IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Nikopoika>
do u guys/girls have any idea why my clients aren't able to mount /opt/ltsp/<arch>/ during boot?
01:15
it just prints: nfs: server <myip> not responding, timed out
01:16
but the client runs actually, it just doesn't run in the /opt/ltsp/i386/ environment
01:22
btw, i'm running debian 4.0 & ltsp-5
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<Nikopoika>
and also my server environment is 64-bit and client 32-bit
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03:40
<Rimas>
Hi! Is it possible to integrate (I mean packages installation but not kernel modifications) LTSP into Ubuntu-desktop, or I have to install Ubuntu-server?
03:42
<vanya>
Rimas, you searched someone from Ukraine yesterday. Do you still need such person? :)
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03:43
<Rimas>
Hi, Vanya, I was writing to you direvtly but it was no answer :-/
03:43
<vanya>
Rimas, have you registered your on Freenode?
03:43
*your nick
03:43
<Rimas>
My English is not so good and I was thinking to ask someone fron Ukraine
03:44
no, I haven't
03:44
<vanya>
I have no experience with Ubuntu actually
03:44
register your nick and you will be able to use private messages
03:44
<Rimas>
Where can I do that
03:44
<vanya>
you can also write to my ICQ 130466092
03:45
<Rimas>
Oh, it would be easier
03:45
<vanya>
Riddell, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
03:46
<vagrantc>
Rimas: i'm not sure i understand your question ... you want to configure LTSP on a desktop machine ?
03:46
Rimas: it's actually not part of the ubuntu-server distribution yet
03:46
<Rimas>
vagrantc: Yes
03:46
<vagrantc>
!ubuntuquick
03:46
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
03:46
<vagrantc>
Rimas: try that
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03:51
<Rimas>
OK, I was already looking around.. and I was trying these instructions. But unsuccessful. Another quastion: Is it ok if I using AMD64 as a server and thin clients i486
03:51
?
03:55
<vagrantc>
yes
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<vagrantc>
you might need to specify --arch i386
03:57
<Rimas>
specify while installing client?
03:57
<vagrantc>
ltsp-build-client --arch i386
03:58
<Rimas>
OK, I understand.. I'll try this. Thanks
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<Rimas>
I was thinking that all clients are old obsolet computers... So it is good to make client with arch i386 by default
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<ChinaForge>
Hello,I install LTSP 5.0 on Ubuntu 7.04,How to use USB disk?
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<mhterres>
morning
08:32
<cliebow_>
morning
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<cliebow_>
hrrmphh
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09:18
<vagrantc>
ogra-classmate: wireless work on that thing yet?
09:18
<ogra-classmate>
with the external usbcard, yes
09:18
<vagrantc>
well, that's been working since day 1, no?
09:18
<ogra-classmate>
i'm supposed to get a new driver today
09:19
yep
09:19* vagrantc wondered, with all the comings and goings
09:19
<ogra-classmate>
for now i concentrated on getting that thing to work at all with modified squashfs and writeable partition ...
09:20
<vagrantc>
ah, good.
09:20
layered unionfs?
09:20
<ogra-classmate>
i have the full edubuntu live squashfs running in rw mode now and still about 1gig free for /home
09:20
yep
09:20
<vagrantc>
i thought there was only a 1GB drive in there?
09:21
<ogra-classmate>
2G
09:21
800M for the squashfs, 200 for the rw partition and the rest for /home
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<vagrantc>
haven't put much work into ltsp since merging all the branches
09:28
<ogra-classmate>
me neither
09:28
(before already to be hinest)
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10:36
<markgreene>
Can anyone here help me troubleshoot a problem I am having. I have LTSP running on a centOS 5 system. Everything is going great until I try and login from the thin client. When type in the root username and password and hit enter the screen goes to an X cursor in the middle for a few seconds and then kicks me back to the login screen. On the server I can see the log where ssh was authenticated but no errors or anything.
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<envite>
Hola a todos desde España
10:38
Hello all from Spain
10:39
<markgreene>
Hey from USA
10:39
<envite>
h markgreene
10:40
<markgreene>
envite: are you familiar with ltsp. I am having and issue with my thin client logging into the server
10:40
<envite>
well, I'm quite familiar, but not a guru
10:40
ask me :)
10:40
<markgreene>
I have LTSP running on a centOS 5 system. Everything is going great until I try and login from the thin client. When type in the root username and password and hit enter the screen goes to an X cursor in the middle for a few seconds and then kicks me back to the login screen. On the server I can see the log where ssh was authenticated but no errors or anything.
