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Channel log from 5 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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06:16
<dante>
hi
06:16
I need some help on FUSE (lbussd)
06:17
it isnt starting and when i manually try to run it I get "Couldn't establish a connection to :9202: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname ':9202'"
06:18
anyone?
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08:47
<Gadi>
morning, all
08:57
anyone know a way to ask a system about *memory* speed ?
08:57
<ogra>
dmidecode ?
08:58
<Gadi>
ogra: ur a beautiful person
08:58
erally
08:59
you truly are
08:59
<ogra>
not sure it shows the speed, but its the deepest level of info you can get about the ram
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09:05
<Gadi>
ogra: while I have you here. In any of ur deployments of UbuntuLTSP (edgy), have you ever had a user capable of hibernating the server from his/her session?
09:05* Gadi has someone testing edgyLTSP in an environment
09:05
<Gadi>
complained that the server kept crashing
09:05
looked in the logs and a user was hibernating the box
09:05
lol
09:06
<ogra>
thats not possible in edgy
09:07
it was in dapper though
09:07
but gome-power-manager is triggered by ldm to not allow it in edgy
09:08
<moquist>
ogra: I'm still troubleshooting USB sticks under Edubuntu edgy. If it's supposed to "just work" it isn't...any pointers?
09:10
<Gadi>
thats what i thought
09:10
which is why i was surprised
09:10
is there any kind of applet that could be added by a user to circumvent it?
09:10
<ogra>
moquist, did you see the bottom of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices and follow it ?
09:11
<moquist>
So I've looked at /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/add_fstab_entry and it makes me think step one is to get a TTY on the thin client.
09:11
ogra: not yet. I'll see and follow it now. :)
09:11
<ogra>
Gadi, nope, g-p-m is 100% responsible for hibernaitn in edgy/gnome
09:11
moquist, its likely that yoour user isnt in the fuse group
09:12
we dont switch it on by default for every user, jammcq said he had users concerned about security before when enabling localdev by default
09:12
<Gadi>
hmm... then, someone must have done it at the server itself....
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09:16
<ogra>
moquist, edsadmin has hardcoded python2.3 shebang lines btw ... and a wrong copyright file ...
09:16
i just fixed that ... mark needs to merge it upstream ....
09:17
oh207, and a lot of the edsadmin functions are obsolete in python2.5 ... they need to be replaced to avoid a ton of warnngs
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09:29
<joebaker>
ogra: I recall you saying yesterday that you prefer using the kubuntu-desktop in an LTSP deployment rather than ubuntu-desktop. Am I correct? I've just installed Ubuntu Edgy using the alternate install cd (so I could get LVM on top of RAID). So now I could just install kubuntu-desktop. Sorry, I'll be stepping away from the computer for a while.
09:30
<ogra>
joebaker, i dont use KDE anywhere
09:30
(didnt do so since KDE 1.2)
09:30
<joebaker>
ogra: sorry.
09:30
I read it somewhere here on LTSP that it was somebody's preference.
09:31
Gnome works fine for your LTSP needs then?
09:31
<ogra>
but indeed, if you install kubuntu-desktop on to of an ubuntu system it wil turn into a KDE system
09:31
<joebaker>
Choices are great!
09:31
<ogra>
gnome works fine, yes
09:31
and KDE does too ;)
09:31
<joebaker>
I like the colors of the default Ubuntu Gnome themes.
09:33
<moquist>
ogra: yep. This was my first ever work in Python, so I didn't touch the shebangs. :) Send me your updated source? (unless you already did)
09:33
<ogra>
i'm waiting until one of our archive admins checked it in case they find more
09:34
but i'll send the two patches i added and the debdiff as soon as i know everyhing is fixed
09:35
<moquist>
ogra: cool
09:36
ogra: thx for the wiki page. I just need to run the user/group admin tool.
09:36
<ogra>
we schuld cobsider a bzr branch ...
09:36* moquist nods
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09:39
<moquist>
ogra: what's the next step for the edubuntu-auth-server?
09:39
<ogra>
smbldap and our metapackage is the next part
09:39
i'll attack it if edsadmin is through
09:39* moquist nods
09:40
<ogra>
(have to do a lot of maintenance work aside here atm ... ltsp merges etc)
09:44
<moquist>
ogra: I'm happy to do what I can. The metapackage will consist (only? primarily?) of a deps list and a postinst file, right?
09:45
<ogra>
yep
09:45
and likely some debconf vars
09:45
so you can preseed the values for the variables in the postinst
09:46* moquist nods but doesn't really know how debconf works
09:48
<ogra>
it has a database where it stores the key->value pairs ... and a template system for questions ...
