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Channel log from 11 February 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<mathesis>
tenia usuario y no podia configurar
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<mathesis>
vagrantc, you can give link anterior
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<mathesis>
se vagrantc
01:17
estas despierto je je je
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<af_>
hi all
02:14
I have the graphic ldm? ok on the workstation, but I am not able to log in
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<BarryAllen>
hi all
09:34
please, someone can help with localdrives?
09:34
i found some docs about export they with samba... but i cant found anything about samba in the ltsp 4.1/2 docs
09:37
<cliebow>
BarryAllen: we abandoned samba shares..lemme find the twelve step troubleshooter
09:39
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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<BarryAllen>
cliebow, tks
10:40
<mphill>
are there any thin client online stores, my target price range is < $150 USD
10:46
<bronze>
mphill: see "devon it"
10:47
<mphill>
thank you
10:47
<bronze>
http://www.devonit.com/
10:47
they have some for $149
10:47
\usually you need to be buying used to get into that range
10:48
<mphill>
its ok
10:48
its for a school
10:49
<cliebow>
sales@ewayco.com
10:50
Tiny PC US$99 qty 1, 200Mhz fanless CPU, 128Mb Ram. ($85 qty)..problem is shipping/wiriing money
10:51
<petre>
I've got one of the Devon IT $149 machines; works great
10:51
If you buy 30+ of them, you can get the price down to $130
10:52
<mphill>
nice
10:52
<petre>
they're not as tiny as the Tiny PC, but easier to get
10:52
They're about the size of a hardcover novel
10:52
<mphill>
well thanks, I have to run... I will look into Devon.
10:53
<petre>
cliebow, did you ever get your Tiny PC?
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10:55
<salotti>
hi there, I have a server 64 bits / clients 64 bits lan here working fine, on edubuntu. where i can find info to boot i386 pcs too on the same server??
11:21
<BarryAllen>
cliebow, ... im having problem to instal X11::Protocol... cpan does not found my DISPLAY... that why im logged remotely with ssh
11:22
some tip, to "avoid" that check?
11:33
cliebow, ... i skiped the tests, i think works now...
11:33
jsut one more thing....
11:34
in that doc... i found packages for a lot of distros... but im using the iso packages into my box.... is there an "localdev" tgz ?
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11:59
<cliebow>
hmm..seems to me i somehow opened the rpm and grabbed the stuff out of it..did it manually more or less
11:59
pretty straightforward really..
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12:04
<BarryAllen>
... ... some steps forward.... now, i get the name of the partitions on my dekstop... but they "seems" empty
12:06
<mathesis>
hi
12:08
In ltsp 5 it is necessary to define in lts.conf the audio one for each termina?
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<nofxx>
how to use nvidia gpu drivers on the clients?
12:11
ccherrett: hey man... remember me from the broadcom network prblem?? yea.. it was the damn broadcom.... now running perfect on realtek
12:13
<cliebow>
BarryAllen:prob perms on /dev/fuse..or you dont have a fuse group..if perms on /dev/fuse are 666 you should be golden
12:13
nofxx: you speaking to me?
12:15
<nofxx>
cliebow: hey man.. yea.. you too .... ogra too.... that annoying kernel panic
12:15
<BarryAllen>
yeap, just a sec, ill check it
12:17
<cliebow>
nofxx: cool! glad you got around that..
12:18
<nofxx>
cliebow: its incredible fast man....ltsp got me!
12:20
now I just need to set up a i386 image too...
12:23
<cliebow>
what are you in ppc?
12:24
you drank the koolaid too!
12:30
<BarryAllen>
cliebow, working now, tks a lot :)
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<BarryAllen>
cliebow, and about sound... i found some xtras packages to ltsp 4.1
12:37
i can use that with ltsp 4.2 ?
12:41
<cliebow>
sound is an enigma to me...i have it working ore or less..but havnt a clue what was the instrumental step
12:42
but yes..i think nothing changed there.Scottie has been working on it with ogra and jammcq
12:42
<BarryAllen>
ok, ill try the extra packages of 4.1 :)
12:43
im very impressed with fuse... its very good!
12:44
s/impressed/impressioned
12:44
rs
12:45
<nofxx>
any good link for installing a i386 image on edubuntu?
12:46
<mathesis>
se ogra
12:54
<cliebow>
you meana root file system?
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<cliebow>
n0fxx: you mean a root file system?
