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Channel log from 7 June 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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<alkisg_web>
!buttons_layout
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<ltspbot>
alkisg_web: Error: "buttons_layout" is not a valid command.
03:23
<alkisg_web>
!button_layout
03:23
<ltspbot>
alkisg_web: "button_layout" :: To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout menu:minimize,maximize,close
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<tomee^>
hi, I am using LTSP for nodes of a small cluster. recently, after a power failure I cannot boot with ubuntu -server kernels, only -generic works. Any idea why?
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<peter_tm>
No idea, but can we hypothesize that there might have been some type of corruption.. Can you run a MDM5 check on the kernel, or do you have a backup of the hard drive available?
05:59
<tomee^>
Sure, w8
06:00
so, vmlinuz-2.6.24-24-server in /var/lib/tftpboot is the same as in /boot
06:00
bot initrds are different
06:00
are they supposed to be different ie does LTSP add something to the initrd?
06:01
s/bot/but/g
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<alkisg>
tomee^: compare them to /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz, not with /boot
06:06
You cannot boot the server or the clients with that kernel?
06:06
<tomee^>
the clients
06:06
the server booted fine
06:06
but clients can only boot with 2.6.24-16-generic so far
06:06
awww
06:07
it's the only one in /opt/ltsp/i386/boot ...
06:07
<alkisg>
Why would you want to use the server kernel for the clients?
06:07
<tomee^>
alkisg: because they have 10G ram
06:07
<alkisg>
The clients?! Wow...
06:07
32bit with PAE extensions kernel? Which distro/version is that?
06:08
<tomee^>
ubuntu hardy
06:08
it's a small hpc cluster with diskless nodes
06:08
<alkisg>
OK - when you upgrade to lucid, the -generic-pae kernel will be automatically selected.
06:09
To install the -server kernel now, just chroot and install it
06:11
<tomee^>
ok, and then copy it to /var/lib/tftpboot ?
06:12
<ogra_cmpc>
ltsp-update-kernels
06:12
<tomee^>
ic
06:12
<alkisg>
...and ltsp-update-image
06:12
<tomee^>
ok
06:12
<ogra_cmpc>
right
06:12
<tomee^>
root@c1:/# aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-28-server
06:13
The following NEW packages will be installed:
06:13
lilo linux-image-2.6.24-28-server mbr
06:13
won't it screw up mbr in the master server? ;]
06:13
<alkisg>
No - not if you don't mount /dev
06:14
Just mount /proc, nothing else.
06:14
(and maybe it even works without /proc)
06:14
I think you can also do --no-install-recommends or something...
06:14
<tomee^>
I think these are dependencies not recommendations
06:15
but you're right, not mounting /dev makes sens
06:16
(rebooting nodes)
06:20
same problem
06:20
mount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
06:21
if it didn't work at all I would suspect a broken configuration of the master
06:21
but why the heck does it work with the generic kernel?
06:22
<alkisg>
Remove "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
06:22
Reboot the clients, maybe you'll see a different error message then (e.g. the network module missing or something)
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<tomee^>
I already removed it
06:26
I can see it connecting to the NBD server
06:27
rootserver: 192.168.37.20 rootpath:
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filename: /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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Negotiation: ..size = 255637KB
06:27
bs=1024, sz=255736
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and then: mount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
06:28
<alkisg>
Urm... that doesn't sound right
06:28
Try putting break=mount in pxelinux.cfg/default, to manually test stuff
06:28
(or do you get a busybox?)
06:28
<tomee^>
I get a busybox
06:29
<alkisg>
ls -l /dev/nbd0
06:29
ls rofs, etc... are those there?
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<tomee^>
brw-rw---- 1 0 0 43, 0 /dev/nbd0
06:30
rofs is there and empty
06:30
etc contains usplash.conf, console-setup, udev, modprobe.d and default
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<alkisg>
mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs
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What does that give you?
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<tomee^>
ount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
06:35
<alkisg>
OK, the problem is that `mount` line in ltsp_nbd, but I've no idea why it says "no such device".
06:36
ogra_cmpc, any ideas?
06:36
<ogra>
lsmod ?