10:41
<envite>
which ltsp version?
10:42
<markgreene>
5
10:42
<vagrantc>
markgreene: which tarball?
10:42
<envite>
hum, I'm not using it yet, but...
10:42
are you using GDM?
10:42
<vagrantc>
if it's producing ssh logs, probably LDM
10:43
<markgreene>
vagrantc: Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) i386
10:43
<envite>
I'm thinking about root being expressely forbidden to log in remotely
10:43
¿have you tried with other users?
10:43
<vagrantc>
generally, that's a smart thing to do
10:43
<markgreene>
envite: I honestly am not SAVY with linux - so explain what GDM is
10:43
<vagrantc>
markgreene: you're not running GDM
10:43
well, not logging in via ltsp
10:44
markgreene: can you ssh to the server as root?
10:44
<markgreene>
yes - from other machines. I don't know how to try from the client
10:44
vagrantc: I also just tried it as another user and it did the same thing
10:44
<vagrantc>
ok.
10:44
progress
10:44
markgreene: do you have /etc/X11/Xsession on your server?
10:45
<markgreene>
vagrantc: why am I not running GDM?
10:45
<envite>
markgreene: GDM is the Gnome Display Manager, but vagrantc (who know more tham me about LTSP 5) says you're probably not using it but LDM (LTSP Display Manager)
10:45
<markgreene>
vagrantc: let me look ...
10:46
vagrantc: I have /etc/X11/... - BUT I DO NOT HAVE a folder inside call Xsession
10:46
<vagrantc>
markgreene: it's expected to be a file.
10:46
<markgreene>
envite: vagrantc: I am running KDE on centOS
10:46
<vagrantc>
markgreene: well, there's your problem. you're not running ubuntu or debian on your server :)
10:46
<markgreene>
vagrantc: no folder or file
10:46
vagrantc: My work asked for me to make it work on centOS 5
10:46
<vagrantc>
that's an assumtion made with LDM ... it logs in as the user and runs /etc/X11/Xsession
10:47
<markgreene>
vagrantc: So what is the work around i need to be looking for?
10:47
<vagrantc>
markgreene: so, you can create a /etc/X11/Xsession script that handles login
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<envite>
markgreene: It does nothing to do KDE or GNOME with GDM or KDM or LDP or... any other XDM.
10:48
You can use any XDM to start any desktop
10:48
<vagrantc>
markgreene: is xterm installed on your server?
10:48
<envite>
I always use GDM and almost always use KDE
10:48
<markgreene>
vagrantc: I just ran a search "find | grep Xsession" and it turned up a file on my server in /etc/X11/xinit/Xession
10:48
as well as /etc/gdm/Xsession
10:49
<vagrantc>
markgreene: what's /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession look like?
10:49
actually ...
10:49
<markgreene>
FIXED IT
10:49
!
10:49
I just copied that file to /etc/X11
10:49
and it worked!
10:49
THIS IS AWESOME!
10:50
<vagrantc>
sure
10:50
which did you copy?
10:50
probably better to make a symlink
10:50
<markgreene>
cp /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession /etc/X11
10:50
<vagrantc>
ln -s /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession /etc/X11/Xsession
10:50
<markgreene>
you're right
10:50
* STILL NEW TO LINUX
10:50
<vagrantc>
that way when it upgrades it will still work
10:50
<markgreene>
yep
10:50
man this was well worth my time
10:51
<highvoltage>
:)
10:51
<markgreene>
One of the cooler things I have done on linux
10:51
<vagrantc>
markgreene: so, /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession doesn't make any assumptions about where it runs from?
