IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<Nikopoika>
me too but ask anyway, i'll see if i can help
00:02
<gaga>
would like to set up ltsp 5 on mandriva 2007.0 but can't seem to find a step by step how to
00:03
is there a guide online I can refer to?
00:03
<Nikopoika>
heh, i have mandriva 2007.0 too :) but i'm using ltsp 4.2, i thought that ltsp 5 is still in some kind of "beta"-state
00:04
oh sorry, forgot to read topic
00:05
<gaga>
I see, well, ltsp 5 is working on ubuntu, but haven't tried it though, anyway, on the diskless workstation on 4.2, was it easy to connect an ipod and/or digital camera?
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<dberkholz>
ltsp 5 is only really working on debian/ubuntu so far
00:18
so other folks are still using 4.x
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<gaga>
i see, thanks
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<cyberorg>
can anyone tell if this is right way to specify lib dir path? greeter = subprocess.Popen(["/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk", "/usr/lib64/ltsp/greeters/gtk"], i want it to check in either lib or lib64 as 64bit suse uses /usr/lib64 as default lib path
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02:04
<bao>
my dell laptop INSPIRON 640m use broadcom 44x network card
02:04
it seems ltsp dosn't support it, any idea?
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02:16
<bao>
hi ogra
02:16
<ogra>
hey
02:16
<bao>
my dell laptop INSPIRON 640m use broadcom 44x network card
02:17
it seems ltsp dosn't support it, any idea?
02:17
<Q-FUNK>
the 43xx driver might support it
02:17
<bao>
how do I do? using 43xx?
02:17
<Q-FUNK>
yup
02:17
<bao>
in dhcpd.conf?
02:18
<Q-FUNK>
but generally speaking, broadcom hardware is not well supported, because broadcom refuses to publish their specs.
02:19
<bao>
en
02:19
I know broadcom is not nice
02:19
but dell claims its laptop can run linux
02:20
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy#head-d2623559f21cb2d6373aaa3a17dece9d8f2abb50
02:20
bao, see that
02:20
<bao>
oh, thank you very much
02:20
<ogra>
you need to use fwcutter to obtain the firmware
02:20
then the builting bcm43xx driver should just work
02:21
*builtin
02:21
<bao>
firmware?
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<cyberorg>
hi ogra
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<bao_>
hi orga
02:54
hello
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<bao>
hello
02:55
hi orga
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04:03
<trust-server_>
hello, i have a problem with edubuntu 7.04 and ltsp. every client is able to connect to the server, but now i'm trying to boot from a toshiba notebook (with a marvell 88e8036 pci-e network-card), it shows the bootsplash, and after that te screen is freezing...
04:04
after i've turned off the splash screen, there was the following error-message:
04:04
ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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ipconfig: no device to configure
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Kernel panic
04:06
help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:09
<str4nd_>
Troll...
04:09
<Burgundavia>
not really
04:10
somebody frustrated
04:10
<trust-server_>
yes
04:11
<yanu>
maybe the marvell-chipset is not supported in the ltsp-kernel
04:12
<trust-server_>
i also think so
04:13
but i've already included the "sk98lin"-module into the /etc/modules file and into the lts.conf....
04:13
<sep>
trust-server_, check what driver the chipset uses. check if the provided kernel have that driver. if it don't you must upgrade your kernel. if it does you should check if the initrd contains the driver. if it does not. you must rebuild the initrd and include that driver.
04:14
<trust-server_>
should i copy the sk98lin.ko into the initrd directory?
04:19
<sep>
no, you should edit etc/initramfs-tools/modules and recrete the initrd (i usualy do that with dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version)
04:19
adjust acording if you use a different initrd script.
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04:21
<trust-server_>
thank you... i'm checking that now
04:23
mh... that won't work
04:23
<sep>
trust-server_, works for me
04:24
<trust-server_>
i also can't run the lsmod command... it says there is no /proc/modules file
04:24
<sep>
you probably have not mounted proc
04:25
<trust-server_>
the folder is empty...
04:27
how can i mount proc?
04:29
<cyberor1>
mount --bind /proc /whereever
04:29
<trust-server_>
i've got it
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<trust-server_>
lsmod shows the sk98lin module...
04:31
trying to boot the laptop...
04:31
kernel panic
04:34
i really dont know what i should do...
04:35
ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No Such Device
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ipconfig: no devices to configure
04:36
Kernel-Panic - not syncing...
04:37
its working with any other pc or notebook... i can't explain that..
04:46
thanx @all .... fuck toshiba
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06:02
<Bhaskar1>
i have Canon LBP 2900 printer with k12ltsp Fedora , not supporting , any solution
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06:05
<IRCzito>
Good Morning :-)
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07:14
<Mineque>
hello
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07:18
<Mineque>
i have problem with setting up localdev (usb-storage)
07:18
linux gentoo, ltsp 4.2
07:19
i've read howto on wiki-gentoo.com and wiki.ltsp.org but it doesnt work
07:19
fuse must be as module?
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07:27
<cliebow>
Mineque, have you done the twelve step program?
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07:27
<cliebow>
sbalneav:feeling better i hope?
07:28
<sbalneav>
cliebow: Ugh, not 100%, thats for sure
07:29
<cliebow>
btu finctional anyway..i worry about my kids when they are away fro m home
07:29
<Mineque>
cliebow: restart server or client?
