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Channel log from 16 January 2013   (all times are UTC)

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11:14
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, what do you think:
11:14
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2013-01-15
11:15
<alkisg>
Wowwwww!!!
11:15
Scrollable header at last!!! :D
11:15
Hyperbyte: could you gray-out the "connected/disconnected" messages?
11:16
I like the per-line coloring, but the spacing is a bit too much
11:17
<effenberg>
i hate it when google brings me the question before the solution
11:18
<Hyperbyte>
effenberg, you cannot have solutions without questions. Even Google knows that.
11:19
alkisg, eventually those become green/red again... not sure yet how. Will figure it out sooner or later. ;-)
11:19
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: when do you plan to put the greek schools in the map?
11:20
<Hyperbyte>
It's now directly including the main www.ltsp.org header/footer, so it also takes the Foundation framework from there. If I start hacking there, it takes too much time.
11:20
alkisg, soon!
11:20
This was an added bonus of the research knipwim and I have been doing into using the MeetBot plugin for our meetings
11:20
;-)
11:20
One task at a time. ;-)
11:21
Before when did you absolutely need it?
11:21
Because you did give me a deadline I think... or tried to, anyway. ;-)
11:21
What was it?
11:21
<alkisg>
Next week :)
11:21
Jan 23th
11:21
<Hyperbyte>
Oh that I can make.
11:29
<meamy>
hi team. I was apple to get my Fatclient boot the chroot over NFS and not over NBD, but now I have the problem that he dont finds the Control Server anymore so i can not login as user the config file in etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf points to the correct server. Are there any other config file I need to edit? I am a bit confused because if switch back to boot over NBD erverythink work just fine
11:30
<Hyperbyte>
meamy, are you still convinced that this trouble is all worth it, just so you don't have to rebuild your client image? ;-)
11:32
<meamy>
hyperbyte, yes because i need to do a lot of testings and to rebuild the image ervery time i need to reboot will slow down the hole process dramatical
11:33
<Hyperbyte>
meamy, do you -have- to reboot the clients for what you're doing?
11:33
Because you can also make run-time changes to the clients, which are discarded after reboot. That's how I usually test updates on my thin clients.
11:36
<meamy>
Hyperbye, yes (driver checking, hardware changes, different desktop environments) it is not about updates more about testing different setups and compare them
11:36
<alkisg>
!nbd-client
11:36
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
11:40
<meamy>
for these tasks i need a testing environment where changes in the system an persistent, and since the image the nbd clients mount is RO i guess the only way is to do this over NFS
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11:44
<otwieracz>
Hm.
11:44
Anyone is using NBD?
11:59
<Hyperbyte>
otwieracz, yes, I'm sure anyone is.
11:59
:)
12:06
<otwieracz>
You have any ideas how can I add something into genkernel?
12:07
Beucase by default my network card is not supported.
12:07
<Hyperbyte>
I have no idea what genkernel is. What distribution are you running?
12:07
<otwieracz>
Gentoo.
12:08
<Hyperbyte>
No experience with Gentoo.
12:08
Also, how is this question related to NBD?
12:08
<otwieracz>
It isn't.
12:08
<Hyperbyte>
Oooookay.......
12:08
:)
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12:46
<knipwim>
otwieracz: the NBD for Gentoo is taken care of by dracut, at least generating the initramfs part
12:46
<otwieracz>
I think that I want to stay with NFS.
12:46
<knipwim>
when you follow the NBD part in the gentoo manual, it should work
12:46
<otwieracz>
But, my problems still exists.
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12:52
<knipwim>
otwieracz: if you pastebin your kicktoo profile, and ltsp-build-client.conf and the stage3 date you used
12:52
i can try to recreate your environment
12:53
<otwieracz>
ltsp-build-client: http://wklej.org/id/927002/
12:53
Do not care about KERNEL_CONFIG.
12:54
Now I've created my own config for genkernel with drivers for my NIC included.
12:54
Yesterday this line was #.
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12:59
<otwieracz>
euclid ~ # ls /opt/ltsp/i686/stage3*
12:59
/opt/ltsp/i686/stage3-i686-20121213.tar.bz
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13:00
<dievel>
Hi. Does anybody knows why "ltsp-update-image --arch i386" give me back "Failed to read file /opt/ltsp/i386/..." and fail?
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<otwieracz>
Probably my kernel failed to build.