10:51
<markgreene>
vagrantc: that question is a LITTLE over my head, but I guess not. Must use absolute paths
10:51
<vagrantc>
lucky you :)
10:51
<markgreene>
extremely
10:52
<vagrantc>
you might also be able to symlink it to /etc/gdm/Xsession or whatever that file was
10:53
when people tried the tarballs on redhat-ish systems, i threw my arms up in the air and wondered where they were gonna get an /etc/X11/Xsession
10:53
<markgreene>
vagrantc: Here is one thing I do not understand. I use KDE, but it logs me in with gnome
10:53
<vagrantc>
markgreene: now i know, thanks to you
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<markgreene>
vagrantc: Well I am flattered that this stupid linux Newb could help
10:54
<vagrantc>
markgreene: somehow, Xsession is determining what your default session type is
10:54
markgreene: i have *no* idea how to set that on centos
10:54
<markgreene>
vagrantc: Well that won't do... But hell I think it's all down hill from here
10:54
<envite>
markgreene: in the same screen in which you have to log in it must be a "session" button or link
10:54
<vagrantc>
markgreene: if you can get a login, you're all set.
10:54
envite: that may not work with LDM
10:55
<markgreene>
it does not
10:55
<vagrantc>
someone has to implement ldminfod for non-debian systems
10:55
<envite>
in that one you can select wich session you will run: either KDE or Gnome or XFCE or IceWM or WindowsMaker or....
10:55
<vagrantc>
envite: stop telling markgreene things that aren't true :P
10:55
<markgreene>
envite: that won't work for me - I am taking the road less traveled
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<markgreene>
lol
10:56
So you're from Spain envite? I have always wanted to travel there
10:56
<vagrantc>
envite: LDM is very different from the other display managers
10:56
<envite>
markgreene: yes. Canary Islands
10:56
<markgreene>
ncie
10:56
*nice
10:56
<envite>
vagrantc: as I said, I always use GDM
10:56
it's powerful and nicer, at least IMHO
10:57
<meduxa>
envite is a GDM radiKal
10:57
<envite>
thanks, meduxa
10:57
(dont trust him, he's my boss)
10:57
<vagrantc>
envite: yes, well, telling someone how to use a program they don't have installed... isn't nice :P
10:58
<meduxa>
I use GDM because you put it to me on my laptop so...you are wellcome
10:58
<vagrantc>
meduxa: were you the fellow who spoke at UES ?
10:58
meduxa: in sevilal ?
10:58
<meduxa>
yes
10:58
<vagrantc>
er sevilla
10:58
<meduxa>
envite and I work together
10:58
he is the guy that configures our ltsp systems
10:59
<vagrantc>
ah.
10:59
<meduxa>
in our company
10:59
<vagrantc>
i must visit sometime :)
10:59
<envite>
sure, you must :D
10:59
<meduxa>
yes, you are invited to stay with us
10:59
so you only have to pay the trip
10:59
<jammcq>
and meduxa is the guy who buys us beer at the hotel :)
11:00
<meduxa>
you will be able to visit various islands since we have people
11:00
<vagrantc>
did meduxa buy me beer?
11:00
<meduxa>
in a couple of them
11:00
<jammcq>
umm, he bought some beers for several of us
11:00
<meduxa>
yes I work better with a beer
11:00
<vagrantc>
i haven't had much wine since i left sevilal
11:01
why can't i spell sevilla?
11:01
<envite>
what a group of male-alone-drunken-hackers must you made them
11:02
<vagrantc>
but i'm sober now, and i still have troubles spelling sevilla
11:02
<envite>
try the english way
11:02
seville
11:03
<vagrantc>
it's about as difficult ... the e's not so far on the keyboard
11:03
<envite>
a Qwerty one? or a Dvorçak?
11:05
<vagrantc>
qwerty
11:05
it took me a little too long to figure out how to spell qwerty
11:05
<envite>
hahahahahahahahahahaha
11:05
simply pressing the first six letters on the first row may suffice ;)
11:05
<vagrantc>
tengo grippe
11:06
<envite>
flu?
11:06
<vagrantc>
just a cold
11:06
hopefully
11:07
<envite>
well, not "gripe" but "catarro" then
11:08* vagrantc wonders if it's different in guatemala
11:08* envite wonders too
11:09
<envite>
well, I've just searched the officeal Dictionary and teher is only one accepted definition of "gripe", that is teh equivalent of flu.
11:10
(yes, in spanish there is an _official_ dictionary)
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<vagrantc>
doesn't believe in official dictionaries
11:19
i'm firmly in the descriptive language camp.
