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Channel log from 26 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<nicku>
how can i mount usb stick automatically in clients
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<nicku>
if i want clients to have some program do i want to install it to /opt/ltsp/i386 or normally to the server
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<johnny>
server
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<nicku>
johnny: for what is the /opt/ltsp/i386 used for
02:27
<johnny>
to boot the thin clients off of
02:27
they download it
02:28
it's just the minimal needed to connect to the server
02:29
<nicku>
so after i have made the image i don't really need it to anything
02:36
<johnny>
you need to let it sit there :)
02:36
you can modify it for certain things that are interesting
02:36
like applications that run local on the client, if your clients are powerful enough
02:36
so firefox+flash works better
02:36
or voip apps
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<nicku>
johnny: but if i use nbd are those files still used
02:50
<johnny>
no...
02:50
but i wouldn't suggest deleting them
02:51
since you will most likely want to upgrade it at some point
02:52
<nicku>
johnny: okay.. so if i use nbd and wan't to update the clients i have to update the /opt/ltsp/i386 and then redo the image
02:52
<johnny>
ltsp-update-image yes
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<nicku>
johnny: one more question.. how can i make usb to automount
02:54
example usb stick and cameras
02:54
<johnny>
they should just work..
02:54
only unpartitioned usb sticks do not work
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<nicku>
hmm.. they just don't seem to work :D
02:57
should i put localdev = y to lts.conf or is that default
03:00
<johnny>
that should be default
03:01
there's a debugging local devices howto on the ubunu wiki
03:05
<nicku>
okay i think that the problem is that my users aren't in the fuse group
03:06
my users are authed agains pam+winbind.. how can i put them in fuse group
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<johnny>
your users need a primary group of their user name
03:22
that tends to be the most common problem
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<johnny>
however winbind handles grouping
03:22
i have no idea
03:23
<kwakito>
hi, does anyone know how to install a searchable menu system in fedora? like the one used in linuxmint?
03:23
<johnny>
you can use the tracker applet to search for anything
03:23
or use the deskbar applet
03:23
or the main menu like in suse
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<johnny>
it was called gnome-main-menu in gentoo.. not sure what it is called anywhere else
03:30
<kwakito>
ic
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<nicku>
how can i put AD usergroups to fuse group. i need them to be able to use fuse
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<nicku>
what could be wrong when i can't use usb stick on thinclient even with local user accounts
06:47
there is also another problem with ltsp.. i have rdesktop running in screen 8 and ltsp in 7.. after a while it switches screens on it's own
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<beia_>
i need help
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<laga>
isn't that a beatles song?
06:52
<beia_>
i install debian and get ltsp-utils
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before ltspadmin to install packages
06:53
my version is 4.2
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i configured dhcp server.. this ok..
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but
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06:54
on boot for LAN, this message show
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PXE -0: File not found
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<nicku>
is your dhcpd configured properly.. what is the tftp path
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<ogra>
you really shouldnt run 4.2 unless you have a very very good reason to
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<beia_>
nicku what ?
07:14
<ltsppbot>
"beia_" pasted "DHCP conf" (25 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/114
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<cdshan>
Hello All ! I have just completed installing ltsp5 on Centos 5.2, In the documentation, it is suggested we run ltsp-build-client but I don't find any such command in my machine, could some one help me
07:25
<ogra>
it comes with the ltsp-server package usually
07:25
<cdshan>
ogra: I installed the server rpm but did not get the ltsp-build-client any suggestions?
07:26
<ogra>
no idea, where thr rpm installs it ... i only do ubuntu and debian usually
07:26
<cdshan>
or would it be in some other location on the machine and is not in the env path?
07:27
Any one to my rescue?
07:27
I have been trying to get this working for the last two days with very little luck.
07:30
<ogra>
wait for warren to come online (he is on a US timezone), he maintains the fedora port
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<cdshan>
ogra: would warren be online for the most part of the day?
07:41
If that be the case, I would take a break and be back for a full session.
07:42
Warren: are you there?
07:43
<ogra>
not sure how much he's online ... given that fedroa just had a release hw might even relax
07:43
*he
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<cdshan>
I ok
07:44
thanks for the input.,
07:44
I will try my luck latter
07:44
bye
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<nicku>
beia_: but / in front of the lts in filename
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<gate_keeper_>
hi guys, how should i change the login window on the thin clients ...
07:59
it's the gdm Human ..
07:59
?
08:00
<ogra>
gate_keeper_, you can set LDM_THEME in lts.cong to point to one of the three other shipped themes
08:00
*conf
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<metalfan_>
hi
08:07
is it possible to get ltsp working without a dhcp server? i only need one client/one server but dont have control about the running dhcp server
08:08
<ogra>
you need the dhcp server for netbooting
08:08
<metalfan_>
will boot from usb
08:08
<ogra>
if the existing one can be set up to do that you can indeed use this one
08:08
<laga>
metalfan_: yeah, booting from USB works
08:08
<ogra>
with hackery
08:08
and indeed its not actuall LTSP
08:09
*actually
08:09
<metalfan_>
well...its linux...inst it?