12:56
<DigitalNinja>
Does the Ubuntu version of LTSP use "lts.conf"? It's not in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
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<DigitalNinja>
Just googled for lts.conf and Ubuntu
13:00
They don't put one in by default
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I need to create one
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<nofxx>
help getting a i386 boot on my edubuntu 64 server... please..?? heh
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<nofxx>
cliebow: hey sorry ... missed .. yes... the root file system
13:24
and you need to change some stuff on dhcp too , right? 64 go /opt/amd64 ... /i386
13:24
<cliebow>
i can tar one up..but it will be tomorrow prob..cause i have wrong hard drive in the lappie
13:24
<nofxx>
that's all I know...
13:24
hum... i think I get it... I need a i386 already installed... can be on another machine?
13:25
then just put the hd in this pc?
13:26
<cliebow>
you can build on one machine tar it andd move it..i think even you can take edubuntu ltsp5 root file syataem and kernel..and run it on another distro..as long as you use its kernel
13:26
there would be a couple things missing
13:26
<nofxx>
so ... hum.. gonna install edubuntu 32 on machine A, tar all the /
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machine b ltsp-build-client machineA.tar
13:27
<cliebow>
or i c an just put one up for you..might haVE ALREADY
13:28
<nofxx>
being ubuntu ... heheh this should be on the repositories... why not?
13:28
well that's great
13:28
won't make too trouble for ya?
13:29
<cliebow>
http://169.244.3.137/nfs/ltsp5.tar.gz
13:29
<nofxx>
404
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<cliebow>
yeah..gotta move it
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cd ..
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http://169.244.3.137/ltsp5.tar.gz
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whats that give ya
13:33
<nofxx>
a very cool download.. xD
13:33
<cliebow>
it will be a little slow..
13:33
<nofxx>
wow its great...170kb
13:34
<cliebow>
ac202bfa889a4ea2021b1b79af79a706
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md5sum
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<nofxx>
ah tnx....
13:34
man this is complex.... hum.. what distro is you are givin me ??? heheh makes difference?
13:35
ltsp-build-client yourfile.tar /otp/ltsp/i386 is what i need ??
13:36
<cliebow>
just tar -xzvf
13:36
its all built
13:37
<nofxx>
cliebow: hahah... cool
13:38
now just tweak /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
13:39
<cliebow>
sure..might just llook itr over..pretty sure i sent the right stuff
13:39
<nofxx>
ahh that iincludes dhcpd.conf ? hey where I send the beer?
13:42
man I 'm hungry... brb
13:43
<wizzy>
I have set up ldap authentication for login. I see that libnss_ldap searches for (&(objectClass=shadowAccount)(uid=andyr))
13:43
I do not have shadow anything in my ldap dir - can I ask it to skip that objectClass, or substitute posixAccount ?
13:43
<cliebow>
send the beer to ogra and jammcq 8~)
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<DigitalNinja>
If I setup Firefox as a local application can I listen to sound on the net?
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<str4nd>
ogra: Gentoo, Debian or Ubuntu to HP Proliant DL 360 G5?
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<nofxx>
cliebow: oh man.. unbelievble.... power just gone
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was 91%.... : (
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<cliebow>
say what???
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<nofxx>
cliebow: 3th time lost power.... but finally I got the file
16:12
everything was working here just fine... now the clients stops on the splash screen... where is that file to enable verbose mode???? totally forgot
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<cliebow>
pxelinux.cfg?
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<mathesis>
i need keyboar in latam in edubuntu
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<doofy2>
so im a little confused. Once you install ltsp how do you choose which os you want the thin clients to run?
19:14
that was worded terribly... ignore it please
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<petre>
cliebow: did you ever get your $99 mini pc?
20:57
<cliebow>
never did..couldnt get my visa to go thru..school didnt fornt hte money..and for one unit it seemed a lot of overhead
20:57
balls!
20:57
never did..couldnt get my visa to go thru..school didnt front the money..and for one unit it seemed a lot of overhead
20:57
<petre>
I'd like to get one, but I figure I'll wait until a US distributor is established
20:58
'course, that'll probably drive the price up a bit.