13:18
But I saw no errors – only lack of kernel in /opt/ltsp/i686.
13:18
(initramfs only)
13:18
Whats wrong?
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13:48
<knipwim>
otwieracz: sorry mate, can't help you now, the project manager is looking over my shoulder
13:49
<otwieracz>
Np :)
13:49
<knipwim>
probably in an hour or two
13:49
<otwieracz>
great!
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<dievel>
Solved. I had to reboot the ltsp server in order to make the ltsp-update-image work. Strange. Some kind of lock? I too new to this LTSP.
14:13
*I'm too new.
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14:55
<isthakur_>
I want to setup an ltsp enviroment for windows os based clients or client that can run some windoes bases softwares such as dreamweaver, photoshop etc I wouldn't mind to use wine or any other windows emulator
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15:02
<alkisg>
isthakur_: and your question is?
15:03
<isthakur_>
is it possible and how
15:04
I know a bit about ubuntu and tried on 12.04 but could not complete the configuration
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15:07
<alkisg>
Yup it's possible, either as a VM or with remote desktop (SCREEN_07="xfreerdp params")
15:07
You need to study about it a bit and end up with specific questions though...
15:08
I think there were some blogs about those issues, google a bit
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16:07
<meamy>
how can i stop this message "thin client not configured yet" ?
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16:39
<otwieracz>
knipwim: Write when you'll be ready. I'll be back in ~30 minutes – have to buy some eatables.
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16:59
<_JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: Woke up to 6" of snow. School closed and no power til a few minutes ago. I will have to continue the server project Tomorrow.
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17:15
<knipwim>
otwieracz: just started a chroot build here
17:16
starting afresh, with not binary packages and a default kicktoo configuration
17:22
this could take a while, going the eat something first, get back to you in an hour or so
17:22
<otwieracz>
OK
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17:44
<Hyperbyte>
_JuJuBee, no worries. :)
17:44
There's quite a bit of snow here too!
17:45
Not six inches, but close enough. :)[C
17:45
Roads are a complete mess... I ride a two-wheeler normally, so had to use public transit to get to work.
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18:34
<knipwim>
Hyperbyte: know what you mean, but going by bike instead to avoid the queues
18:35
good fun with a mountainbike
18:37
<otwieracz>
knipwim: wassup?
18:38
<knipwim>
building mesa
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19:29
<otwieracz>
knipwim: Any ETA?
19:33
<knipwim>
i think i got it
19:34
can you go into your chroot?
19:34
and do a emerge -av xorg-drivers
19:34
and see which INPUT_DEVICES and VIDEO_CARDS are listed?
19:34
otwieracz: ^^
19:35
<otwieracz>
Wait a second, if you can.
19:35
<knipwim>
np
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19:38
<otwieracz>
knipwim: http://wklej.org/hash/e5e51ab4d4b/
19:38
This should be sufficient.
19:39
But let me see at xorg-drivers exactly…
19:39
[ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.13 INPUT_DEVICES="evdev* keyboard* mouse* -acecad -aiptek -elographics -fpit -hyperpen -joystick -mutouch -penmount -synaptics -tslib -vmmouse -void -wacom" VIDEO_CARDS="dummy* fbdev* glint* intel* mach64* mga* nouveau* nv* r128* radeon* savage* sis* tdfx* trident* v4l* vesa* via* vmware* -apm -ark -ast -chips -cirrus -epson -fglrx -geode -i128 -i740 -modesetting -neomagic (-newport) -nvidia (-omap) (-omapfb) -qxl -ren
19:40
Also, I need via-rhine module in initrd.
19:40
How can I add it?
19:40
(other that manual building of initrd in chroot)
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19:42
<knipwim>
so, can i asume the use flags with a * are not built? for instance, do you have a x11-drivers/xf86-video-fbdev installed in the chroot?
19:42
<otwieracz>
Yes.
19:42
* WILL be built.
19:43
<knipwim>
i have the same, when booting i see the same ldminfod message on the server
19:43
when logging in on a running client, the Xorg.log tells me there are no video card drivers installed
19:44
<otwieracz>
Yep, no screens.
19:44
<knipwim>
i guess that's the problem
19:44
set the VIDEO_CARDS in make.conf for your cards
19:45
i always add vesa and fbdev and the card of the client
19:45
<otwieracz>
In chroot, right?