11:21
<envite>
heh
11:21
Maybe it's quite different in spanish and english
11:21
in spanish we have one single official dict for all spanish-talking countries
11:22
developed jointly by all spanish language academies of all those countries
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<vagrantc>
sure, i understand that. but the language will evolve despite the dictionary
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<envite>
it helps us to maintain a united idiom
11:22
<vagrantc>
and i'm not saying it's a bad thing
11:22
<envite>
sure :) I _hope_ it evolves
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<vagrantc>
but in linguistics theres two major ideas about language ... one is you describe how people use it, and the other is prescribing how people *should* use language (i.e. dictionaries and formal textbooks and such)
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11:24* vagrantc thwacks vagrantc with an off-topic bat
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<vagrantc>
self-moderation
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<envite>
I know... and spanish academia is more in the prescribing side of the line :(ç
11:26
(I'm not self-moderated in the afternoon, only in the morning)
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<vagrantc>
yeah. i.e. spanish spoken by people will be different than spanish as dictated by the academic world
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<markgreene>
Hey guys - another question(s): Getting sound to work, and changing the graphic on the login screen so that it does not say Ubuntu
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<markgreene>
envite: but it works in gnome?
11:34
<vagrantc>
envite: you can't just set KDE to use esound ?
11:35
<envite>
markgreene: in Gnome it mostly works
11:35
vagrantc: no
11:35
vagrantc: I'll explain
11:36
the usual method to do it in KDE is to use LD_PRELOAD to preload the OSS-ESD way
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but in the new kde i'm using LD_PRELOAD does not work
11:36
<vagrantc>
"usual method" :P
11:37
<envite>
well... the one Wiki says
11:39
vagrantc: the problem is not the dound in KDE itself, but in the apps it starts
11:39
<vagrantc>
well sure
11:39
<envite>
kde used to honour LD_PRELOAD in the .kde/env scripts, as it does with ESDDSP and ESDMIXER
11:39
but now it "cleans" LD_PRELOAD
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<vagrantc>
it's a major security risk
11:43
<envite>
i can imagine
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<rjune-isis>
jammcq: you around?
12:04
<cliebow_>
rjune-isis, !!!!!!!!!!!
12:04
<rjune-isis>
howdy
12:05
I'm trying to build LBE, have you played with it for a bit?
12:05
<envite>
well, I've it working with esound, but I'm not happy
12:05
<vagrantc>
LBE is sooo... 2005
12:05
<mistik1>
rjune-isis: how goes
12:05
<envite>
oss-only apps must be wrapped if it continues this way :(
12:06
<mistik1>
rjune-isis: please drop me an email addy, I was trying to hunt you down last week
12:06
<vagrantc>
envite: i hear the next version of ubuntu has remote sound integrated quite nicely using alsa.
12:08
<rjune-isis>
rjune@bravegnuworld.com
12:08
mistik1: fairly good, started a new job, and we were wanting to adapt lbe to our distro
12:08
<envite>
cool
12:08
but I do not use ubuntu
12:08
(not in the company)
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<mistik1>
rjune-isis: cool
12:09
<envite>
this is "pure old-way" debian
12:09
<rjune-isis>
mistik1: I thought so.
12:09
<cliebow_>
rjune-isis, been ages since i built lbe..what is wrong?
12:09
<mistik1>
rjune-isis: why not go with the MueKow method, It would seem easier to do since its based on the OS you are starting with
12:09
<rjune-isis>
the latetst checkout claims to require gcc 3.4
12:10
we're not building a terminal, but rather a router.
12:10
<vagrantc>
envite: i would recommend exploring what ubuntu has done and getting it working in debian, then :)
12:10
<rjune-isis>
LBE gives us a nice build environment.
12:10
<vagrantc>
envite: i think all, or most of the software is in etch
12:10
<cliebow_>
i thnk gcc-3.4 can sit alongside 4
12:10
<envite>
sure :)
12:10
<cliebow_>
i thought jammcq had fixed that
12:10
<rjune-isis>
possible, I was curious if it's been ported to 4.x and if not what was borken
12:11
<envite>
I'm simply trying to finish our actual ReciclaRed project to see how really mature is LTSP 5 with Pulseaudio and its LDA
12:11
<cliebow_>
lemme look on wiki..rjune
12:12
<vagrantc>
envite: well, if you're looking at wrapping all programs in oss wrappers, it might take less time to do it a cleaner way :)
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<cliebow_>
can you put in gcc-3.4?
12:16
<sbartleylinux>
Can anyone tell me if it should be possible to connect a USB cash drawer up to a USB port on a t/c and be able to talk to it? i.e. send a code and have it open?