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<tomee^>
nbd module is there
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<ogra>
squashfs ?
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cat /proc/filesystems
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though the error should be different then
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<tomee^>
what should I look for in /proc/filesystems?
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<ogra>
squashfs
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<tomee^>
missing
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<ogra>
aha
06:38
might be that the server kernel misses support for squashfs then
06:38
check /boot/config-* in your chroot
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grep for SQUASH
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<tomee^>
nothing, but the 2.6.24-16-generic also doesn't have it
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while it boots, and squashfs is present in /proc/filesystems
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<ogra>
the config should have CONFIG_SQUASHFS=m
06:41
and thats a default in the generic kernels
06:41
since ubuntu exists
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<tomee^>
root@c1:/opt/ltsp/i386/boot# grep SQUASH config-2.6.24-16-generic
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hmmmm
06:42
<alkisg>
So if you do "modprobe squashfs" and retry that mount line, it works?
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<tomee^>
no
06:43
it says that module squashfs is not found
06:44
but I found that 2.6.24-19-server has that module
06:44
I'll try to boot with it
06:52
wow, it worked!
06:52
so I guess I have to stick with this kernel or upgrade to lucid and use -generic-pae
06:53
anyway, thanks much guys, you were really helpful!
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<alkisg>
tomee^: you can declare the module in an initramfs hook...
07:28
urm, or put CONFIG_SQUASHFS=m in boot/config...
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<tomee^>
but since the module is not present in /lib/modules
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I suppose it isn't built at all for this kernel
07:30
it's funny that Ubuntu drops modules out of a production kernel within one distro release, though
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<rwmarch>
I have " SCREEN_02 = shell " in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf.
09:01
But, no login prompt, only flashing cursor at F2.
09:01
There is a login prompt at F1, however, users will not authenticate there.
09:01
Any suggestions, please.
09:02
<alkisg>
The clients determine the location of lts.conf based on the dhcp server's boot filename option
09:03
What's your dhcpd.conf like?
09:03
<rwmarch>
OK. I will check that.
09:03
<alkisg>
Also, do you have [Default] on top of lts.conf?
09:03
<rwmarch>
Yes.
09:05
<alkisg>
if you have the same arch on the chroot as on the server, you can also try: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg -c /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf -a
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<rwmarch>
/usr/drs$ /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg -c /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf -a says: http://pastebin.com/ZugTa6rw
09:10
<alkisg>
It seems ok, check your dhcpd.conf.
09:11
Btw, here's another way to get a shell on the clients: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
09:11
And yet another way:
09:11
!localxterm
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
09:14
<rwmarch>
localxterm - thanks, good to know. BTW, how do I tell which dhcpd.conf is used, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf or /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. (Still getting to know version 5.)
09:14
<alkisg>
distro/version?
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<rwmarch>
lucid
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<alkisg>
/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<rwmarch>
Thanks.
09:15
<alkisg>
You can put it to pastebin if you want a second look
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<rwmarch>
http://pastebin.com/G2mE6E1z for dhcpd.conf
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<alkisg>
rwmarch: that filename should be relative
09:20
That's your problem
09:20
Btw, where's your tftp dir? In /var/lib/tftpboot or in /srv/tftp?
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(lucid final uses /var/lib/tftpboot, but sometimes it breaks on upgrades from 9.10 and uses /srv/tftp...)
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<rwmarch>
OK. This is fresh install from altn CD.
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<rwmarch>
Clarify for me, which filename in dhcpd.conf you are referring to that should be relative path?
09:24
<alkisg>
grep DIRECTORY /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
09:25
<rwmarch>
TFTP_DIRECTORY="/srv/tftp"
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<alkisg>
OK, you may do the following:
09:26
1) file a bug report on laundhpad
09:27
2) change that file to the "usual" one:
09:27
http://pastebin.com/LfgeJgTd
09:27
3) restart tftp: sudo restart tftpd-hpa
09:28
4) change dhcpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/j9w2GqrA
09:28
5) restart dhcpd: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
09:28
You should be ok after that.
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<rwmarch>
Will do.