19:45
<knipwim>
yep
19:45
<otwieracz>
Maybe first try decommenting #VIDEO_CARDS="vesa intel radeon mach64 via"
19:45
<knipwim>
in the ltsp-build-client.conf ?
19:46
<otwieracz>
Yep.
19:46
<knipwim>
that's just for the installation
19:46
<otwieracz>
And also adding sis.
19:46
<knipwim>
a suggested default
19:46
<otwieracz>
Because my thin client is sis.
19:46
# Install only the following video card drivers in the chroot
19:46
I'll try this.
19:47
<knipwim>
so you would only have VIDEO_CARDS="vesa fbdev sis" in /etc/portage/make.conf on the chroot
19:47
<otwieracz>
But it won't be used while emerging?
19:48
<knipwim>
it will, if you put it in the chroot make.conf
19:48
just add it and emerge -av --newuse xorg-drivers
19:48
<otwieracz>
Hm.
19:48
<knipwim>
only the selected stuff will be *
19:49
<otwieracz>
What about that initramfs?
19:49
<knipwim>
if you booted before, i guess you won't need the network driver
19:50
<otwieracz>
It booted before beucase I've logged into chroot and recompiled initramfs.
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19:51
<knipwim>
but the client won't boot from the network with your new initramfs?
19:51
<otwieracz>
Why?
19:51
I do not understand.
19:51
<knipwim>
me neither :)
19:52
i could you get the ldminfod error if your client never netbooted?
19:53
<otwieracz>
My client previously netbooted BEUCASE I've logged with ltsp-chrot and edited default genkrenel config to include „via-rhine” into initramfs. Then I started genkernel, builded new kernel and initramfs and done ltsp-update-kernels.
19:53
There's no more gentle way?
19:54
<knipwim>
nope
19:54
but you don't have do that every time
19:54
<otwieracz>
do what?
19:54
<knipwim>
the initramfs and kernel are saved
19:55
<otwieracz>
Yep, but when I've rebuilded whole chroot environment…
19:55
<knipwim>
ah, the get overwritten by the ltsp-update-kernels
19:55
<otwieracz>
Yep.
19:56
<knipwim>
i use the KERNEL_CONFIG_URI for that
19:56
<otwieracz>
But now my kernel by some reason does not want to compile.
19:56
But I can not get error messages.
19:56
<knipwim>
you can set it in your ltsp-build-client.conf
19:56
<otwieracz>
Yes.
19:57
But, what's worse, I still can not affect initramfs modules.
19:57
I only can to compile as „y” via-rhine, instead of „m”.
19:57
<knipwim>
they don't get included in the genkernel conf
19:57
<otwieracz>
Yep.
19:57
<knipwim>
aahhh
19:58
crap genkernel
19:58
that's why i moved to dracut
19:59
but there is an easier way of doing that
19:59
during a build
19:59
<otwieracz>
What way?
19:59
<knipwim>
what is the file you add the module to? the genkernel config file?
19:59
<otwieracz>
Very ugly under /usr/share.
20:00
AFAIR.
20:00
<knipwim>
i don't have it installed, could you look?
20:00
in your chroot
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<otwieracz>
You don't have genkernel, right?
20:01
<knipwim>
or better, pastebin the file with the via-rhine entry added
20:01
no
20:01
wait
20:02
in my chroot :)
20:02
of course
20:02
btw, remerging the xorg-drivers with the new flags worked on my client
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<knipwim>
/usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load
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otwieracz: ^^ add the via-rhine to MODULES_NET
20:04
<otwieracz>
Exactly here I've added it :)
20:05
IDE/SATA isn't necessary, right?
20:05
<knipwim>
if they're not in the kernel, they won't be installed
20:06
<otwieracz>
They are not required for thin client, probably.
20:06
But they are loaded and it takes a while.
20:06
OK, installing.
20:06
Later genkernel.
20:08
<knipwim>
i'm working on a more permanent fixt
20:08
so you can include it in every build
20:09
<otwieracz>
Probably I need to supply CONFIG_SOMETHING_VIA_RHINE=y in kernel config.
20:09
Then it will be hardcompiled into kernel and no need to settle in initrd.
20:10
But it is still not a solution for initramfs.
20:10
And AFAIR there is no simple way to modify genkernel modules from /etc.
20:10
Only providing own setup.
20:11
Like the whole set in /usr/share/genkernel/arch/.