08:09
<nubae>
hackery sounds a lot like witchery
08:09
<ogra>
all scripts and tools are focused on netboot
08:09
<metalfan_>
what do you mean by "not actually ltsp"?
08:09
<ogra>
so LTSP is all about booting from the network
08:09
<metalfan_>
ok
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<ogra>
and all features and functions we write are aimed at that
08:10
<metalfan_>
makes sense
08:10
<ogra>
you can surely grab a ltsp chroot and modify it to do usb booting
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<ogra>
but it will require a good amount of work
08:11
<metalfan_>
usb was mentioned in some document on the ltsp site, so i was assuming that its possible
08:12
<nubae>
well usb is useful in wireless situations
08:13
diskless-workstations.com sells them I believe
08:13
<laga>
ogra: well, you can copy a kernel to the usb stick and then boot the chroot over the net.
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<ogra>
kernel and initramfs i guess
08:13
<metalfan_>
http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN67 <- there it is. you need to set the network information by hand, but is that all?
08:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
doews anyone else in here use xchat?
08:14
<ogra>
ltsp 4.x is dead since 3.5years
08:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
err... does
08:14
<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, yep
08:14
<metalfan_>
ok
08:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: I registered my nick. In mirc there's a place where I can put stuff in to be done when I join a server
08:15
where is that in here?
08:15
<metalfan_>
yeah, i skipped the 5.x docs because it looked like random info.....
08:15
<nubae>
!docs
08:15
<ltspbot>
nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
08:15
<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, in the network list
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<metalfan_>
Load the Linux kernel into the memory of the thin client. This can be done several different ways, either by using PXE, gPXE, Etherboot, or yaboot. <- is there a reason for grub not mentioned here?
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<metalfan_>
do you use Xvfb to have the xorg server start on the remote system?
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<ogra>
grub doesnt support network booting :)
08:25
no, we use xorg from the distro
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<gate_keeper_>
ogra, thx
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<metalfan_>
ogra, ah thx
08:28
ogra, whats the trick to get a normal xorg server running and redirecting input/output to another machine?
08:29
tried to use a normal xorg for vnc clients, but never got it running...currently Xvfb/x11vnc is used
08:29
<ogra>
read up about XDMCP
08:30
but note that LTSP doesnt use it anymore
08:30
we use ssh
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<metalfan_>
ah nice
08:34
just ssh?
08:35
you are not talking about a ssh tunnel for the xdmcp data?
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<ogra>
i do :)
08:38
essentially LDM (teh display manager we use) does ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
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<Gadi>
gutentag, all
08:39
:)
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<ogra>
:)
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<nubae>
Grüsse Gadi :-)
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<zoggop>
good morning
09:32
any ideas on why a thin client might be running really sluggishly (this is an ubuntu server serving thin clients over a 10/100 switch in the same room)?
09:33
<petre>
are any other clients on the same switch being sluggish?
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<zoggop>
yeah, it is a server problem, both clients act the same way
09:34
i think i've ruled out a memory issue
09:34
because even when there's plenty of memory free they are sluggish, especially rendering in firefox
09:36
<Appiah>
not the cpu going full?
09:41
<zoggop>
err, well reloading the gmail page in firefox causes one of the cpus to go to 80% usage for three seconds
09:43
i suppose going from ubuntu 6 to ubuntu 8 could simply be too much for the system
09:43
2GB, dual P4 2.8GHz...
09:44
maybe the bandwidth is being limited by one of the NICs on the switch...
09:44
sorry, thinking out loud
09:46
<Appiah>
O_o
09:46
Well its a more demanding firefox I belive..
09:47
<zoggop>
yeah that seems pretty absurd doesn't it?
09:48
just switching tabs causes one cpu to spike to 40%!
09:50
<highvoltage>
I need some help, I upgraded to Intrepid from Hardy on an ltsp machine
09:50
and now the keyboards aren't working on the clients
09:51
I had a similar problem before on a standalone machine where I just had to boot into the new intrepid kernel. these machines are booting the new kernel though
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<Comete>
hi
09:54
i use edubuntu 8.10 and i would like to change the default umask value for my LTSP thinclients, where can i set the new value (002) ?
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<petre>
Comete, /etc/profile?
09:56
<Comete>
petre: yes but this works only for users connecting directly on the server but not for those using a thinclient...
09:56
<petre>
ah, no, users are logging into the server, and running apps there and creating files there
09:56
or are you running local apps?
09:57
which is rather cutting edge
09:57
unless you're running local apps, it just looks like their running on the thin client
09:58
<Comete>
no local apps on the thinclient, all apps are on the server
10:00
<petre>
Comete, then when users login, they are being logged into the server
10:00
<Comete>
by example if i log on to the server and open nautilus and create a file, it works (with /etc/profile and umask 002 value in it) but now if i login using a thinclient with the same user and do the same , it doesn't work...