09:49
for preseeding we need to grab the right keys from other packages and put our desired values in ... that about it
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09:57
<efra>
Morning everybody
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10:03
<moquist>
efra: mornin'
10:04
ogra: I added my user to the fuse group, logged out and back in, inserted USB key, and...no joy. :(
10:05
<ogra>
but you're usig a default edubuntu ?
10:05
<moquist>
yep. edgy.
10:05
<ogra>
from the default installer ? or did you install ltsp separately ?
10:05
<moquist>
LOCALDEV is turned on in /opt/.../lts.conf, and I didn't put that there.
10:05
<ogra>
ah, k
10:05
hmm, then it shold simply work
10:06
<moquist>
If I can figure out how to enable a TTY I'll start debugging it.
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10:06
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
10:06
<moquist>
Or I could install sshd in the TC root and get in that way, I suppose.
10:06
<ogra>
then switch to tty1 on the client and log in as root
10:06
if you are done sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l
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10:07
<moquist>
how does setting the root passwd enable a TTY? there's no login prompt there now.
10:07
<ogra>
there must be at least one tty, eles you would have been able to boot
10:07
*wouldnt
10:07* moquist nods
10:08
<ogra>
usually tty1 is there ...
10:08
weird if it isnt ...
10:08
<moquist>
that makes sense, but CTRL+ALT+F1 doesn't go to a TTY.
10:08* moquist keeps trying stuff
10:08
<moquist>
Eh... so it *does* on the TC next to me.
10:08
<ogra>
any messages in the server logs ?
10:08
since edgy we log to the server logs by default from the client
10:09
look for the clients IP
10:09
<moquist>
I think my use of ion2 on this TC is messing with the display. :)
10:09
<ogra>
ah
10:09
well, i havent used ion with ltsp yet :)
10:09
<moquist>
This is my first time. :-D
10:09
It's my first time administering an Ubuntu LTSP system -- I made the switch yesterday.
10:10
So far so good.
10:10
<ogra>
whee :)
10:10
nice news :)
10:10* moquist throws his arms in the air
10:10
<moquist>
...out of joy, not despair. :)
10:10
<ogra>
:)
10:11
so check if there are cdpinger and ltspfsd running on the client
10:11
<moquist>
Oooo - more help! Thx.
10:11* moquist checks
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10:11
<moquist>
both are running.
10:11
<ogra>
ok
10:12
is /var/run/drives or /var/run/.drives there ?
10:12
and if you plug something in does a directory get created ?
10:12
<moquist>
/var/run/drives is there
10:12
I'll unplug and replug
10:13
<ogra>
do you see the device in /etc/fstab after plugging it in ?
10:14
<moquist>
no. I'm wondering if this TC sucks.
10:14
<ogra>
hmm
10:14
<moquist>
cat /proc/partitions is empty
10:14
that certainly seems wrong
10:14
<ogra>
does it hav any weird kind of controller ?
10:15
<moquist>
I don't think the TC knows about the USB device.
10:15
<ogra>
ah
10:15
<moquist>
ogra: right. That's what I'm going to check now.
10:15
Eh, no usb mentioned in lspci or dmesg. That bodes poorly.
10:16
<ogra>
bios ?
10:16
<moquist>
no idea.
10:16
<ogra>
usually its detected fine if a kernel module exists for the controller
10:16
<moquist>
You know...these TCs have NT embedded. NT didn't ever support USB. Maybe the manufacturers didn't actually enable it, or maybe there's no controller at all.
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10:17
<ogra>
cat you get into the bios to change it ?
10:17* moquist goes to test on some better TCs
10:17* moquist finds out
10:17
<moquist>
ha ha! there's a password on the bios.
10:19
<ogra>
fun
10:21
<moquist>
yeah, we bought this on ebay.
10:21* moquist pulls out the Phillips-head bios-resetter
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10:27
<moquist>
yep, usb shows up now that I enabled it in the bios.
10:29
ogra: yay happy!
10:30
<ogra>
great !
10:30
<moquist>
ogra: Now we just need to remove...160 screws, reseat 40 CMOS batteris, and replace 160 screws. No problem.
10:30* moquist sticks out his tongue at the former owners
10:30
<ogra>
heh
10:31
<moquist>
ogra: Do you know if there's a way to say that everybody's in a certain group without explicitly listing each user?
10:31
I'll probably just create an LDAP group with everybody, and we'll have to add each new user to it. *shrug*
10:31
<ogra>
only scripts ...
10:32* moquist nods
10:32
<ogra>
i dont know a specific command for that
10:32
<moquist>
just checking. :)
10:32
ogra: Is that a better approach than trying to change it so that group 513 instead of 115 (fuse) is the relevant one for local devices?
10:33
<ogra>
well ... both should work ...
10:33
but you will need to switch the device nodes to be in 513
10:34
<moquist>
in udev?
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10:41
<ogra>
nope
10:42
i think a reboot will suffice ... udev uses the group name ...