07:29
<cliebow>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
07:31
best thing you cann do is dod the steps and post the results succinctly on pastebot.ltsp.org..perhaps scotty will take a lok when you do..
07:32
<Mineque>
cliebow: "Step 9: Is the fuse module loaded?" i dont have module for fuse, i have it hard selected in kernel
07:33
<cliebow>
i aam not sure ..is /dev/fuse created..and with proper perms?
07:35
there are a couple gentooistas around...dberkholz i think..
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07:39
<Mineque>
so i need to wait :)
07:40
dev/fuse exist with 660 perms
07:40
maybe i must set 666?
07:41
<cliebow>
if you have not created members of the fuse group..set to 666 1
07:42
/1/!
07:43
<marek82>
isit possible ltsp integrate somehow with vnc..
07:44
i am trying to get session save to wrk..
07:44
as in vnc it wrks...
07:44
<Mineque>
it's quite weird because i dont have fuse group...
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07:52
<cliebow>
you prob would have to create it'
07:52
<juaquim_XVII>
hi all
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07:55
<Mineque>
like a windows.. testing=rebooting :P
07:56
<cliebow>
No NO nOOOO
07:56
8~)
07:56
<anrke>
hello
07:56
<Mineque>
cliebow: heh
08:00
so lets make a test :)
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08:00
<juaquim_XVII>
Does anybody know if this line in lts.conf, is OK ? => [macchine_host-name] SCREEN_01 = telnet -l login_user 192.168.0.1 23
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<juaquim_XVII>
[macchine_host-name]
08:01
SCREEN_01 = telnet -l login_user 192.168.0.1 23
08:01
<mhterres>
morning
08:01
<juaquim_XVII>
morning...
08:03
<cliebow>
juaquim_XVII, do you have a telnet script in /etc/screen.d?
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<cliebow>
assuming this is 4.2
08:05
<J45p3r_>
cliebow: do you have any hard drives on your desk that I could steal (that are worth stealing)?
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08:05
<cliebow>
there is a 15 there..the 40 has no mbr imho
08:06
<J45p3r_>
I can have until we get more?
08:06
<cliebow>
and maybe a 30..it is possible the little emqachine has a lose one
08:06
sure..
08:06
<juaquim_XVII>
I m goining to look this, one minute please... cliebow
08:06
<J45p3r_>
thx, just didn't wanna nab one if it was important
08:07
<cliebow>
there is nothing there you cant have...i see my brother in Bucksport later opn..
08:07
everything is good with him...
08:09
<juaquim_XVII>
Yes, I have a telnet script in screen.d..... cliebow
08:10
<Guaraldo>
good morning
08:11
<juaquim_XVII>
morning
08:12
<sbalneav>
juaquim_XVII: What happens when you try this?
08:13
<cliebow>
SCREEN_01 = telnet server2.mydomain.com
08:13
You can also specify any options that Telnet understands, But, if you do specify any options, then you
08:13
must also specify the server to connect to.
08:14
<juaquim_XVII>
Automatic user login on diskless, understand me ?
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<Guaraldo>
juaquim_XVII: It's not safe...
08:15
juaquim_XVII: you'll not know who is doing what...
08:15
<sbalneav>
juaquim_XVII: They'll still have to enter their password.
08:18
<juaquim_XVII>
look this, free password => user::1001:100:,,,:/home/dir_user:/bin/bash (etc/passwd)
08:18
<anrke>
Hello. I bought two LTSP Term 1220 PXE Thin Client. My server is a Debian
08:18
Etch with ltsp5.
08:18
When I want to start the 1220 PXE Thin Client, I have this series of messages
08:18
http://fr.pastebin.ca/raw/477062
08:19
<sbalneav>
juaquim_XVII: is this machine connected to the internet?
08:19
<anrke>
When I test the server LTP5 with a PC without hard disk, all functions correctly .
08:20
<sbalneav>
anrke: You haven't got your dhcp or tftp properly going, looks like...
08:21
<juaquim_XVII>
No, no, only in local area....
08:22
<sbalneav>
So, I'm confused. Is this not working for you?
08:23
<anrke>
sbalneav : Then why that functions with a PC and not with my Thin Client
08:24
I does not understand
08:24
<sbalneav>
anrke: Not sure, can you paste your dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot?
08:24
!pastebot
08:24
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:24
<sbalneav>
juaquim_XVII: So, is the telnet line working?
08:25
<juaquim_XVII>
Yes...
08:25
<ltsppbot>
"anrke" pasted "ddns-update-style none; max-le" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/122
08:26
<anrke>
sbalneav : http://pastebot.ltsp.org/122
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: He wants the clients telneting without password need... I think it's not a good idea and I don't now if it's possible...
08:27
<sbalneav>
It will work. It's a very, VERY bad idea, but it will work.
08:28
<genjix>
hi!
08:28
<sbalneav>
anrke: Hmmm
08:28
You might need the "next server" directive
08:29
let me check the syntax
08:29
<anrke>
sbalneav : it is a serious doctor ?
08:30
<sbalneav>
anrke: I assume the server is on 192.168.0.254?
