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Channel log from 11 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<MrMoo>
I'm going to try this out in a bit: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/
02:06
basically drop to no cipher post authentication for really slow clients
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<MrMoo>
the easier alternative is just dropping down from blowfish to arcfour cipher ...
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<ogra>
MrMoo, we already have an unencrypted mode in the new ldm ;)
03:59
<MrMoo>
ogra, haha, awesome
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<ogra>
in gutsy just set LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf and dm will set DISPLAY to the client ip and omit -X in the ssh call
04:01
so your X connection is direct but the password handling is still encrypted
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<MrMoo>
ok, easy to back port :)
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<paras>
channel, i am tesing ltsp 5 .. eveything works except sound outputs in the ltsp server insrated of client. what went wroing?
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<ogra>
paras, which distro/version ?
05:06
<paras>
ogra, debian etch
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<ogra>
paras, log in to a session and type: env
05:07
in a terminal
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<paras>
ogra, yes done..
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<ogra>
look if ESPEAKER is set and points to the client ip
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<ogra>
(ldm sets that if you have SOUND=True in your lts.conf)
05:10
<paras>
ogra, i dont see ESPEAKER
05:11
ogra, i don't have lts.conf
05:11
<jonta>
to me it looks like the thin client is using the server /. if you create a file in /etc in the thin client it ends up on the servers /etc
05:11
<ogra>
paras, create it ;)
05:11
<jonta>
am i just looking at it the wrong way?
05:12
<ogra>
paras, it needs to be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
05:12
add these two lines:
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[default]
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SOUND=True
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<paras>
ogra, ok.
05:13
<ogra>
jonta, no, the thin client uses the exported filesystem under /opt/ltsp/i386
05:13
<jonta>
ogra: then how come when i create a file in /etc on the thin client it is created in the servers /etc, not under /opt/ltsp/i386
05:13
<ogra>
jonta, then you broke something
05:14
<jonta>
heh :P
05:14
the same when i tried edubuntu right out of the box
05:14
now i'm runing ubuntu
05:14
<ogra>
if you create files on the client that can only hapen in ram ... there is no write access to anythng on the server
05:14
<jonta>
and when i apt-get openoffice on the server it shows up in the menu on the client
05:15
<ogra>
and i can guarantee you that this doesnt happen in edubuntu unless you changed teh nfs setup :)
05:15
indeed
05:15
<jonta>
and yes, i have write access to the server, how that now happened
05:15
<ogra>
jonta, you are confusing the session with the client OS ;)
05:15
<jonta>
probably, argh, it is a bit confusing :P
05:16
<ogra>
the client only boots a kernel, configures and starts an X server and ldm, the ltsp login manager
05:16
<jonta>
but still weird that i can create files on the server /etc from my client using the terminal in gnome
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<ogra>
as soon as you log in you establish a remote connection to the server .... only the display is forwarded to the client
05:17
so indeed, if you create anything inside the *session* you are logged in on the server
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<jonta>
ah
05:17
then i follow
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<ogra>
if you would hit ctrl-alt-f1 in the login screen you would be on a client console ...
05:17
<paras>
ogra, i created lts.conf just with sound=true. still i don't see ESPEAKER
05:17
<ogra>
if you would log in there and create any files they would be created in ram in the client ...
05:17
<jonta>
too bad though, would be nice to have the client only using the files in /opt/ltsp/i386, feels safer
05:18
okej, then i understand
05:18
<ogra>
paras, didy you write *exactly* what i pasted above ?
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<jonta>
ogra: thanks for the help anyways, i was a bit condfused
05:19
<paras>
ogra, yes
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<ogra>
yeah, thats usually the case for people starting with ltsp ;) (wasnt different for me in the beginning )
05:19
<gvy>
mooorning' sirs...
05:19
<paras>
ogra, my lts.conf now only has those two lines
05:19* gvy yawns heavily
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<ogra>
paras, and you rebooted the client ?
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<paras>
ogra, yep
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<ogra>
strange
05:21* gvy . o O ( restarted, rebooted, time to reinstall the client! )
05:21* ogra has no idea what debian did to the code here ...
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<paras>
ogra, do we need pulseaudio?
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<ogra>
paras, might be that you need to set SOUND_SERVER=esd in debian (even it would be silly if they had changed that)
05:22
paras, no
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<paras>
ogra, ok
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<ogra>
paras, there is no pulse support in the etch version
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<gvy>
ogra, btw thanks for inspiration with pulse -- working since yesterday here :)
05:22
<ogra>
cool :)
05:23
paras, pulse support was added in ubuntu feisty ... etch is based n the edgy version ...
05:23
so slightly old
05:23
<paras>
ogra, ok..
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<jonta>
what is pulse support?
05:27
<ogra>
paras, the weird thing is that it doesnt set the ESPEAKER variable, which should happen in *any* case if you set the SOUND variable, something is clearly wrong there
05:27
jonta, pulseaudio is the sound server we use to forward sound output and volume control from the session to the client
05:28
<jonta>
ok
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<ogra>
in later release we'll also push sound capturing through that
05:28
<jonta>
hmm, is it easy to enable people to put in their usb-disk in the client and see the content?
