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Channel log from 3 August 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<muppis>
I know this is not LTSP related, but anyone familiar with preseeding? I know how to set http proxy for apt during installation, but how I make it permanent?
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<branchman>
hello, how to solve this error during diskless network boot please? "nbd0:Negotiation: ..size = 4kb[newline]bs=1024, sz=4". It just freezes on this line
07:38
<alkisg>
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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What does this tell you?
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<branchman>
3 lines, wait for pastebin few seconds pls
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http://pastebin.com/WZPtsyDJ
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<alkisg>
OK, now try this: ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images
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(you can paste up to 3 lines here)
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<branchman>
i don't have there amd64
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only -rw-r--r-- 2 root root 541M 2010-08-03 12:16 i386.img
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<alkisg>
OK. Now, try: grep 200 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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(or if that doesn't work, grep -i append /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default)
07:45
<branchman>
append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2001
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<alkisg>
Hmmm... and: grep pxelinux.0 /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<branchman>
filename "/pxelinux.0"; (padded)
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<alkisg>
Ah. No /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 ?
07:47
<branchman>
no, should I add it there?
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<alkisg>
Can you post your whole /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin?
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<branchman>
http://pastebin.com/TzAPbkRd
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<alkisg>
Yes change the paths to include /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 (or nbd.img)
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Then: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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<branchman>
ok
07:49
and question: how will it know, where is /ltsp ? (it is in /opt)
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<alkisg>
Is that Lucid?
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<branchman>
no, maverick
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<alkisg>
grep TFTP_DIRECTORY /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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(it should say: TFTP_DIRECTORY="/var/lib/tftpboot")
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So the resulting directory would be /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
07:51
<branchman>
alkisg: ok, I changed it according to some text on internet, I will try to change it back
07:52
<alkisg>
Ugh, those ubuntuforums are really bad for ltsp :)
07:52
Prefer the mailing list or the irc logs
07:52
<vagrantc>
it should work with /srv/tftp alternately
07:52
i mean, i think all our scripts handle that
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<alkisg>
Sure, as long as this directory exists, but I don't think tftpd-hpa in Lucid/Maverick create it
07:54
...it was agreed that Ubuntu would stick to /var/lib/tftpboot as the default for tftp...
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<branchman>
alkisg: but tftpd-hpa does not want to restart now... restart: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.55" (uid=1000 pid=4300 comm="restart) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Restart" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
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<alkisg>
branchman: tftp is an upstart job, so try: sudo restart tftpd-hpa
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If it fails, paste your /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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<branchman>
alkisg: ok, it restarted (is "service tftpd-hpa restart" deprecated?)
07:56
<alkisg>
I believe so, every services that get upstartified should be invoked with the upstart tools instead of `service` or `invoke-rc.d` etc...
07:57
branchman: do you have a /srv/tftp directory?
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<branchman>
alkisg: no
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<alkisg>
OK, go on with the changes...
07:58
(in other words, just restore all the files to their original values :))
07:59
<branchman>
ok, thanks for now, I will try to reinstall it and then ask again
08:06
<alkisg>
branchman: no need to reinstall anything... do you need the original configuration files?
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<branchman>
alkisg: I hope I reinstalled it, but it writes only TFTP timeout
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alkisg: maybe I deleted something I shouldn't
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<alkisg>
branchman: sudo status tftpd-hpa
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cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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ls -lha /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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Paste all those to pastebin
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(along with your new dhcpd.conf - did you restart dhcpd?)
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<branchman>
alkisg: so I forgot to install tftpd-hpa, I am going to reboot
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<alkisg>
As you wish, but it shouldn't be necessary.
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<branchman>
alkisg: I think client
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<branchman>
alkisg: it boots (at least it seems to do so) :-)
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<alkisg>
Nice :)
08:12
See? The defaults are much better than what ubuntuforums suggest... :D
08:13
<branchman>
alkisg: yes, I see now - how long should the boot take?
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<alkisg>
(I don't know if you actually use those, I've just seen some horrible advice there)
08:13
Anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 minutes, depending on the client speed
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<branchman>
alkisg: ok, so maybe after 5 minutes I will come back :-) (but I hope I won't have to)
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<alkisg>
If it stucks in the ubuntu logo, remove "quiet splash" from pxelinux.cfg/default and reboot the client.