09:29
<alkisg>
Ah, and delete /srv completely, and use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 instead.
09:29
(run sudo ltsp-update-kernels to make sure)
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<rwmarch>
I erred. This system is not a fresh install, but an alternate CD upgrade from 9.10.
09:55
And I remember several months ago, with the help of maillist archives, modifying dhcpd.conf because the client was not finding the tftp directory.
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<rwmarch>
Now I am getting:
09:58
bs=1024, sz=542280
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/scripts/nfs-bottom/ltsp: eval: line 1: syntax error: redirection unexpected
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<alkisg>
Did you do all of the above steps?
10:02
I.e. you don't have a /srv anymore?
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<rwmarch>
Yes, I re-checked all of the above steps. Removed the reference to /srv. Restarted dhcp. Restarted tftp. Also took out the option for nfs. Don't think I will need it anymore.
10:12
http://pastebin.com/BNJciAHY
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<alkisg>
OK, so what do you have in `ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386` now?
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<rwmarch>
ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
10:19
http://pastebin.com/ZVx05Bee
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<alkisg>
Hmm your kernels are old, before the lucid release
10:25
Try running sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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<rwmarch>
Will do.
10:26
And just found the syntax problem - lts.conf was causing it.
10:26
sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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<rwmarch>
So now the client is booting OK. And I am getting the screens. You fixed it. Thanks very much, alkisg.
10:29
<alkisg>
You're welcome.
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<rwmarch>
I have been using LTSP-4 for many years. Have it figured out well enough to get myself through issues. I find version 5 a tough one to get my head around some of what is going on behind the scenes.
10:32
Would still be floundering without you. A little thin on documentation I find. Could be wrong.
10:33
<BenG>
I found the learning curve much shallower that 4.2 rwmarch , FWIW
10:33
a few weeks of fiddling and I know where all the scripts are now
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<rwmarch>
In time I may come to the same conclusion, BenG.
10:35
<BenG>
I reckon
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<LedHed>
Do the 'SOUND' and 'X_BLANKING' work with Fat Clients? for some reason I cant get either to work.
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<johnny>
trying to turn sound off?
11:04
sound is on by default
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<alkisg>
SOUND=off stops pulse from being redirected from the server to the clients - fat clients don't get redirected sound, so I'm not sure what would SOUND=off mean for fat clients.
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<johnny>
alkisg, pretend the sound card is disabled?
11:17
that's probably what it should do
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<alkisg>
How? That would mean no local sound, it's not the same as SOUND=false for thin clients where local sound still works...
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<johnny>
or set pulse to a null sink
11:18
i think SOUND=No .. means NO SOUND:)
11:18
who uses SOUND=No expecting local sound to work?
11:18
i bet almost nobody
11:19
pulse to a null sink is probably the easiest
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<alkisg>
Got any idea about the specifics on how to do it?
11:19
<johnny>
pulse to a null sink is just a modification of the default.pa
11:19
or client.pa.. one of those files
11:20
but.. one of the reasons people use SOUND=No is to save memory on a low ram thin client
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<alkisg>
And won't sound work with alsa?
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<johnny>
so that won't help that ccase
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<alkisg>
(i.e. if someone sinks pulse, can't the user just select alsa?)
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<johnny>
alkisg, that's why i think it might be best to go a little lower level, perhaps alsa has a way to disabe sound cards.. and if not.. it could just forceall the mixer volumes to 0
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<alkisg>
I tried amixer to set the volume to 0, and it worked, but the users are still able to increase the volume
11:21
I didn't find any way yet to turn the sound off properly
11:21
<johnny>
alkisg, did you talk to alsa developers?
11:22
<alkisg>
Nope, I didn't go that far
11:22
<johnny>
i think alot of problems with ltsp are folks not talking to upstream!
11:22
of course.. in the openssh case.. we know they won't do certain things.. like allow the null cipher :(
11:22
<alkisg>
It's also lack of time - only 24h per day :D
11:22
<johnny>
which is sad
11:22
because the null cipher would stop us from using LDM_DIRECTX as it is
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<alkisg>
E.g. getting teacher screen broadcasting was much more important than muting sound :)
11:23
Yeah, it also helps a lot on file transfers
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<johnny>
also it's great for transfering lots of data
11:23
hehe alkisg :)
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<alkisg>
I think there was a new libssh implementation that allowed the null cipher
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<LedHed>
alkisg, do I need to have CONFIGURE_X = True for X_BLANKING to work?