05:29
cool
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<ogra>
see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ ... and specifically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
05:30
err
05:30
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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<paras>
ogra, i have enable sound_server=esd.. in the server.. rebooted the clinet.. same problem
05:31
<ogra>
paras, i hope thats SOUND_SERVER=esd not sound_server=esd
05:31
(capitalization is important here)
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<gvy>
case matters
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<ogra>
thats why i asked if you used the *exact* lines i gave you ;)
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<paras>
ogra, yes yes, its in caps lock on
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<klausade>
how is loadbalancing done with ltsp? With ltsp4.2 I used some hacks to change the variable XDM_SERVER to point to different servers. How can I get ldm to work against different servers?
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<ogra>
klausade, thats something only the devlopment version supports currently ...
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<ogra>
(you can set LDM_SERVER there ...)
05:47
klausade, but if you are capable to change some lines in a pythin script its trivial to add ;)
05:47
*pathon
05:47
bah !
05:47
*python
05:48* ogra sells some vowels
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<ogra>
klausade, edit /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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under line 36 add something like self.ldmserver = get_config('LDM_SERVER')
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and change line 122 to use it
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additionally you should make sure to add somethig that sets self.ldmserver to self.server if the variable is unset but thats rughtly how it works
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<klausade>
ogra: where do I download the devlopment version?
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<ogra>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp
05:58
klausade, specifically for ldm development https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
05:58
but beware thats in flux atm so totally unstable and not expected to work yet
05:59
the last stable ldm is in the gutsy-ltsp branch
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<klausade>
ogra: welcome to my life :-)
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<ogra>
heh
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<klausade>
totally unstable and not expected to work yet
05:59
:-)
06:03
<gvy>
ogra, thx for "pathon" -- it sound so pythetic :)
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<ogra>
heh
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<jonta>
ogra: the local devices worked fine :)
06:15
<ogra>
:)
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<klausade>
ogra: is there a version of ldm around that is localized?
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<ogra>
klausade, not yet, the new ldm will have gettext support
07:01
<klausade>
ogra: excelent. I now have a ldm that works with ldm_username, ldm_password, ldm_server. Next is to have it localized, and i'm on my way to replace ltsp4.2.
07:02
<ogra>
with the old one its quite trivial to change the handfull of strings
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<ogra>
just have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/
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there is a file called gtk and a .glade file ...
07:09
<klausade>
ogra: so true you are :-)
07:11
<gvy>
while ogra; do echo hello world; done
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<cliebow_>
heh!
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<jammcq>
g'morning folks
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<cliebow_>
jammcq!!
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<jammcq>
what's up chuck ?
07:34
<whiprush>
jammcq!
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<gvy>
aftermoom here
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:ubuntu kernel will pick up option 128/9 wont it?
07:34
<gvy>
g'! :)
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<jammcq>
ummm, it should. That's an Etherboot thing
07:35
Etherboot will go ahead and pass the value of option 129 on the kernel command line.
07:36
the next question is will Ubuntu bother looking at the kernel cmdline and use what it finds
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<cliebow_>
guess ill need to give it a whirl for alternate port dhcp
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<jammcq>
umm, I'd be surprised (and happy) if that works
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<cliebow_>
ogra:warning: /opt/ltsp/./images/etc/ssh noty found. skipping
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when running ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<ogra>
hmm, thats weird
07:52
where does the dot come from
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err
07:52
heh
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<cliebow_>
it was in therror message..
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<ogra>
i should put "Note:" in front of it
07:53
its no error
07:53
<cliebow_>
maybe ill toss this chroot and build another
07:53
<ogra>
images is no chroot
07:53
so that file cant exist
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<cliebow_>
im getting dropped to a login on server for some reason
07:53
i see what you are saying
07:54
<ogra>
you mean you cant log in ?
07:54
<cliebow_>
yeah
07:55
<ogra>
does ldm work correct apart from that ?
07:55
if you update the ssh key you have to rebuild the image ...
07:55
sudo ltsp-update-image
07:55
<cliebow_>
i dont get ldm,..justr drops to a login on kestrel (my server
07:55
ok
07:55
<ogra>
on the client ?
07:55
<cliebow_>
yeah
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<ogra>
that cant be
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(qou know that the hostname gets copied into the client during build i assume)
07:56
<cliebow_>
hostname of server?
07:56
ok
07:56
<ogra>
yeah
07:56
<cliebow_>
m updating image
07:56
<ogra>
i'll hardcode that to ltsp-client for the release
07:57
so its less confusing
07:57
<cliebow_>
ok 8~)
07:58
this is my first shot on gutsy..so pardon dumb questions 8~)
08:00
<ogra>
there are no dumb questions
08:02
:)
08:02
especially if someone just changes the whole world :)
08:04
<cliebow_>
8~)
08:06
i think this monitor is giving me grief../usr/sbin/delay_mounter:not found
08:07
sorry..non sequitor there
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<ogra>
thats fine
08:08
delayed_mounter is in ldm now ... the ltsp-client initscript wont find it
08:08
just a warning
08:08
all stuff that will get cleaned up oon
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<cliebow_>
fine then..
