wow your nick brings back interesting memories from years back on EFNet :)
08:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
It's quite possible that I'm the same individual. For the record, my nick is derived from an old Quake Team Fortress league when I was 14. I just stuck with it.
08:59
<AndyGraybeal>
:)
09:00
what is the difference between the PXE boot and the Etherboot/gPXE ?
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<anivair>
it has to do with the way the machine accesses it's kernel.
09:07
I believe that in theory gPXE will do everything a pxeboot loader will do, but a) I have no experience with it and b) I don't know if ltsp is coded for it
09:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: The difference is PXE is a proprietary licensed network boot protocol, and etherboot/gpxe is open source. Their functionality is the same, but I would recommend that you try out PXE if you were to test it out.
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<alkisg>
As long as it boots it doesn't matter which one of them you use. gPXE has some great capabilities though, e.g. it can even boot from http.
09:12
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: thank you for the response; what is wrong with trying out etherboot/gpxe first? are there some pitfalls or stumbling blocks for someone new to this?
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<jammcq>
bom dia
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<alkisg>
Καλησπέρα :)
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<anivair>
nothing is wrong with it, but more people have experience with pxe. so if you're going ot buy one, you might as well buy one that people will know 100% of for help
09:14
<AndyGraybeal>
okay, thank you anivair
09:14
<anivair>
just my point of view
09:14
bear in mind that I would probably not follow my own advice, there
09:14* alkisg prefers gPXE over to any other PXE implementation
09:16
<AndyGraybeal>
:)
09:16
okay so... i'm gonna get gPXE, it's open and that's what i'm trying to be a part of.
09:17
now as far as memory for the LTSP Term 1225; upgrading to 1GB isn't that much money, is it worth the amount of money?
09:17
says it's only $16 to upgrade to 1gb from 256mb
09:17
<jammcq>
AndyGraybeal: if you are considering running local apps, it's worth the money
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<anivair>
that is probably worth it, since a lot of apps are being run locally as of late
09:18
<AndyGraybeal>
okay, now to run an application locally -- do i need local storage?
09:18
<johnny>
no
09:18
just local apps
09:19
<anivair>
nope. just install it to the ltsp image and run local apps (I'd come back here once you get it running for advice on setting that up. This is where I found out how to do it)
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<AndyGraybeal>
okay thank you, this is all very interesting.
09:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: If you choose to go with etherboot/gpxe, you will need to make some configuration changes on your LTSP server in order to get gpxe working properly. Presently my testing with the standard nbi kernel for etherboot/gpxe in Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 Alpha are causing some issues. Both options are viable, but for simplicity for a new user, I would recommend PXE at the moment. For more information about Etherboot, you can check out their wiki page: ht
09:19
tp://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
09:20
d'oh. truncated message. AndyGraybeal:: here's that wiki link -- http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
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<mordocai>
Is there a "best guide" somewhere on how to set up localapps? I would like X/GNOME and Firefox with flash/java/<any other popular plugins to allow content> to run locally.
09:22
<johnny>
if you want that.. it's not local apps.. it's a fat client
09:22
if you just want firefox + flash + java you an do it with local apps
09:22
but if you want gnome.. you would have to do fat client setup
09:22
not sure how well it would work with all taht tho
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<johnny>
alkisg, do you use a full gnome environment for your fatclients?
09:23
<alkisg>
johnny: yup
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<johnny>
mordocai, so yes.. if you want full gnome.. you must use a fat client imo
09:23
gnome locally that is..
09:23
and how much ram do they have again?
09:24
<mordocai>
Hmm... well, all the pcs we are going to use are currently running Windows XP fine, so they should have plenty of power. Where can I find a guide to set up fat clients?
09:24
<johnny>
it's just a command line option to ltsp-build-client.. but you need a new enough version of ltsp
09:24
alkisg, would the ppa be recommended?
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09:24* alkisg looks...
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<alkisg>
Here's a how to I wrote yesterday for fat clients. Covers Karmic + Lucid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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2 persons said it works OK in Karmic, and more in Lucid.
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<mordocai>
5.1.95 new enough? It's what is in the fedora 12 repos, so what i'm currently using. And i'll take a look, i'll have to convert the instructions to fedora though.