10:43
just checked
10:46
<moquist>
OK, so if I change udev to use group 513 (Domain Users) instead of group 115 (fuse), then that would be enough.
10:49
<ogra>
no
10:49
<moquist>
I'm confused then.
10:49
<ogra>
you likely need to change the group in /etc/groups t be 513
10:49
udev uses the groupname ...
10:49
not the number....
10:50
<moquist>
yep. So changing udev to use a different group name would also work then, right?
10:50
<ogra>
right
10:50
<moquist>
Ok. I'd rather change /etc/group, though. Good idea. :)
10:50
<Gadi>
moquist: is ur goal just to have everyobody be ableto use localdev?
10:50
<moquist>
Gadi: yes.
10:51
<ogra>
the proper solution would likely be to have ldap access already in initramfs so you dont need the local groups at all
10:51
<Gadi>
why not just: change udev perms to 666 and chmod a+x /usr/bin/fusermount
10:51
<ogra>
we'll always have this problem with udev and ldap ... in other areas as well
10:51
<Gadi>
should work like a charm
10:51
<ogra>
and rips a cecurity holw like a 5kg cheddar into your system
10:52
*hole
10:52
<Gadi>
oh, please
10:52
<moquist>
Gadi: sure, that would be fine, too. Or I could just change the gid of 'fuse' to 513. :)
10:52
Speaking of security, we're actually exporting /home to 10.11.*.* here.
10:52
<Gadi>
all the criminal fusermount exploits out there
10:53* moquist looks around nervously now that he's admitted it out loud
10:53
<ogra>
with the current fuse setup no user can see or access local devs of others ... if you chmod to 666 or change fusermount to a+x i suspect thats not given anymore
10:53
<Gadi>
?
10:53
why not?
10:53
<ogra>
currently not even root can look into your devices ;)
10:53
<Gadi>
its done by group to begin with
10:53
thats on the ltspfs level
10:54
it shouldnt change that at all
10:54
<ogra>
nope, on the fuse level
10:54
<moquist>
isn't it enough to change /etc/group and restart udev?
10:54
<ogra>
(below ltspfs)
10:54
no
10:54
restarting udev wont help, you need to reboot to have the devices newly created
10:54
<Gadi>
but changing dev prems or fusermount perms to all instead of group shouldnt allow users to see each others stuff
10:55
<ogra>
i'm not sure about that ... but you might be right ... apart from that it shouldnt matter for thin clients, you are right here ...
10:56
(simply because we dont have access anabled to the client at all
10:56
)
10:56
*enabled
10:56
<Gadi>
I do agree that an ldap way of doing it would be nice
10:57
<ogra>
well
10:57
its a bit tricky....
10:57
<Gadi>
of course, you could add a fuse group to ldap with the same uid
10:57
<ogra>
if your ldap server is local you got a problem accessing it from initramfs
10:57
<Gadi>
and then add all users to the ldap fuse group
10:57
s/uid/gid/
10:57
<ogra>
but for remote ldap that should work ...
10:58
<moquist>
Gadi: I created an LDAP fuse group, but I'm opting to change /etc/group rather than continue in that direction. Everybody's already in our group 513.
10:58
<Gadi>
initramfs can use the local fue group
10:58
moquist: but, then you have to make a change on any new server you put in
10:59
having an ldap group "fuse", you just drop in the server
10:59
<moquist>
Gadi: Yes, I have to make one small change per server, instead of adding every user to the stupid LDAP fuse group. Urg.
10:59
<ogra>
Gadi, i would not want to use local groups at all in the initramfs case ...
10:59
<Gadi>
you can smbldap-useradd -u 153 fuse
10:59
or some such
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11:00
<moquist>
Gadi: ? that didn't make sense. why would I want to add a user named fuse? :)
11:00
<Gadi>
ogra: wait, initramfs for what? local dev?
11:00
moquist: right, group
11:00
<ogra>
i.e. using local groups only for local tasks, i.e. single user mode ... but not touching them at all if ldap is enable
11:00
<moquist>
Gadi: I did 'smbldap-groupadd -g 115 fuse' and then deleted it before adding all the users.
11:00
<Gadi>
its friday :P
11:00
<moquist>
:)
11:01
<ogra>
so you dont need to care about divertion
11:01
<Gadi>
ah
11:02
<ogra>
but as i said, that cant work with a locally rinning slapd ... unless you make it run in initramfs already .... which is ugly and evil
11:02
<Gadi>
very evil
11:03
better to just have a check for diversion ;)
11:03
<ogra>
where ?
11:03
in passwd ?
11:04
i'd rather unify the database instead of hacking the tools
11:04
<Gadi>
well, ur basically concerned with ldap system groups having diff gids than local system groups, right?
11:04
<ogra>
not only, no
11:05
there are a lot of syste related users in an ubuntu system ...