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<isojussi>
anyone know how to get NIC with RTL8139D chip booting usin boot floppy?
08:49
<klausade>
isojussi: it should be well documented on rom-o-matic.com
08:49
<ogra>
isojussi, rom-o-matic.net should have it
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(or .com ... who knows :) )
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<cliebow_>
Scottie!!
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot`>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:17
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!
09:26
<ogra>
!s
09:26
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:27
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra
09:27
How's the sprint?
09:28
<ogra>
well
09:28
lots of lists to assemble etc ...
09:28
i'm not coding much atm
09:28
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/07/10/1736238.shtml
09:28
:))
09:28
<gvy>
mgmt sprint?
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav: senior moment here..anything you can think of for alt dhcp besides --exec /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -- -q $INTERFACES -p 1001 -pf $DHCPDPID -cf $CONFIG_FILE
09:32
and restart
09:33
my prommed card works fine on 1001/2 on old server..not on gutsy..
09:33
netstat syas it runs..i see udp from 0.0.0.0 using wireshark
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Ah, cool. I know Canonical receives a lot of flack on LP. Personally, I don't have a problem using a non free tool to create free software.
09:36
<ogra>
yeah, most dont have that prob ... and many understand the reasons ...
09:36
but there is bashing nontheless
09:37
<sbalneav>
I mean, my video bios isn't free, and neither is my system bios. But I need both of them to run my machine, that I use to produce free software :)
09:38
Anyway, it's a good thing from the point of view that it gives people one less thing to complain about. Are they going to Free up the whole thing over time?
09:38
<cliebow_>
and pxe runs fine with -q $INTERFACES -p 67
09:38
<sbalneav>
cliebow_: No, that should work, I should thinl
09:38
think
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<cliebow_>
merci!
09:58
Thunder!
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: are you getting the kernel downloaded?
09:58
<cliebow_>
no.
09:59
plug into the old netwrok..away she goes..
09:59
the card must be good..
09:59
i see udp request on the serverbut no answer
10:00
netstat says it is listening on 1001
10:05
brb
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<McDutchie>
hi jammcq and all, I just wanted to report on solving a problem I asked for help with here a few days ago with getting 1440x900 resolution to work under LTSP 4.2 (remember?). In one computer the problem was the on-board VIA video chip that couldn't handle the resolution, as someone here suspected; even Windows didn't manage. Inserting an NVIDIA card fixed it. The other computer simply needed to be switched to 16-bit color instead of 24 due to lack of VRA
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<jammcq>
awesome
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<McDutchie>
:)
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<MRH2>
hi anyone see a screensaver effect xfs such that no new clients could connect to it
10:55
<ogra>
xfs ?
10:55
why should a screensaver affect a fontserver
10:55
<sbalneav>
MRH2: No
10:55
Only way would be is if the screensaver's trying to allocate thousands of fonts, maybe.
10:55
<ogra>
hmm
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(why would you use xfs at all ... ?)
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<sbalneav>
really old system, maybe?
10:56
<ogra>
if you dont run a very old xorg/xfree ...
10:56
heh, snap
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<cliebow_>
ogra:where am i in boot process after "starting kernel log daemon" kestrel tty1 * Strating ltsp-client?..i dont see anything nfs happening..
10:56
<MRH2>
xfs as in font server
10:57
and yes i am running an old xfree
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<ogra>
cliebow_, in gutsy ?
10:57
<cliebow_>
yes
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<ogra>
well, gutsy doesnt use any nfs :)
10:57
<sbalneav>
MRH2: Usually, with newer xorg, the RENDER extention is used instead of XFS
10:57
<cliebow_>
maybe that is why..its function reoplaced by squash
10:57
<ogra>
check daemon.log for traces of nbd-server
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<cliebow_>
k
10:58* ogra goes for a smoke break ... bbl
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<cliebow_>
Godfrey..gave em up..
10:58
so far
10:59
kestrel nbdrootd[5846]: connect from 10.10.0.136 (10.10.0.136)
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Jul 11 11:36:13 kestrel nbd_server[5847]: connect from ^P^Z^E^H^C, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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Jul 11 11:36:13 kestrel nbd_server[5847]: Size of exported file/device is 131612672
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<MRH2>
I am refering to an ltsp implementation circa redhat 9
10:59
so its an oldee
10:59
or i'm an oldee
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<sbalneav>
MRH2: No, I can't think of a reason.
11:00
But if it's a screensaver that's doing it, just disable that particular screensaver.
11:00
<cliebow_>
MRH2:is there an /etc/issue file in your "chroot"
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<sbalneav>
Really, all you want is just screen blanking anyway.
11:00
<cliebow_>
be nice to know what version
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<MRH2>
i 'believe' it is a screensaver that is causing it - pending further investigation
11:03
just a gut feel though - wondering if u guys have run into that before
11:04
<sbalneav>
Nope
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<ogra>
i'd rather guess for something like openoffice
11:07
pulling the font list over and over or something
11:07
<cliebow_>
ogra:so looks like nbdroot is functional..
11:07
<ogra>
right
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<cliebow_>
building a new chroot now..see what happens..