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<AndyGraybeal>
thank you _UsUrPeR_
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<bassie>
alkisg remember my problem?
09:27
<alkisg>
mordocai: for fat clients? I don't think fedora has fat client support yet.
09:27
It's ubuntu specific for now - it might also run in debian
09:27
<mordocai>
Okay, well I can wait. I mainly just want firefox local anyway... the way flash eats up CPU is scary.
09:27
<johnny>
alkisg, and that's why we need an abstraction..
09:27
truly it is..
09:28
<alkisg>
bassie: nope, do remind me...
09:28
<bassie>
mounting problem during boot
09:28
<alkisg>
johnny: sure, I agree that dpkg/apt-get etc should be abstracted. But I don't think we're ready for it
09:28
<bassie>
i've narrowed it down to the problem but have no idea how to fix it
09:28
<alkisg>
bassie: ah, the nbd-client/kernel issue? Didn't you solve that with another kernel?
09:28
<bassie>
i'm breaking boot when mount starts.
09:28
manually set an ip address
09:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: No problem. CAN-o-SPAM or myself can answer any questions you have about our units.
09:29
<bassie>
mount nbd0 with nbdclient
09:29
and then it fails
09:29
<mordocai>
johnny: So, do you have a guide to reccommend for getting local apps ready for fedora? I can do just firefox for now. I have the server terminal up now, so if you need to walk me through it i'm ready.
09:29
<johnny>
you should just be able to isntall it locally via rpm
09:29
and then add the proper local apps lts.conf options
09:29
the relevant part in the ubuntu wiki should be enough
09:29
i don't recall the page, but i bet alkisg does
09:29
<bassie>
so nbd-client works, but mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs fails
09:30
<alkisg>
!localapps
09:30
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "localapps" :: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
09:30
<bassie>
if i cat /dev/nbd0 i get a lot of output, so that works
09:30
<alkisg>
That might be it, but I've never tried it.
09:30
bassie: how does it fail? any error messages?
09:30
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: awesome :)
09:30
<bassie>
hold on...
09:31
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: is the power supply in the middle of the cable, or at the end of the cable (wallwart style) ?
09:32
on the 1225 model
09:32
<mordocai>
johnny: Okay, i'll try setting it up. Doesn't look too difficult. How can I make sure it's working correctly? I currently just have one client for testing purposes, and i'd prefer not to put them all up and find out it's not working :P
09:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: The 1225 has a power unit akin to that of a laptop in the middle of the cable.
09:32
<bassie>
alkisg: no such device
09:33
<AndyGraybeal>
nice
09:33
<johnny>
mordocai, put the specific lts.conf options under the [mac]
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<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: that power supply style is the same for the Term 122x and Term 142x models. On the Term 152x model, the power supply is integrated.
09:34
<mordocai>
Hmmm... i see one problem real quick with the localapps guide. When locking down gnome, I have completely removed the gnome menu and made custom .desktop files for firefox and logout. Will i need to change the one for firefox in order for it to run as a localapp? All i did was have the command 'firefox'.
09:36
<alkisg>
mordocai: no, with LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True the local firefox will be put in the menus automatically
09:36
<mordocai>
alkisg: Well, like i said, the menu is completely disabled on my clients.
09:36
<alkisg>
bassie: and nbd-client succeeded? is the nbd mod loaded?
09:36
<zirconiumks>
hey guys, while starting kiwi-ltsp I am getting this error - "Starting KIWI-LTSP with AOE(kla) failed" ...
09:37
<bassie>
alkisg nbd-client gave no error
09:37
<zirconiumks>
I have built a fat client image myself
09:37
<Gadi>
mordocai: use: ltsp-localapps firefox
09:37
<alkisg>
mordocai: ah, you mean the whole gnome menu? Sorry I didn't get that. Yeah, you need to change it to "ltsp-localapps firefox"
09:37
<bassie>
alkisg: to test i did a cat of /dev/nbd0 and got a LOT on my screen
09:37
<zirconiumks>
any tips on how I investigate this further ?
09:37
<mordocai>
alkisg: Okay, awesome.
