IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 29 September 2011   (all times are UTC)

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05:19
<chupacabra>
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13:47
<bakytn>
Hello! Do you know why if I specify two parameters (-r sound:local and -r disk:) the sound doesn't work? It's happening only in LTSP for some reasons. On another Linux'es it's okay
13:49
if I don't use "-r disk:" sound works fine
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
bakytn, is this via lts.conf or via Gnome?
13:51
<bakytn>
Hyperbyte, via lts.conf
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
Try it via Gnome, in a local xterm
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!localxterm
13:51
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
13:52
<bakytn>
Hyperbyte, can't test it right away. But what if it works via localxterm?
13:52
Hyperbyte, what it could be then?
13:52
<Hyperbyte>
Then it's LTSP related
13:52
If it doesn't work via local xterm either, it's rdesktop related.
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<bakytn>
Hyperbyte, but it works from the other Linux'es..so I can't contact rdesktop guys and users. May be anybody encountered this
13:54
<Hyperbyte>
Check first if it's LTSP issue or rdesktop issue.
13:54
It could be related to some dependancy of rdesktop missing in the chroot, it could be due to the chroot having a different rdesktop version...
13:54
<bakytn>
ok..
13:54
<Hyperbyte>
On the other hand, it could be going wrong someowhere in the LTSP initialization scripts... etc.
13:55
<bakytn>
chroot has different version, yes. Okay, will check
13:55
<Hyperbyte>
If we have to guess where the problem is, we can be here for hours. :)
13:56
<bakytn>
Hyperbyte, sure, I just thought may be I'm not alone on this and somebody already fixed this
13:57
<Hyperbyte>
Maybe, but not me. :)
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14:38
<txor>
Hi
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<txor>
I started a client on openSUSE 11.4 LTSP and it shows two icons in the desktop, -loop0 and -loop0-loo0. Where they are created?
14:41
It's Gnome, maybe are they beign created by Gnome? The icons name are ltspfsmounter---loop0.desktop
14:41
Any hints on how to configure this behaviour?
14:41
<Hyperbyte>
Seems like something done by LTSP local devices
14:43
When LTSP detects a local filesystem on the client, it tries to mount it on the server and create a link to it on the users' desktop
14:43
Not sure about loop0 or OpenSUSE though, stick around 'till someone comes along who does. There a few other OpenSUSE people in here, you could also try #kiwi-ltsp
14:43
<txor>
The client does not have a phisical HD.
14:44
Oh ok I'll try there! Thxans a lot
14:44
Thanks**
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<txor>
Hyperbyte: Can you tell me which part of LTSP is responsable for automounting? Who launches ltspfsmounter? (I see the manuals about ltspfs)
15:24
I see that my problem is that those icons are wrong, they point to /media/.username/-loop0 and the real place is /tmp/.username/-loop0
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<Hyperbyte>
txor, that'd be ltspfs. But I'd ask someone who knows about SUSE, probably a lot better to get some good advice and a good solution, rather than hacking away 'till it works
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<txor>
Yes... But I hacked arround and I found the problem! :)
15:57
it's a hook, /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/kde-desktop-icons I don't read deeply but was obious that it created the icons, I moved out the hook and the icons does not apper anymore, just an icon issue.
15:58
Maybe I can tell it a bug? My system is gnome and it created icons for KDE with wrong paths....
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<txor>
Hyperbyte: What do you think, I have to submit it to ltspfs developers?
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<bakytn>
txor, reading your conversation with Hyperbyte from irclogs. WHat was the problem?
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<txor>
Hi!
16:02
<bakytn>
Hi
16:04
<txor>
I started an LTSP on openSUSE 11.4 with gnome, and started the client, on the client desktop appeared two icons named ltspfsmounter---loop0.desktop and ltspfsmounter---loop0-loop0.desktop that doesn't work, they were pointing to /media/username/-loop0 and that is not the path, the path were on /tmp/.username-ltspfs....
16:04
<bakytn>
and there were no USB devices attached?
16:04
<txor>
not
16:04
<bakytn>
do you have LOCALDEV set to true?
16:05
ok
16:05
<txor>
wait a minute plz
16:05
where is that option?
16:05
<bakytn>
lts.conf
16:05
<txor>
lts.conf?
16:05
ok wait plz
16:06
LOCALDEV = True, yes
16:06
<bakytn>
can you check with False value?
16:06
will they be mounted or not
16:06
you would have to restart your machine though
16:06
(client machine)
16:07
<alkisg>
txor: O
16:07
I'd file a bug on opensuse for it
16:07
In upstream that file exists, but only as an example
16:07
<txor>
ok I'll try now
16:08
alkisg: It seems a bug, yes.