10:01
<petre>
Comete, what if you login via TC and then touch a new file in a terminal?
10:01
nautilus doesn't always work the same as a command line
10:01
I'm not sure in this case
10:02
<Comete>
it doesn't work either in a terminal an a simple "touch"
10:02
<petre>
what permissions/umask are you seeing if the file is created via TC?
10:03
<Comete>
the default 022
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<petre>
are you encrypting the whole session or just the login?
10:05* petre wonders if the use of ssh changes things like umask
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<Comete>
i use ldm to connect with thinclient
10:07
so ssh i think ?
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<petre>
right, there's an XDMCP setting you can use if you only wnat the login over ssh
10:08
I can't recall it ATM (someone here should chime in with the specifics)
10:08
but by default, I think it puts everything over SSH
10:09
<warren>
Comete: have you plugged a single client directly into the server?
10:09
<petre>
nevertheless, once you're logged in, you're logged in to the server
10:09
<Comete>
warren: yes only one at the moment
10:09
<warren>
and still slow?
10:09
<petre>
and that means the umask in /etc/profile should take effect
10:09
<Comete>
warren: slow ?
10:10
<petre>
warren, that's zoggop
10:10
<Comete>
petre: yes but it doesn't
10:10
<zoggop>
hrm?
10:10
<petre>
Comete wants to change the umask
10:10
<warren>
oh
10:10
<Comete>
:)
10:10
<petre>
files are getting 022 instead of 002 even though it's set to 002 in /etc/profile
10:11
right Comete ?
10:11* petre has wrestled with similar problems in the past
10:11
<Comete>
yes except when login directly on the server itself
10:11
<petre>
Comete, what happens if you ssh into the server from a fat client?
10:12
<Comete>
good idea
10:12
<petre>
warren, I talked to William Fragakis about his jetpipe issue:
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<petre>
it was indeed a system that had formerly been K12LTSP and that he had upgraded
10:13
<Comete>
petre: i test and come back thanks
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<warren>
but jetpipe was fine with an earlier version of k12linux?
10:13
<petre>
not that that shouldn't work, but his jetpipe problem may be an isolated case
10:13
<warren>
oh
10:14
petre: _UsUrPeR_ found yesterday that jetpipe is broken in F9 (the last two versions) due to a selinux-policy issue
10:14
<petre>
ah, I don't think LTSP 4.2 used jetpipe
10:14
oh, so we do have a problem
10:14
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: did you file a bug? I really need the exact text of that AVC
10:14
petre: if _UsUrPeR_ is correct, then it couldn't have worked for ANYONE but William was the first to complain
10:14
<petre>
good ol' selinux
10:15
<warren>
petre: although ogra yesterday said jetpipe has new crashes after the hackfest
10:15
<petre>
I know, I know, it's a good thing; it's just a pain sometimes
10:15
<warren>
selinux-policy is only a bug
10:16
"Oh man, it is such a pain to get a new rule into the firewall, I'll just turn the corporate firewall OFF."
10:16
that's how people behave about selinux.
10:16
it is EASY to get new rules into selinux upstream
10:16
usually you just hand the AVC text to dwalsh and it just happens
10:16
sometimes he asks you a question
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<petre>
the fact that many people react by just turning it off suggests it could use a better interface
10:18
so, if policy is set to just 'warn', does jetpipe still have a problem?
10:18
<warren>
petre: according to _UsUrPeR_ no
10:18
petre: the thing is, the default policies have been getting so good lately, that few people ever turn it off
10:18
it was just really bad in the early days
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<petre>
except for those of us who just got in the habit of turning it off because of the difficult early days
10:19* petre blushes
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<warren>
FILE BUGS
10:22
<rjune>
*really* bad.
10:22
<warren>
those bugs tend to be the ones that get fixed the fastest of all bugs
10:22
Here's a surprise: EVEN RHEL
10:22
he fixes those same bugs in RHEL5 rapidly
10:23
<rjune>
Does centos commit bugfixes back upstream?
10:23
<warren>
rjune: centos has to file bugs in RH bugzilla
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<rjune>
they don't fix any bugs themselves?
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<Comete>
petre: so if i use a fat client to connect with ssh, it works...
10:29
<petre>
Comete, as it should ;-)
10:29
<Comete>
i get a 002 umask value as set in /etc/profile
10:30
so there something with thinclients
10:30
and don't know why
10:30
maybe LDM or Xorg
10:32
<petre>
I don't have access to a thin client ATM; can anyone else coroborate Comete's experience?
10:36* _UsUrPeR_ 's ears are burning
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sorry I did not respond earlier
10:38
warren: I am not sure a bug report needs to be filed. It appears that I just need to add an exception in SELinux to get the job done
10:38
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: yes... but if I have that AVC text, I can make it work automatically for everyone
10:38
_UsUrPeR_: if you install it for another customer in the future it will JUST OWRK
10:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh. The problem was allowing CUPS to access the /etc/hosts file.