11:05
so its more than groups
11:05
<Gadi>
right - so same with system users/ldap system users
11:05
<ogra>
right
11:05
<Gadi>
so, you can have a check when slapd comes up
11:06
maybe
11:06
actuall, no
11:06
you can have just another service on boot
11:06
that checks
11:06
and pops up a warning
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<Gadi>
and reconciles
11:06
<ogra>
well
11:07
<Gadi>
can even tell you from nsswitch.conf which will be used
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<ogra>
how ? if i'm in initramfs where for example udev needs the groups and users i have no access to a possible locally running slapd ...
11:08
there is no filesystem access possible at that point
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11:08
<samhob>
hello friends!
11:08
<Gadi>
why does initramfs need ldap access at all?
11:08
<ogra>
udev needs the groups ...
11:08
<samhob>
i have a question: how can i see videos on my X terminal ?
11:09
can i remotely use the mplayer installed on my server machine ?
11:09
<Gadi>
how does it currently work?
11:09
<ogra>
it uses /etc/grups and /etc/password ... compressed into initramfs during build time
11:10
<Gadi>
so, I would assume that the local system user/groups are the good ones. and if there's diversion, it is ldap that is wrong
11:10
so, keep using system user/groups in initramfs
11:10
and reconcile ldap in the OS
11:10
<ogra>
that still doesnt solve it
11:11
i want *one single source*
11:11
instead of working around the problem in multiple areas
11:11
<Gadi>
just one area
11:11
:)
11:11
<ogra>
well ...
11:12
additionally i cant guarantee the groups and password fils are up to date with the system ...
11:12
the ones in initramfs are only snapshots when the initramfs was built
11:13
i.e. we already have three sources
11:14
<Gadi>
yeah, but initramfs has what it needs (which isnt much) and mkinitramfs would reconcile it
11:15
and u can assume that the initramfs source is good at build
11:15
so, its still only 2 sources
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12:37
<vagrantc>
gah.
12:38
changes to xorg dependencies introduced RC bugs in ltsp :(
12:38
in debian
12:38
<ogra>
yeah, i saw your bug
12:38
why did they set these weird deps in X ? we dont have it ...
12:38
<vagrantc>
because of a bug in aptitude.
12:39
<ogra>
just put the -video-all package in early packages ;)
12:39
<vagrantc>
it's easy enough to fix- we just have to add -input-all and -video-all to the list of packages to install. but it's obnoxious.
12:39
<ogra>
oyu need them all anyway
12:39
<vagrantc>
yes.
12:39
it was downgraded from grave to important...
12:40
<ogra>
why are you guys using aptitude anyway :)
12:40
btw apart from the intscripts all your changes are merged in feisty and mainline
12:41
<vagrantc>
i like a lot of things with aptitude. the handling of package dependencies are pretty easy.
12:41
<ogra>
the initscripts still eed some cleanup ...
12:41
like they are with apt :) at least since two or three versions ...
12:41
<vagrantc>
er, the handling of dependencies that get pulled in but are not explicitly requested is awesome.
12:41
i've never once seen apt remove a package that was no longer depended on.
12:42
<ogra>
apt-get autoremove ;)
12:42
<vagrantc>
it doesn't do that automatically...
12:42
<ogra>
apt has also a mode to install recommends alongside ....
12:43
no, indeed it doesnt ... i would freak out if a package tool would do that just because i have development libs installed nothing depends n
12:43
<vagrantc>
yeah, but it's easy to say "acually, i want these"
12:43
really easy.
12:43
<ogra>
what do you think about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/64629 ?
12:43
<vagrantc>
i like it. but anyways. the matter at hand is we have an RC bug on ltsp that needs fixing.
12:44
<ogra>
well, i'd lust go the early_packages route
12:44
<vagrantc>
definitely. i just have to find someone to upload.
12:45
<ogra>
oh ....
12:46
64629 is fixed already ... when was the /. introduced in that find command .... thats nice :)
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<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, hi
12:50
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: hi.
12:51
tiagovaz: i need to report and upload a fix for an RC bug in ltsp :(
12:51
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, I have some questions
12:51
vagrantc, about some missing packages in ltsp client tree
12:52
<ogra>
missing packages ?
12:52
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, what kind of problem did you find?
12:52
<ogra>
vagrantc, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/73807 thats a funny one ;)
12:53
<tiagovaz>
ogra, I've installed ltsp in different servers and clients last days
12:53* ogra is going through all these ltsp bugs today to fix them :) )
12:53
<tiagovaz>
ogra, and for all I had to install x-server-xorg modules
12:53
<ogra>
tiagovaz, thats fine, what packages are missing from the chrrot ?