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<branchman>
ok
08:18
alkisg: so it seems to hang up after "Negotiation: ..size = 4kb[newline]bs=1024, sz=4[newline][ time] nbd0: "
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<alkisg>
branchman: that usually means that inetd.conf exports a directory or a symlink instead of the actual i386.img file
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<branchman>
alkisg: /etc/default/tftpd-hpa http://pastebin.com/VDVVhfaN
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<alkisg>
tftpd-hpa looks ok, check /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/inetd.conf
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<branchman>
alkisg: dhcpcd http://pastebin.com/0r78rY6B (seems ok for me)
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<alkisg>
yes (I supposed dhcp3-server was restarted after the change...)
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<branchman>
alkisg: inetd except comments http://pastebin.com/2cV16U6u - ok, I am going to restart it
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<alkisg>
branchman: to restart inetd: sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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finally, also paste /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<branchman>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/bafM5SYw
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<alkisg>
OK, everything looks fine. OK, do a restart and see if the problem persists.
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<branchman>
alkisg: ok, restarting client
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<redbaritone>
Last night, I went over to my daughter's school to try to figure out how I hosed my LTSP system.
08:25
I went through the Xorg.*.log files and auth.log files. No help, there.
08:25
<branchman>
negotiation line and bs line is there...
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<alkisg>
branchman: can you restart the server, to verify that all services were restarted?
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<branchman>
alkisg: but nothing more so far; ok, I am going to restart server (my PC - I will be offline for some seconds)
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<redbaritone>
However, I did notice that "gnome" was no longer an option, in the list of desktops, on the bottom of the password screen. (???)
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<redbaritone>
Could I have hosed gnome?
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<branchman>
alkisg: it still writes only "[time] nbd0:"
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<alkisg>
branchman: try replacing "quiet splash" in pxelinux.cfg/default with "break=mount"
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Reboot the client. You'll get a busybox shell.
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<alkisg>
Try this command there: nbd-client 1.2.3.4 2000 /dev/nbd0
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(where 1.2.3.4 == server-ip)
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<branchman>
alkisg: "Other side returned error" and "Buffer I/O error /dev/nbd0, sector xy"
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<alkisg>
Ugh that doesn't sound good
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<branchman>
alkisg: same with block; It could not read partition table
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<alkisg>
The partition table isn't a problem
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But it should say size=504MB, not size=4k
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<branchman>
alkisg: are there more configs, that I have not shown to you (and so did not repaired) and can be messed?
08:35
<alkisg>
branchman: no, those should suffice, unless you have some other ltsp server around too
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<branchman>
alkisg: do I have to install nfs, or it is all installed by default?
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<alkisg>
branchman: no nfs needed
08:45
<branchman>
alkisg: ok, I am rebuilding chroot, I hope it helps
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<alkisg>
branchman: ah, now I remember
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Did you also happen to change the nbd-server configuration/
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?
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I.e. did you create an /etc/nbd-server file?
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(or is it /etc/default/nbd-server? I don't remember)
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<branchman>
alkisg: maybe, yes, /etc/nbd-server/config is there, but it is blank
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alkisg: should I delete it?
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<alkisg>
branchman: delete that file, stop nbd-server, and restart inetd
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<branchman>
alkisg: ok
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<alkisg>
That was probably the main cause of the problem
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<branchman>
alkisg: good job, it boots :-); did you study source code to get these ideas?
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<alkisg>
Er, no, I knew about those files even before studying the ltsp code
08:53
The main idea is, don't start changing whatever you see in the web because that makes it worse, try to pinpoint the problem instead :)
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<branchman>
alkisg: I begin with it only because I though ltsp it not diskless by default, so I found diskless guide
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<redbaritone>
Is there anything wrong with installing or removing an application from a client machine? (Removing with apt-get remove) Provided you're using your admin account, of course.
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<alkisg>
If you mean "while logged on on a thin client" then you're actually on the server, so no difference there.
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<redbaritone>
That's what I thought. I'm a bit skittish after hosing gnome, however. Must have been a fluke.