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<rjune-isis>
cliebow_: probably
12:18
I would rather fix the problem though
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<cliebow_>
no one is working on 4.2 8~(
12:21
<envite>
?
12:22
<rjune-isis>
cliebow_: no worries, I was hoping jim could clue me into what was broken though. thanks
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<mistik1>
Hello Administrador_, killed any virii today?
12:23
rjune-isis: see my message?
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<rjune-isis>
mistik1: yes
12:51
mistik1: see my reply?
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<NuHu>
hi
13:18
i use LTSP 4.1 on NLD 9
13:18
evry thing goes fine
13:18
one thing i ask.
13:19
just i want when user login on NLD 9 session kmail and firefox browser default setting wil be there
13:19
any one help me out of this
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<envite>
NLD?
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<NuHu>
Novell linux desktop 9
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<envite>
huh
13:30
<rjune-isis>
Novell's first linux release after they bought SuSE
13:30
<envite>
for kmail I suggest KDE Kiosk mode
13:30
<rjune-isis>
it's been renamed to SuSE Linux Enterprise [ Desktop | Server ]
13:30
<envite>
for firefox there is something similar
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<NuHu>
envite : you wana see i create local profile on kiosk ?
13:33
say**
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<envite>
may be
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<NuHu>
envite : thanx
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<ogra-classmate>
vagrantc: like to take part in the edubuntu meeting ? in #ubuntu-meeting
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<rjune-isis>
jammcq: ping
15:44
<jammcq>
rjune-isis: pong
15:44
<rjune-isis>
how goes it?
15:44
<jammcq>
going well, how's things with you?
15:44
<rjune-isis>
not too shabby
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<jammcq>
what's this about a new job?
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<rjune-isis>
yup.
15:45
building routers again
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<jammcq>
wowwie
15:45
having fun?
15:45
<rjune-isis>
meh, it's a step forward
15:45
We're looking to use LBE for our distro though
15:46
Kinda curious what requires gcc > 3.2, but < 3.4
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<jammcq>
yeah, we had trouble building glibc with anything newer
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<rjune-isis>
an old version of glibc?
15:49
<jammcq>
well, it was current at the time
15:49
<rjune-isis>
old is of course, relevant.
15:49
<jammcq>
but that's a couple years ago
15:49
<rjune-isis>
'okay, thanks.
15:50
yeah, but it's 90% of what we want already
15:50
plus it'll do cross compiles right?
15:50
<jammcq>
hmm, not really
15:50
the idea was there, but cross-compiles are really difficult, if the configure script doesn't support it
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<rjune-isis>
Good thing I said it was built on the target platform.
15:51
<jammcq>
well, that makes it alot easier
15:51
is the target x86 ?
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<rjune-isis>
yeah
15:59
though at some point we'll be looking at other archs
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<lns>
hey all
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<lns>
I just got done with a 10 student "test run" with a new Ubuntu Feisty LTSP server setup and Neoware e100 thin clients
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<lns>
Server is a dual Intel Xeon (quad core) 64-bit system w/8GB RAM
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<markgreene>
hey guys. What's the most common reason the thin client does not see a sound device?
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<lns>
We experienced some thin client hard-lockups (no mouse movement, screen freeze) during certain situations such as attempting logging out with applications open, entering "slide show" mode in OOo Presentation, amongst a couple of other instances
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<ogra-classmate>
lns: always on the same clients or randomly ?
16:42
the latter indicates a server problem
16:42
the formere points rather to network problems
16:42
*former
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<lns>
ogra-classmate, it seemed to be random, 4 seperate clients locked up during different times
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<ogra-classmate>
which kernel are you using on the server ?
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<lns>
don't have access to check right now, but its the latest that comes with feisty AMD64
16:45
Ubuntu Server btw not desktop (installed on the server)
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<ogra-classmate>
try with the -server kernel, -generic wont use more than 4gig afair
16:45
<lns>
won't use or won't see? I saw all 8GB in system monitor
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<ogra-classmate>
ah, hmm, then you would use the -server kernel
16:45
<lns>
k
16:45
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: I didn't get any massive noticeable boot-to-login time decrease with the udev changes and the C greeter. :( (About 21 seconds overall.)
16:46
ogra-classmate: My next step is to experiment with chroot kernel configs.
16:46
<ogra-classmate>
21 vs ?
