IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 11 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<BGomes_>
vagrantc: ok, but my questions is, of version if /~ogra/ltsp/ltsp-mainline ltsp-YOUR-DISTRO have all update making in ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
BGomes_: no, ogra's ltsp-mainline branch does not contain all updates made in ubuntu
00:03
<BGomes_>
vagrantc: that is not good :(
00:03
<vagrantc>
well, it is not upstream
00:03
BGomes_: where did you find that branch?
00:03
it probably needs to be updated
00:05
<BGomes_>
vagrantc: I am start integration this script in slackware, but I will woking with upstream
00:05
vagrantc: I want working with upstream
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<vagrantc>
well, upstream is, for the moment: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltsp/
00:07
BGomes_: that's a bzr branch
00:07
there's a separate branch for ldm
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<vagrantc>
these branches were just put together in the last week or two
00:07
<BGomes_>
vagrantc: humm tanks, I will see it now
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<vagrantc>
BGomes_: where are you from?
00:08
<BGomes>
vagrantc: I'm from brazil
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vagrantc: and u ?
00:09
<vagrantc>
BGomes: usa ...
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BGomes: two of the ltsp developers in debian are also brazillian
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<BGomes>
vagrantc: We meet jim em scoot in FISL6, and like so mutch of ltsp project
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BGomes: Who are they?
00:10
IRCzito: see this http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltsp/
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<vagrantc>
BGomes: otavio and stratus
00:11
<BGomes>
vagrantc: :)
00:11
<vagrantc>
BGomes: although both of them haven't worked on it in a while ... there's a few other brazilians involved with ltsp in debian too
00:12
<BGomes>
vagrantc: it's good
00:12
<vagrantc>
BGomes: free software is very strong is brazil
00:14
<BGomes>
vagrantc: Who make the initrd of ubuntu?
00:15
<vagrantc>
BGomes: what program makes it ... or ?
00:16
<BGomes>
vagrantc: who wrote initrd script ubuntu?
00:17
<vagrantc>
BGomes: i believe the original author of initramfs-tools was jeff bailey
00:18
<BGomes>
vagrantc: suse (kiwi-ltsp) have many diffs of ubuntu init scripts
00:19
<vagrantc>
BGomes: i think ogra wrote the ltsp-nbd script
00:19
BGomes: yes, the suse stuff is very different
00:21
<BGomes>
vagrantc: and slackware, we will write more simple init, kiwi-ltsp is strong
00:27
<IRCzito>
vagrantc: the bzr http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltsp/ is more specific for debian
00:28
<vagrantc>
IRCzito: no
00:28
<IRCzito>
vagrantc: ow ok :D
00:28
<vagrantc>
IRCzito: the debian directory is there because sbalneav wants it there
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IRCzito: all the code is in the dist directory
00:29
<IRCzito>
sbalneav: i see, sory
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<vagrantc>
i've merged that branch, and the current changes from debian (including updated pt_BR translations) at: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/split/vagrant-ltsp-split/
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<Artemka>
Hello, how made XFCE by default in ltsp 5?
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<mcfloppy123>
how can i set up the LCD resolution
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<mcfloppy123>
how can i build my own client kernel
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07:11
<Artemka>
What problem? In Edubuntu 7.1 first client have a local device two clinet - no have :-( help
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<Artemka>
Bug #160420 who help me?
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<upro>
Hi back! When I switch on my client it falls back to a busybox intramfs shell... It was working yesterday (until I fiddled with the server's xorg conf) What could be wrong?
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<upro>
nobody here? Huhuuuuu
10:57
ok, I gut ony goole result, but it is indonesian... http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:4Ql702xUL-YJ:ubuntulinux.or.id/forum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D4031%26sid%3Df3a61e729ff494f623c149a9dbf92dd4+ltsp+client+busybox+initramfs&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=firefox-a
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<tuunix>
What exactly do mean with "client"? A thin client connected to an LTSP-Server?
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<upro>
yes, the client connected to my server. When I switch on the client it shows the ubuntu gauge, but drops back to busybox after some seconds
11:04
<tuunix>
Are there any X-related modifications in the lts.conf?
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<outofrange>
Confused again
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<upro>
tuunix: The lts.conf in /opt/i386?
11:10
<tuunix>
Yes
11:10
<upro>
tuunix: the file dioes not contain any uncommented line...
11:10
tuunix: can I just copy /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts.conf ?
11:12
<tuunix>
If the options set in this file apply to you, the yes. Otherwise it would be a bad idea.
11:13
Does the busybox shell allow you to have a look at the Xorg.log which resides in /var/log?
11:17
Uh oh, forget it, if your client presents you a busybox shell, it is most likely a kernel related problem.
11:18
<jammcq>
if you are getting the busybox shell, it means that the root filesystem couldn't be mounted
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<jammcq>
to see what's going on, find the pxe config file and remove the 'quiet splash' from the end of the boot line
11:18
<outofrange>
lts.conf is fetched via tftp. What copies it to /etc/lts.conf on the client? My lts.conf isn't making it to the client.
11:18
<jammcq>
then reboot the client and watch what happens
11:18
<upro>
the pxe.cponfig file on the client?