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<ogra>
also if you are at "starting kernel log daemon", you are already in the runing system
11:09
smells a bit like ldm isnt starting properly
11:09
(syslog and klog should be the last pieces that start before ltsp-client-core)
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<cliebow_>
very good
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<MRH2>
ok gtg thanks
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<cliebow_>
ogra:so in the end /opt/ltsp/i386 is used to create the .img file that becomes filesystem on client?
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<gvy>
cliebow_, afaik ogra stated exactly that
11:54
<cliebow_>
Thunder! finally getting my head around it
11:56
<john_s>
I am using edubuntu 7.04 on a server with Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5780 gigabit nics, everything was hunky-dorey until I reinstalled an know I can bring up the nics, even though I see them when I do lspci: 04:04.1 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5780 Gigabit Ethernet
11:56
whoops that should read I _can't_ bring up the nics
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<cliebow_>
kind a figgered that out..
11:57
<john_s>
anyone have any idea what could be going on?
11:57
yes indeed
11:58
in fact they aren't in in /etc/network/interfaces and I can't see them in gdm's "network gui" tool either. ifup eth1 fails of course and I can't do ifconfig eth1 up either
11:58
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
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<john_s>
I am not sure what drivers ubuntu would load to bring those evil broadcoms up but I don't see anything that says "broadcom" when I do lsmod | grep broadcom"
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<gvy>
the driver was bcmnx or like that...
12:00
<cliebow>
john_s:does lsmod show the bcm5700 module loaded?
12:01
<gvy>
recently installed altlinux 4.0 server on hp proliant dl$something with those, just worked
12:01
<john_s>
no
12:01
yeah
12:01
it "just worked" before I reinstalled edubuntu and now it doesn't
12:02
<gvy>
cliebow, there were different modules, netxtreme used ...lemme look up... bnx2
12:02
<cliebow>
k
12:02
<john_s>
would lspci still report them if they both physically failed for some unknown reason?
12:02
<gvy>
try modprobe bnx2
12:02
<cliebow>
8~)
12:03
<gvy>
john_s, they could show up in lspci and even get the driver loaded but not really work with broken acpi bios (then pci=noacpi might help)
12:03
but that's seemingly not the case
12:03
<john_s>
ok i loaded the driver but still can't bring up the interface with ifconfig
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<gvy>
then another broken acpi bios (tyan tiger) wouldn't even let lspci work but that's another story, and another weird magic word for kernel :)
12:04
are they at least there in ifconfig or "ip ad" output?
12:04
<john_s>
well lspci says used by "0"
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<john_s>
ip ad doesnt' show them
12:05
man
12:05
<gvy>
e100 39688 0
12:05
i'm here over that e100
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12:05
<john_s>
ok
12:06
so used by doesn't mean anything apparently
12:06
at least not about whether they are in use
12:06
<gvy>
is it the very same kernel? ix86 vs x86_64 can differ too
12:06
<john_s>
I think I'll try a livecd on it running kubuntu and see if they came up
12:06
<gvy>
yup
12:09
<john_s>
i am trying with kubuntu live. the only thing that look different to me was that uname -a reported a i686 build rather than i386 which is what the iso said it was
12:11
<gvy>
it's processor afaik
12:11
that is, not very sure but on pentium that might report i586
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<plundra>
Is there a referencemanual for ldm and how to configure it?
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<plundra>
Or isn't it possible to configure anything other then the pictures/colors for themes?
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<ogra>
plundra, right
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13:12
<K_O-Gnom>
hi folks .. what is the prefered language?
13:12
<ogra>
the friendly one :)
13:13
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: that means? german or english?
13:13
<ogra>
english ;)
13:13
<K_O-Gnom>
i thought its the base setting to be friendly :-)
13:13
ogra: ok
13:13
<ogra>
but if you think your english is to bad i can answer in german :)
13:14
(and you can ask in german as well indeed :) )
13:14
<K_O-Gnom>
ill try english (i think i reach mor persons then :-)
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<K_O-Gnom>
i am a gentoo user and whant to install ltsp on my gentoo machine .. i work with this howto http://www.gentoo.de/doc/de/ltsp.xml (german ;-) ) and ther is a notice written when i do an emerge ltsp and have set the kde ore gnome use flag in my /etc/make.conf it will install a complete kde or gnome environment ... but i don't see that it want to merge it when i do emerge -av ltsp
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<K_O-Gnom>
is this right or is ther a misstake in the howto or in my mind?
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<K_O-Gnom>
here is the english version of the document i post http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml
13:20
(same notice)
13:20
<sbalneav>
I don't know much about gentoo, but you shouldn't NEED either gnome or kde to run an ltsp environment.
13:20
it should work with either, or any window manager environment.
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<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: is it normal that ltsp build in /opt/ltsp-$verison/ an complete linux environment? and do i have to build the gnome/kde environment manually?
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<sbalneav>
it should be a fairly complete linux, with a kernel, glibc, xorg, etc.
13:22
<K_O-Gnom>
yesterday i tryed (and fail) witout building an gnome env. and it only loads the X (witout mouse and keyboard access)
13:23
<sbalneav>
The kde and/or gnome runs up on the server, so you probably already have it.
13:23
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: ok than thats right ..