20:58
<cliebow>
ive tried to get ron at diskless to look into it..but never made contact
20:59
i tried thru eway.com too..wiring the money was like 30 dollara
20:59
school seems quitre happy iusing junk and lleftovers
21:00
<petre>
one would think someone in the US would be importing them big time
21:00
but I've not heard of anyone doing so thus far
21:01
<cliebow>
really..i have lots of ibooks waiting to die..but cant get em to use windows dhcp
21:01
<petre>
yes, free is nice
21:01
<cliebow>
they would make tidy clients
21:01
<petre>
will they work with linux's dhcpd
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<cliebow>
yep
21:02* petre can't remember the name/TLA of the group that make the stock dhcpd
21:02
<cliebow>
but htey need port 67..and my linux dhcpp is on 1001
21:02
<petre>
ah, and windows dhcpd is on 67?
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<cliebow>
yes
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<petre>
so that ne'er the two shall meet?
21:03
why do you need the windows dhcpd?
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<cliebow>
yes..but most will get htheir paramaeters from windows..like the netvista...i.. dont..need windows dhcp but that is what is set up..
21:05
<petre>
right, gotta fit into existing infrastructure
21:05
are you running any OS X servers?
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<cliebow>
my eyes have gone crossed trying to figure out why an g3 bondi pos will boot perfectly..but the g3 ibook wont from windows
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<cliebow>
osx..just the imaging machine on a seperate network
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<cliebow>
ive finetoothed the packets..
21:07
windows offers...there is Nothing i can see to make one macintoosh work the other not
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other than knowing one requires bootp..the other dhcp
21:08
<petre>
I thought all Macs were the same ;-)
21:08
<cliebow>
me too...
21:08
<petre>
at least, that's what my mac friends brag about
21:08
<cliebow>
course the minimac is another hoss altogether
21:08
<petre>
brag is probably too strong a word, but you get the idea
21:08
<cliebow>
yes
21:08
<petre>
do you know if anyone has gotten sound working with Mac TCs?
21:09
<cliebow>
the proprietary stuff drives me crazy..
21:09
<petre>
I thought I saw something on the K12LTSP list about a while back, but can't find anything in the archives now
21:09
<cliebow>
yes i know several that have claimed to.havnt tried to reprofuce
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<petre>
I think Kronebusch had to give up and move onto other things before he got it working
21:10
<cliebow>
stefan even claims to have sound on the ibm netvista client
21:10
with a ppc cpu
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<petre>
yeah, been following that; sounds cool
21:10
more cpu archs, the better
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<cliebow>
nice work..tjhough i havnt made it work yet 8`)
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<petre>
my (kids') school has a ton of old macs
21:11
<cliebow>
i wish diskless could make their clients more affordable..they gave me one to show off ..but no takers at 300 each..
21:12
<petre>
they'd make great TCs, but the techs aren't very adventurous, so if sound doesn't work, they won't even try I suspect
21:12
<cliebow>
the macs without openfirmware ive never tacckled
21:12
<petre>
yeah, I'd love to support jamcq's company, but the price is a bit high
21:12
<cliebow>
id bet using the ltsp5 of ogras they would..for a root filesystem
21:13
<petre>
Devon has better prices, though I've only got one unit
21:14
you think ogra's 5 sound will work with the old macs?
21:14
is that all the gstreamer stuff?
21:14
sorry, you meant the openfirmware macs
21:14
<cliebow>
id need to ask..to be sure..the soundcard detection should be awesome
21:15
<petre>
are those the older ones
21:15
<cliebow>
are yours openfirmware?
21:15
<petre>
not sure--don't know my macs too well
21:15
for the pilot I got the superintendent to finance, we're using a bunch of dell laptops that my company donated
21:15
about 80 of 'em
21:15
<cliebow>
at boot..try cmd-opt o-f see if they boot to openfirmware
21:16
are they puce? and lime green..and other really "newworld"colors?
21:17
<petre>
those are the transluscent, kinda high gloss colored ones, right?
21:17
I've seen some blue ones, some greyish ones
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<cliebow>
ummmm..not too sure..if they boot to openfirmware they should netboot
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<vagrantc>
sound detection for ubuntu's ltsp5 should be as good as sound card detection for ubuntu ...
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<petre>
They also have a bunch of really old beige plastic cased ones
21:18
<vagrantc>
that's the whole idea behind ltsp 5 :)
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<cliebow>
otherwise..nmo one i know of has worked out the details to make em "chubby" clients
21:18
<vagrantc>
though there's a few gotchas, with remote sound ...