09:37
<ogra>
zirconiumks, you might have more luck in #kiwi-ltsp
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09:39
<zirconiumks>
ogra: I tried but in vain ...
09:39
<alkisg>
bassie: sorry, no clue, I don't know why mount would say "unknown device" if /dev/nbd0 is there.
09:39
<bassie>
alkisg any idea where i can get help?
09:39
<zirconiumks>
ogra: has aoe been implemented in ltsp ?
09:40
<ogra>
probably in kiwi
09:40
<alkisg>
bassie: here is the right place, I'm just not the right person for device problems :)
09:40
<zirconiumks>
#kiwi
09:40
sry
09:40
<alkisg>
bassie: you might also try the mailing list.
09:40
<ogra>
kiwi is very special, while it uses ltsp under the hood it has all sorts of custom stuff wrapped around it ...
09:41
<bassie>
alkisg: thx for the help
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<thunsucker>
zirconiumks: did you follow a guide?
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09:44
<zirconiumks>
thunsucker: yes followed this one ... http://bit.ly/cHggGd
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09:45
<thunsucker>
zirconiumks: you have : easy-kiwi-desc-netfat installed?
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09:47
<zirconiumks>
yes i have installed easy-kiwi-desc-netfat as well as aoetools,vblade and cec installed
09:47
^ thunsucker
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<AndyGraybeal>
there shouldn't be any issues with touchscreens right? they just act like a regular monitor and mouse?
09:49
<thunsucker>
zirconiumks: sorry I just don't know enough about it. one thing I do with ubuntu is to make sure I always fully update my server and my chroot before i try to boot
09:49
<sbalneav>
AndyGraybeal: Touchscreens require a lot of setup and fiddling, but once they're going, they work.
09:50
<zirconiumks>
thunsucker: thanks ... neways
09:50
<AndyGraybeal>
sbalneav: elo has great drivers for ubuntu 8.04 and it's pretty easy to get to work :)
09:50
<zirconiumks>
Gadi : any idea on the problem I have described ?
09:51
Gadi : I am working with cyberorg but he'll be unavailable for somedays
09:52* Gadi wakes up
09:52
<zirconiumks>
Gadi : u think you can help ?
09:52
<sbalneav>
zirconiumks: cyberorg is the only expert here on SuSE and kiwi
09:52
He'd likely be your only resource here for that.
09:52* zirconiumks Thanks god for Gadi waking up !
09:52
<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:53
<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq!!!!!!!
09:53
<zirconiumks>
sbalneav : nobody else ?
09:53
<Gadi>
whoa - kiwi-ltsp, aoe, vblade, cec... these are not in my vocabulary
09:53
:(
09:53
zirconiumks: nobody home at #kiwi-ltsp?
09:54
<zirconiumks>
Gadi : nah ... trying since long ...
09:54
<sbalneav>
zirconiumks: Nope.
09:54
<Gadi>
see, this is where kiwi's diversion from upstream LTSP bites users in the arse
09:54
<jammcq>
but Gadi, you are the guy that knows everything
09:54
<Gadi>
nah - thats the guy behind me
09:54
:)
09:55* jammcq wonders if Gadi is gonna make it to BTS this year
09:55
<Gadi>
jammcq: you still hang out here?
09:55* zirconiumks agrees with Gadi ... butt still paining
09:55
<Gadi>
:P
09:55
<jammcq>
I pop in occasionally
09:55
just to check up on things
09:55
<Gadi>
we already planning BTS?
09:55
there's still snow on the ground
09:55
<jammcq>
Gadi: we started planning last october :)
09:55
<Gadi>
hehe
09:55
well, no plans for babies this year
09:56
so, should be clear for take-off
09:56
<jammcq>
heh, not that you know of
09:58
<AndyGraybeal>
i have two network ports, one is bridged because i run kvm/libvirt, the virtual machines are testing servers for now but eventually will be full blown servers. their addresses are 192.168.2.200-210; 200 being the real physical server. the second network port eth1 is free, what network address should i assign it? how does the terminal network talk to the virtual machines?
10:02
this is the correct command to install this: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone ?