12:54
tiagovaz, ah, so you are on debian and use vagrants package
12:54
thats exactly the bug he's talking about
12:54
<tiagovaz>
ogra, hmm
12:54
vagrantc, eheh then it's your business ehehe
12:54
<ogra>
tiagovaz, chroot into the client environment and install xserver-xorg-video-all
12:55
and xserver-xorg-input-all
12:55
that should solve it
12:55
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, ogra input-mouse, input-kbd and vesa
12:55
ogra, right, does it include card video modules also?
12:56
<ogra>
yes
12:56
xserver-xorg-video-all installs all video drivers
12:56
input-all likewise for the input drivers
12:58
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: i think it's my RC bug you're talking about
12:58
<tiagovaz>
ogra, nice, I was installing one by one :<
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12:59
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, good
12:59
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: you can add those to the list of packages by making a plugin in /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/000-extra-packages
13:00
tiagovaz: you can copy /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/000-basic-configuration as a template ...
13:01
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, nice, I've forgot about the plugins
13:01
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: yes.
13:01
tiagovaz: or, you could jus use /etc/ltsp/plugis/ltsp-build-client/000-basic-packages
13:01
and just add the packages.
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13:05
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, thanks
13:05
<ogra>
vagrantc, is there any reason to keep the functions in the initscripts ? i think they can be dropped
13:05
(after modularization i mean)
13:05
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, I've been a lot of problems with xdebconfigurator
13:06
<ogra>
ubuntus dexconf/xserver-xorg postinst is far better, but lacking a third of te functionallity of xdebconfigurator ...
13:06
<vagrantc>
ogra: if we properly implement start/stop, we'll want them as functions
13:06
<ogra>
the next xorg will solve that completely though
13:07
vagrantc, well, currently you are having a defined fnction you just call at the end of the plugin ...
13:07
the start/stop will be handled by the initscript and not the plugin, or am i wrong ?
13:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes, well, i know we will likely want the functions later, and it was the quickest way to implement it without breaking everything.
13:08
<ogra>
right
13:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, the plugins are part of the init script
13:08
<ogra>
dont you just source the plugin files ?
13:09
<vagrantc>
right.
13:09
i don't know. i have no attention for anything other than fixing this RC bug in ltsp right now.
13:09
<ogra>
yeah, go ahead ...
13:10
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, is there any way to create 'static' xorg conf files?
13:10
<ogra>
everybody always tells me i'm in the uploaders list for ltsp and should be able to upload to debian ... arent you in there as well, it should work for you too ...
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<ogra>
tiagovaz, XF86CONFIG_FILE=
13:11
set that in lts.conf with a relative path (relative to /opt/ltsp/i386)
13:11
<vagrantc>
i think it's just XF86CONFIG
13:11
but look in the code to be sure.
13:11
<tiagovaz>
ogra, thanks
13:12
<vagrantc>
ogra: the uploaders list only determines weather it's an NMU or not.
13:12
<ogra>
(there is /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/exaples ... containig a list with parameters (at least in ubuntu. dunno if vagrant took that file for debian)
13:12
<vagrantc>
ogra: i still need to get a gpg signature from someone in the gpg keyring
13:12
<ogra>
meh
13:18
<tiagovaz>
does ltsp read lts.conf before trying xdeconfigurator?
13:19
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: yes
13:19
well, sort of
13:19
<tiagovaz>
thnx
13:19
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: it won't do the xdebconfiguration stuff if you define XF86CONFIG
13:19
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, :)
13:20
<ogra>
unless you changed that in debian specifically, its XF86CONFIG_FILE btw
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<g333k_work>
Hi, have somebody installed Fl_TeacherTool in a ubuntu ltsp server? ?
13:22
<ogra>
wont work (unless they rewrote it for ssh instead of X)
13:23
use student-control-panel
13:23
<g333k_work>
ogra, really?
13:24
<ogra>
yes, student-control-panel is written specifically for ltsp5 in ubuntu
13:26
ltsp5 in ubuntu doesnt use XDMCP at all, but all teachertool like implementations rely on XDMCP
13:27
and so far nobody patched the other teachertools to work woth ssh forwarded connections ...
13:28
<g333k_work>
ogra, I loaded student-control-panel, but I cant see the list of my clients.... it appears empy, why?
13:29
<ogra>
which ubuntu version do you use ? before edgy S-C-P wasnt working right
13:29
(edgy was a major change for ltsp and all the tools in ubuntu)
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<rxd>
is ltsp wireless connection possible?
13:35
<ogra>
not yet
13:35
<vagrantc>
!wireless
13:35
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
13:36
<vagrantc>
ogra: ah, yes. XF86CONFIG_File
13:36
er, tr 'a-z' 'A-Z'
13:36
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, could you give a short documentation about the plugins order in next package version?