08:30
<anrke>
no the server is 192.168.0.5
08:30
<sbalneav>
ok
08:31
<anrke>
192.168.0.254 it the gateway
08:32
<sbalneav>
try adding the line (after "authoritative"):
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next-server 192.168.0.5;
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and restart your dhcpd.conf file
08:32
sorry
08:32
restart the dhcp3-server
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<anrke>
sbalneav : i try
08:32
<sbalneav>
invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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<anrke>
sbalneav : ok
08:33
sbalneav : I test
08:42
it goes, but I have a problem with the screen. The view of the screen is not supported. H:90.1Khz V:60.1Hz
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<petre>
morning all
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08:51
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hey, i'm working on the gphoto-ltspfs spec ... you still want to fill in the technical details?
08:52
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Sure
08:52
<petre>
sbalneav: you guys still in Spain?
08:52
<sbalneav>
anrke: You'll have to play with the lts.conf settings for X and Y horizontal frequencies.
08:53
petre: Yep.
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<petre>
'til when?
08:53
<sbalneav>
'till sunday
08:54
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GphotoLtspfs
08:54
sbalneav: please review the content i've added and make changes or suggestions :)
08:54
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: OK, I'll look at it today or this evening.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: thanks :)
08:57
<anrke>
sbalneav : ok
08:58
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i didn't add anything in the implementation section.
08:59
<sbalneav>
That's fine, I'll fake^H^H^H^Hfudge^H^H^H^H^Hfill in that section.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i'll review whatever you put in there in case you miss something
09:12
<anrke>
sbalneav : you is best the thank you very much
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09:21
<jkommeri>
sbalneav: you helped me once with ltspfs. Do you know what is the procedure after I stick a usb-memory into thin client
09:23
sbalneav: I am able to mount the usb-stick manually but i would like it to happen automatically when I insert it
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<Mineque>
jkommeri: how you do that your pendrive works? :D
09:26
jkommeri: which distro?
09:26
<jkommeri>
ubuntu feisty
09:26
I use ltspfs
09:27
I thought earlier that fuse would not work in xen but it seems to work now
09:32
<Mineque>
hmm
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<jkommeri>
Mineque: shouldn't it mount the stick automatically?
09:58
<Guaraldo>
jkommeri: yep, it should...
10:00
jkommeri: maybe you put the line "mount -a" at the end of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/scripts/ltsp-device.sh
10:00
jkommeri: maybe it resolve your problem...
10:01
<jkommeri>
I don't have that directory
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<Guaraldo>
jkommeri: LTSP4.2 or 5?
10:02
<jkommeri>
5?
10:02
I mean 5
10:02
<Guaraldo>
jkommeri: Oh, so it should mount automaticaly...
10:04
<Mineque>
jkommeri: maybe... mine doesnt work :/
10:05
<jkommeri>
Guaraldo: for some reason the usb-stick is not mounted when it is inserted
10:06
there is a message in dmesg that a usb-device is attached
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<jkommeri>
and in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/usbmount.rules
10:08
there is a rule that uses a command that does not exist
10:09
RUN+="/usr/share/usbmount/usbmount add"
10:09
should I install something to the nfsroot?
10:13
sorry, my bad. I was reading usbmount.rules on a wrong machine :(
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<sutula>
vagrantc: Do you know what the status of sound is for the ltsp-server package in Debian Etch?
10:19
vagrantc: What I'm seeing is that the client's kernel has /proc/asound entries, but udev isn't building /dev/dsp, so esd won't run on the client
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<vagrantc>
sutula: hmmm... it's been a long while since i've tested sound.
10:21
sutula: you might need to load the oss compatibility modules
10:22
sutula: or libesd-alsa00
10:22
er
10:22
sutula: or libesd-alsa0
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<sutula>
vagrantc: This seems to be more related to getting a valid /dev/dsp on the client, but I'm not sure
10:24
vagrantc: I can keep working on it...just was wondering if there was some "oh yeah, you need to turn on xyz"
10:24
vagrantc: Is the client kernel basically a stock Debian kernel?
10:33
<Mineque>
Step 11: "/usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh add block /tmp 1024 Temp" receive "Authentication Failed"
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<sbalneav>
Mineque: What version of LTSP are you using?
10:35
And on what host?
10:35
<Mineque>
4.2
10:35
gentoo
10:36
i've checked permissions to fusermount...
10:38
<sbalneav>
What do you get for setp 4?
10:38
step, sorry
10:39
<jkommeri>
sbalneav: what are the scripts that handle automatic mounting of usb-sticks
10:39
<sbalneav>
jkommeri: There's a bunch of them
10:39
<Mineque>
sbalneav: ws191.ltsp
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<sbalneav>
And what does your DISPLAY variable day for a hostname?
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<jkommeri>
sbalneav: i don't know where to start searching for the problem
10:41
<sbalneav>
jkommeri: You could start by actually giving me some useful information, like, what version of LTSP are you running, what host are you running, what isn't working, etc.
10:41
<jkommeri>
sbalneav: ltsp5 ubuntu feisty
10:42
<Mineque>
sbalneav: ws191.ltsp:0.0
10:42
<sbalneav>
jkommeri: How did you install ltsp5?
10:42
<jkommeri>
sbalneav: usb-sticks wont mount automatically but they can be mounted manually
10:42
<sbalneav>
Mineque: You could always try starting ltspfsd on the client with the -a option, which would disable auth.
10:43
jkommeri: Did you do an apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone?
10:43
<jkommeri>
sbalneav: I installed ltsp from ubuntu package ltsp-server-standalone
10:44
<vagrantc>
sutula: yes, it should be a stock debian kernel
10:44
<sbalneav>
Then you did an ltsp-build-client?