13:23
sbalneav: so i have to build it manually (atm i only have a console based server working)
13:23
<sbalneav>
In that case, yes.
13:24
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: ok thanks i will start the build process and wait :-) (it takes a long time to compile gnome and X :-)
13:25
<ogra>
well, you choose gentoo :)
13:25
<sbalneav>
:)
13:26
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: yes and if you belive it or not i love it :-)
13:27
<ogra>
if you bear the compile times you must love it :)
13:27
what other choice would you have ;)
13:28* ogra is happy to use a binary distro ... but if people love compiling i totally understand if they like gentoo :)
13:31
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: binaries have ther goods ... (like graphical config tools or so .) but i see at my sisters pc (its a suse 10) nothing will work (she have a little stupid ac97 sound card and suse dont like to use that cards driver ... it says no sound card found ... when i use a gentoo system on that pc it works very fine ..)
13:31
+i
13:31
<ogra>
give her ubuntu :)
13:32
so she has the tools and working hardware ;)
13:32
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: some more click click colored colored system :-/
13:32
<ogra>
well, at least it works
13:32
and doesnt have yast or anything like that
13:32
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: maybe ... some co workers of mine say it wont work on their (usual) hardware ..
13:33* ogra hopes they filed bugs so that can be solved for the next release
13:33
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: thats why i try ltsp ... maybe i can get it working for my sister ..
13:33
<ogra>
well ...
13:33
<K_O-Gnom>
-working + workes
13:33* ogra looks at the channel topic
13:34
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: i see that too .. but i dont like ubuntu :-) so i use gentoo there i know what to do (specially dont like apt ..)
13:34
<ogra>
wow, i just looked at the gentoo howto you pasted ... thats a lot of work
13:34
at least compared to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
13:35
<K_O-Gnom>
ok thats only 2 commands ... :-)
13:35
<ogra>
hmm, an your howto is indeed for 4.1 ...
13:35
someone should at least update that to 4.2
13:36
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: the ebuild from joomla portage only is version 4.2 ..
13:36
<ogra>
until ltsp5 is finally implemeted in gentoo
13:36
well, the doc has a lot 4.1 references
13:37
<K_O-Gnom>
yes ... i think nobody use ltsp on gentoo ;) so nobody change the howto :-(
13:38
<ogra>
well, dberkholz is implementing ltsp5 ... but he's totally alone with that
13:38
so it takes its time
13:38* ogra knows how that feels, took me 2years to get it feature complete in ubuntu
13:39
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: have the 4.2 version some major errors what the 5.0 dont have?
13:39
<ogra>
even though he has our code to just port which should make it a lot easier
13:39
ltsp5 is completely different to what 4.2 was
13:39
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
13:40
and http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
13:42
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: whats the main difference between that versions in a little sentence?
13:42
<sbalneav>
ltsp5 is now built using the distros packages
13:42
<ogra>
ltsp4 was usin its own tarball like a mini linux distro
13:42
so ltsp upstream had to maintain kernel, x etc
13:43
thats a sily overhead if you already have all tehse packages available
13:43
<K_O-Gnom>
so i have 2 distros on one system on the 4.x versions right?
13:43
<ogra>
ltsp5 defines a way to leave the maintenance of the core packages to the distro so ltsp developers can fully concentrate on developng ltsp stuff
13:44
right
13:44
<K_O-Gnom>
do i have 2 distros on the 5.x versions too?
13:44
<ogra>
its liek a separate distro
13:44
<cliebow>
like the little dude inside the big dudes head
13:44
<K_O-Gnom>
cliebow: good picture :-)
13:44
<ogra>
you have two systems but based on the same software ...
13:44
<cliebow>
heh
13:45
<ogra>
and indeed you get the full security support of the distro
13:45
since you can just update the client environment with your distro tools if security fixes come ...
13:45
less work for us, more time for development ;)
13:46
<cliebow>
ogra:am i right saying /opt/ltsp/i386 is what the squashfs is built from?
13:46
<ogra>
yep
13:46
<K_O-Gnom>
so atm i dont understand all ... but let me think ... 1 have a little system in the /opt/ltsp-(version) path but in 4.x it is a special ltsp version and in 5 i can build it my own is that right?
13:46
<ogra>
well, in 4.2 you usually just unpack a tarball
13:46
<K_O-Gnom>
-1 +I
13:46
<ogra>
in ltsp5 you bootstrap a basic system using your distros tools
13:47
then you chroot into that system, install the necessary additional stuff or do maintenance or whatever
13:47
(up to the distro)
13:48
<cliebow>
it was kind of a bastard to add new packages in 4.2..
13:48
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: so i do an normal installation into the path /opt/my-ltspsystem/
13:48
<ogra>
right, in ltsp5 in debian or ubuntu you just do: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install blah
13:49
well, you need the ltsp scripts indeed, else you would end up with a readonly system on the clients
13:49
the ltsp initscripts care for mounting tmpfs'es in ram etc to have the necessary bits writeable to even boot the system
13:50
<cliebow>
ahh that explains much better
13:50
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: thats what i do with my 4.x ltsp .. (a normal installation unpack my stage3 tarball and test... it works not very great .. missing some libs ) hmm ok thats the reason i dont have the ltsp scripts ... how can i find that=
13:50
<ogra>
and configure X on the fly, or sound or local device access for CDroms or USB sticks
13:50
<K_O-Gnom>
? or where can i find a ltsp gentoo client system?