16:08
<alkisg>
txor: also mention in the bug report if you have KDE installed (even if you were using gnome at the time)
16:10
<txor>
bakytn: I have to restart kiwi-ltsp-setup on a change at lts.conf¿
16:10
<bakytn>
txor, no, only the client
16:10
<txor>
alkisg: Sorry, you say that is already there a bug opened for that?
16:10
<bakytn>
txor, btw, can you also check the contents for /etc/fstab?
16:10
txor, in the chroot's /etc/fstab i mean
16:11
<alkisg>
txor: no, I'm saying that this bug would be specific to opensuse, not to upstream ltsp
16:11
<bakytn>
and in server's /etc/fstab
16:11
<alkisg>
So you'd need to file it in the kiwi-ltsp bug tracker
16:11
<txor>
alkisg: ah! ok ok, the file creating the icons is at ltspfs package
16:12
bakytn: what I have to search in fstab? Any mention to ltspfs maybe?
16:12
<alkisg>
txor, for example in Ubuntu: $ dpkg -L ltspfs | grep kde
16:12
/usr/share/doc/ltspfs/examples/kde-desktop-icons
16:12
It's just an example in Ubuntu, it doesn't affect anything
16:12
So if in your distro it's actually used in Gnome, it's a packaging problem
16:13
<bakytn>
txor, yes, you can also comment out strange lines
16:15
<txor>
Well, with LOCALDEV = false it's not happening, and the server is not mounting any ltspfs for the user I log.
16:31
<bakytn>
txor, good, now check udev
16:31
chroot's /etc/udev
16:31
sorry I meant /etc/udev/rules.d
16:31
how much rules do you see?
16:40
<txor>
"ls /etc/udev/rules.d/ | wc -l " returns 16
16:40
I was reading the bug at debian
16:41
For me the solution is obious, delete the kde-desktop-icons as the users don't need to browse the created virtual filesytem... May I can help you more?
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<Guest19075>
so I was using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup to set up some ppc clients but /etc/exports is empty??
16:46
<bakytn>
txor, ok ok, no, thanks :D
16:46
txor, so have you removed that package?
16:47
ggg
16:47
<txor>
bakytn: ltspfs package? Not!
16:49
bakytn: Hey I love to help the community!! :D
16:52
<bakytn>
txor, why do you have so much udev rules? I have only two for example
16:53
txor, I'd dig into those rules
16:53
<txor>
bakytn: I don't know, it's an openSUSE 11.4 ! What are you searching inside?
16:53
<bakytn>
txor, you can also search in /etc/ folder with "find" and "grep" for the contents
16:53
for the ltspfs for example
16:54
<txor>
what contents?
16:54
<bakytn>
search for strings
16:54
loop--0?
16:54
etc
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<Guest19075>
any of you guys have expeirence with powerpc clients?
16:54
<txor>
Guest19075: me not
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<bakytn>
gotta go, good luck all!
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<txor>
I also have to go, good luck and have fun!
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<Guest19075>
nadda on ppc? :(
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<Guest19075>
vagrantc: !
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17:24
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: Roasted if you remember.
17:25
vagrantc: I hear you've used powerpc clients???
17:27
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: only a little bit
17:29
Guest19075: we use an LTSP environment for wiping hard drives in powerpc machines
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<knipwim>
Guest19075: i'm looking to experiment on different client architectures
17:29
any suggestions on clients?
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<vagrantc>
haven't really used LTSP with powerpc for more typical thin client scenarios, but i have tested that it does work ... they may require a litlte more manual tweaking for X and such
17:30
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: I see. We've been toying with LTSP for a while here and we have an absolute truckload of old mac hardware...
17:30
being able to utilize this old hardware for LTSP would be nothing short of a huge blessing
17:32
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: the easiest way would be to install one environment natively, and then either run it just as the file server (NBD or NFS), or copy the images/files over to your usual server.
17:32
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: I'm not sure I follow. What's the point of doing that if I already have an LTSP server?
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<vagrantc>
Guest19075: well, you can't build the environment on an alien architecture ... typically
17:34
Guest19075: however, with some magic, newer versions of qemu make that possible
17:34
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: build the environment... aka the chroot?
17:34
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: yes
17:34
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: is it possible that I can install edubuntu ppc onto a mac... build a chroot through the standard ltsp-build-image --arch=powerpc (or whatever the full command was), build the chroot, and put it on my external drive and dump it back on the intel server?
17:34
vagrantc: then update image, update ssh keys, and call it a day?
17:35
or am I dreaming?
17:35
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: yes, that should be possible
17:35
<Guest19075>
you think that's all there is to it?
17:35
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: you'll probably have to tweak your dhcp configuration to distinguish between the macs and non-macs, but yeah
17:35
<Guest19075>
or would additional configuring be required?