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10:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: Any non-conflicting internal network scheme will work. 192.168.xxx.xxx or 10.xxx.xxx.xxx
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10:08
<anivair>
here's an odd one:
10:08
I upgraded our server and moved all the old logins
10:08
but one of them can't log in. hte login and password are fine, but gnome won't load
10:09
I get an error as follows: Unable to open X display localhost
10:09
I thought it might be because it's an old login, so I got rid of the (now defunct) .gnome directory
10:09
but that did not change anything
10:09
<alkisg>
Are *new* users able to login?
10:09
<anivair>
I'm hoping not to have to recreate his login, but that is an option
10:10
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: okay, that's what i imagined. how will the network on 10.0.0.x talk to the network on 192.168.2.x ?
10:10
<anivair>
yeah, everyone but him, but he does have one of the oldest (and therefore most ported) logins
10:10
<mordocai>
anivair: If you are using a distro with selinux, might try a restorecon. That fixed a similar issue on my fedora ltsp.
10:11
<anivair>
I have never even heard of that. is that a program?
10:12
<mordocai>
anivair: yeah, it's a security system. If you haven't heard of it, you probably don't have it.... it gets in the way rather a lot. Helps with security a lot though.
10:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: that will require some changes made to your server's sysctl (net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1) and iptables (iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE)
10:12
<anivair>
hrm
10:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
that will bridge your eth1 and eth0 cards on the ltsp server in question, allowing network traffic to flow between them.
10:13
<alkisg>
anivair: try temporarily moving .gconf and .local out of the way
10:13
<AndyGraybeal>
thank yuo _UsUrPeR_
10:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: bear in mind that at that point, your clients will be in a NAT environment. To the outside world, all clients http requests will appear to be coming from the same external IP address.
10:13
<mordocai>
anivair: But in a similar vain, maybe chown -R <username> /home/<username> and then also check the permissions? usually need to be 775, though i'm not sure if that's true for everything in the home directories. Just some things that have caused problems for me in the past...
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10:14
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: *nods* thank yo for the heads up.
10:16
so.. i'll have a nat within a nat.. if i'm thinking about this correctly, which i've heard isn't a good situation; is this correct? (my original nat is on the firewall, which my server connects too)
10:17
<anivair>
moved gconf and local. no dice. though it does show that gconf was recreated and local was not
10:17
so at least that tells me where it's halting
10:17
just not sure what falls between those
10:18
<mgariepy>
hi,
10:21
i have a comment, about documentation, i'm wondering how good it would be to have an "update when" for each attributes, if a attribute need only X restart or need a reboot.. etc..
10:21
what do you guys think about this ?
10:22
<mordocai>
So, i was chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386 and a command hung, so i had to close it forcefully. Now, when i try to umount /proc, it reports it is being used even though it is not.(checked fuser). Is there a way to fix this?
10:23
<anivair>
huh .... making a new login doesn't seem to have worked either
10:23
what is that?
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10:27
<alkisg>
!compiz
10:27
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: In the words of one of the most famous LTSP devs, The greatest pleasure compiz can give you is: `sudo apt-get purge compiz`. And if it gets back on the next update, you just get the joy of doing it once more.
10:27
<alkisg>
Hmm no not that one...
10:28
anivair: try this on the server: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
10:29
!forget compiz
10:29
<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
10:30
<alkisg>
!learn compiz as if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
10:30
<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
10:34
<anivair>
er ... what does that do, exactly? Just making sure that metacity is set up right?
10:34
sidebar: it seems that most users cannot log in, but only at that one thin client
10:35
which made me wonder if it was the thin client itself, but another user who has the same make of thin client can log in there
10:35
so I'm thinking that it might somehow be the type of client, but I can't see how that's possible
10:36
oddly, the main difference right off the bat betwen the two logins seems to be some really messed up ownership of .gvfs
10:37
"d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs" that's my ls -Al output for that line
10:37
I can't see how that could be HELPFUL
10:37
in either case, it's bombing out before it creates a .local file
10:38
(nor can i seem to get into his gvfs with root permissions
10:38
very odd
10:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: the nat within a nat assumption is correct. This can present some problems if you have conflicting IP address assignments via DHCP, but aside from that, there is no inherent issues with having a NAT'd NAT.
