IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Rimal>
i have k12ltsp Fedora core 5 i want to set up printer Canon LBP 2900, but can nt success, anybody can help e
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<me2>
how can i configure Canon LBP 2900 USB printer in K12ltsp in fedora core 5
01:02
yanu, how can i configure Canon LBP 2900 USB printer in K12ltsp in fedora core 5
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<me2>
anubody is there???
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain
05:25
Hola a todos desde España
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<bricod1>
!bootrom
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<ltspbot>
bricod1: Error: "bootrom" is not a valid command.
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<bricod1>
!bootdisk
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<ltspbot>
bricod1: Error: "bootdisk" is not a valid command.
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<bricod1>
!bootcd
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<ltspbot>
bricod1: Error: "bootcd" is not a valid command.
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<bricod1>
!commands
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<ltspbot>
bricod1: add, alert, announce, any, apropos, ban add, ban list, ban remove, cache, calc, capabilities, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, change, changename, channel, channels, cmd, commands, config, cpu, cycle, default, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, dns, enable, export, fight, flush, (2 more messages)
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<bricod1>
!bootfloppy
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<ltspbot>
bricod1: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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<FuL|OUT>
ltsp5 or ltsp4.2 with debian?
05:51
which is stable?
05:51
debian etch
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<envite>
etch will be stable
05:51
in months
05:52
but not yet
05:52
it is frozen actually, but not yet released
05:52
ltsp4.2 is my recomendation by now
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<FuL|OUT>
ok thk
05:56
:)
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<envite>
:)
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<dem>
can enyone enumate which network cards are supported by the floppy
07:43
i tried look but it just says 30
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<dem>
slow, the other site does
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<ogra>
!s
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:37
<sbalneav>
Morning ogra!!
08:37
I got off some TCM screenshots to LaserJock last night.
08:37
<ogra>
nice
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i got his -doc package ... but he said i should hold back
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<FuL|OUT>
humm
08:40
is it normal for the nfs to hang ?
08:40
that is not respond
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<ogra>
no
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<FuL|OUT>
humm
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<sbalneav>
FuL|OUT: What kind of NIC do you have in the server?
08:42
And do you have a hub or a switch that you're connecting the terminals too.
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<ogra>
and how many dhcp servers do you run in that network segment ?
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<sbalneav>
If you're dropping UDP packets, that can be a problem.
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<ogra>
concurring dchp servers can cause that as well ...
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<rossman_>
So Edubuntu isn't working out for me at the office. The OS is slow and buggy, so I'm going with ye olde ubuntu.
09:15
anyone know my best bet for a setup on feisty?
09:15
I'm not sure what the correct package is, whether it's in the repos, etc
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<yanu>
all are in the repos
09:24
apt-cache search ltsp
09:24
do not install ltsp-client on the server!
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<rossman_>
so I should install anything that is not client? or is there a basic command like "apt-get install ltsp" that will do?
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<ogra_>
rossman_, there is no differencer at all between ubuntu and edubuntu wrt ltsp
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<rossman_>
but edubuntu had it installed and configured by default and ubuntu doesn't seem to
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<ogra_>
rossman_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
09:28
no, ubuntu doesnt
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but the ltsp and the setup are identical
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<rossman_>
I haven't installed ltsp since I had to do it from source.
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<sbalneav>
rossman_: What was slow and/or buggy?
09:28
<rossman_>
I think I can manage, but I wanted ot make sure I didn't bungle somehting basic
09:28
edubuntu was
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<ogra>
what about it is slow/buggy ?
09:29
<rossman_>
the ltsp install ran poorly, but even the server is not running smoothly
09:29
I may have had a bad install, not sure
09:29
<ogra>
in which sense ?
09:29
did you have any errors ?
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<rossman_>
no, save the greeter crashing all the time, but some googling told me that this is a common error in edubuntu
09:29
not errors, just sligishness
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slugishness, even
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<ogra>
crashing greeter ?
09:30* ogra never heard of that
09:30
<rossman_>
huh. It runs the first time i boot and then it crashes every single time.
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<ogra>
neither is there any bug open about it in launchpad
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<rossman_>
I also could not force my custom greeter to display on the terminals no matter what I did
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and It's not like I've never done it before
09:30
really?
09:30
let me see if I can find a link
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<ogra>
well, its to late anyway, i'm finishing my day since its my GFs b-day and final freeze takes effect tomorrow
09:31
but since many many people tested feisty the last days and didnt report such stuff here ....
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<rossman_>
oh! No, that was in the dapper version od edubuntu
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<ogra>
()or in launchpad)
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<rossman_>
not feisty
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sorry
09:32
<ogra>
ah
09:32
<rossman_>
no, so far feisty is golden
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<ogra>
well, i didnt have any reports in dapper either ...