11:18
<jammcq>
upro: no, on the server
11:19
look for pxelinux.cfg/default
11:19
it's somewhere in /var/lib/tftpboot
11:19
<upro>
jammcq: ok, got it. Should I reve "quiet"?
11:20
<jammcq>
yes, and splash
11:20
or usplash
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<upro>
jammcq: and now boot the client?
11:20
<jammcq>
yeah
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<upro>
jammcq: hold on
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<upro>
jammcq: fu***, it boots and runs like a charm... and I didn't do anything apart from commenting splash and quiet...
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<tuunix>
Reminds me of an NFS-related problem I once had with a client. Most of the time it failed to fetch its root filesystem and the only error message I got was "short read 0 < 28"...
11:29
<upro>
tuunix jammcq thanks for your help!
11:29
<tuunix>
I guess it's jammcq's karma ;)
11:30
The Edubuntu 7.10 release notes state that LDM now features "mutliple server support"? What does this actually mean?
11:30
Is there some kind of load balancing support for multiple LTSP servers?
11:30
<jammcq>
you can have multiple servers, and the user can choose which one they want to log in to
11:31
also, some crude load balancing
11:32
<tuunix>
How do I configure it?
11:32
<jammcq>
umm, dunno. I didn't work on that
11:34
<tuunix>
Well, since I failed to google some information regarding this, I guess I have to inspect LDM's source code...sigh...
11:35
<outofrange>
Crap. When I net boot my i386 machines it's requesting /lts.conf over tftp, not /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
11:35
What tell the server what lts.conf file to fetch?
11:36
the cleint, I mena
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<tuunix>
I don't know the implementation details, but I think the client first tries to fetch its lts.conf via tftp and forgets about the other locations if it finds one.
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<outofrange>
Hum. Confusing. there's not lts.conf in the root (wireshark shows file not found from the tfpt server). Then it doesn't try any other file.
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<outofrange>
The docs indicate that the lts.conf should be in the root, too. But it's picking up my lts.conf in my powerpc dir.
11:42* outofrange scratches his head
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<tuunix>
Also, if you like to use the lts.conf within the client chroot, you have to rebuild the SquashFS image every time you make modifications to it.
11:43
<outofrange>
Yes, I understand that.
11:43
<tuunix>
Ok sorry, I just tried to help :)
11:43
<outofrange>
;)
11:44
I'm going to book a powerpc client and see what wireshark reports
11:44
Know of a way to do a reverse tunnel from a client so I can get a shell on the client from another machine? That is, w/o installing sshd on the client.
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<jammcq>
why not install sshd?
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<outofrange>
I could -- and just not have it start by default.
11:46
jammcq: do you know the reason for the squashfs instead of just NFS mounting the chroot?
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<tuunix>
It's way faster...
11:47
And normally less error prone...normally...
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<outofrange>
Why faster -- because it's compressed over the wire?
11:48
<jammcq>
yes, much faster
11:48
<tuunix>
Yes, and much less overhead.
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<outofrange>
NFS can't be compressed?
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<jammcq>
nope
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<outofrange>
I see.
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<outofrange>
Interesting. So the powerpc client only requests ltsp/powerpc/lts.conf and my i386 machine only requests /lts.conf
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<tuunix>
NFS preformance sucks if many clients simultanously request many small files, which is the case if the clients access their init scripts
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<outofrange>
Maybe the two initrd have different paths for that file.
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<tuunix>
The scripts used in the initrd reside in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ (in the respective chroot environments), if you want to inspect that further.
11:56
<outofrange>
Thanks.
11:57
There's a script for rebuilding the initrd, I assume? (although I'm just moving my lts.conf now).
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<tuunix>
Yes, it's called update-initramfs.
12:00
It looks for scripts the aforementioned location and integrates them into the final inird image.
12:00
That how things like dm-crypt and LVM2 get integrated into the early boot phase.
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<tuunix>
Well, anyone knows which happened to the edubuntu-auth-server stuff?
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<tuunix>
I'm referring to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuNetworkAuthServer
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<outofrange>
Crazy stuff.
12:44
I move lts.conf to tftp root and then symlinked it into powerpc. tftp reported file not found. rm and then copied it and it works.
12:44
Yet, my yaboot.conf is symlinked.
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Both are fetched with tftp so you would think symlinks either work or they don't. Odd.
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<lns>
good weekend all
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<lns>
how's everyone's experience with thin-client-manager in gutsy? I know I was having some locking-up issues in Feisty...haven't tried the new one yet.
16:50
And is it the same installation method (chroot /opt/ltsp/arch ; apt-get install vncpackage) ?
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<mathesis>
hi peoples
22:55
i am searching software for point of sale
22:55
<johnny_>
well.. this isn't really the right channel for that
22:56
we've been using a custom one where i deploy ltsp tho
22:58
it's focused on books and food atm
22:58
i'd like to know of one that works better and is more reliable tho, if it exists
22:59
hmm...that's badly stated
22:59
cuz it is reliable, since the original developer still works at the place we use it
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but it'd be nice if we had one that already had a strong development team behind it
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