10:39
<alkisg>
anivair: that disables compiz, which is enabled by default. Compiz problems have the exact same symptoms you describe. It might or it might not be your case, but it doesn't hurt to try the command above.
10:40
<anivair>
will it disable compiz for everyone?
10:40
<alkisg>
anivair: another way to try is to login in some other TC, go to the appearance settings, and select "none"
10:40
Then, logout from the other TC, and login on the problematic TC with the same user.
10:40
<anivair>
I will try the command bove, but will that screw up anyone else's login?
10:41
<alkisg>
anivair: it will disable compiz for everyone. To reenable it, you would just delete that gconf setting.
10:41
The second method affects only one user. You may want to try that one instead.
10:41
<mordocai>
So i just followed the guide and configured firefox to be local, and it is taking approximately 23 seconds to load. Is this normal? The machine is not a true thin client, it has a dual-core processor and 1 GB of ram.
10:42
To be more precise: I right click the icon and click open, and about 23 seconds later i see the window.
10:44
<anivair>
bah: his effects are already set to none
10:44
I don't think anyone is using compiz
10:44
they shouldn't be.
10:44
anyway
10:44
<alkisg>
anivair: "nothing selected" is *different* than "none selected"
10:44
The default is "nothing selected", which has problems on some TCs.
10:44
If it was "none selected", then ok, compiz is not your problem.
10:44
<anivair>
None is what he has selected
10:44
<alkisg>
OK
10:45
<anivair>
the only options are none, normal, and extra
10:45
<alkisg>
For new users, nothing of the above is selected
10:45
<anivair>
hr
10:45
hrm, even
10:45
odd
10:45
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: okay thank you for the response.
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10:50
<mordocai>
Okay, sorry. It was taking so long because i had not yet set up NAT, and it was confused i think.
10:50
<anivair>
ha!
10:50
fixed
10:50
sort of
10:50
I tried to enable effects on the server and it failed.
10:50
and then I canceled out and the filesystem set the effects directory to the same screwed up permissions that the others had
10:51
which means a) he can log in now and b) those other two people trid to enable effects after I told them not to!
10:51
yay for science!
10:53
<alkisg>
Somebody should start filing bugs on compiz, though, this happens too often nowadays :-/
10:55
<anivair>
no joke
10:56
i really dislike compiz, actually, and i see no benefit to using it by default in many installs
10:56
esspecially for ltsp
10:56
can we maybe undo that?
10:57
<mordocai>
Only thing I use compiz for is to show windows fanboys that linux can do better "pretty stuff" than windows can.
10:57
Though, as I always point out, it's not usually by default.
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11:00
<anivair>
since scott just jumped back in, maybe he k nows. Is there a way to get around thin clients grabbing compiz by default? Is that even desirable?
11:00
I know that the ones I use could never run effects even if i wanted them to
11:00
<mordocai>
sbalneav: By the way, i ended up figuring out that in my case it's much easier for me to just add two .desktop files to /etc/skel and do lockdowns using gconf-editor.
11:10
Anyone know if it is possible to remove the "Change Desktop Background" option from the right click menu of GNOME? I got it where they can't actually change it, but I know i'm going to get tons of calls about not being able to change it, if that option is there.
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<mordocai>
Asked around ##gnome, and nope... can't remove the option. Added a feature request.
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<sbalneav>
mordocai: yeah, if you understand gconf, doing it that way is plenty simple. Sabayon's really an "end user" tool for people who don't want to/don't have time to learn the ins and outs of gconf.
11:37
<mordocai>
sbalneav: Yeah, i really like sabayon, but for some reason it just wasn't working for me here. I tried it at home with a few small test cases, and it worked fine. So our setup is just wierd at work.
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12:02
<AndyGraybeal>
what is the difference betwen ubuntu's packages 'ltsp-server' and 'ltsp-server-standalone' ?