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<rossman_>
sorry
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<ogra>
make sure to have the latest ltsp-server package installed, yesterdays build brought enormous bootime speedups
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<rossman_>
maybe it's not as common as I'd thought, then
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<cliebow_>
Yay!!
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<FuL|OUT>
mounting the homes for the ltsp clients to use,,, doesn't seem to workin well :|
10:01* vagrantc prefers bug reports with useful information
10:02* vagrantc was commenting on recent bugs reported on ltsp debian packages
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<FuL|OUT>
eheh
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav: you using slapd in feisty yet?
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<sbalneav>
cliebow_: No, I'm not. Troubles?
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<cliebow_>
no i guess i am ok for now...
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slapadd took quite a while
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<rossman_>
so feisty is up. i think ltsp is installed (ran ltsp-build-client) but I'mnot sure what to do next if anything? Just fire up dhcp3 and plug a thin client in? or is there more ot it than that?
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<cliebow_>
give it a try..might want to just check dhcp is running
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<rossman_>
thanks
11:35
is there a file I can edit do that this server will only accept one mac address as a connection?
11:36
I don't want to mess up anyone who reboots while I'm testing
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<cliebow_>
you could eliminate dynamic addresses..and hard code one..but remember you will have grief if using two dhcp servers on one network
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<vagrantc>
you'll have to tell the other dhcp server not to give dhcp requests to that address, too.
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<rossman_>
hmm . . . good point
11:38
that sounds like a pain in the butt
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any way to tell which dhcp server it will grab if 2 are available?
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<vagrantc>
probably a good headache, too.
11:39
whichever responds first
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<rossman_>
so I could just keep rebooting till I hit it?
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<vagrantc>
and then hope the second dhcp request gets the same one ... because each boot does 2 dhcp requests
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<rossman_>
ahh . . . I'll just wait till the weekend, then
11:40* vagrantc adds splitting to headache
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<rossman_>
heh
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<vagrantc>
the simplest way would be to install a second NIC in your LTSP server, or to modify the existing DHCP server to give your client the right options
11:41
2 DHCP servers is madness.
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<cliebow_>
rossman:what Is your other dhcp server? router? winboxen?
11:45
anyone have a quick and dirty to instal jre?
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<rossman_>
no, it's my other ltsp server
11:49
running edubuntu
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the quick and dirty jre install is automatix
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easiest way
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or automatix 2
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<SBNet>
hey hey hey!
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<dan__t>
'morning.
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<SBNet>
anyone know if a dimension 2400 desktop can pxe boot?
12:14
<cliebow_>
justr the name would be nice..i cant pick the fool thing out fro apt-cache search
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<sbalneav>
cliebow_: still there?
12:53
<cliebow_>
Yo!!
12:53
<sbalneav>
apt-get install sun-java5-jre
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<cliebow_>
it borks..i have all my repos enabled
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<sbalneav>
What's it say?
12:54
Should be in the multiverse repo
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<cliebow_>
Broken Packages
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<sbalneav>
apt-get upgrade -f
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<cliebow_>
guess it will be a while
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<sbalneav>
How much to fix?
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<cliebow_>
A pantsfull
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<sbalneav>
A metric pantsful, or an imperial pantsful?
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<cliebow_>
weird i been apt-get update every day for a week..apt-get dist-upgrade
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<sbalneav>
This on feisty?
12:56
<cliebow_>
a brobdignagian pantsful
12:56
feisty
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, lots of updates lately
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<cliebow_>
ill let it play on..probably be fine now
12:57
Mucho aprreciated
12:57
<sbalneav>
No problemo
12:57
Glad to help
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<cliebow_>
8~)
12:57
<sbalneav>
If I might wax poetic for a bit...
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<cliebow_>
Yes..with baited breath..
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<sbalneav>
I was walking back from lunch today from my favorite restaurant: a vegetarian place called "The Underground Cafe", where I had a most excellent spinach-and-feta pizza...
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<cliebow_>
its spinach and feta omelet every morn in my house
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<sbalneav>
I stopped into my favorite used record place, and picked up a couple of CD's for 10 bucks...
12:59
And now I'm back at work. Where I run Linux and LTSP. I get to help people around the world, and make this a better world for people everywhere...
13:00
Next week I'm off to Brazil where I'll treated royally, and meet MORE great friends and acquaintances...
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<cliebow_>
doesnt get much better than that does it...Glad you are over the proverbial hump workwise
13:01
Ive been So down lately..its felt like this community was flying all apart..but i have new hope
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<sbalneav>
And seeing as how I have so many now, people like you, jammcq, mistik1, ogra, vagrantc, etc etc.