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<jdahlin>
I have a question about ltsp, is the dbus system bus run on the server or each client?
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<alkisg>
jdahlin: The clients do have a dbus daemon running, but that's unrelated to the session. I.e. the session dbus runs on the server, and communicates with the system dbus running on the server again.
10:01
Why the question? Any problems with dbus?
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<jdahlin>
alkisg: I'm not running LTSP myself, I need to fix my software so it runs under ltsp and I need a way to uniquely identify each client machine
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<alkisg>
echo $LTSP_CLIENT should produce a unique ip
10:02
Which software?
10:02
<jdahlin>
it's an ERP for the brazilian market
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<alkisg>
OK. An easy way is to check for the LTSP_CLIENT env var, it should contain the client ip
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<jdahlin>
yeah, that sounds about right
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<alkisg>
But normally you wouldn't need to detect which client the user connects from...
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...as the app runs on the server
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E.g. suppose someone uses VNC to connect from computer A to computer B, and runs your app from computer B. Would it interest you to know that he is connected with vnc from computer A?
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<jdahlin>
It's necessary to know because of fiscal reasons, to be able to print receipts you need to use a special hardware which is connected to the client machine
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<alkisg>
Wouldn't PRINTER_0_DEVICE (in lts.conf) suffice for that? But anyway, if $LTSP_CLIENT suits you, np. :)
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<jdahlin>
alkisg: nah, we have our own printer drivers, we just talk over the serial port
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<AndyGraybeal>
i've gone from ubuntu 8.10 w/ gnome to 10.04 w/ gnome. I did a fresh install. one thing that i'm having problems with is some computers (the old ones) work just fine, and other computers (the new ones) don't work quite as well. for instance, one new one gets to the LDM login screen, but when i try to login, it thinks for a second like it's going ot bring up my userspace, but takes me right back to the login screen. what do you thi
10:38
oh, this worked just fine with 8.10 w/ gnome.
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<alkisg>
jdahlin: ok, but remember that your program will be running on the server and the serial port will be on the client, so you'd need to "forward" that port to the server. PRINTER_0_DEVICE does exactly that.
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AndyGraybeal: while your sentence was cutted after "what do you thi", try to see if it's a compiz problem
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!compiz
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<AndyGraybeal>
ah i didn't realize i had compiz installed
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let me see, evil compiz.
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<alkisg>
It's preinstalled
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<AndyGraybeal>
thank you alkisg
10:49
can i uninstall it and things will be fine?
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<alkisg>
See the command I pasted above
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<AndyGraybeal>
okay thank you
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<jdahlin>
alkisg: PRINTER_0_DEVICE is for parallel port isn't it? if it were for serial it would be perfect
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<alkisg>
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<alkisg>
jdahlin: see the man page, it supports serial printers
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<AndyGraybeal>
alkisg: success! your wonderfully awesome.
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<alkisg>
You're welcome (damn compiz) :)
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<jdahlin>
alkisg: excellent, that'll be much easier than setting up socat myself
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<alkisg>
(you could also use LDM_SSHOPTIONS to forward a port with ssh instead of socat)
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<AndyGraybeal>
okay, another ignorant question; i chroot'd to /opt/ltsp/i386 but when i vim /etc/initramfs-tools/modules -- i get vim command not found. i assume i have to apt-ge install vim - one question though is do i have to rebuild the image?
11:57
i'm following these instructions on how to get an eeepc to boot on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/making-asus-eeepc-work-for-ubuntu-ltsp
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<alkisg>
AndyGraybeal: outside of the chroot, run: sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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It's easier this way
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To add modules, maybe this page will help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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<toothbru1h>
hi, anyone there? :)
13:11
having some issues with Ubuntu 10.04 LTSP
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<alkisg>
!question
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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<toothbru1h>
ah thanks
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well, I've done a clean install off the Lucid Ubuntu 10.04 alternate cd, with the "install LTSP server" option
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the docs said thin clients can then boot immediately, but they don't
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they get DHCP, then lots of dots and "done." follow, then they hang
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no real info when trying to google the problem
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<alkisg>
toothbru1h: they get dhcp? Do they load pxelinux.0?