12:05
<ogra>
AndyGraybeal, the package description will tell you
12:07
<AndyGraybeal>
thank you ogra
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12:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
Can anybody point me towards a list of preseeding options? I'm trying to figure out how to assign a hostname for the newly-installed server. It defaults to unassigned-hostname
13:01
<sbalneav>
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+preseeding+hostname
13:01
First one
13:01
:)
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13:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
fuuuuuuuuu I was using ubuntu :)
13:02
thx mr. Balneav
13:02
<sbalneav>
:)
13:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
waitaminute, I have already read through that! There's nothing in there for assigning a hostname to the server. The hostnames detailed in there are specifically for DHCP.
13:03
<sbalneav>
http://www.hps.com/~tpg/notebook/autoinstall.php
13:03
or that
13:04
http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/04/17/unattended-debian-installations-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-preseedcfg/
13:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, vry nice. the blog is useful
13:14
<CAN-o-SPAM>
!s
13:14
<ltspbot>
CAN-o-SPAM: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<_UsUrPeR_>
thx sbalneav. The blog helped a lot.
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<AndyGraybeal>
wow! so i got it to where my laptop gets an IP address on PXE boot!
13:45
:)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
AndyGraybeal: congratulations
13:48
that was easy, huh? :)
13:49
sbalneav: would you mind taking a look at my preseed.cfg? I just did a full install and it's still giving me some issues.
13:49* Lns curses forgetting the --arch flag in ltsp-build-client
13:50
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: If you're not in a rush, sure, got like 50,000 things on the go here
13:50
<alkisg>
Lns: create an /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf - that'll help ;)
13:51
<Lns>
ooooo =)
13:51
thx alkisg
13:51
of course would there be anything against asking the user if they don't specify the flag?
13:51
<alkisg>
ARCH=i386 in there, along with a lot of other parameters (e.g. LATE_PACKAGES)
13:52
<Lns>
or maye requiring the --arch flag for operation possibly?
13:52
I dunno, would shave a lot of time from forgetting it
13:52
<adrienn>
Hello everyone. I've been struggling a little while with sound on my thin clients. After a random time, the sound is not working and it says that no controller can be found. Only rebooting the workstation makes it come back. In the user log I can find the message "alsa-util.c : Error opening PCM device hw:0" around the time it happens. Is anyone having any clue on how to solve this?
13:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: naw, no need for expedience. Here it is. I'm not sure why, but it's still naming the hostname on the server I install on "unassigned-hostname". here's the link: http://pastebin.com/WTDJ81S8
13:53
<AndyGraybeal>
_UsUrPeR_: yea, easy.. now i need to get it to go further than that, i'm docs!
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<Gadi>
well, thats interesting - if your server has 3 NICs, the LTSP installer write "eth1eth2" as the interface name in /etc/network/interfaces
14:59
some scriptie is borked
15:00
<alkisg>
Gadi: there's a bug + a patch for it in launchpad
15:00
stgraber: ^^^
15:01
This and some other packaging bugs would need your attention - some of them have patches
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<adrienn>
Hello, sorry to post again. Hope someone can help : I've been struggling a little while with sound on my thin clients. After a random time, the sound is not working and it says that no controller can be found. Only rebooting the workstation makes it come back. In the user log I can find the message "alsa-util.c : Error opening PCM device hw:0" around the time it happens. Is anyone having any clue on how to solve this?
15:11
<sbalneav>
adrienn: Sounds like pulseaudio's dying on you
15:13
<AndyGraybeal>
okay, i don't know why this happend, but i lost connectivity to my virtual machines (libvirt/kvm) while i was playing with ltsp. when i removed ltsp-server-standalone, ltsp-server, and dhcpd3-server ... things worked fine. can someone help to explain this?
15:14
<Gadi>
stgraber: any plans on changing ubuntu ldm's "bloodspatter" theme?
15:14
;)
15:14
I mean, it works in Jersey....
15:14
<adrienn>
sbalneav : any idea why this behavior?
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<retye>
hi
15:15
<sbalneav>
adrienn: Pulseaudio's been a bit buggy lately. Which OS are you running?
15:15
<retye>
is LTSP quite like PXE boots?
15:16
<adrienn>
Ubuntu 9.04 64 bits
15:16
<sbalneav>
retye: LTSP *uses* pxe or etherboot to boot, yes.
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<retye>
ah
15:16
<sbalneav>
adrienn: It looks as if the upcoming Lucid builds of Pulseaudio seem to work better.