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And as I was walking back in the sunshine, it struck me...
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It really is a wonderful life I lead.
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<cliebow_>
the spiral continues..we'll be our own galaxy by and by
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<sbalneav>
There's nowhere to go but up.
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<cliebow_>
if i look over 56 years of my life.. the greater part of the life-altering events have been associated with you guys!
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<sbalneav>
It's been a helluva good ride, hasn't it?
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And the really GREAT part is: it's nowhere near over.
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We've barely begun.
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<cliebow_>
Yeah..a couple Maine potholes here and there..buto over..rall
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<sbalneav>
there's SO many more interesting problems to solve, and EVERY SINGLE windows box is a chance of opportunity.
13:05
You gonna come to the portland conference this summer?
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<cliebow_>
dont know anything about it..but i dont think i can get away..i do two jobs all summer
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BTS in the Fall..Boston if they invite me
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<sbalneav>
That will be cool, and a short drive for you.
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav: i had a blast showing a bunch of melug guys the ltsp for ppc..they were blown away
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<sbalneav>
I liked Boston when I was there.
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<cliebow_>
i really missed some sort of get together this Sprong
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heh
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brb
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<SBNet>
from a thin client, can usb drives be used?
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav:it is still borked with broken/uninstallable packages
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!localdevices
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: Error: "localdevices" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow_>
!localdevs
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: Error: "localdevs" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia
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<sbalneav>
!topics
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'j', 'j', (1 more message)
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<sbalneav>
!localdev
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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<sbalneav>
There we go :)
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<cliebow_>
Heh..
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<sbalneav>
cliebow_: This machine accessible from the interweb?
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i.e. can I ssh into it from here?
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<cliebow_>
i caan make it so..give a sec
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<sbalneav>
k
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<cliebow_>
try port 2223 at 169.244.180.182
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<sbalneav>
See my private message?
13:37
<cliebow_>
your name twice
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ahh
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<sbalneav>
Hmm, no route to host
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ssh -p 2223 169.244.180.182
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ssh: connect to host 169.244.180.182 port 2223: No route to host
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<freyley>
how do you tell all terminals to use 1024x768 resolution in ltsp5? I tried X_MODE_0 in lts.conf to no apparent effect
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<sbalneav>
freyley: You'll neet to set the X_HORZ... and X_VERT... to the right frequencies.
14:00
What are you currently running at?
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<freyley>
sbalneav: 1280x1024 is what it defaults to
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is that X_HORZ or was the ... supposed to indicate an extension of that? I don't see any X_HOR (or similar) in Debian's sample lts.conf
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<sbalneav>
try setting X_HORZSYNC = 25-70, X_VERTREFRESH = 30-65
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<freyley>
thanks
14:09* sbalneav should sit down and make a chart one of these days.
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<SBNet>
can ltsp handle usb from the client?
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<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "##############################" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/78
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav:this is script to start the java app..ive always had to tweak JH to point to java directory..
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<sbalneav>
Yipes. I know zippity bupkis about java itself. Maybe if you point the java home to wherever kaffe stores it's libs?
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<freyley>
sbalneav: so it was 1024 when it booted to the login screen, but anybody who logs in gets 1280x
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<cliebow_>
Yipes is right!!
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<freyley>
logs into KDE, that is.
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<sbalneav>
freyley: Hmm, wonder if you can force resolution in KDE like you can in gnome.
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<freyley>
I'll check with kiosk, which is likely to have it if anything does
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<cliebow_>
DUDE: i think it works
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<sbalneav>
Free software wins again
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<cliebow_>
seems a little poky..but what th heck
14:27
then there is always ldapfs 8~)
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<sbalneav>
Hey, it works on ppc
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<sbalneav>
That's saying something
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<cliebow_>
i guess so!..i think my database is poky..it was on feisty the last time too..
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<sbalneav>
Did you write this java thing yourself?
14:32
<cliebow_>
no.swiped off the net\\
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<SBNet>
can ltsp handle client side usb?
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<cliebow_>
!localdev
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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<sbalneav>
SBNet: Both LTSP 4.2 and LTSP5 on Ubuntu handle local USB storage, like cdroms and memory sticks
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<SBNet>
i have ltsp 4.2 running and i can get a desktop off it and log in, but when i hook up my usb drive, nothing
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<sbalneav>
Have you installed all the server side bits you need?
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<SBNet>
when i ran ltspcfg or the initial setup program to install everthing i told it all so it should have installed everything
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that ltsp offers
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<sbalneav>
There's separate bits you need to install for server side localdevs
14:36
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev has the answers you need.
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<SBNet>
thanks if i can get the local cd and usb ports working, i'll have a functioning system
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<SBNet>
anyone awake that could maybe help me diagnose a problem?