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<stefandebacker>
how does a client know if it's fat or thin in edubuntu ltsp?
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<toothbru1h>
not sure how to check that? DHCP works, yes, but don't know about pxelinux.0
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<stefandebacker>
they get dhcp
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<alkisg>
toothbru1h: see that picture, pxelinux shows there: http://www.yourwarrantyisvoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/pxelinux-boot.bmp
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So if you see those "Trying to load..." lines, they load pxelinux.0
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<stefandebacker>
and as you know i boot with that disk
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I haven't configure the server yet, I am first trying to figure out what is posible
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<toothbru1h>
ah, yes, I got that when I commented out the other option in dhcpd.conf, but it says "loading aborted"
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<stefandebacker>
I think they load pxelinux.0
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<alkisg>
stefandebacker: toothbru1h is asking for a different problem, he's not talking to you
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<toothbru1h>
alkisg: but when I leave the "if/else" (if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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<stefandebacker>
hum
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<alkisg>
Don't mix the two problems :)
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<toothbru1h>
hehe, okay :)
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I have one client working now,
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but another doesn't manage PXE
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<stefandebacker>
I am new to this IRC
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<alkisg>
No problem. Let's get this one by one.
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stefandebacker: a fat client is booted as fat, if a fat chroot was build,
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or if LTSP_FATCLIENT=True in lts.conf
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<stefandebacker>
ah
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<alkisg>
On the other hand, if LTSP_FATCLIENT=False, then it's booted as thin, even if a fat chroot is used
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<stefandebacker>
so I just have to set it in lts.conf
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<alkisg>
So you can put [MACADDRESS] stanzas in lts.conf to decide for each client.
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But, there's an easier way
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<stefandebacker>
even easier....
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<alkisg>
There's a new lts.conf directive, FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD. If you specify that =300, then all clients with RAM < 300 will be booted as thin, and others as fat.
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So if you use RAM to separate your thin/fat clients, that's the easiest way to do it
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<stefandebacker>
genial
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so I just follow the howto how to install a fat client on my edubuntu, specify the lts.conf
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and it should work?
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<alkisg>
Right
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<stefandebacker>
I think i can do that!
13:20
thanks!
13:20
did you get the 32mb clients to work?
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<toothbru1h>
so, about the PXE issue,
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my one client (the other 7 seem to work)
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hangs at Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default \\ Loading aborted.
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it stops with a "boot: _" prompt
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<vagrantc>
i'd recommend at *lest* 64MB of ram, though 128MB is a good deal better
13:21* alkisg brb
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<toothbru1h>
k
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<staffencasa>
could someone check something for me? I tried running ltsp-build-client with the --kiosk plugin and it's not working. I get an error that says /usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession doesn't exist. I checked and sure enough it doesn't. Is this something I did or is there a bug?
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<toothbru1h>
staffencasa: no, don't have that file here either
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<staffencasa>
toothbru1h, did you build a client with the --kiosk arg?
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<toothbru1h>
no, true, I didn't, sorry :)
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<staffencasa>
I see a lot of issues with video settings, too, but I thought I would figure out why this doesn't exist first
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<toothbru1h>
i must admit i'm rather a n00b with ltsp
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<staffencasa>
me too
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<staffencasa>
anybody know why this doesn't exist? /$CHROOT/usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession?
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "release" :: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: ^^ ?
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<staffencasa>
10.04
13:42
Xubuntu
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<alkisg>
toothbru1h: 7 clients are working fine, and 1 has problems?
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: ltsp-chroot dpkg -L ltsp-client-core | egrep kiosk
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<alkisg>
stefandebacker: no, I had to spend 2 days to get the 64MB clients to work, so I don't think I can do it with 32 MB :)
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<staffencasa>
vagrantc, I got one result: /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/kiosk
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<vagrantc>
seems like it's missing in the packaging...
13:47
staffencasa: you could manually download it from...
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<stefandebacker>
strange
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: what version is in the chroot?
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staffencasa: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*'
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just cut-and-paste the ltsp-client-core line
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<staffencasa>
lemme see, just a sec...