13:50
<ogra>
there is none yet
13:51* ogra has to go, sbalneav and cliebow will help you further ....
13:51
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: so i have to build my own gentoo system ..
13:51
<cliebow>
8~)
13:51* ogra goes to a whisky probe with his boss now :)
13:51
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: dont drink to much ;-)
13:51
<ogra>
why ?
13:51
its feierabend ;)
13:51
<cliebow>
Blow a little cig smoke my way please..
13:51
<K_O-Gnom>
i tought your boss still should be more drunk then you :-)
13:51
<ogra>
canonical office closes anyway :)
13:51
<cliebow>
i'm hurtin
13:52
<ogra>
cliebow, will do ... its hard to be a smoker in london atm
13:52
<cliebow>
i know..
13:52
<ogra>
especially while sitting in 27th floor of a non smoker building :)
13:52
<cliebow>
Tjhat can be double-tough..
13:53
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: it dont get easier in germany ... (more and more buildinge walk to non smoker ..
13:53* ogra waves
13:53
<cliebow>
when i had my neck fixed i could smell it five floors up on a campys that was no smoking
13:53
<K_O-Gnom>
my company only has non smoker buildings
13:53
<cliebow>
K_O-Gnom, ogra IS from Germany
13:53
<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, i know i'll be back in kassel on saturday (ubuntu distro development sprint here atm)
13:54
ok, they get angry ... bye
13:54
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: bye and thanks for help
13:54
<dberkholz>
ogra: heh, if another gentoo developer stops in, point 'em my way. i've got plenty of people who want to help but lack the ability...
13:55* ogra waves from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millbank_Tower
13:55
<ogra>
ciao
13:55
<dberkholz>
(or time, as i do)
13:56
<K_O-Gnom>
dberkholz: now you have plenty+1 :-) i whant help but i'm not able to ...
13:57
<dberkholz>
in the meanwhile, 4.2 is in our tree and you can use that
13:57
<K_O-Gnom>
dberkholz: yes thats what my server iss building atm ..
13:57
<cliebow>
dberkholz, just looked for you but you were grayed out..
13:57
<dberkholz>
i'm always grayed out at work, i try to actually get work done =)
13:57
<cliebow>
heh
13:59
<dberkholz>
just ping me and if i'm around, i'll reply
13:59
<K_O-Gnom>
so my system is working on ltsp and gnome (including X) it takes a wile so im at the tv ... thanks for help
13:59
<dberkholz>
i'm usually around within a couple hours of any given time
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<skipper>
I seem to be having problems with the Thin Client Manager program. It hangs up and/or operates very slowly.
14:15
<joebaker>
I have a machine with 2 nics I am using for a thin client. The Davicom Ethernet support integraded on the motherboard isn't easy to find
14:15
Etherboot support for. So I installed another
14:15
ethernet card (National Semiconductors - natsemi ) The other card I put in there is a Netgear FA311.
14:15
When Ubuntu has loaded it's kernel and tries to re-activate Ethernet, sometimes it picks the onboard
14:15
nic and never receives the DHCP acknoledgment (cable is hooked up to the Netgear card)
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Other times it works well. I thought I'd mention it here.
14:21
<Gadi>
joebaker: if you want to fix this, you could blacklist the undesired driver module in the chroot, update-initramfs -u, exit and ltsp-update-kernel
14:21
not exactly 'friendly'
14:21
but a fix
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<joebaker>
gadi: Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe it would be better for all ethernet devices to receive dhcp initialization directives instead of just eth0 in the code.
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<john_s>
hi all, somewhere in the last month or so I saw a hack to make edubuntu clients boot faster can someone point me at it?
14:41
this involved no encrypting x I believe
14:42
<steelrat405>
hello any have a sec to help someone avoid commiting hari-kari? I have everything in ltsp 4.2 working except I need to share a USB printer from a client to a windows server
14:47
<john_s>
have you already read http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers ?
14:48
<steelrat405>
I think so let me look again been at this problem for about 2 hours now so I am not sure about that exact document
14:52
<john_s>
man I totally know there was a little code snippet you could toss into the lts.conf or something that apparently significgantly speeded up client boot time.
14:52
<joebaker>
gadi: maybe lts.conf should have a method for blacklisting modules or a way to later remove them with rmmod.
14:52
<john_s>
I can't find it in my mail now, though :-(
14:54
Or maybe I dreamt it
14:55
<sbalneav>
joebaker: why not just disable the card in bios?
14:57
john_s: It doesn't speed up boot time, but it DOES speed things up after login.
14:57
<john_s>
ah
14:57
thanks, where is that hack located?
14:57
and is there a bit of documentation about it?
14:58
<sbalneav>
It's on launchpad.net, I beleive
14:59
hold on, trying to find it.
