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Channel log from 11 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<bintut>
anyone here uses ubuntu edgy eft x86/amd as the ltsp server?
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<bintut>
anyone here uses ubuntu edgy eft x86/amd64 as the ltsp server? i can't install ltsp-client here. ubuntu edgy eft has a different ltsp package formats from the usual ltsp packages 3.x to 4.x
02:14
this doesn't have an ltspadmin
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<pani_alex>
have a problem
05:21
my ltsp client boots but don't display anizing, since that is in 1024 and don't suport it
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i have edited the lts.conf and put the mac addres of the client and X_MODE_0 = 800x600 65
05:23
is thise rigth
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?
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what else can i do
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?
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<chupacabra>
is there any good linux point of sale software?
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<patrickb>
help needed with USBkeys....i have them mounting...the icon appears on the screen...but when i open the icon there is no data altho i know there is data on the stick....where am i going wrong?
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<patrickb>
hi Jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey
10:37
<patrickb>
a question for you...if you cannot help who can?
10:37
i have them mounting...the icon appears on the screen...but when i open the icon there is no data altho i know there is data on the stick....where am i going wrong?
10:37
<jammcq>
sounds like a FUSE problem
10:37
what distro?
10:38
<patrickb>
SuSE 10.1
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<jammcq>
hmm, have you been through the troubleshooting document on the wiki?
10:39
<patrickb>
yea...that is how i got as far as i have
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<jammcq>
that should have pinpointed where the problem is
10:45
<patrickb>
step 10 is giving an IP address rather than a host name...that shouldn't make a difference?
10:45
<jammcq>
umm, dunno
10:45
is the workstation listed in /etc/hosts ?
10:45
<patrickb>
yea...
10:45
and in local DNS
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<jammcq>
welp, you prolly need to talk to sbalneav. problem is, he's on a plane right now
10:46
I suggest you go through the steps again, and record your results to each step, and email it to sbalneav@ltsp.org
10:46
that's the best way to give him the info he needs to diagnose the problem
10:48
<patrickb>
ok will do cheers
10:52
<joebaker>
You mentioned /etc/hosts earlier. There is both /etc/hosts on the LTSP server and in the exported home directory of the thin clients as will right?
10:52
<jammcq>
the one on the host server is the important one
10:52
<joebaker>
ok.
10:52
Wow Am I starting to see chatter on the gconfd mailing list.
10:53
<jammcq>
h3h
10:53
err, heh
10:53
<joebaker>
I've been subscribed to it for over a year .
10:54
Hopefully it will evolve to something that works for the LTSP local apps.
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<jammcq>
i've noticed over the past year or so, we're getting some real attention from other projects, like Gnome and KDE and Pulseaudio
10:55
there's a study somewhere that says 36% of all Gnome deployments are on thin clients
10:56
<joebaker>
I hope I didn't sidetrack any other important issues. Oh, one other very important issue I'm seeing is that there doesn't seem to be a tmp directory in my home directory on an edgy based ubuntu system. The Gconfd directory is in /tmp. Although I think this can be changed in /etc/ somewhere.
10:57
<patrickb>
and so you shoudl have the attention....i first looked into LTSP at ver 3...I wanted to deploy it in a local school but wouldn't allow it. it has come along way since then and I am now looking at deplying at home for my kids
10:57
<jammcq>
why would there be a tmp dir in your home dir?
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<joebaker>
I talked to somebody from Mandriva once who moved the gconfd directory to /home/user/tmp/gconfd-user so that it could be shared out over nfs.
11:00
Sharing /tmp over nfs amoung many machines is very wierd.
11:00
I've done it :)
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I don't recommend it.
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<rjune>
jammcq: howdy
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<joebaker>
Hi rjune
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<rjune>
what's new?
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<joebaker>
I managed to participate in the local apps disucssion recently. I mentioned the need for Gconfd to accept communications via TCP
12:01
You did alot of the work on LTSP sound if I recall correctly.
12:03
I'll be walking away from the computer soon. So I apologize if I don't have time to say goodbye.
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<cliebow>
heh: first time trying muekow.ubuntu..right straight to a login screen...it is oversize the cause the lcd is quirky..but pretty awesome just the same
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<jammcq>
hey chuck
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<cliebow>
hi!!!!!!!!!..Very impressive.. ubuntu ltsp.i still have to put a modeline in for this monitor..
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getting ready for hancock county it admins meeting..they want to see what id saw in California
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<cliebow>
i am putting 4.2 alongside muekow on the lappie for demo purposes
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gonna add an ibook in as well
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<sbalneav>
Afternoon all
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<cliebow>
sbalneav: plugged in my muekow install..first time..right to a login!!!
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<cliebow>
sbalneav: got a sec?
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jammcq:X_MODE_0 work ok in muekow?
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guess not
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:stiil in mtv/
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<cliebow>
jammcq:still in mtv?
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<jammcq>
cliebow: hey, got home this morning
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<cliebow>
get some shuteye since then..?i slep most of monday morning after i got home
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is x_mode_0 supported in ubuntus ltsp now?