10:39
if I used an IP address, everything worked great
10:39
but using a hostname was not allowed because SELinux was blocking access to hosts
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<warren>
I know
10:40
file the AVC text
10:40
that should be fixed
10:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
okok, let me get the actual error
10:40
I have to switch some stuff around on the server to get this error again
10:41* warren whack.
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<Comete>
petre: i must leave now thanks
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<warren>
I have to shower and drive now
10:41
bbl
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<_UsUrPeR_>
when you refer to the AVC text, do you mean the alert that goes up?
10:42
<alkisg>
metalfan_: for booting without dhcp, you may copy /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz and initrd locally and boot them with grub with kernel parameter ip=<ip;gw;server etc>. The rest will be loaded from the network normally. And there's also a modified gpxe from slitaz.org which can remotely load vmlinuz with static network parameters.
10:43
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: tail -f /var/log/audit/audit.log, hit ENTER a few times to make some blank spaces
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_UsUrPeR_: then cause the error. you'll see a AVC
10:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
k, I have saved the report from the selinux GUI and also copy-pasta'd the /var/log/audit/audit.log in to the same file.
10:46
!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
10:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
!pastebot
10:47
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:48
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "AVC error w/ CUPS and the hosts file" (112 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/115
10:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
there you go.
10:48
warren: I can also email the .txt file to you if you want
10:50
where did that bug need to go? I distinctly recall that you had said this has nothing to do with ltsp, but it needed to be fixed elsewhere
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<metalfan_>
alkisg, thx
10:53
<alkisg>
metalfan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithoutDHCP for more info
10:55
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: e-mail it ot me
10:55
i'll file it
10:55
<metalfan_>
looks like ltsp uses nfsv3 or ndb, is the connection encrypted?
10:55
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: oh, also e-mail me your cups config
10:55
_UsUrPeR_: that causes the error
10:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
what's your addy?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: also, where is cups config kept on the system? I am just using the gui to config.
10:56
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: /etc/cups/something
10:56
_UsUrPeR_: grep for the hostname
10:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: I am seeing /etc/cups/printers.conf
10:58
that's the config for that specific printer
10:58
I'll email you the hosts file too
10:59
warren: what's your email address?
10:59
<warren>
wtogami@redhat.com
10:59
gotta drive now
10:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
k, later
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: sent
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<cdshan>
Hello, I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my server and would like to install ltsp5 on it. Could some one guide me as to where I could find the required files. Or the changes to be done to the yum.conf and the corresponding .repo file so that I could use yum to install the same.
11:27
:'(
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<Q-FUNK>
hmm, an ltsp5 port to CentOS would nice, actually
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<cdshan>
I believe the k12linuxltsp the es version is built on centos but the issue is that I am able to access only the iso image and not the individual rpms to be installed.
11:33
<pscheie>
warren got ltsp5 working on RHEL 5 (or was it Centos?) but with a fedora chroot
11:33
he and another fellow started working on getting a full RHEL implementation working at BTS
11:34
<cdshan>
but unfortunately I am not able to get in touch with warren!
11:35
hope he see these messages and replies. I have even posted on the mailing list
11:35
<pscheie>
he's not here right now
11:35
I thought he posted some notes somewhere; let me look
11:36
<cdshan>
What would be a best time to catch him! That will be great
11:37
<pscheie>
Oh, about 30 minutes ago would have been good. ;-)
11:37
brb
11:38
<cdshan>
I was logged on about 2 hours back, just took a dinner break and I guess lost him over my dinner :)
11:44
pscheie: Any luck with the documents warren had posted?
11:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
huh
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<stgraber>
Gadi: I'm about to test your xrandr xinitrc.d script, anything I should focus on ?
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<jammcq>
hellooooo #ltsp
13:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
sup jammcq
13:11
I am doing a new install of ubuntu 8.10 to test out ltsp 5 functionality.
13:11
and am having an issue getting TFTP to send over an image to the client
13:11
it's stopping waiting for tftp from the server
13:11
no firewall
13:11
<jammcq>
hmm
13:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
it seems like tftpd-hpa is not running
13:13
grepping for it in ps aux shows nothing running
13:13
<jammcq>
do this: netstat -anp | grep ":69 "
13:13
<ogra>
check inetd.conf
13:14
<jammcq>
that'll tell us if anything is listening on port 69 (tftpd)
13:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
nothing showing in netstat
13:15
<jammcq>
yeah, do: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
13:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
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13:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, it shows as follows: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpdboot
13:16
<ogra>
sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
13:16
<jammcq>
maybe you just need to restart inetd
13:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
there's three other lines in there as well, but I figured this is the mose importent
13:16
<ogra>
and try again
13:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
after restert; still not showing a listening port on ;69
13:18
and no dice on client boot
13:19
<ogra>
did oyu install from CD ?
13:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
i am running 8.10 -- installed 1 hour ago. fully updated
13:19
after update; apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
13:19
<ogra>
ah, so you didnt do the CD install
13:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
cd install/
13:20
<ogra>
!ubuntu
13:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
err ?
13:20
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
13:20
<ogra>
see the quickistall doc
13:20
the alternate CD has a ltsp install mode
13:20
thats definately tested a lot more than installing ltsp manually
13:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
haha oh wow. Nice touch.
13:21
ok, I'll give that another shot.
13:21
in the mean time, what broke in manual install?
13:21
<ogra>
it might need a reboot though
13:21
not sure why inetd isnt picking it up
13:21
i noticed that happens sometimes and a reboot solves it
13:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
i didnt see anything in messages or syslog
13:21
ok, lemme give that a shot
13:22* _UsUrPeR_ thanks god for vmware
13:22
<ogra>
th eupdate-inetd program that adds the tftp line to the config usually restarts the tftp server
13:22
err, vmware ?
13:22
i think vmware adds its on tftpserver somewhere
13:23
<laga>
ogra: that's something that doesnt always seem to work (update-inetd stuff)
13:23
<ogra>
laga, yeah, i'll look into it in jaunty if i find time
13:23
<laga>
ogra: same here...
13:23
<ogra>
bu vmware is knwn to do some evil stuff
13:24
vmware server forcefully pulls in crap like xinetd iirc ...
13:24
_UsUrPeR_, ^^^ check that you only have openbsd-inetd installed
13:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: when you say "only" you mean what?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
check for other inetd installs?
13:25
<ogra>
yeah
13:25
dpkg -l|grep inetd
13:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
openbsd-inetd and update-inetd
13:26
that's all it shows
13:26
<ogra>
thats fine
13:26
well, if you use an internal network in vmware there is anothet tftp server it adds itself ...
13:27
i heard people have lots of probs with it with ltsp
13:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, no. I only make servers in vmware
13:27
the clients are external hardware
13:27
as a server, vmware works fine
13:27* ogra never touches vmware
13:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
I could see clients getting a little hokey
13:28
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: was that F9 with all updates that you hit the selinux denial?
13:28
_UsUrPeR_: is that box still running? I could use specific versions
13:29
rpm -q cups selinux-policy ltsp-server ldm
13:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: Let me get you the ver.
13:32
warren: cups-1.3.9-1.fc9.i386, selinux-policy-3.3.1-103.fc9.noarch, ltsp-server-5.1.26-1.fc9.i386, package ldm is not installed
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<warren>
thanks
13:34
_UsUrPeR_: ltsp-server-5.1.26 and the newer ltsp-server, same issue correct?
13:34
_UsUrPeR_: the cups daemon is running on this server correct?
13:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
correct
13:35
exact same server
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: there is no option in the installation of 8.10 for "install an ltsp server"
13:43
flpxj
13:43
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: you might want to change the names of things before e-mailing them, so I don't know this is at a defense contractor...
13:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
nm I see it
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<ogra>
:)
13:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
flpxj
13:44
warren: thanks for the very public reminder :)
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<warren>
I didn't say which defense contractor that is not Raytheon, BAE. General Dynamics, Boeing, Lockheed, or Northrop.
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13:48* _UsUrPeR_ pictures his apartment door being kicked in by a heavily-armed FBI SWAT unit...
13:48
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: type=AVC msg=audit(1227724974.326:1639): avc: denied { read } for pid=2699 comm="cupsd" name="hosts" dev=dm-0 ino=37988257 scontext=system_u:system_r:cupsd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=system_u:object_r:dosfs_t:s0 tclass=file
13:48
_UsUrPeR_: any idea why it has dosfs_t?
13:48
<Gadi>
vagrantc: ping
13:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: not a clue. dosfs = DOS File System?
13:49
<warren>
I presume so
13:49
_UsUrPeR_: was this running off of a usb stick?
13:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
no. this system has had no contact with a windows environment
13:50
<warren>
ok, odd to have dosfs_t there.
13:50
<vagrantc>
Gadi: avast!
13:51
<Gadi>
lol
13:51
stgraber's had a lot of good testing results with the xrandr script
13:51
before I push upstream, I want to make sure it is good-to-go on debian and fedora
13:51
<vagrantc>
i haven't had a chance to test on real hardware, but it's terrible with virtualbox, which is my primary test environment
13:52
<Gadi>
he tested with intel, via, and other real hardware
13:52
<stgraber>
yeah, the VB video driver just crashes when you do a xrandr --mode call
13:52
<Gadi>
ah
13:52
<stgraber>
but it's not Gadi's script fault, the driver is buggy
13:53
<ogra>
depends which one you use ;)
13:53
<vagrantc>
yes, but if it doesn't work reliably everwhere it's used, i wouldn't want it to be default behavior
13:53
<ogra>
i doubt you guys have the actual vb driver installed :)
13:53
<stgraber>
vagrantc: you shouldn't have XRANDR_MODE_0 set by default so it won't crash
13:53
<ogra>
(which is only available if you install the guest stuff in the client)
13:53
<vagrantc>
Gadi, stgraber: have you tested with the vesa driver?