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<jkommeri>
sbalneav: yes
10:44
<sbalneav>
which user are you running as?
10:44
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sbalneav: hi ;)
10:45
<sbalneav>
have you added yourself to the fuse group?
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<sbalneav>
at a command prompt, type "id"
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<sbalneav>
hello kaminski-ltsp-br
10:46
<jkommeri>
sbalneav: I have
10:46
<Mineque>
kaminski-ltsp-br: from PL? :) (nick sound like from poland)
10:46
<sbalneav>
jkommeri: What does your lts.conf file look like?
10:47
<jkommeri>
sbaelneav: I have enabled localdevices
10:47
<sbalneav>
jkommeri: paste it to the pastebot please
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"jkommeri" pasted "lts.conf" (36 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/123
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<sbalneav>
jkommeri: There's your problem.
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<jkommeri>
sbaelnaev: where?
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<sbalneav>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LtspSshXdmcpLocaldev
10:49
You have SCREEN_07 = startx
10:49
localdevices don't work over XDMCP
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only over LDM
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<jkommeri>
sbaelnev: ok
10:50
I had some difficulties using ldm
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<jkommeri>
sbalneav: for some reason I am not able log into the xdm-server and I can't find the reason in any logs
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<sbalneav>
did you run ltsp-update-sshkeys after you built the chroot?
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<jkommeri>
sbalneav: how should I do it if the ltsp access server is not the same as xdm-server?
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sbalneav: no I did not run that
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<jkommeri>
should I?
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<sbalneav>
So, I'm confused.
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<jkommeri>
:)
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<sbalneav>
Where are you wanting the session on?
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The LTSP server?
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Or do you have a central XDMCP server somewhere you're wanting everyone to log into?
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<jkommeri>
the machine that has the ltsp installation is different from the machine that has gdm/gnome etc
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<sbalneav>
I don't beleive we support that.
10:56
As yet.
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<nicoAMG>
hello!; What's the state of LTSP on Ubuntu 7.04?
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<sbalneav>
No, I don't think we have an SSH_HOST variable.
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<jkommeri>
works
10:58
ok
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<sbalneav>
nicoAMG: Your question's a little open ended.
10:58
What do you want to know?
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<nicoAMG>
Hmm, I want to know if the LTSP software is integrated or not?
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<jkommeri>
sbalneav: where does the ldm startup script take the ip it uses?
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for ssh connection
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<nicoAMG>
sbalneav: and, if it works with local devices an local sound..
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<sbalneav>
jkommeri: by default, it goes after the SERVER variable
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nicoAMG: yes, yes, and yes.
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<nicoAMG>
sbalneav: :)
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: and when it would be integrated in gentoo? :P
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in 2009.0 version? :P
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<sbalneav>
Mineque: When someone from gentoo does it :)
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<jkommeri>
nicoAMG: sounds in both directions
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: ehh so long? :P
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<sbalneav>
We had someone in here a couple of months ago who was working on on.
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Mineque: Switch to a good distro :P
11:02
Like Debian or Ubuntu :)
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: hehe i see little advocacy for ubuntu :P
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<sbalneav>
Ubuntu and Debian are actively working on LTSP5, so we're biased :)
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<Mineque>
back to usb-storage battlefield..
11:07
i run ltspfsd with -d option and i've got the same error
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:/
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<nicoAMG>
sbalneav: If i'm using Ubuntu 7.04, and i want to run a LTSP server, what LTSP distribution do you recommends, built-in or standard downloaded LTSP packages?
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
nicoAMG: you can use debian + ltsp5 via apt
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<jkommeri>
nicoAMG: works fine from packages
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sbalneav: so what should I hack to make the ldm work in my case?
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<nicoAMG>
kaminski-ltsp-br: Thanks, but i choose Ubuntu...
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jkommeri: o.k. Thanks!
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<vagrantc>
yes, we do support a different NFS server from an application server with LDM
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set SERVER= in lts.conf
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and then add the ssh keys ... somewhere
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add your ssh keys to ... (oh, this is ugly) ... /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.extra
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<jkommeri>
is that a default location?
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<jkommeri>
so need to make keys to application server and to nfsroot in access-server
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?
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<vagrantc>
you don't need to make keys, you just need to copy the .pub keys ...
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/etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key.pub
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<jkommeri>
which the thin client can use to make ssh connection to application server?
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<vagrantc>
cat /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key.pub | sed -e 's,^,SERVER ,g'
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it is just a validation option
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so that someone doesn't pretend to be your server and steal your password
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<jkommeri>
ok
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<vagrantc>
ssh requires it by default
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<jkommeri>
ok, thanks
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<jkommeri>
I think I can hack this :)
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but not today
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<vagrantc>
cat /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key.pub | sed -e 's,^,SERVER ,g' > SERVER.ssh_known_hosts
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and then .... for each SERVER.ssh_known_hosts file ... add the lines to /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.extra
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on the NFS server
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<jkommeri>
ok
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<vagrantc>
and run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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i think that'll work.
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<physis>
ltsp can be installed in any linux?