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<john_s>
thx
15:02
<steelrat405>
ok I looked at that doc and it is not working
15:03
<mopey>
john_s, see http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=118343389721369&w=2
15:04
<sbalneav>
http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
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<john_s>
thanks guys
15:06
or people I should say
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<Gadi>
joebaker: yeah, what is needed is a NIC= kernel arg as in LTSP 4.2 (since the IP address setting and such happens in the initramfs before the OS)
15:21
it may even exist in some form
15:21
I havent looked
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<gy2007>
anybody tried ltsp on centos 5?
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<steelrat405>
I will beg for help if it helps : )
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<sbalneav>
steelrat405: No idea how to do it for windows.
15:36
I avoid that OS like the plague :)
15:36
<steelrat405>
any idea how to test usb attached printer to see if xwin even sees it
15:37
sbalneav ..I know that is part of my problem too
15:38
<sbalneav>
You should be able to telnet to the workstations port 9100
15:38
If you type something, it should come out on the printer.
15:38
<steelrat405>
that makes too much sense ok let me try that thanks
15:39
ok it is telling me connection failed
15:39
so maybe i hAVE SOMETHING ELSE WRONG
15:39
if you have a sec I could use the help
15:40
<Gadi>
steelrat405: are you using the thin client's IP?
15:40
(not hostname)
15:40
<steelrat405>
yes the IP address and I can ping the address
15:40
<Gadi>
have you set the printer up in lts.conf?
15:41
<steelrat405>
I have put the entries that I think are required
15:41
<sbalneav>
Paste your lts.conf to the pastebot
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!pastebot
15:41
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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15:42* Gadi grumbles about buggy BIOSes...
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<ltsppbot>
"steelrat405" pasted "lts.conf" (98 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/212
15:44
<steelrat405>
the client in question is ws104
15:45
<Gadi>
ltsp 4.2?
15:45
<steelrat405>
yes sorry should have mentioned that
15:45
<Gadi>
looks fine to me
15:45
do you have a windows firewall up?
15:46
<steelrat405>
I do not think so let me check just to be sure
15:46
<sbalneav>
I can't remember now, it's been so long, and I don't have a 4.2 box around anymore, but didn't printers 1 offset, and not 0?
15:46
i.e. PRINTER_1_DEVICE etc
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<steelrat405>
no firewall ....I will try the different offset
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<steelrat405>
still no joy on telneting to port 9100
15:50
<Gadi>
no, 0 should be right
15:50
0 -> 9100
15:50
1 -> 9101
15:50
2 -> 9102
15:50
<steelrat405>
ok I will put it back...any other ideas got me stumped and I have been working on this one issue for 2 hours now
15:51
<Gadi>
you should set SCREEN_01 = shell
15:51
reboot the thin client
15:51
drop into a shell
15:51
and see if the printer is starting
15:51
<steelrat405>
ok
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15:56
<steelrat405>
looks like the printer is loading how can I send a test print?
15:59
<Gadi>
can you telnet to the IP port 9100?
16:00
<steelrat405>
still telling me connection is denied
16:00
<Gadi>
can you copy the telnet command you are using?
16:00
<steelrat405>
telnet 172.17.2.104:91000
16:01
<Gadi>
you have too many zeros
16:01
<steelrat405>
telnet 172.17.2.104:9100 oops
16:01
<Gadi>
dont put the colon
16:01
telnet 172.17.2.104 9100
16:01
<steelrat405>
ok duh now I get connected how do I send a test
16:02
<Gadi>
try typing anything and hitting enter
16:02
then, i think ctrl-L
16:02
but its been years since I've spoken "printer"
16:02
;)
16:03
anyhow, in Windows you setup the queue as a jetdirect
16:03
which is a 'local printer' in Add printer
16:03
with a custom port
16:03
<steelrat405>
then print via raw printer driver?
16:03
<Gadi>
dont know if you did all that
16:03
no, you need your correct printer driver
16:03
just choose to create a port
16:03
make it a jetdirect
16:04
with IP of workstation and port 9100
16:04
<steelrat405>
ok ... the situation I am in was this was working then the linux server died
16:04
<Gadi>
no worries
16:04
<steelrat405>
the printer has been setup on the windows server and I did make sure that the station has the same address
16:04
<Gadi>
go to the printer's properties
16:05
and doublecheck the port
16:05
<steelrat405>
Bah still no dice on printing from windows
16:05
<Gadi>
it should contain the ip
16:05
<steelrat405>
will do
16:06
bah the ip address is 172.17.2.104
16:08
any more ideas I apreciate the help
16:10
also the printing with the CTRL-L DID NOT print could I have something wrong somewhere else
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<jammcq>
hola
16:25
<steelrat405>
ello
16:26
you by any chance are not a usb printer expert on ltsp 4.2 clients?
16:27
<jammcq>
well, I wrote the part of it that makes it work.
16:27
<steelrat405>
so yes
16:27
I am sure it is something simple just I have been missing it for a few hours now
16:28
I have a new install of 4.2 replacing a 4.1 server that died. Everything is working except this one usb printer on a client
16:28
<jammcq>
can you telnet to that workstation at port 9100 ?
16:29
<steelrat405>
I have posted the lts.conf once I think it was 212
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<steelrat405>
yes, I get connected type some stuff and press ctrl-l and nothing happens
16:30
<jammcq>
which terminal ?