13:36
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: look in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/plugins
13:36
<ogra>
i wonder how they handle WEP, WPA and the ESSID in that old lan thing
13:37
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: :)
13:37
<ogra>
s/lan/wlan
13:38
thats the only thing keeping me from implementing wlan in ubuntu ltsp ;) you just need wlan support in the initramfs ... but you still need these values to set it up ...
13:38
<W^^harddd^^>
y pastebot.ltsp.org is not working ?
13:38
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, nice!
13:38
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^: no, it is not.
13:39
<W^^harddd^^>
y ?
13:39
i have to paste some thing . i really need some help regarding UsB mouting
13:39
mounting *
13:39
<rxd>
i tried installing ltsp on my notebook an i have connected to my AP on eth1, i tried connecting from my wired desktop to my AP using PXE and quite working well
13:40
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^: you could post to pastebin.ca and then post the URL here, i think.
13:40
W^^harddd^^: it's not working because it is broken :P
13:41
<ogra>
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ works as well :)
13:41
<W^^harddd^^>
ok
13:42
<rxd>
2 DHCP server on the AP and on the ltsp notebook the wired desktop won't boot but switching off the dhcp on the AP works
13:43
how can i get 2 DHCP server both on the AP and on the wireless ltsp notebook work
13:43
<W^^harddd^^>
plz check it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/570/ . i have mail to sbalneav@ltsp.org last week . but no reply yet
13:43
n i need help on this
13:44
<ogra>
sblneav is very very busy at work atm ...
13:45
<W^^harddd^^>
yea some one told me that
13:45
i hope someone else can help me
13:48
<ogra>
vagrantc, while i see the "cat /etc/version" in that paste ... what about echoing the major version into /etc/ltsp_chroot (i.e. currently ltsp 5pre) ... i thought bout that before ...
13:49
would be good to have a source we can easily get the chroot version from for debugging ...
13:49
the big danger of muecow is that chroots stay unmaintained while the server itself gets regulary updated
13:50
<vagrantc>
ogra: "cat /etc/version" in what paste?
13:50
<ogra>
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/570/
13:51
its one of the commands scottie uses often for debugging
13:51
<vagrantc>
ogra: i put data into /etc/ltsp_chroot
13:51
<ogra>
(and its in the 4.x localdev debugging notes)
13:51
really ? what do you put in there ? i only touch it
13:51
<vagrantc>
but i guess not version info yet ...
13:51
echo LTSP_CHROOT=$ROOT
13:52
i thought about putting version info in there, but couldn't figure out a standardized way of doing it.
13:52
<ogra>
oh207, my chroot is old
13:52
i merged that patch from you ...
13:52
we'd need to hardcode it ...
13:53
<vagrantc>
we should put hooks into cron-apt and the likes to update chroots
13:53
<ogra>
well
13:53
<W^^harddd^^>
ogra n vagrantc : u saw that paste ?
13:53
<ogra>
we should have an option to do so ..
13:53
<W^^harddd^^>
wat do u think about the problem ?
13:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, i thought about putting a VERSION=5.0/muekow or something in there
13:54
<ogra>
vagrantc, sounds fine ...
13:54
<vagrantc>
ogra: currently, the lack of /etc/version and presence of /etc/ltsp_chroot provides some troubleshooting
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<ogra>
right
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<ogra>
but an easy way that would have told me that i'm currently using an old version here wuld have been nice :)
13:55
<W^^harddd^^^>
sorry i got d/c
13:55* vagrantc did not expect to see such significant changes post-freeze.
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<ogra>
which freeze ?
13:55
<W^^harddd^^^>
u ppl found some problem in my post or not ?
13:55
<ogra>
and which changes ?
13:55
<vagrantc>
ogra: it's called "dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltsp-client"
13:56
<ogra>
heh
13:56
<vagrantc>
ogra: the etch freeze ... the changes mentioned in that bug report against xserver-xorg i just posted.
13:56
<ogra>
right ... but the lack of content in /etc/ltsp_chroot was also a good indicator and didnt even involve a database ;)
13:57
vagrantc, well, but youre fix i trivial ... its just an uploader thats missing ... shall i look in the ubuntu crowd to find someone to do an NMU for us ?
13:57
s/i/is/
13:57
<W^^harddd^^^>
hello sir : can anyone pay attention to my post . http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/570/
13:57
<ogra>
we have enough DDs around to find one
13:58
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, i talked to otavio and he wants me to post to debian-devel ... and he's basically going to be my sponsor, so working around him would probably not be good
13:59
<ogra>
well, but then you are set already, arent you ?
13:59
otavio will surely shw up before release so you get the upload done
13:59* vagrantc does not want to wait for a discussion on debian-devel
13:59
<ogra>
yeah thats a bit odd
13:59
<vagrantc>
it's a list i'm not subscribed to, and i actually need to go do other things this next week
14:00
<ogra>
what shall that be about ? reverting the xorg change ?
14:00
<vagrantc>
i guess.