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archlinux for example
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<vagrantc>
there is only ltsp5 on debian and ubuntu so far
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but you can use a debian or ubuntu tarball on other distros
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<physis>
ok
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<vagrantc>
might have trouble getting all features to work, but the basics are possible
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!tarball
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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<Mineque>
re
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<rjent>
Greetings, I have a bk precision rom burner and I am curious if I can use Linux to burn pxe rom images with it instead of MSWin?
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<anivair>
So I just set up my ltsp server (again) and nobody can log in. it just dumps them back out to the login screen. Any suggestions?
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<nicoAMG>
anivair: Graphical logon problem or terminal loadig problem?
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<anivair>
they were logging into gui desktops, not terminals. And it's the graphican greeter, so I'd guess gui
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<nicoAMG>
anivair: Is the Desktop manager configured to support remote logons?
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<anivair>
wow, I'll feel really stupid if not. Let me check.
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<anivair>
umm . . . hmm . . . well . . .
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I'll just be in the corner now
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<nicoAMG>
Now. what...
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was fixed?
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<anivair>
Ok, I feel less dumb. Remote login wasn't enabled, but enabling it didn't solve the problem
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basically, they get the login screen, login, and then get dumped right back out ot it
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I tested it with my own local login . I know it works because I'm on it now
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<anivair>
so now I'm stumped
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again
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<nicoAMG>
anivair: :(
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<anivair>
yeah, that's about where I am
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<nicoAMG>
anivair: Are you using GDM?
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<anivair>
yes
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it's a default feisty system
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ubuntu
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<nicoAMG>
Hmm.. Have you configured XDMCP? on GDM Setup, remote tab
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<anivair>
nope
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what should my defaults look like there?
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<nicoAMG>
Please check it..
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<anivair>
let me try restarting gdm and all that and try again
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brb
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<nicoAMG>
mine is: Trust indirect requests enabled, port 177, 50 remote sessions
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<anivair>
that's what I just set mine to
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<anivair>
well, that was a good try, but no. Still dead
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it's happening right away. Black X, login screen, then there's about a second of loading and we're back to the black X
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<nicoAMG>
anivair: Please search: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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anivair: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/XDMCP
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<anivair>
checking
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nope, that was all good
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I'll drop an email out to the list and see if anyoner has a suggestion.
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<joebaker>
The X server autodetect chooses nv. The problem is that these are 1st generation RIVA128 integrated chipsets with only 4mb of shared ram.
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Can I simply rename the nv driver to become a symbolic link to the vesa driver?
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<anivair>
sure you can. You can also change the xorg.conf and tell lts.conf to use that one
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I'd save the vesa driver somewhere, though
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<joebaker>
thanks.
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I suppose I'll just create a custom stanza for the hostname. Hey maybe I should try running one of those new LTSP gui tools.
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I'm running Ubuntu 7.04 with it's LTSP.
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<kuzew>
joebaker: What gui tools?
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<joebaker>
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPManager Is this just vaporware?
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<joebaker>
http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/ltsp-manager <--- It's an Ubuntu Feisty package. But I've already setup my DHCP server and Lts.conf files.
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<joebaker>
Guess I'd better back those up before I install.
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<kuzew>
Thats neat.
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<anivair>
ltsp-manager looks cool. Too bad I can't make it run.
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this is not my day
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apparently it can't find the ltsp module. I think i ought to just go home for today
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<joebaker>
apt-get install python-ltsp
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anivair: see my last line
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<anivair>
RuntimeError: could not create GladeXML object
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<kuzew>
I'm installing it on debian...
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<anivair>
I'm telling you, if today was a race, I tripped and got shot by the starting gun
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<joebaker>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-manager/+bug/104894 Anivair.... Here's a useful bug report... the last paragraph shows a solution.
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Now a bunch of errors... where's a good pastebot?
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<anivair>
yeah, that got me closer, but still isn't working
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ahh well
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<joebaker>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-manager/ Let's see if one of the other bug listings here has any helpful tips...
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<fxrsliberty>
hey guys , having some initrd issues. anyone know of any special tricks or packages that need to be included?
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<joebaker>
Looks like that same issue with line 21 might appear again at: ltsp-manager line 5709 from the error message I'm seeing. Anivair: are you also running Feisty?
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<kuzew>
/bin/sh: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/inputattach: No such file or directory
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<anivair>
I am
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<kuzew>
Damn!
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<joebaker>
anivair: cool. I'll be back shortly. Kuzew. Did you get it to work?
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<Mineque>
hello
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<anivair>
umm . . . line 5709?
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<kuzew>
joebaker: Not quite yet, what I posted last is whats hanging me up.
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I'm just hopping if this tool will make it easier for me to get my sound and some local apps working correctly.
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<anivair>
so what line was that really?
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any clue?
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<mage>
do you guys custom patch for swap with nbd to work?
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<anivair>
i don't think so
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<joebaker>
mage... In LTSP 5 I don't believe nbd is used rather there's some new swap over network implementation .... I think it's called ltspfs but I could be wrong.
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I know the way swap files has been handled has changed though.
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<joebaker>
anivair... I guess that file is only about 200+ lines long... :)
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<anivair>
yup
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<mage>
awww hell
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<mage>
last time I used ltsp was version 3 :)
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<nicoAMG>
anivair: some fix ?
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<mage>
I thought ltspfs was for getting local storage to work
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<kuzew>
Mmm, yeah, thats what I thought.
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<joebaker>
Why do you need to know about the swap technique Mage?