13:54
<ogra>
vb should use vesa by default actually
13:54
unless you install the guest additions in the client and use a custom xorg.conf
13:54
<vagrantc>
stgraber: yeah, but it'll set that based on X_MODE_0
13:54
<stgraber>
vagrantc: right, but X_MODE_0 doesn't work at all yet, right ?
13:55
<vagrantc>
stgraber: works in debian
13:55
<stgraber>
it only works if you use CONFIGURE_X which should make Gadi's script not to start
13:55
<Gadi>
how about if we use the xrandr script if CONFIGURE_X=False?
13:55
<stgraber>
Gadi: yeah, would make sense
13:55
<ogra>
definately
13:55
<Gadi>
ok. I need to add a conditional then
13:55
<vagrantc>
sounds reasonable.
13:55
i have a gut feeling it's not good enough, though...
13:56
<ogra>
.oO(all that old cruft)
13:56
vagrantc, it definately wont if you want to use that on etch
13:56* Gadi wonders how to fix vagrantc's gut...
13:56
<vagrantc>
i definitely have no plans for etch, but want to ensure it works on lenny
13:57
<ogra>
the xrandr at etch time was still very young
13:57
<Gadi>
ah, I know why his gut hursts
13:57
*hurts
13:57
<ogra>
vagrantc, it works on hardy ... lenny should have the same xorg
13:57
<Gadi>
because people with earlier lts.confs will not have CONFIGURE_X=True because that is the current default
13:58
<ogra>
its not
13:58
at least in ubuntu
13:58
<vagrantc>
it's upstream default
13:58
<ogra>
CONFIGURE_X=False is the default
13:58
huh
13:58
wo reverted that ?
13:58
<vagrantc>
CONFIGURE_X=False, that is
13:58
<ogra>
*who
13:58
ah
13:58
<Gadi>
ah
13:58
ok
13:59
so, good
13:59
<johnny>
CONFIGURE_X is false by default now?
13:59
<Gadi>
I'll add a conditional
13:59
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i'd say add the conditional, and worst case is we revert it
13:59
<ogra>
johnny, since a while already
13:59
<johnny>
nice
13:59
<ogra>
vagrantc, do you plan to pull that into lenny pre release ?
14:00
<johnny>
i was already forcing it off
14:00
i guess i don't need it anymore
14:00
<vagrantc>
ogra: pull what?
14:00
<ogra>
apart from you nobody has a release ahead ...
14:01
<vagrantc>
i'm stuck at what feel like ancient versions of everything for lenny, but i want to keep backportability as much as possible. but i can add patches to the backports if something's totally unacceptible for upstream.
14:01
<ogra>
i mean wrt breakage ... if we can just drop in soething broken for a test phase that could help
14:02
to get feedback from ditro testers
14:02
<vagrantc>
i'm fine with it with the conditional
14:02
<ogra>
*distro
14:02
<vagrantc>
wrap the whole thing in: if ! boolean_is_true "$CONFIGURE_X" ; then ... ; fi
14:02
<ogra>
yeah
14:03* ogra is aching for CONFIGURE_X to vanish
14:04* vagrantc can feel ogra's ache across 2 continents and a puddle
14:04
<ogra>
heh :)
14:04
<vagrantc>
works either direction, too :)
14:04
<ogra>
yeah
14:04
<Gadi>
ok
14:04
I pushed the conditional into my branch
14:05
stgraber: can you just pull and test for me just to make sure I didnt do anything stupid
14:05
:)
14:06
if this one's a go, I'll merge into upstream
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<stgraber>
Gadi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/77197/
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<Gadi>
stgraber: a few things
14:35
1. why use awk, when you can use cut?
14:35* Gadi hates having awk dependencies
14:35
<Gadi>
2. are u sure about your virtual calcaulations?
14:36
*calculations
14:36
<stgraber>
they work fine with my Intels here
14:36
<Gadi>
right, but
14:36
say you want 2 1024x768 displays
14:36
virtual should be: 2048 2048, right?
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<Gadi>
to allow for max number of positions
14:38* Gadi goes to whiteboard to draw boxes
14:38
<Gadi>
:)
14:39
or is it just the sum of all verts and the sum of all horzs?
14:39
<stgraber>
Gadi: 1024x1536 is the max
14:39
*2048x1536
14:40
you can't have something bigger than 1536px verticaly
14:40
<Gadi>
so, sum of all verts and sum of all horizontals
14:40
right?
14:40
<stgraber>
yeah, that's what I do
14:40
<Gadi>
ah, then you have a typo
14:40
in your R_HORIZ calculation
14:41
and, I would prefer the awks to morph into: cut -dx -f1 and cut -dx -f2
14:42
if that's ok
14:42
also, I can merge your for loop into mine
14:42
so we don't loop twice
14:43
I can just calculate as I go
14:43
now, keep in mind, this will affect your other hacks in ltsp-cluster
14:43
<pscheie>
what's the syntax for creating things like !pastbin
14:44
pastebin
14:44
remember? learn?