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<Arithorn>
Hi all, I'm trying to get mplayer to work (with sound) I've got ESD working which gives me system sounds but the movie shtuff is still coming out the server, any ideas?
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<PMantis>
Hey guys!
20:28
What's the name of that high-availability clustering product that was demonstrated at UBZ/BTS last year?
20:29
Right around the same time as the "Happy packet dance". :)
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<cliebow_>
neuralis shwed off? ssi?
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<jammcq>
openssi
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<rjune>
jammcq !
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<jammcq>
hey rjune
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<rjune>
I made it to stage two.
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<cliebow_>
??
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<jammcq>
oh?
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<rjune>
yeah, stage two is Wed.
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<cliebow>
job?
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<rjune>
yeah.
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<cliebow>
Cool!
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<rjune>
only if I get the job.
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<cliebow>
reboot time for This pos
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<PMantis>
Ahhhhhh yes
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<mwright1>
hiya, I'm having a problem with workstations not connecting. They're saying they can't get the NFS root
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kernel panic
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I've got 12 users logged in atm, and would prefer not to reboot the server... any ideas?
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<jammcq>
need more info
20:48
"can't get NFS root", there must be more details than that
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<mwright1>
I'm not onsite so it's a bit hard
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<jammcq>
I'm not either, so it's impossible for me
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<mwright1>
yes I'll see if I can do better. hang about I'll make a phone call, and try a harder form of interrogation.. maybe sleep deprivation will do it
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<rjune>
LOL
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/var/log/messages may have useful info too
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<mwright1>
i'm getting some nasty dbus error messages in /var/log/messages
20:54
hmm can't resolve teh paste webpage
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<jammcq>
yeah, pastebot is broken
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<cliebow>
jammcq:what does it mean if most all python pkgs are held back when upgrade to edgy from breezy?
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<jammcq>
umm, not a clue
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<mwright1>
jammcq: message is something like this (results of my latest attempt on the phone)
20:55
failed to mount the root directory via nfs
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possible reasons include
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1. NFS services may not be running on services
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2. workstation ip does not /etc/hosts or in dns
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3. wrong address for nfs server in the dhcp config
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4. wrong path name for root directory in the dhcp config
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I am sure a reboot would normalise things, however that's not ideal as there are lots of active users atm.
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<jammcq>
mwright1: are you logged into that server?
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<cliebow>
mwright..is hostname to ip clearly defined?
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<mwright1>
I am remoted into that server via ssh
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<jammcq>
ok, run this: showmount -e
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<mwright1>
[root@solar campaign]# /usr/sbin/showmount -e
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Export list for solar.vic.greens.org.au:
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/opt/ltsp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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/opt/ltsp-4.2 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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/var/opt/ltsp-4.2/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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/var ironbark
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/etc ironbark
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/home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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<jammcq>
looks ok to me, assuming your LTSP network is 192.168.0.x
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<mwright1>
yer it is, and the server was ok for a couple of days, has just gone ugly today.. and nothing has changed. Environment has worked nicely for months
20:59
I have selinux in permissive mode atm
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Nov 12 13:49:15 solar dbus: Can't send to audit system: USER_AVC avc: 1 AV entries and 1/512 buckets used, longest chain length 1 : exe="/bin/dbus-daemon" (sauid=514, hostname=?, addr=?, terminal=?)
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is a message I'm getting from the /var/log/messages
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<rjune>
cliebow: my guess is it means you have something that explicity deps on the old version of python
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mwright1: that looks like an selinux error
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<cliebow>
that is what i am getting from the errors as well
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<rjune>
try setenforce 0
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that'll disable it and you can verify that selinux is yoru problem.
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<mwright1>
i did a getenforce , it's already set to permissive
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<rjune>
permissive != off
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<mwright1>
[root@solar campaign]# /usr/sbin/setenforce 0
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[root@solar campaign]# /usr/sbin/getenforce
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Permissive
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<rjune>
maybe I had thecommand wrong hten
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give a sec
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got a crying kid
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<mwright1>
I might go into the office
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I'm interested in finding out how to fix it remotely so if anyone is still around when I get in there I'll pass as much info back as possible
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<rjune>
back
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<PMantis>
Scotty!
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heh
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<sbalneav>
Hello PMantis
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:42
sbalneav: hey, we talked about using the fstab as the format for the x prop. I'm thinking there's not enough info in that format
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<PMantis>
hey, /proc/mdstat output:
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md0 : active raid1 hdc1[1] hda1[2](F)
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104320 blocks [2/1] [_U]
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Obvious failure... but which drive failed?
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<jammcq>
umm
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<PMantis>
hdc is listed first, and the left 'U' is missing.
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<rjune>
but hda1 has F next to it
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is that relevant?
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<PMantis>
But, below... it shows "[2/1]", so does that show the "map" for the UU?
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<jammcq>
I think the whole thing has a (F) next to it
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<rjune>
is my guess
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<PMantis>
Yeah, that was my take. the RAID has failed.
22:03* PMantis goes to look at the console
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<PMantis>
Hmmm
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no clues there.
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but eth2 shows: "Detected Tx Unit Hang"
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...on the console
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weird
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I think a failed
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hda
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# grep -R "DriveReady" *
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anaconda.syslog:<4>hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
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That was ran in /var/log
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Time for an RMA...