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<mage>
firefox just looooves to waste ram
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running a hacky nfsroot
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<Mineque>
mage: use lynx it use little of ram :P
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<anivair>
I'm still not sure what line is causing the new error
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<joebaker>
Yes. You should have some swap available to run Firefox. I remember going to a page which had a huge background image and it would kill my x server.
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Mage: another way is to run vncserver on the server and run vncviewer with it's display directed to the thin client.
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Hey maybe I'm mistaken. I see option NBD_SWAP = True in my lts.conf file
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<mage>
Invoking swapoff on all 'nb*' files in /dev...
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ubuntu seems to know what im going to use it for :)
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<mage>
well I also want to run vmplayer, and it doesn't like /tmp being nfs, so I had to use tmpfs which resulted in it having two copies of the vm's ram, in ram
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<joebaker>
mage: That's interesting about vmplayer and /tmp.
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<joebaker>
mage: I've run VMWare inside a vncserver so that the guest OS could run un-interrupted.
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maybe that approach could help you? Full Screen didn't work back in version 4.5 from within a vncserver, although you could use other remote access tools talking directly to the guest OS.
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<mage>
I'm going to try nbd swap for now, and if that screws up, /tmp via nbd
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<lindi->
mage: i have used nbd with swap for years (not with ltsp)
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<joebaker>
lindi-: You've captured my interest... How do you use swap over nbd?
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<sepski>
joebaker, i use it by having nbd-server installed and working on the server and putting NBD_SWAP=Y in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<lindi->
joebaker: just normally? ;)
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joebaker: nbdclient ... ; swapon /dev/nd0
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<joebaker>
lindi-: I'm sorry I thought you said that you used it somewhere other than with LTSP.... Oh, you use the LTSP server as the swap device, but your client machine just executes the nbdclient command. I've thought about doing this with an old laptop of mine that can't expand beyond 192 MB of ram.
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<lindi->
joebaker: i don't use ltsp in any form
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<mage>
http://pastebin.ca/477712
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<mage>
my usage of ltsp depends on definition of what is ltsp :) I'm using like 80% of it though
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<yoho>
has anyone tried the ebox-2300 terminal?
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<Mineque>
dberkholz: are you there?
15:38
<dberkholz>
yes
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<Mineque>
i heard that you've got gentoo :)
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<dberkholz>
Mineque: hm?
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<Mineque>
ltsp installed on Gentoo OS :)
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<dberkholz>
Mineque: well, i've got an ongoing (slowly moving) project to port ltsp5 to gentoo. you can install 4.2 from portage already, just emerge ltsp
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i think there's even a doc for that
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<Mineque>
i've got it installed and writing from terminal, but i have little problem with mounting local dev like pendrives
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<dberkholz>
i can't help you with 4.2
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but that should be a fairly generic thing that anyone in here could try to troubleshoot who knows 4.2
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<Mineque>
not good...
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<joebaker>
LTSP 5 Bug.... XSERVER=vesa isn't working. It's still creating an xorg.conf file with driver nv.
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<Mineque>
dberkholz: and how about status of porting ltsp5?
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<joebaker>
lindi-: I have some servers with LOTS of unused RAM. I've often thought of making RAM disks accessable via nbd. An interesting way of increasing swap speed I would think.
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<dberkholz>
Mineque: stalled till some of us find more time
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<dberkholz>
some of the work has been done
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but not enough to use it
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<mage>
joebaker: manual allocations?
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<rjent>
Greetings, on burning pxe eproms which image type do I need to get from rom-o-matic?
15:45
<mage>
oh hey
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<Mineque>
dberkholz: what type of help you need? :)
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<mage>
I was going to try and burn eeproms with my intel etherexpress pro 100
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forgot about that :)
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<dberkholz>
Mineque: help from people quite familiar with writing gentoo-style init scripts, FHS, and portage's ROOT support
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also good at shell scripting
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<Mineque>
so... if you would need betatesters i could help :)
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<sbalneav>
Mineque: did you disable the ltspfs authentication?
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: yes but that didnt help
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<lindi->
joebaker: possibly
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<sbalneav>
Mineque: So, you still get an authentication failed?
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<joebaker>
mage: I'm sorry I didn't understand your "manual allocations" question.
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<rjent>
any takers on the image type? I am not sure between zpxe and zrom
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<sbalneav>
If you're trying to burn a rom, you'lll need the rom type.
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<mage>
hmm, I'd guess zee rom, because zat is vere you are putting zfile, no?
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: hmm.... back... one test have to make...
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<sbalneav>
Hmm
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wireless is getting very slow here in Spain.
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Lots of hackers online right now, I'd expect.
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: now i have "Error Connection"
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on step 11
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<sbalneav>
can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"mineque" pasted "[Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.5" (36 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/124
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<rjent>
sbalneav: ok the rom-o-matic was just confusing on the image type, since I need pxe included in my rom http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.3/
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<rjent>
sbalneav: so zrom is correct for me to download and use on the programmer? I just got the programmer today so this is new to me
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<sbalneav>
Have you ever gotten it going with a floppy image yet?
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<rjent>
yes
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I will test again to be sure
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: sth wrong with my lts.conf?
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<sbalneav>
Which version of ltsp did you say you were running?
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<Mineque>
4.2
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<sbalneav>
because you've got a mix of ltsp 3, 4.1, and 4.2 localdev stuff in there
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And you HAVE NOT disabled the ltspfs authentication.