16:30
<steelrat405>
that the printer is connected to or that I am using for telnet?
16:30
<jammcq>
'ws104.ltsp' ?
16:30
<steelrat405>
yes
16:30
<jammcq>
you shouldn't need MODULE_01
16:31
<steelrat405>
ok I will remove that now and test
16:32
one area that I am not comfortable with the setting up of the printer on the server in cups
16:33
<jammcq>
get it working with telnet, and the cups stuff is easy
16:33
<steelrat405>
ok still is not working with telnet
16:33
do I even need cups to print if I am using rdesktop?
16:34
<jammcq>
umm, I don't know anything about rdesktop
16:34
<steelrat405>
no problem they jut use the ltsp to boot into windows I am sure once we get the printer working everything else will be fine
16:35
<Gadi>
you dont need cups to print from windows
16:35
just a queue set up with the right driver and a jetdirect printer port pointing to the thin client
16:35
<steelrat405>
ok thanks
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<steelrat405>
now All I need to figure out is why I can not get the printer to work via telnet
16:36
<jammcq>
what kind of printer?
16:36
<steelrat405>
when I connect it tells me I am connected to ws104.ltsp
16:37
fed ex label printer eltron orion
16:39
<jammcq>
oh, so that printer doesn't understand normal text, right?
16:39
I think it's expecting special codes
16:39
<steelrat405>
possible I guess
16:40
At this point I am doing good to know my name
16:40
: )
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<Gadi>
steelrat405: did you try to print a test page from the windows box?
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<steelrat405>
yup and says printing then goes to error
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stays in que
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<Gadi>
and this worked in ltsp 4.1?
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<steelrat405>
yes
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that is what is so frustrating
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Hi... can you help me with sound on ltsp?
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<jammcq>
one difference between 4.1 and 4.2 is we changed 'WRITEONLY' to default to 'Y'
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<Gadi>
and the print queue on windows is setup as jetdirect or is set up to go thru cups?
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<jammcq>
but that shouldn't break it
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Default sound on LTSP is OSS, right?
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: which version?
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<Guaraldo>
4.2
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<steelrat405>
setup as a jetdirect straight to ip
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<Gadi>
yes
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: How can I change it to Alsa?
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<Gadi>
you need my package from the wiki
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<Guaraldo>
witch url:
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<Gadi>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2
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<jammcq>
ok kidz, i'm heading home
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<steelrat405>
lucky u
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<steelrat405>
I am sharpening swords
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<Gadi>
steelrat405: try deleting the windows queue
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and adding it again
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<steelrat405>
ok
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<Gadi>
could be on that side
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<Guaraldo>
Thanks
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Gadi: Thanks...
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<Gadi>
np
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<steelrat405>
thanks Gadi that looks like it might have been the issue
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<Gadi>
hey hey ! 2 for 2
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:D
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<steelrat405>
yu da man for today anyway
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<Gadi>
only if I can cure my buggy bios woes
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...of course, this could be memory....
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grr
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<steelrat405>
thanks all
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: you out in portland now?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: yeah
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<cliebow>
vagrantc: so you arentindependently wealthy..now do you get summun to sponsor you..
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?
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<vagrantc>
cliebow: heh
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cliebow: all of my more expensive travels have been sponsored
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<jamiejcumbria>
I need lts.conf to take its setting from the host name so I put [test1]
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LDM_DIRECTX=True
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LDM_USERNAME=test1
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LDM_PASSWORD="test"
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<vagrantc>
have you patched ldm to accept LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD ?
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<jamiejcumbria>
yes
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it works with mac but not host name
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<vagrantc>
yeah
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is this debian or ubuntu ?
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<jamiejcumbria>
ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
jamiejcumbria: is there a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/hostname file ?
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jamiejcumbria: and does it contain anything ?
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ogra: if you show up early on the 21st, you could catch freegeek's geekfair
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<jamiejcumbria>
just it contains my servers host name
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<vagrantc>
remove the file
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or blank it out, reboot your thin-client and see what happens
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<jamiejcumbria>
ok thanks. I will try.
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<jamiejcumbria>
still got the login screen instead of auto login
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<vagrantc>
ctrl-alt-f1 ... is the host name reported as "test1" ?
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<jamiejcumbria>
sorry it deleted wrong file. Soz Im trying now.
20:22
Thanks That did it. I should have used my loaf. Thank god for irc. Cheers
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<vagrantc>
yeah, that's what it was invented for.
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<MrMoo>
good morning
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<joebaker>
vagrantc Are you there?
23:36
There's allot of buzz in the freenx mailing list about restructuring and
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making freenx more acceptable to the debian repositories.
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Some things they want to remove are it's own samba, ssh and
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xorg files so that rather it depends on the already existing
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packages.
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I can see a day when the preferred connection method includes
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many of the features that NoMachine offers.
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<sbalneav>
Never happen.
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It may be A connection method, but nomachine puts too much load on the server for it to be able to support a large number or clients.
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However, it'll be nice to have it as an option, for sure.
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<sbalneav>
Well, heading to bed.
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Night, all
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