21:18
<petre>
vagrantc: I bought a celeron box recently, MSI motherboard I think
21:18
dapper won't run, nor will edgy
21:19
it locks up during the hardware detection
21:19
bummer
21:19
OTOH, fedora 6 installed without a hitch, so that's what it's running now.
21:19
<cliebow>
i had one today crap out with edgy..but dapper installed fine
21:19
<petre>
I'm hoping feisty will run on it.
21:20
install nothing--I can't even get it to run from the livecd
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<cliebow>
petre..let me know if your macs boot to openfirmware..
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<petre>
I'll check next week (not this coming week--the tech at the school is on vacation this coming week)
21:21
I had a loaner mac for a while; it netbooted
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<cliebow>
i used nubus mac s chubbies for a year...with kernel/initrd on the local hard drive..but i used mklinux booter nd that wot work on g3..far as i know\\
21:22
<petre>
I recall that you helped me get that running
21:22
but I had to give it back when fall came
21:22
the screen was always a bit dim i thought
21:22
<cliebow>
i did?? Cool!! there is a cetain amount of voodoo and pixie duxt involved locally
21:23
that i cant help with from maine
21:23
<petre>
my hope has always been that the school techs, once they see the ease of administration with a LTSP,
21:23
would use their old macs as thin or chubby clients
21:23
<cliebow>
absolutely..
21:23
<petre>
the tech director even understands the idea, but nothing ever comes of it
21:24
may be a bit of 'not invented here'
21:24
<cliebow>
i run remote admin for twelve schools all alone..but it takes 3 to keep the windows side going just for our district
21:25
<petre>
they also have to support the computer labs in the 'community-centers-that-used-to-be-schools'
21:25
which would be perfect for thin clients
21:25
we have three techs in the district office, which is attached to the high school
21:25
<cliebow>
it is a lot more complicated..but just the same i can take over a session in any school and see what they are having trouble with
21:25
<petre>
plus one tech in each of the elem. schools and the jr high.
21:26
<cliebow>
nx rocks!
21:26
<petre>
yeah, I love nx
21:27
<cliebow>
petre: i gotta pack it in..see ya next time around...lemme know if i can help with the ppc side
21:27
<petre>
will do
21:28
<cliebow>
Cool1
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<mathesis>
se vagrantc
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se ogra
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<kaos01>
hi, is ltsp4.2 work with broadcom NIC ?
21:59
i seemd to get an error
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<mathesis>
you boot floppy or pxeboot?
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se vagrantc
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<kaos01>
i had to use kernal param of NIC=tg3 :)
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<vagrantc_>
mathesis: usually pxe these days. but sometimes pxe on a floppy. not so much etherboot anymore.
23:04
<mathesis>
se vagrantc_ ya tengo trabajndo ltspfs and audio in the thinclient
23:08
vagrantc_, como puedo escuhar en mozilla firefox el audio de youtube.com
23:08
solo pudo yo ver los videos pero no escuho el audio
23:08
y con xmms si tengo audio en los clientes
23:08
<vagrantc_>
mathesis: no se ...
23:09
mathesis: necesito configurar firefox usa "esound"
23:10
<mathesis>
how can i configure firefox with esound , say me example please
23:10
<vagrantc_>
no se
23:31
<mathesis>
vagrantc_, who is for change language thin clients?
23:32
<vagrantc_>
mathesis: support for that is not very good... you can select it at login from LDM.
23:32
mathesis: but it won't remember between logins ... there should be a way to set the user default language, but i'm not real familiar with how to do that.
23:35
<mathesis>
my user defaul have fine the language
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<vagrantc_>
mathesis: maybe i don't understand your question, then ... ?
23:37
<mathesis>
vagrantc_, como tecleo ñ en ingles?
23:38
<vagrantc_>
mathesis: no entiendo la pregunta
23:39
<mathesis>
en el cliente cuando quiero escribir "ñ" ejecuta ";"
23:40
excuse
23:40
ready
23:40
i have the language fine
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<vagrantc_>
ok... you need to configure the terminals to use the appropriate keyboard.
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<mathesis>
sep
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<vagrantc_>
mathesis: en lts.conf: XKBLAYOUT, XKBMODEL, XKBRULES, XKBOPTIONS, XKBVARIANT ... no se cual necesita
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<mathesis>
XKBMODEL
23:44
vagrantc_, tengo que definirlo terminal por terminal?
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<vagrantc_>
mathesis: tiene al mismo tecladores por todo los terminales ?