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<sbalneav>
SBNet: Might get more answers if you state what the problem is :)
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<SBNet>
i guess i figured it out, kept getting an error on my client boxes
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thread 0 couldnot get mutex [8]
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acpi issue
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i think the client will do that if the host isn't fully booted
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i'll be back on in a little bit, leaving the office and heading home
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<cliebow>
Its.........rjune!!
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<rjune>
howdy
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<cliebow>
rjune: you seem pretty upbeat..that is great!
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<rjune>
well, everybody's alive
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<cliebow>
pretty much
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<cliebow>
rjune:jammcq is contemplating bts for Oct..you perhaps free?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<cliebow>
sbalneav!!!!!\
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as in Scott
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<sbalneav>
lol
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<lui1>
Hello!
20:35
I have a problem with ltsp 4.1 and mandriva 2007.
20:35
Who can help me?
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<rjune>
cliebow: dunno yet
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<lui1>
gdm refuse conection
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Alguien habla español?
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<sbalneav>
lui1: Is your GDM actually enabled?
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<lui1>
Yes
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<sbalneav>
Check it with: netstat -an | grep ":177"
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<lui1>
it's ok
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<sbalneav>
Can you paste the line?
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<lui1>
gdm.conf?
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or netstat?
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<sbalneav>
No, the output of the command I gave you.
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netstat
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<lui1>
ok
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<ltsppbot>
"lui1" pasted "udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:*" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/79
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<lui1>
i do it
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<cliebow>
!grayscreen
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
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<cliebow>
may help..prob Xaccess needs an uncomment
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<lui1>
when the terminal go to display the login window ...fail
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and again
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again
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<sbalneav>
What do you get? Just a grey screen with an X?
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<lui1>
yes
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but
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when it leave the gray screen to go to login windows fail!
20:53
with xdm i can see the login window but i can't login
20:53
<sbalneav>
Can the mouse be moved around?
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<lui1>
yes
20:54
with xdm i can type user and passw
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<sbalneav>
Then what happens?
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<lui1>
i can see the windows "Gnome 2.6" and it die
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I am from Argentina and my english is verry poor... sorry..
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<sbalneav>
What kind of server is it?
20:58
And, when you try to log in like this, what's in the .xsession-errors file in the home directory?
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<lui1>
This will be my next question ..."what log to see?"
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<sbalneav>
Well, are there any error messages at the end of the .xsession-errors?
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<lui1>
Ok
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i will see
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<lui1>
sbalneav: fatal error 113
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<sbalneav>
Can you paste the last 20 or 30 lines into the pastebot please?
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<lui1>
fatal error i/o 113
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ok but its are in spanish!
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no problem?
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<ltsppbot>
"lui1" pasted "udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:*" (73 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/80
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, looks like X is dying on the workstation.
21:13
What kind of thin client is it?
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<lui1>
486 12mb
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isa nic
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<sbalneav>
12 megabyte?
21:15
<lui1>
yes
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<sbalneav>
Thats your problem
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Have nfs swap enabled?
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<lui1>
yes
21:16
64 mb
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<sbalneav>
I'm still thinking it's too little ram
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<lui1>
but
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<sbalneav>
Usually you need at least 16 megs. What kind of video card is in it?
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<lui1>
it was working fine with mandrake 10.0
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and i do not remember what version of ltsp
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<sbalneav>
ltsp 4.1 is old old old.
21:18
Is the Mandriva running Xorg? Or XFree86 still?
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because ltsp 4.1 was still using Xfree86 i beleive.
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<lui1>
ummm
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the server run Xorg
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<lui1>
but the terminal works on Xfree
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<sbalneav>
I'd day that's a problem as well.
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<sbalneav>
Unless you can update the terminal to something a little better than a 486 12 megs, you'd be better to stay with the older mandrake.
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<lui1>
Ok
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I will do it
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and then i will tell you
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thanks
21:22
verry much
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<lui1>
sbalneav: i change in the lts.conf the XSERVER option to auto and works!
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it can't detect the configuration but work with VESA and works, very..very slow...but works!
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what can i do to acelerate it?
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<vagrantc>
more ram?
21:48
<lui1>
Argentina ... no money!!!
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A verry poor school!
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<vagrantc>
get a donation of ram from somewhere?
21:51
really, with that little ram, you're going to have troubles.
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it will be slow
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<lui1>
Ok,
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey
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<user__>
dtrask
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<lui1>
sbalneav: i am using "windowsmaker" instead of GNOME and woks better, with my 486 16mb and vesa driver
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thank for help me!
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<lui1>
Me and 480 student of "Fidela Amparan" School - La Paz Mendoza Argentina!!
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See you later, bye bye!
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