16:46
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: Oh, 21 seconds less than the original 297 seconds to get a login prompt.
16:46
ogra-classmate: This thing boots LTSP 4.2 in 38 seconds.
16:46
<lns>
I can reproduce pretty well on the client side by going to Google Maps in FF and zooming/scroll around
16:46
<ogra-classmate>
well, a fixed module list speeds up a bit
16:46* moquist nods
16:46
<lns>
but other instances of hard locks happened at other times too
16:47
<ogra-classmate>
how much ram do the clients have?
16:47
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: the 21 seconds were saved before the first monitor detection happens, so it was the udev change that made the difference. the C greeter took almost exactly the same amount of time.
16:47
<lns>
lemme see
16:48
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: this is a 650mhz celeron with 128MB of ram. It takes *at least* twice as long to boot as does a 250Mhz AMD K6-2 with 64MB of ram.
16:48
<ogra-classmate>
yeah
16:48
<moquist>
shared video mem
16:48
(also)
16:48
<ogra-classmate>
thats weird
16:48
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: Yes.
16:49
<lns>
either 128mb or 256mb, with 32mb allocated for video ram
16:49
<ogra-classmate>
are the celerons all attached to the same network hw ?
16:49
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: That's why I want to play with kernel configs, to see if I can figure out where all the time is going to boot that silly thing. But there aren't any particularly long pauses that it's easy to identify, unfortunately.
16:49
<lns>
i actually had to bump the vidram up from 8mb because of many screen artifacts in the gnome session
16:49
<ogra-classmate>
and is it different to the hw the amd's use?
16:49
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: I've set up K12LTSP & Edubuntu on my laptop in vmware to test from the same hardware with the same virtual environment.
16:50
<ogra-classmate>
lns: hmm, that sounds fine
16:50
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: Not substantially, but I have more testing to do.
16:50
<lns>
ogra-classmate, yeah it's weird. I know the Neoware e100s have the via video chipset where everything up until Feisty was having an issue with detection
16:50
<ogra-classmate>
moquist: using a static xorg.conf speeds up a *lot* btw
16:50
<lns>
i'm almost wondering if its related
16:50
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: here are the stats I'm collecting, in case you're interested: http://n01se.net/paste/Jup
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<moquist>
ogra-classmate: OK. I'll need to try that out.
16:51
<ogra-classmate>
lns: oh, that might be one of these things that need an openchrome driver
16:52
<lns>
ogra-classmate, oh haven't heard of that yet..is the openchrome driver not in the default kernel?
16:52
<ogra-classmate>
moquist: also backgrounding the nbd stuff (by simply appending an & in the initscript ) helps
16:52
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: Ooooooo. OK.
16:53
<ogra-classmate>
(youre running all the gutsy changes then ;) )
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<moquist>
ogra-classmate: OK. I'll let you know how it goes.
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<lns>
ogra-classmate, crap i'm sorry, the gfx chipset is a SiS 741GX
16:53
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: you're not using a static xorg.conf in gutsy, though, right?
16:54
<ogra-classmate>
moquist: nope
16:54
but the X detection will get better with 7.3
16:54* moquist nods
16:55
<ogra-classmate>
it will autodetect on startup without the need for any config file
16:55
so this part can go from the initsvript
16:55
<moquist>
ogra-classmate: I fear that this craptop just won't be able to load *any* graphical login locally in very much less time.
16:55
ogra-classmate: ah! cool.
16:56
ogra-classmate: I would much rather keep talking about this ATM, but unfortunately I must prepare to lead a discussion in 30 minutes... :\
16:56
<ogra-classmate>
lns: can you set a root pw in the chroot and log in on the console on the client and check which x driver is used ? smells like you are using vesa or something
16:57
moquist: well, its nearly twelve here and i'm working since 9am ...
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<lns>
ogra-classmate, i can try that when i'm onsite, yes for sure
16:57
<ogra-classmate>
so i should soon hit the road as well :)
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<lns>
can vesa do 1280x1024 32-bit though? they look very nice and slick
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<ogra-classmate>
yes it can
16:59
<lns>
oh wow ok
16:59
sure i'll definitely check that out
16:59
thank you sir!