15:17
adrienn: LTSP doesn't write pulseaudio. we simply use it.
15:17
<retye>
sbalneav: yeah NFS mount and stuff rigt?
15:18
<sbalneav>
retye: Normally we use nbd to mount the thin client image, but NFS is certainly an option.
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<sbalneav>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
15:19
<sbalneav>
retye: ^^^
15:19
There's a good explaination of the boot process in the docs.
15:19
<adrienn>
sbalneav: I understand that but I was just wondering why it would work then die whith no apparent reason. Does it happen for anybody then?
15:19
<retye>
alright cool thx
15:19
<pyite>
hi... I'm a pretty active open source developer. I had never heard of LTSP though. I just joined to tell you that I stumbled across your website, and what you guys are working on is pretty freakin cool.
15:19
<sbalneav>
adrienn: bugs in pulseaudio
15:19
<stgraber>
Gadi: we have plans for an edubuntu one, should be uploaded soon
15:20
<sbalneav>
pyite: We just had our 10th anniversary as a Free Software project this ummer
15:20
<pyite>
sbalneav: Well why didn't you invite me? ;)
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<sbalneav>
It was in Brazil :)
15:20
<pyite>
I'm like digging through boxes looking for some ALIX boards and stuff to go try this out - it looks like a heap of fun (or maybe a living hell? we'll find out! :) )
15:21
sbalneav: yeah that's a bit far for me
15:21
sbalneav: do people run the thin clients on ALIX style boards? I saw a photo of one that looks like it's an ALIX board
15:21
<retye>
sbalneav: i was having an issue with the PXE
15:21
<pyite>
sbalneav: I worry about the video quality though
15:21
<adrienn>
sbalneav: that's what I've been looking at but I'm totally lost and I can't find an answer to this bug. I hoped someone here would have come accross this issue already and could send me in the right direction
15:22
<retye>
yo wouldnt happen to have an idea why the damn PXE is getting the BOOTP ip but the image redirection uisnt working would you?
15:23
sbalneav any ideas?
15:24
<sbalneav>
adrienn: Well, the answer to the bug at this point appears to be "looking like it's fixed in Lucid"
15:25
I beleive gadi posted instructions on our mailing list on how to backport lucid's pulse, but I don't have them to hand at the moment
15:25
pyite: I don't know, personally I use via boards myself
15:26
retye: Sounds like your tftp server isn't responding.
15:26
<Gadi>
http://pastebin.com/dvpsyNMZ
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<retye>
sbalneav: alright
15:27
<Gadi>
sbalneav: ^^^
15:27
<pyite>
sbalneav: well thanks regardless
15:27
<retye>
sbalneav: thats what i thought
15:27
<pyite>
i'll go answer my own questions & try to contribute. seems like you're a bit popular, dont need more questions
15:27
heh
15:27
<adrienn>
sbalneav: that would be great. By the way, can you update LTSP to the latest version without updating the whole distribution? Or are all the packages related to LTSP updated to the same version regardless of the Ubuntu version you are using?
15:28
<Gadi>
adrienn: see: http://pastebin.com/dvpsyNMZ
15:28
<sbalneav>
Gadi: Was that to the mailing list as well>
15:28
?
15:28
<Gadi>
yeah
15:29
I copy/pasted
15:29
<sbalneav>
cool
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<sbalneav>
adrienn: stgraber has some updated packages in his ppa
15:29
<Gadi>
thos mountall errors are quite unsightly
15:29* Gadi comments out "console output" ...
15:29
<Gadi>
:P
15:30
<retye>
sbalneav: let me fix the tftp and see , thanks
15:31
<adrienn>
thanks Gadi. However if I build the pulseaudio package on my server (64 bits) will it work when I install it in the chroot (32 bits)?
15:31
<Gadi>
adrienn: hmm... prolly not
15:31
good point
15:32
<adrienn>
sbalneav: thanks I'll have a look at this too
15:32
<Gadi>
well, if you wanted to be wild and crazy, you could follow that procedure in the chroot
15:32
and build it inside the chroot
15:32
(make sure to mount proc in the chroot)
15:32
<adrienn>
Gadi: that's what I was thinking. It should work too
15:32
<Gadi>
yeah
15:32
it should
15:33
just use a working dir in /tmp, so you can blow it away or call ltsp-update-image -e tmp
15:33* Gadi hates wasting space
15:33
<Gadi>
:)
15:34
<adrienn>
Well, sounds like I've got some work to do ;-) Thanks a lot for the help to both of you.