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<rjune>
yeah, that does point at hda
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<PMantis>
So perhaps the (F) is referencing the drive, not the MD device
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I gotta replace that! Live data on that machine
22:12
Seagate Barracuda dfive
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<rjune>
heh, so you're saying it's important? :-)
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<PMantis>
heh, yeah
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<PMantis>
Since hdc is the only good drive, how can I be sure that grub is properly installed there?
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...that is, before I reboot this thing to test the drive. heh.
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<jammcq>
before you even think about rebooting it, make sure you copy the data to some other system or media
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<PMantis>
Backuppc has an image of it
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Ahh hdc1 was not bootable
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<rjune>
oops
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<PMantis>
Heh, caught before a reboot, NBD
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Heh, yeah.. this is bad: # fdisk /dev/hda
22:27
Unable to read /dev/hda
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<rjune>
uhm, yup
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<PMantis>
With a bunch of Buffer I/O error messages on the console
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sectors, logical blocks
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Ok, I have a slight dilemma
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I'd like to make a grub boot floppy before I power this off
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But no floppy in the machine... and can't plug one in with it on.
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<rjune>
LOL
22:29
you have a USB key?
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you can make it bootable
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<PMantis>
Can I use dd to make an image?
22:30
Uhm. yeah
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Not blank though
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I could always export a floppy drive over NFS, I guess
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<jammcq>
that won't work
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you can't export a boot sector over nfs
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<PMantis>
Heh, only machine I have with a floppy is the firewalll
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Ahh
22:31* PMantis loves google
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<jammcq>
this is why I like the 3ware cards. it abstracts all of that out for you, so the drive array just appears as a scsi device
22:32
no need to worry about hd[abcd]
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<PMantis>
No doubt that hardware RAID is much easier.
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<jammcq>
what OS is on that box?
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<PMantis>
That's CentOS
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<jammcq>
is /boot on a raid device?
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<PMantis>
yes
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<sbalneav>
heh, seems every time I see PMantis in the channel, it's dealing with sw raid troubles
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<PMantis>
Hah
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dd if=/dev/zero of=./grubboot.img bs=1440k count=1
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mount -o loop -t vfat ./grubboot.img /mnt/grubfloppy/
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no workie... generic "wronf fs type" error
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oh, wait... vfat? I got to copy/paste happy
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<jammcq>
it's a boot sector, not a filesystem
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<PMantis>
?
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<jammcq>
grubboot.img, is that mountable?
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<PMantis>
I'd need to have menu.lst on the floppy...
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Nope
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Not the way I'm doing it at least
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<PMantis>
wow, got it to work.
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<jammcq>
hey, anybody have any experience with bittorrents?
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<PMantis>
Yeah.. what's up?
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<sbalneav>
A bit.
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<PMantis>
sbalneav, nice pun. :)
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<sbalneav>
In Ubuntu, you can usually just browse a .torrent file in the browser, and "the right thing" will happen.
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<jammcq>
as I understand it, if my PC is on the net, then I can download files, and i'm expected to provide download capabilities to other people
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the more I "participate" the better my download rate will be
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<PMantis>
Yeah, you can turn that off.
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<jammcq>
but.... what if i'm behind a firewall?
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: The way to do that is to leave the bt client up and running for a bit after you've finished the download.
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it tunnels, so it's ok.
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<PMantis>
Then you can only make outbound connections... so the receiver better NOT be behind a firewall.
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<jammcq>
i'm downloading via bt on my laptop, and the throughput isn't very good
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i'm thinking that i'm not participating properly
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i'm taking, but not giving
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<PMantis>
I don't think it's throttled like that... probably just not enough seeders
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<jammcq>
78 seeds right now
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<PMantis>
hmmm
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<jammcq>
does that mean I can pull pieces from 78 different places?
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<PMantis>
Yes, as I understand it.
22:49
As long as each of the 78 are not behind a firewall
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<jammcq>
hmm, apparently, I'm also doing some uploading, so maybe it's working fine
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I thought I needed to run something on my firewall, like a proxy or something
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<PMantis>
It might do better if your firewall was running BT, as there's no NAT - it can received from others that ARE behind a firewall
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<jammcq>
hmm, lost scotty
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<PMantis>
Huh, someting I said? :)
22:52
BTW, you might want to check out torrentflux
22:52
Runs on a server, you can start torrents, stop, etc all remotely.
22:52
I haven't used it yet, but it's on my mind for a project.
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<sbalneav>
back
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DOH
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all that ruddy C programming I did for xproperties?
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On the command line:
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xprop -root -f FOOBAR 8s -set FOOBAR "Some value"
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the xprop command can do it all.
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MUCH simple.
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s/./r./
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<jammcq>
scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sbalneav: did you see my comment earlier about using the contents of fstab as the format for the xprop?
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<sbalneav>
Yeah
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<jammcq>
isn't there some info that you need that's not part of fstab?
23:22
<sbalneav>
I'm just sorting out the survivability of the propeties.
23:22
Not sure. If we need something more, we can pass it along.
23:41
<robbie>
afternoons
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