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<lns>
ogra-classmate, yeah go get some rest =) you're always helping us out too much around here. ;)
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<ogra-classmate>
heh, well, i'm addicted :)
17:01
<lns>
hehe.. well don't burn out, the world needs a superhero like you. =)
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<ogra-classmate>
i wont burn out, dont worry
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<lns>
mucho good to hear
17:03
just to keep in mind, i really want to create a Linux/LTSP Youtube video, kind of a promotional thing
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maybe have clips of different setups, interviews, etc
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user interviews, admin interviews, developer interviews
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<ogra-classmate>
nice
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<lns>
so maybe if everyone here keeps that in mind, when I'm ready to move forward with collaboration, we can all pull together some footage or whatnot and send it to me to compile
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<ogra-classmate>
anyway, bedtime for me
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<lns>
have good sleep!
17:06
<ogra-classmate>
will do :)
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<mighty-d>
hi
17:24
i have a question, whats different between ltsp 4.2 and ltsp 5 ?
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<cliebow>
it is an altogether different idea..
17:29
4.2 was b uilt from a build environment..populated with source
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5 uses binaries of the host distro
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it is still under devel
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<mighty-d>
ok, i like to use slackware on my servers
17:30
<cliebow>
to speed boot process
17:30
<mighty-d>
ohh it is under devel?
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<cliebow>
i dont know as anyone has tried building a chroot from slack binaaries..
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<mighty-d>
because i dont see slackware packages, and i dont really think it will be one...
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slackware ppl doesnt like the prebuilt packages
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<cliebow>
you "can" use the tarballs created for eithe 4.2 or 5 or both under slack if you can provide essential servces
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like tftp dhcp nfs x
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<mighty-d>
im running 4.2 and it works like a charm, however i want to be up to date with my system and knowledge
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<cliebow>
gentoo is getting up to speed...fedora has done "some"
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suse is working on it
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<mighty-d>
do you suggest i should wait a little before jumping to 5?
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<cliebow>
id jump right in..cana always set the chroot aside
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and still use it..i have six different chroot on my lappie]\
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and as many kernels
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<mighty-d>
cliebow... i dont have this chance, i have a lot of users, and i cant be messing around with the system...
17:41
whats the difference (in benefits) between 5 and 4.2, i mean, im very happy with 4.2 but i have found a lot of problems using esd
17:41
but sound isnt a requirement of my network, so i dont have sound support on my thin clients
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<cliebow>
sound should work out of the box
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<mighty-d>
in 5/
17:45
in 5?
17:45
<cliebow>
well..not unless server side adjustents are made...
17:45
<mighty-d>
are you talking of 5 or both?
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<cliebow>
i almost think you'd be better off sticlking with 4.2 for now...
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in5..
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but slack hasnt gotten up to speed building chroot with their own stuff
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so stay 4.2 for now if you are wed to slack..
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<mighty-d>
ok cliebow... thanks, however... if in the future there is no slackware package i can run thin clients images from slack?
17:50
"Users of distributions that choose not to incorporate LTSP functionality into the distribution will still be able to incorporate the technology using pre-made thin client operating system images made available by the LTSP maintainers"
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<cliebow>
sure..they just wont have the server side tweaks that make things smooth..
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<mighty-d>
which server side tweeks are you talking about... btw which distro are you running cliebow?
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ok, thanks cliebow, i have a huge respect for your knowledge, you have helped me in the past, gotta go now, thanks a lot
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<petre>
evening all
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<Burgundavia>
hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey corey
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<petre>
hey jammcq !
20:39
<jammcq>
hey petre
20:39
<petre>
so, for NCLS, do you want to stay near the airport or the college?
20:39
<jammcq>
ummmm
20:40
it doesn't much matter
20:40
<petre>
well, there are more choices by the airport
20:41
but I suspect the rates might be better near the college
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<jammcq>
I prefer a courtyard or residence inn
20:42
so I'll poke around a bit
20:42
<petre>
I sent a list of seemingly decent hotels near the college to Riann from South Africa (forget his last name)
20:43
where did you stay last year?
20:43
<jammcq>
residence inn near the airport
20:43
<petre>
I can send you the list I sent to Riann if you like
20:44
I think there's also a residence inn near the intersection of I-494 and Hwy. 169
20:44
which is about not quite halfway between
20:47
or there's one downtown, which would also be halfway between them
20:47
it's got an indoor waterslide, in case that's important to you ;-)
20:52
jammcq: do want a ride Thursday night? Jeremy White has offered to pick you up
20:52
<jammcq>
I'll get a rental car. I just reserved it a minute ago
20:52
<petre>
he can't make it Friday night, got a college reunion
20:53
wanna meet for a beer somewhere thursday eve?