14:00
<ogra>
or adding your new stuff to the package
14:00
<vagrantc>
no, the xorg change.
14:00
<ogra>
well, your suggestion on the bug sounds quite sane ...
14:01
<W^^harddd^^^>
hmmmmmmm
14:01
<vagrantc>
ogra: which bug? there's now three bugs involved in this issue ...
14:01
<ogra>
and the problem is really in xorg and not in ltsp even you can easily work around it
14:01
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: looks like your $DISPLAY variable is different than your terminal's hostname.
14:02
<W^^harddd^^^>
no its not . wait let me check again
14:02
its Ws117
14:02
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: display is set to Ws117.ltsp:0.0 , whereas hostname is just Ws117
14:03
W^^harddd^^^: it should be Ws117.ltsp or something like that.
14:03
<W^^harddd^^^>
ok
14:03
<g333k_work>
ogra, I 'm using edgy
14:03
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: but i don't really understand ltsp 4.2 or use K12ltsp, so i can't help you much more than that.
14:04
<W^^harddd^^^>
well the idea is same .. its not about k12ltsp
14:04
<g333k_work>
ogra, I'm using ubuntu edgy and The the list of my clients in S-C-P appears empy, why?
14:04
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: well, the code for localdevices is VERY different in the LTSP i work with.
14:05
<ogra>
g333k_work, with ubuntus ltsp-server-stadalone package ?
14:05
<g333k_work>
ogra, nope
14:05
<ogra>
or with ltsp4.2 fron ltsp.org
14:05
<g333k_work>
ogra, I'm using ltsp 4.2
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<ogra>
ah, ok ... i wasnt expecting that ...
14:05
<W^^harddd^^^>
vagrantc: check the step 10 : it says: The bit before the colon (the hostname part) must EXACTLY match the hostname
14:05
<ogra>
then scp wont work
14:06
use the teachertool ...
14:06
<W^^harddd^^^>
so ws117 is matching
14:06
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: no. Ws117.ltsp
14:06
<ogra>
as i said before s-c-p is specifically written for ltsp5 on ubuntu
14:06
<vagrantc>
"Ws117" != "Ws117.ltsp"
14:06
<W^^harddd^^^>
hmm
14:07
so wat should i do now ?
14:07
<ogra>
colon == : ....
14:07
: != .
14:07
;)
14:07
<g333k_work>
ogra, I cant compile teachertool. are there a deb pkg?
14:07
<vagrantc>
:)
14:07
<g333k_work>
is there*
14:07
<ogra>
no idea ...
14:07
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: find someone who knows how to fix it? (i.e. not me)
14:07
<W^^harddd^^^>
<ogra> no idea ... : thats for me
14:07
<ogra>
why cant you compile it ?
14:07
W^^harddd^^^, nope that was for g333k_work
14:08
<W^^harddd^^^>
vagrantc : thats y i m here
14:08
where should i go ? :(
14:08
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: maybe post to the k12ltsp list(s) ?
14:08
<W^^harddd^^^>
n wats that ?
14:09
<ogra>
W^^harddd^^^, you can only wait for sbalneav to be finished with switching his organization to ubuntu edgy and a new software ... he'll come back if he's done but it might take some time still
14:09
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: the mailing lists for the distribution that you said you were using.
14:09
<g333k_work>
ogra, Fl_TeacherTool.cxx:35:19: error: FL/Fl.H:The directory or file doesnt exist
14:09
<ogra>
i only worked n the ubuntu ltspfs implementation which is totally different
14:09
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: i don't know where they are, since i don't use k12ltsp, but i know they exist.
14:09
<g333k_work>
ogra, well maybe is time to move on to ltsp5
14:09
<W^^harddd^^^>
ogra: the problem is that my users are really stuck by this
14:09
as they have to use there usb's
14:10
<ogra>
g333k_work, sudo apt-get install libfltk1.1-dev ;)
14:10
<W^^harddd^^^>
so i have to solve this out quickly
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<ogra>
g333k_work, but i'd really recommend using ltsp5 if you are using edgy ...
14:10
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: well, wasting the time of people who don't know how to fix your problem will not help you any.
14:12
W^^harddd^^^: we've already given you some suggestions of where to look ...
14:12
<W^^harddd^^^>
hmmm
14:12
<ogra>
W^^harddd^^^, fix your DNS/dhcp to get the hostnames dentical
14:12
identical as well :)
14:12
<vagrantc>
W^^harddd^^^: maybe try and put "k12ltsp" "mailing list" into a google search?
14:13
<W^^harddd^^^>
ok
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<g333k_work>
ogra, Fl_TeacherTool.cxx:49:21: error: X11/xpm.h: Invalid file or directory
14:27
<ogra>
libxpm-dev ?
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<g333k_work>
ogra, I have already, another hint?