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<vagrantc>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/client/kioskSession
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<stefandebacker>
alkisg: windows 95 is fun to
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: that's the URL to download the file to install manually ... you'd have to run ltsp-update-image, too.
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<alkisg>
Heh. Deli linux + XDMCP is better :)
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<staffencasa>
vagrantc, 5.2.1-0ubuntu9 LTSP client environment (core)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: hrm?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: sorry, I was talking to stefandebacker
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<vagrantc>
ah
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<alkisg>
(continuing a conv from yesterday)
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(about clients with <=32 MB RAM)
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<staffencasa>
vagrantc, I'll give that a shot
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: or rather, there's a download link on that page
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: i'm not sure if that version is compatible with the version of ltsp-client-core you're running
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staffencasa: probably ok, but just giving a heads up
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<staffencasa>
it's on a test box anyways, so it's not a big deal
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<alkisg>
staffencasa: or, apt-get source ltsp && then get the kiosk file from the extracted dir...
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<vagrantc>
that's more likely to be compatible, yes...
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<staffencasa>
k, I'll try that first. Thanks for all your help!
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<staffencasa>
vagrantc, I wound up taking the one from the URL you posted and that seemed to work. thanks again!
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<vagrantc>
:)
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<sahil>
I have clients where sound was working fine and recently it completely sstoped, any ideas?
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<alkisg>
sahil: and if you reboot them it works again?
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<sahil>
alkisg: no it does not, its ver curious that it just stopped working
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we have two types of clients one works and one does not
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<alkisg>
sahil: did you update your kernels / chroot etc before it stopped working?
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<sahil>
perhaps-someone else was maintaining
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kernel update i can say confidently was done
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<alkisg>
distro/version?
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<sahil>
ubuntu 9.10
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just do a sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 ?
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<alkisg>
Try ls -lha /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386, is the date of initrd there the same as when the problems begun?
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Or, ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images
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<sahil>
and what am i looking for?
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<alkisg>
The date, if it was updated when the sound problem started
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3,9M 2010-06-11 15:53 vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic
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E.g. mine was updated 2 months ago
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<sahil>
my dates are pretty far back
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april
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lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2010-04-13 21:05 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic
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<alkisg>
Then no update was done, so it wasn't a problem with updates
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<sahil>
update done to core system?
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no impact?
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<alkisg>
I don't think so, except if pulseaudio API changed, which should be unprobable...
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<Luke_Wolf>
I've got a question, I'm planning on setting up wireless routers in the place of network switches should I be looking for anything with specific firmware or should just anything work?
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<johnny>
Luke_Wolf, for what?
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what does that have to do with ltsp?
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as there is no such thing as pxe booting via ltsp
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err via wireless
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so you won't be able to boot ltsp directly
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you would have to have your switches with wireless repeaters maybe.. but it would not be fast
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i wouldn't recommend it
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best to keep your wired switches, unless you mean something completely different
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<Luke_Wolf>
well what the concept is is to wire the router to the terminal and then connect to the router through the server connected to the router via wifi, because my client doesn't want to have it wired..
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<johnny>
then your client will deal with slow access
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and probably not want to use ltsp
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it might be fast enough for them, but ymmv
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i wouldn't expect it to work well
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<Luke_Wolf>
*shrugs* that was kind of a given.. my clients think this project is a DoD research project keeping asking "will it do x?" just minus the budget.. but will I require any specific firmware functionality or will just any router do like I'm thinking?
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<johnny>
well yo should buy one with good QoS ..
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i think i would reject the project tho.. so make sure you get return slips
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so you can return the routers
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who knows.. you might get lucky..
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<Luke_Wolf>
as much as that idea sounds good, we already accepted initial payment and got the parts for a majority of it, which would put us at a severe loss..
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<Lns>
Luke_Wolf: heh, well you better get the fastest wifi bridges/routers you can then, depending on how many stations you're talking about here
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<johnny>
Luke_Wolf, return it all :)
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i hope you got receipts for those
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<vagrantc>
!seen gadi
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 4 hours, 49 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Gadi> [GuS]: see: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg26734.html
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<vagrantc>
otavio: gadi's here!
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otavio: where are you?
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<vagrantc>
otavio: we'll find you, you can't hide...
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