20:53
<jammcq>
we could prolly do that
20:53
Jeremy can't do friday? bummer
20:54
<petre>
I think he'll be there during the day on Friday, just not in the evening
20:55
I'm trying to think of a good place to go Thurs night; I'm a lousy tour guide
20:56
There's a part of town called Uptown that's got lots of bars, restaurants, cafes, without outside seating that might be nice.
20:56
not too far from my house, btw
20:56
in Minneapolis proper
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<jammcq>
welp, I arrive at 7:35pm, I'd have to pick up the rental car, and then I'd like to get checked in at the hotel
20:57
so it may be 8:30-9pm before I'm ready to meet anyone
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<petre>
I'd suggest the Residence Inn in Eden Prairie, then
20:59
not too far from the airport, but is in the direction of the college
20:59
we can meet you there
20:59
<jammcq>
that could work, I'll search it in a minute
20:59
<petre>
there are lots of restaurants in that area, too
21:00
just not very pedestrian-friendly; it's suburbia, near a shopping mall
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<jammcq>
I won't be there much, so pedestrian friendly isn't important
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<petre>
I'd suggest the one downtown for it's proximity to the steakhouse, but it's actually quite a hike between them
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<petre>
so I think the EP one would be better for you
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<dberkholz>
eden prairie's still a fairly long drive from north hennepin...
21:09
30 min at least, i'd guess
21:10
<petre>
nah, you can make it in 25
21:10
<dberkholz>
guess it depends how close to the freeway you are
21:10
<petre>
dberkholz: aren't you from, what was it, Plymouth?
21:10
<dberkholz>
yep
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<petre>
the Residence Inn is right off 494
21:11
by the EP mall
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<dberkholz>
there's that pretty nice hotel at 694 and boone or so, haven't stayed there personally
21:12
the northland
21:13
<petre>
right, nice & close to the college
21:13
OTOH, if he doesn't get in to MSP until 7:35, then has to rent a car, it would make more sense to make his drive short
21:14
we can get down to EP easily by then from the college
21:14
then he only has to make that drive Friday morning
21:14
Friday evening, we'll go downtown, and if he stays in EP, that puts him closer to the airport for Sat.
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<dberkholz>
you're setting it up, i'm just an idle commentator
21:15
<petre>
actually, I'm just thinking out loud, so I appreciate the suggestion, as it allows me to argue the pros and cons of each location
21:15
so with that all said, I think the EP Res. Inn makes the most sense
21:16
I didn't really have an opinion about that until just now ;-)
21:16
dberkholz: where are you now?
21:16
<dberkholz>
oregon state university
21:17
<petre>
ah, right, grad school, correct?
21:17
<dberkholz>
yes sir
21:17
<petre>
how far along are you?
21:17
doing a thesis?
21:17
<dberkholz>
2.5 years, and yes
21:17
<petre>
topic?
21:18
<dberkholz>
protein structure and function
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<jammcq>
petre: I see a Courtyard in Eden Prairie
21:28
<petre>
right, "Courtyard by Marriott", and it's a Residence Inn, right?
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<jammcq>
well, Courtyard and Res-Inn are 2 separate hotels
21:29
both owned by marriott
21:29
<petre>
7780 Flying Cloud Drive?
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<petre>
I thought they were separate too, but the page I'm looking at is a Marriott
21:30
and it shows Res Inn
21:30
nice place, my sister and her family stayed there when they were moving here from Seattle two years ago
21:30
<jammcq>
Courtyard Minneapolis Eden Prairie
21:30
# 11391 Viking Drive
21:30
# Eden Prairie, MN 55344
21:31
It's done, i've reserved the room there
21:31
Courtyards have the best beds
21:31
and it's slightly cheaper than res-inn
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<petre>
oh, right, I know that one; also a good place, actually a bit closer than the Res Inn (e.g., two minutes or so)
21:34
I've had friends stay there before
21:34
seemed nice enough
21:35
about five minutes away from my old Nextel office
21:37
so, we'll plan to meet you at the hotel 8:30-9:00pm or so
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<jammcq>
sounds like a plan
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<petre>
cool! see ya then
21:51
gotta run
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