14:44
<Gadi>
pscheie: you mean to teach it to the bot?
14:44
<pscheie>
yes
14:44
<Gadi>
pscheie: !learn <term> as <explanation>
14:44
iirc
14:45
<pscheie>
hmm, I suppose the bot has to be running first, doesn't it
14:45
<stgraber>
Gadi: well, this script will have to go in hack.d as it needs to be run before X
14:46
Gadi: but I need to implement hack.d first
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<stgraber>
Gadi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/77202/
14:46
<Gadi>
stgraber: well, perhaps instead of >>, we can sed xorg.conf intelligently
14:47
so hacks don't step on each other
14:47
:)
14:47
<stgraber>
yeah, this one is my only hack on Screen, so I planned to run all my other hacks, then finish with this one
14:47
<Gadi>
hmm
14:48
why do you subshell the cats?
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14:48
<Gadi>
as opposed to:
14:48
cat <<EOF >>/etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:48
does it make a difference?
14:50
I think this hack should be merged with the xrandr script and have an X_VIRTUAL_AUTO=<boolean> var to turn off the behavior
14:50
(on by default)
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<rjune>
!G
15:00
<ltspbot>
rjune: "G" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Gadi>
hey, rjune
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<mistik1>
hey fellas
15:31* Gadi rubs his eyes
15:31
<Gadi>
in disbelief
15:31
nah... couldnt be....
15:31* mistik1 looks around
15:32
<mistik1>
whacha working on?
15:33
<Gadi>
get my head screwed on straight
15:34
u?
15:34
<mistik1>
a flowchart app in actionscript
15:34
<Gadi>
hehe
15:34
from java to actionscript
15:34
mistik1 does it all
15:34
:)
15:34
<mistik1>
hehe
15:35
I have to pinch myself at time wondering if its really me coding flash
15:35
and not even from the CS from vim no less
15:35
<Gadi>
wow - I didnt know you could code flash on linux
15:36
<mistik1>
Its become quite a nice language afterall
15:36
with AS3 its now all type safe ala java
15:36
matter of fact its very very much like java
15:37
var obj:Object = new Object();
15:37
all looks the same to me :)
15:38
<Gadi>
cheater
15:38
<mistik1>
obj.foo = bar;
15:38
nah, cheating is using the flex GUI
15:38
which of course wont run on my 64bit anyway
15:39
<Gadi>
u in jersey for turkey day?
15:39
<mistik1>
yea
15:39
<Gadi>
nice
15:39
too bad I couldnt ping u for the trip to maine
15:39
i was looking for ya
15:39
but, u where awol
15:40
<mistik1>
Adeenha turned 13 two days ago
15:40
Yea, I was litterally burried under code
15:40
<Gadi>
mazel tov
15:40
<mistik1>
I now have another teenager on my hands :)
15:41
Gadi: So, how's the wife and family?
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<Gadi>
sorry - she actually had just called
15:43
weird
15:43
thank God, family is well
15:43
<mistik1>
good say howdy for me :)
15:43
<Gadi>
your teenager trumps my kindergartener, tho
15:43
:)
15:43
<mistik1>
heh
15:44
she's applying to high schools now
15:44
<Gadi>
tho, sometimes my kindergartener acts like he's a teenager
15:44
<mistik1>
I bet
15:44
<Gadi>
or an octogenarian
15:44
<mistik1>
enjoy these years my friend
15:45
<stgraber>
Gadi: you can't merge it with the xrandr one, I need it to be run before X and xrandr must be run after
15:46
<Gadi>
stgraber: ah! you are correct, sir
15:46
mistik1: wow! applying to high school
15:47
I remember those years
15:47
better her than me
15:47
:)
15:50
<mistik1>
well, we're trying our best to keep her out of the regular public schools
15:50
I hope she gets into one of the better Charter schools
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<mistik1>
With test scores between 80 & 100
15:51
% she should make it
15:54
<Gadi>
apple doesnt fall far, does it?
15:55
the other morning, my 5 year old shows me something on the fridge...
15:55
he arranged the alphabet refrigerator magnets into a 4x5 word-find array with four words buried inside
15:56
... or was it 5x5?
15:56
<mistik1>
awesome
15:56
Its nice when they actually *like* learning
15:56
<Gadi>
the 4 words were "Toby" "and" "Beni" Romm"
15:56
Toby's his friend
15:56
<mistik1>
so many today are just plain lazy
15:56
<Gadi>
yeah
15:57
I didnt think 5 year olds should be making puzzles that are found in second grade puzzle books :)
15:57
<mistik1>
I agree
15:57
<Gadi>
especially when you consider he was using fridge magnets with only one of each letter
15:58
so, he was already using a small sample set
15:58
amazing...