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<sbalneav>
Comment out all the local storage stuff with the exception of LOCAL_STORAGE,
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<Mineque>
i run ltspfsd with -d option like you said
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<sbalneav>
Nope
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I said -a
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<Mineque>
ehh, my mistake...
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<sbalneav>
Check on the docs page, I can't remember if it's LTSPFSD_ARGS = "-a" or LTSPFSD_OPTS = "-a"
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It's one of the two.
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<Mineque>
ok
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<sbalneav>
I'm not working on LTSP 4.2 anymore.
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so I can't remember off the top of my head
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<yanu>
LTSPFSD_OPTIONS = "-a"
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that is the magic-option :)
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<rjent>
sbalneav: yes boot iso works great. I have already tried the zpxe on an eprom and it does not work. So I should now download the zrom and try?
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<Mineque>
yanu: thx
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<joebaker>
Where is the instructions for lts.conf under LTSP 5? The best I have found is an examples file included with Ubuntu's ltsp-server-standalone
16:10
<sutula>
Does anyone here know what it takes to enable network swap under Debian/Ubuntu? I'm not finding ltspswapd anywhere in the Debian repo.
16:10
joebaker: Mine are under /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client
16:10
...examples/
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<sbalneav>
joebaker: best docs right now on LTSP5 are in the edubuntu handbook
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sutula: it's now nbdswapd, and comes with the ltsp-server package.
16:12
<Mineque>
sbalneav: and now restart ltsp?
16:12
<sbalneav>
And it should be enabled by default.
16:12
<joebaker>
sbaneav: sutula: Thanks!
16:12
<sbalneav>
Mineque: You'll want to restart the terminal, yes.
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<Mineque>
so.. brb
16:13
<sutula>
sbalneav: found it...have to figure out why it's not running, but thanks!
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<sbalneav>
sutula: Should be started from inetd
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<sutula>
sbalneav: OK, maybe I just need to get the client config'd right...I'll do that first
16:18
<sbalneav>
sutula: Quick way to tell: telnet localhost 9572. If someone answers, it's working.
16:18
<sutula>
sbalneav: connection refused...I'll check the log
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<sbalneav>
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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<rjent>
sbalneav: zrom the correct one?
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<sbalneav>
rjent: if you want to burn a ROM, yeah
16:20
<sutula>
sbalneav: Not there either...but the binary is so I can figure it out from here
16:20
<sbalneav>
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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<rjent>
sbalneav: ok I will download and test.
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<sbalneav>
and in your hosts.allow:
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nbdswapd: ALL: keepalive
16:21
ok guys, I gotta fly.
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<sbalneav>
might be back on later, might not.
16:21
cya all
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<lindi->
sbalneav: you don't want to run it as nobody
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<lindi->
sbalneav: if nobody has read access to your swap your passwords are at risk
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16:24* sutula sees a Debian package, nbd-server, and another, gnbd-server
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<sutula>
lindi-: Do know if either of these would be compatible? It seems like the Debian ltsp-server package installs an executable, but doesn't do the rest of the config
16:26
<lindi->
sutula: i use nbd-server
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<sutula>
lindi-: I was thinking it would be easier for long-term maintenance if I used a real, working package
16:28
<lindi->
sutula: i thought nbd-server was real package :)
16:29
<sutula>
lindi-: My Etch sys had ltsp-server package but not ndb-server, yet it had /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
16:30
<rjent>
sbalneav: hooray! Thank you so much. Now I understand and all is well.
16:31
<lindi->
sutula: etch has nbd-server package
16:31
* stable (admin): the Network Block Device server
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1:2.8.7-4: alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
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<sutula>
lindi-: Right...installing that now, but wondering why I had the binary already without the package being installed
16:31
<rjent>
later all
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<lindi->
sutula: nbdswapd is part of ltsp-server
16:32
not nbd-server
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<sutula>
lindi-: OK, diff binaries I guess
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<Mineque>
what can be wrong when i dont see any files on mounted usb-memory?
16:37
<mage>
hmm nbdswapd?
16:37
i've never heard of that one
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<sbalneav>
Back for a bit
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<Mineque>
sbalneav: nice :) ... almost everything works :P
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<Mineque>
step 11 succed
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<lindi->
mage: sutula: nbdswapd is a shell script that runs nbd-server
16:50
<mage>
oh yea
16:50
I just googled it and saw a simplefied version
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<sutula>
lindi-: Hmmm
16:51
lindi-: I'm trying to answer the config questions for nbd-swapd...maybe I should uninstall it and see if it "just works"
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lindi-: nm, I'm seeing that the instructions tell you to install it.../me can read and follow them :(
16:53
<lindi->
nbd-swapd?
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<sutula>
nbd-server
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<highvoltage>
!monkeys
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<ltspbot`>
highvoltage: "monkeys" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot`>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Mineque>
cya all
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<cliebow>
ltspbot:forget j
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heh'
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<mistik1>
!seen rjune
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<ltspbot`>
mistik1: rjune was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <rjune> an 8way with 16GB should be very happy to run 70 terms
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<mistik1>
!mistik1
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<ltspbot`>
mistik1: Error: "mistik1" is not a valid command.
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<mistik1>
heh
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<cliebow>
! ltspbot:forget j
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "ltspbot:forget" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
!ltspbot orget j
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
!forget j
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: 3 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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<cliebow>
!forget j*
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: There is no such factoid.