14:32
ogra, ohh libxpm-dev?, let me check
14:32
<ogra>
ususally just apt-cache search for the missing piece (xpm in that case ) and "dev"
14:33
that should give good hints for the missing headers
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<vagrantc>
shouldn't those be represented as dependencies (or build-dependencies) ?
14:39
<ogra>
for an upstream tarball ?
14:40* vagrantc doesn't know what's going on
14:40
<vagrantc>
i'm a little flustered by this RC bug :(
14:43
<ogra>
why do yu worry ? you have an uploader so your package can work around it ... and you can still poke the people to fix xorg in which case you dont have to do anything
14:43
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, bug about missing packages? Is it hard to fix?
14:43
<ogra>
no
14:43
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: it's easy to fix, but otavio wants to make it into a discussion on debian-devel.
14:43
<ogra>
but there are a lot of politics involved
14:44
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, ogra why?
14:44
<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: i cannot speak for other people's motivations, only my own.
14:45
<ogra>
because its debian ... ?
14:45
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, I didnt understand the politics problem
14:45
<vagrantc>
i don't really know that it's political.
14:45
<tiagovaz>
ogra, :)
14:45
<vagrantc>
procedural, maybe.
14:45
<ogra>
tiagovaz, someone decided to change the deps of xorg is the right thing
14:46
now there must be a discussion why that is or if it should be reverted ....
14:46
<vagrantc>
during an etch freeze, no less. and the reponse i got was "use aptitude".
14:46
<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, ugh
14:46
<vagrantc>
apparently, it breaks upgrades with aptitude...
14:47
<ogra>
the discussion part is 95%, the fixing is 5% .... thats what i mean with "politics involved"
14:47
<tiagovaz>
ogra, yeh, now I got it
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<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, good luck with debian-devel discussion :/
14:49
vagrantc, I hope you can solve it before etch release
14:49
<ogra>
heh
14:49
he will ...
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<vagrantc>
well, the simplest thing is to just upload a package with my patch. but i don't want to work around otavio.
14:50
<ogra>
and the patch is really a workaround ... i'd not go with that if you can fix xrg
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<ogra>
*xorg
14:50
<vagrantc>
but the workaround won't break anything even if xorg gets "fixed"
14:51
unless the fix is something awful ugly.
14:51
<ogra>
right
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<ogra>
i wonder how we'll handle that in ubuntu ...
14:52
<vagrantc>
yes, i'm sure this will devolve into a debian vs. ubuntu debacle.
14:52
:)
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<ogra>
yes, especially sine we started to completely switch to debian packages with new upstream source ....
14:53
xorg was merged in edgy with debian again, but we use newer upstream tarballs ...
14:53
so the dependency problems will be inherited at some point
14:54
juts reintroduce x-window-system-core and make it depend on the right pckages ;)
14:54
<vagrantc>
heh.
14:54
<tiagovaz>
ogra, propose that in d-d :)
14:55
<ogra>
hah ... i'm ubuntu developer ... if i propose something in d-d we'll have to wait until the flames are done before i can discuss :)
14:57
<tiagovaz>
it's really funny this d-d fame
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<g333k_work>
Hi, I installed Fl_TeacherTool, but it tells me that there is no users connected, why?
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<g333k_work>
Hi my ws002 terminal only has a firefox window opened, I did top and list all the processes of ws002 and got that, I want you to explain me why there are many processes: http://pastebin.ca/307177
16:31
<vagrantc>
g333k_work: most of them are related to your window manager
16:32
g333k_work: and one of them is related to ltspfs, i think. (lbusd)
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<cliebow>
gd dialup again 8~(
17:45
gd windows again...8-(
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<jammcq>
hey homies
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<mistik1>
hey homie
22:20
<jammcq>
hey
22:21* jammcq is sitting in New York city
22:21
<jammcq>
it's like 65F here
22:23
<mistik1>
excellent
22:23
I hope it stays that way till next week when I return ;)
22:24
<jammcq>
I think on Sunday, the temp is supposed to drop
22:24
<mistik1>
figures
22:24
<jammcq>
68F and sunny in the afternoon tomorrow
22:24
<mistik1>
Well at least I got to wear a tshirt on new years ;)
22:24
<jammcq>
we're heading home in the early evening
22:25
<mistik1>
was the trip work/expo,conf or fun
22:25
<jammcq>
went to an astronomy lecture at the American Natural History museum
22:26
you guys ever see the APOD website?
22:26
<mistik1>
dont think so
22:27
<jammcq>
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
22:27
Astronomy Picture of the day
22:28
i've been watching that site for about 8 years now
22:28
turns out, the guy who started it is a professor at Michigan Tech, where my oldest daughter goes to school
22:28
anyway, the guy gave a lecture this evening, so my daughter and I flew in to see it
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<mistik1>
cool
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