15:58
<mistik1>
frankly the learning system is so dated in the country you have to keep your child ahead of where they say they should be
15:58
<Gadi>
indeed
15:59
get him to run a company and balance the checkbook and Im going on vacation!
15:59
<mistik1>
mind you my girl is in a good school and when I was telling one of her teachers the other day that I had to learn my 12 times table before ever going to school she was shocked
16:00
<Gadi>
hehe
16:00
ok, we're closing up shop here.... I gotta start packing it in
16:00
great to see you around
16:00
<mistik1>
when I was a kid that table was on the back of every notebook and ruler
16:00
We actually had to recite the thing
16:00* Gadi is happy when he sees this:
16:00
<Gadi>
!seen mistik1
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: mistik1 was last seen in #ltsp 3 seconds ago: <mistik1> We actually had to recite the thing
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<mistik1>
heh
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<Gadi>
yeah - my folks were going thru old stuff at my grandparents and gave me a slide rule
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I must admit - an abacus I would know what to do with
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:)
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<mistik1>
indeed
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<Gadi>
of course, I hear "Generation Y" uses facebook to multiply by 12s
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<mistik1>
yea
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I think the computer oddly enough has become the death of learning
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Why do I need to learn it anymore I can just go google it
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<Gadi>
yup
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ok, man
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happy turkey day
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don't eat anything I wouldn't!
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<mistik1>
God help this generation when and do note I say *when* we lose power for any period
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<Gadi>
oh wait, thats too restrictive no doubt
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<mistik1>
Gadi: Certainly not
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<Gadi>
eat what you want - its a holiday
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:)
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<mistik1>
I think you would find that our diets are very close :)
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<Gadi>
indeed - strict diet of blue mountain coffee
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:)
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<mistik1>
heh
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<Gadi>
cheers
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<mistik1>
I must bring you some tomatoes next year
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take care bro
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<alkisg>
mistik1: "a flowchart app in actionscript" - is this going to be open source? I was looking to made such an app in flex, but flash in linux has a nasty bug, it doesn't allow international characters in input boxes... So I think I'll do it in some other language.
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mistik1: but if you happen to have some open source code for it, I'd like to have a look if I may...
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<mistik1>
alkisg: sorry it wont be opensource
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<alkisg>
mistik1: ok, no problem
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thanks
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<mistik1>
I have a link that can get you started though
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hang on a sec
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http://www.gergerconsulting.com/blog_files/flex/FlexDrawing/FlexDrawing.html
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<alkisg>
mistik1: I've seen some applications in flash, and I only liked a couple of commercial ones, but none could be used with international characters...
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<mistik1>
right click and seclect View Source
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<alkisg>
mistik1: thanks for the link, looking...
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<metalfan_>
do i put a neede "tar xf" into pre_install()?
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ups, wrong channel
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<metalfan_>
does ltsp encrypt the nfs mounts or is the data transfered in cleartext?
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<vagrantc>
clear
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same for NBD
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<metalfan_>
does nfsv4 support "root over nfs" ?
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<vagrantc>
possibly, although you'll still be booting insecurely over the network
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<metalfan_>
yes
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<metalfan_>
what about booting the kernel via usb?
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after the initial system is up one could mount encrypted nfsv4
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<vagrantc>
you could boot off of usb, yes. then you have to maintain all your boot media.
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<metalfan_>
true
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<vagrantc>
and you'd have to re-write some of the other code to have an authentication mechanism
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<metalfan_>
but in my case its only one system, im trying to get rid of the hd
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have to read about about ltsp auth
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<vagrantc>
well, nothing specific to LTSP ... it'd be whatever the encryption mechanism you're using uses.
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<metalfan_>
ah, of course
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with nfsv4 that would be kerberos
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which is a bit tricky, haven figured it out yet
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<vagrantc>
many have tried, some suceed, many fail.
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<alkisg>
Some thoughts for safe network booting: http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/safebootmode
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<elwarreno>
does ragnar ever hang out in here?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i wonder if that safebootmode thing is working with gPXE
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, I don't know if it's draft or if some of those were implemented as part of google code 2008
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<vagrantc>
but that sounds really promising
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alkisg: that page was last modified in 2006
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, yeah, signed kernels downloaded from the network sounds good!
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, it shouldn't be too hard to patch gpxe to do this
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<alkisg>
So maybe some work has been done already
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<vagrantc>
i think gPXE supports https ...
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as long as it actually verifies the signature somehow, that should do it
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, a problem would be that this verification would be gpxe dependant, so it would rule out simple pxe booting...
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: true, true.
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guess it just supports http
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either way, though, you're dependent on etherboot
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<alkisg>
I've used http with gpxe, it works fine
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<beia_>
on boot on the my ltsp server, show this message...
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ERROR! Coul not automatically detect networkcard
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ltsp 4.2
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<petre>
what kind of network card(s) do you have?
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<beia_>
i find solution
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http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/tips_and_tricks.html
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