17:36
<vagrantc>
or just set up a mac-specific network, to keep it simple
17:36
<Guest19075>
I have a feeling all of our clients would be ppc machines if we can get this to work.
17:36
however they'd be on the main network throughout the building
17:37
but a nice little vlan and perhaps that would make things more efficient
17:37
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: with really recent versions of qemu-user-static on debian, you can just do --arch=powerpc on an i386 server and it "just works"
17:38
not sure if ubuntu has all the right hooks for that, though.
17:38
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: for what... building the image?
17:38
taking out the need for a native ppc install to copy?
17:38
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: yeah, with qemu-user-static, you don't even need to install on the native architecture
17:38
that's a pretty recent development, though
17:39
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: so are you saying I (in theory) should be able to install debian + ltsp and set up ltsp like normal, except --arch=powerpc, and call it a day?
17:39
<vagrantc>
Guest19075: yes, but not in the stable version of debian yet
17:39
and it still will require tweaks to dhcp
17:39
<Guest19075>
do you know which version has it?
17:39
ah
17:39
so it's not completely fool proof
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<vagrantc>
not completely... but the hardest parts are done.
17:40
i wouldn't recommend that just yet, though
17:40
<Guest19075>
what hard parts would be done?
17:40
all it would take away is the need for a native install
17:40
<vagrantc>
building the image
17:40
native install + native server is the easiest most sure-fire way, although even that requires tweaking dhcp
17:40
<Guest19075>
the native install is only to get the chroot copied, right? Once done I could nuke it and be done with it.
17:41
<vagrantc>
native install + copying is probably your second easiest
17:41
<Guest19075>
that's what I'm thinking to do
17:41
<vagrantc>
native install is to *create* the chroot
17:41
<Guest19075>
I'd like to stick with ubuntu 64 bit if at all possible.
17:41
I'd probably just install linux ppc on this powerbook, create the chroot, copy to external, and plop this laptop back on the shelf.
17:41
then plug the chroot into ltsp and update it.
17:42
I assume https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup has all of the dhcp tweaks I'd need?
17:42
<vagrantc>
but then most maintenance has to be done on the native machine still... that's the downside ... you can't just chroot and upgrade packages and such
17:42
<Guest19075>
I see. So I'd still have a need for it for future use.
17:42
But it's not like I'd have to have the PPC box sitting there, online, connected to LTSP
17:43
<vagrantc>
yes, that's an option
17:43
<Guest19075>
so then let me ask this
17:43
let's sya I have a 64 bit intel server with a powerpc chroot.
17:43
and I install audacity
17:43
<vagrantc>
or just running a powerpc machine, but telling it to connect to a different application server (i.e.. your amd64 machine)
17:43
<Guest19075>
traditionally audacity magically pops up on the thin clients radar as an accessible application
17:43
what happens if the chroot is ppc?
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<vagrantc>
Guest19075: as long as you're running thin clients, you're logged into the server. arch of the thin client doesn't matter.
17:44
<Guest19075>
okay, good good
17:44
that will make it easier
17:44
<vagrantc>
anyways, i'd best get to other things
17:45
hope that's helpful
17:45
<Guest19075>
vagrantc: it was. you're the man.
17:45
thank you for your time
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<dgroos>
mgariepy: Finally got menus I wanted (and did the write up!)
19:00
The write up is the top entry at http://groosd.blogspot.com
19:00
Thanks for your help.
19:01
What are your thoughts about developing edubuntu-menueditor?
19:01
continue? drop?
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<highvoltage>
ooh, we should link to that from the edubuntu website
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<dgroos>
oh-oh, then it has to be good...
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<highvoltage>
I already tweeted/dented/faced it from the Edubuntu account :)
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<dgroos>
ouch!
19:10
dented?
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<highvoltage>
http://identi.ca/edubuntu
19:12
well I guess ping.fm still needs to push it there :)
19:14
(or http://jonathancarter.org/2009/05/11/what-is-dented/)
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<dgroos>
highvoltage: got it, thanks.
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<mgariepy>
dgroos, i'm pretty sure we should continue for as long as it work.
19:51
would be nice to have a command line interface for profile manager
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<dgroos>
mgariepy: cool. It really is a useful thing, just a little complicated when it comes to fatclients.
19:57
<mgariepy>
yeah.
19:57
i still do it by hand in many cases ;)
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<dgroos>
:)
19:58
<mgariepy>
do you know python ?
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<dgroos>
Just like Kung-fu, they are good friends of mine, Well, actually no, not at all :(
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<dgroos>
I just do the education side of technology...
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<alkisg>
Fat clients are complicated... I hope we can make the fat chroot maintainable with vbox, this would make it much easier, to install programs, set gconf settings, apply menus etc
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