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<vagrantc>
any of the values that require CONFIGURE_X should set it.
12:50
essentially, CONFIGURE_X shouldn't be needed from lts.conf anymore
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<LedHed>
I have X_BLANKING = 1800 (30 min), but the screen blanks in just 5 minutes.
12:51
maybe that setting doesnt work with fat clients either
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<johnny>
i just handle it by setting teh gconf keys
12:53
to enable the screen saver
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and have those settings enable blanking
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<LedHed>
I'll try that
12:53
thanks
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<alkisg>
LedHed: fat clients can be better configured using the usual DE ways, e.g. the following file disables screen locking by default:
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cat /mnt/usr/share/gconf/defaults/10_ltsp_fat_client
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/desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_lock_screen true
13:02* alkisg wants to make a big collection of useful (in LTSP) gconf keys...
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<LedHed>
alkisg, thanks
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<alkisg>
!button_layout
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "button_layout" :: To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout menu:minimize,maximize,close
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<alkisg>
!compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
13:29* vagrantc thanks ltspbot for being a great repository of knowledge
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<alkisg>
!learn disable_lock_screen as To disable screen locking for new users in gnome: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type boolean --set /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_lock_screen 1. To enable it for a specific user, from that user account run: gconftool-2 --type boolean --set /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_lock_screen 0.
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!learn volumes_visible as To prevent volumes (cd, floppy etc) from showing on the user's desktops, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type boolean --set /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible 0
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<johnny>
alkisg, would be nice to have that only for the thin client users.. and not global
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<alkisg>
I'm using "defaults" so that the teacher can enable it for himself, but yeah, stacking gconf keys per group would be really cool
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sabayon already does it, but it'd be better if it was embedded
15:03
I think gsettings will support that.
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<johnny>
yes.. i'm eagerly awaiting gsettings
15:04
tired of gconf
15:04
dconf + gsettings will be better
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15:05* vagrantc scribbles on the future notepad
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<sharles>
New to LTSP; need recommendations for inexpensive thin clients for offices running web browser, openoffice, gnucash and scribus
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<johnny>
inexpensive?
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that's relative
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i spend $200 a piece for dual core atoms with 2GB ram
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<sharles>
under $150
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where?
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<johnny>
they didn't have any cdroms tho
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newegg
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<sharles>
brand?
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<johnny>
msi wind
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check out disklessworkstations
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<sharles>
slcik
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oops -- slick
15:36
<johnny>
they sponsor ltsp
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<johnny>
sharles, usually the channel starts to die down in activity at this point
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might be best to post to ltsp-discuss list
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!discuss
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<ltspbot>
johnny: Error: "discuss" is not a valid command.
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<johnny>
!ltsp-discuss
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<ltspbot>
johnny: "ltsp-discuss" :: at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss
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<johnny>
that way you'll get a wider audience
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<sharles>
thanks!
15:39
<johnny>
perhaps you should read the archives first tho
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see if somebody answered your question already
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<sharles>
yup--will do
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<vbundi>
anyone here use sabayon much?
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<boojum>
i'm interested, too.
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<vbundi>
I've used it, I can help you with basic stuff maybe, but I'm having a problem atm
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<boojum>
read someplace it's a resource hog
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<alkisg>
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <sbalneav> win 1
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<vbundi>
oh man
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looks like he expert's on vacation :)
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<johnny>
resource hog?
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how can it be a resource hog?
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it doesn't do that much after login
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<vbundi>
it only uses resources when it's running it's little bubble when you are configuring stuff
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<alkisg>
boojum: sabayon the desktop locking program, not the distro...
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<vbundi>
and it's not bad afaik
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<johnny>
it should probably be renamed to gnome lockdown or somethin
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<boojum>
alkisg: yup -- think the post conflated the two
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