15:35
<AndyGraybeal>
okay, just to mention it - it looks like when i enable my secondary eth, eth1, i can't reach my virtual machines. i need to get this working before i can do ltsp.
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<sbalneav>
AndyGraybeal: Well, that's not an LTSP problem, that's a virtual machine problem :)
15:43
<Gadi>
hey, alkisg - where's ur hand dandy gconftool command to disable compiz?
15:43
!disable-compiz
15:43
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
15:43
<Gadi>
ah, there it is
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<alkisg>
!compiz
15:43
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
15:43
<alkisg>
Meh, we need to ditch one of those
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<AndyGraybeal>
sbalneav: oh i understand, that's what i was trying to say. i'm sorry it wasn't clear.
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<staffencasa>
anyone tried the --kiosk plugin lately? It seems to fail on a new Ubuntu 9.10 installation
16:31
it fails when trying to edit/copy gdm.conf
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<Gadi>
staffencasa: we changed the kiosk plugin in LTSP 5.2 to no longer use gdm
16:35
so, that should be fixed
16:35
:)
16:36
<staffencasa>
ahh, thanks. out of curiosity, what does it use?
16:36
<Gadi>
it simply runs xinit as a user that is created in the chroot called "ltspkiosk"
16:37
there is also a directory structure where you can put a pre-determined homedir and startup files
16:37
<staffencasa>
okay. That helps a ton. I could've been spinning my wheels for a lot longer trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. Thanks again
16:37
<Gadi>
staffencasa: there is also now a "kiosk" screen script
16:38
<staffencasa>
now i'm really interested
16:38
<Gadi>
so, when you use the --kiosk option, you should run SCREEN_07=kiosk
16:38
to make the kiosk mode
16:38
<staffencasa>
in xorg.conf?
16:38
or lts.conf
16:38
<Gadi>
yup
16:39
<staffencasa>
cool. Now I have something new to play with.
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<alkisg>
staffencasa: you can install ltsp 5.2 in karmic from stgraber's ppa
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<staffencasa>
will do, thanks guys
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<alkisg>
I've made an ltsp-build-client plugin to install to the chroot whatever *.deb files are in a directory on the server. It uses gdebi, so it's safer than dpkg. Would that interest anyone, i.e. should it be upstream or should I keep it for personal use? http://paste.ubuntu.com/383291/
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<vagrantc>
ouch. world-writeable / ...
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<lfaraone>
Hi, I want to install nvidia drivers in my LTSP PXE-served chroot, without having DKMS running the module compilation on each run. How can I accomplish that? (I'm on Ubuntu karmic)
21:13
in the past, when I've installed restricted drivers DKMS halts the client boot process while it installs the module each time a client starrts.
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<johnny>
must be a tutorial for that somewhere.. sounds like a common problem lfaraone
21:22
<lfaraone>
johnny: I googled around, just found people having issues with it.
21:23
<johnny>
i avoid purchasing things with proprietary drivers after i realized nvidia obsoletes things in their drvesr as they will..
21:23
well i'm sure somebody here knows.. it's just not a good time
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<johnny>
try posting on ltsp-discuss if you don't feel like coming back in about 12 hours from now to ask again, when more people are likely to be here
21:23
<lfaraone>
johnny: well, I forget whether these boxes in question have ATI or Nvidia drivers, I don't have the boxes in front of me.
21:23
*cards
21:24
johnny: and sadly I don't make the hardware decisions, I'm just a student sysadmin.
21:24
<johnny>
sadly..
21:24
there is experimental nivida 3d support in the open source driver
21:24
and many ati cards have 3d already
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<lfaraone>
well, I'm seeing shoddy 3d performance when I did a test of running neverball on ltsp-localapps.
21:25
yet when these computers local-boot into windows 3d accel works fine, so they must have the hw for it.
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