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<cliebow>
!forget j *
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: The operation succeeded.
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<cliebow>
!j
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
!j
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
!j
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
!remember j as jammcq!!!!!!
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!remember j as jammcq!!!!!!
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "remember" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
!set j as jammcq!!!!!!
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "set" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
!reconnaisez j as jammcq!!!!!
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow: Error: "reconnaisez" is not a valid command.
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<anco>
help newuser
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<anco>
Hello my first Irc experiance ever... so sorry if I make mistakes or stupid errors. At least did an hour reading manuals first.
19:42
I just installed a edubuntu 7.04 ltsp setup with two clients in Bamako in a little cybercafe as a test.
19:43
First impression great. Hope this will help Maliens to reuse older computers in a good way.
19:43
A little weird thing I got today. If I put in a usb-key in the server than it show up at the clients....
19:44
If I put in a usb-key in a client it only shows up in that client... good.
19:44
Anybody experience with this?
19:45
<petre>
anco: I get the same thing on K12LTSP
19:45
<anco>
In my case it is unpredictable on what client the usbkey shows up.
19:46
It looks like the first who clicks on the folder get the real view of files.
19:46
<petre>
do you mean when you plug it in at the client or at the server?
19:46
<anco>
the other get only empty window
19:46
the problem is only when plugging into the server
19:46
<petre>
don't use the server as a client
19:47
<anco>
But I like to use the server also as workstation....
19:47
if possible
19:47
At least the "teacher should be able to use and work on it, or not?
19:47
<petre>
since everything is running on the server, anything plugged in there is going to be at least seen by all clients
19:47
<anco>
ah
19:47
<petre>
I have the teachers use a client just like the students
19:48
server is just a box in the corner, no monitor even
19:48
<anco>
mmm okay so should put it in a corner too...
19:49
Next thing pluging in a usbkey on the client... folder comes up, but no way to unmount it?
19:49
People search for safe unmount...
19:49
<petre>
you don't need to unmount it, it's done automatically after 2 seconds of inactivity
19:49
just unplug it
19:49
other OSs are lacking in this area ;-)
19:50
<anco>
oh that's good to know.
19:50
so you are not using the thinclient manager if the server is in a corner...
19:50
<petre>
just tell the users to close the folder, count to 2, then unplug
19:51
I don't think the thinclient manager has to be run on the server, but I haven't tried it yet.
19:52
<anco>
I liked the possibility to set the client dark for a moment. Strong option for teacher to get interrest of all students.
19:53
I use this edubuntu since two weeks now in a prison in Bamako and in a little cybercafe
19:53
<petre>
K12LTSP has fl_teachertool, which does similar things
19:53
what country?
19:53
<anco>
Mali west Africa
19:53
<petre>
cool
19:53
<anco>
where are you using K12LTSP
19:54
I did not try that one yet.
19:54
<petre>
Minnesota, US
19:54
K12LTSP is Fedora + LTSP
19:54
all in one package
19:55
<anco>
I use Ubuntu for over two years now on my laptop but I'm very new to Edubuntu and LTSP
19:55
<petre>
Edubuntu is more cutting edge, as it's LTSP 5, whereas K12LTSP is still LTSP 4.2
19:55
<anco>
Nice you are in school setup? With many clients?
19:56
<petre>
but I think K12LTSP is more...a complete package
19:56
Also, LTSP 5 uses LDM, LTSP Display Manager, which uses encryption between the client & server
19:56
that's good in a security context, but there's a performance hit
19:57
<anco>
I have in prison only two clients and the server. Where our youthworker tries to teach the kids in prison some knowledge to get more chance for a real job
19:57
<petre>
K12LTSP still uses GDM (or KDM) and can use lesser machines for the clients
19:57
<anco>
so in prison I make the same error, using the server as one workstation too..
19:58
<petre>
it matters more that you just use it rather than hair-splitting over which version
19:58
<anco>
That sounds interesting K12LTSP, because I use fairly old machines.
19:58
<petre>
100mhz Pentium will work for clients with K12LTSP
19:58
<anco>
I have another 15 p2 200mhz available for future setup
19:59
<petre>
those will work fine for K12LTSP, not sure about the minimum for Edubuntu
19:59
<anco>
I tried a p133 with edubuntu... takes nearly 5 minutes to boot
19:59
edubuntu asks on their website for minimal P2 200mhz
19:59
<petre>
Try K12LTSP; P133 client will work fine
20:00
But...K12LTSP is 6 CDs, or one 4GB DVD, takes a while to download
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<anco>
Especially the graphical login is irritating in edubuntu
20:01
if you mistype the login name and or password it takes upto 40 seconds to get another chance to do it right....
20:01
<petre>
what's irritating about it?
20:01
Yeah, that's the LDM.
20:01
It's interesting technology, but that's why I think K12LTSP is better at this point
20:01
That may change down the road.
20:02
<anco>
What is used in K12LTSP for this login? or actually I don't want a login. I just need a workstation ready after a boot but did not find how to do that..
20:02
<petre>
I'll be right back, I have to put my son to bed...
20:03
<anco>
thanks see you soon
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<yoho>
anyone: if cost was an issue, DevonIT or Ebox/Norhtec?? (i'm concerned about ebox full screen issues)
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<milosz>
hai
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