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<knipwim>
i was thinking of adding a line from the kicktoo config
20:12
like echo "MODULES_NET="${MODULES_NET} via-rhine" >> ${chroot_dir}/usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load
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<otwieracz>
It might be the solution.
20:18
But still workaround.
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<knipwim>
otwieracz: if you add the following to your /etc/ltsp/profiles/kicktoo-5.3.profile it'll work
20:19
http://dpaste.com/879356/
20:19
<otwieracz>
But still workaround :P
20:19
<knipwim>
in order, it will be executed after pre_install_initramfs_builder()
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<otwieracz>
Understand.
20:20
<knipwim>
true, i'll think of a way to do this with less of a workaround
20:21
and set the kernel VIA_RHINE to m in the kernel
20:21
unless i don't understand how genkernel works
20:22
it only uses the modules you built right?
20:22
or does it build the modules you select in modules_load?
20:23
<otwieracz>
knipwim: VIA_RHINE is m by default.
20:23
AFAIK it uses modules built with kernel.
20:23
<knipwim>
ok
20:24
<otwieracz>
I hate initramfs
20:26
<knipwim>
dracut is the way to go
20:26
although i haven't got it working for nfs
20:27
<otwieracz>
Yep.
20:27
<knipwim>
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Dracut
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20:38
<otwieracz>
Stupid slow server…
20:38* otwieracz got used to SSD in notebook…
20:38
<otwieracz>
But there are disadventages.
20:39
But nevermind…
20:39
:)
20:49
Booting…
20:49
And failure
20:49
<knipwim>
:(
20:49
<otwieracz>
But now X are starting.
20:49
<knipwim>
what failed
20:50
<otwieracz>
I see pointer, and console, pointer, console, pointer console.
20:50
But there is progress.
20:50
<knipwim>
you installed the extra xorg-drivers? xf86-video-sis etc ?
20:51
<otwieracz>
Yep.
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<knipwim>
in the chroot right? just making sure
20:51
<otwieracz>
From startx at client:
20:51
xterm: not found
20:52
And some weird output from ldm.
20:52
<whyzzyrd>
evening. I've been looking at the mythbuntu pluging for ltsp, and rather than reinvent the wheel, can you guide me to the documentation for custom configuration of the fat-client option?
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<knipwim>
otwieracz: the xterm is from the xdm, which tries to start some xterms by default
20:53
<otwieracz>
Yep.
20:53
<knipwim>
but you don't want ldm
20:53
erm
20:53
you don't want xdm
20:53
<otwieracz>
I understand.
20:53
<whyzzyrd>
I'd specifically like to understand how to specify a limited range of packages to install into it, and how to configure an overlay mount on /
20:53
<otwieracz>
There's no interference with ldm and xterm.
20:54
start_screen_sessions des
20:54
start_screen_sessions gives no output…
20:54
Only restarting X.
20:55
<knipwim>
on the client, do you have a /var/log/Xorg.log ?
20:56
and /var/log/ldm.log
20:56
<alkisg>
whyzzyrd: there's an overlay mount on / for ltsp fat clients anyway, you need a second one?
20:56
<otwieracz>
knipwim: Nope.
20:56
<alkisg>
whyzzyrd: You can add packages with e.g. --late-packages, but you can also install them after ltsp-build-client finishes
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<otwieracz>
knipwim: Oh, wait.
20:57
Yes.
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<otwieracz>
knipwim: Segmentation fault at address 0x0.
20:58
0: X
20:58
1: X
20:59
2: linux-gate.so.1
20:59
<knipwim>
can you pastebin the whole log?
21:00
<otwieracz>
You have to wait a moment.
21:00
<whyzzyrd>
alkisg: is there now. When I tinkered at it, I didn't see it. I'll check again. Many thanks
21:00
alkisg, is there a decent set of documentation I could look at anywhere?
21:00
<alkisg>
whyzzyrd: for mythbuntu? no, we haven't heard of them for ages
21:01
Plain ubuntu with any packages you want would work,
21:01
<otwieracz>
http://wklej.org/id/927616/
21:01
<whyzzyrd>
no, for the ltsp client build process
21:01
<alkisg>
!fatclients
21:01
<ltsp>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
21:01
<whyzzyrd>
kk
21:01
<alkisg>
And, ltsp-build-client --extra-help
21:01
<whyzzyrd>
thanks
21:01
<alkisg>
np
21:02
<whyzzyrd>
that link is apparently specific to 10.x and 11.x.
21:02
<alkisg>
It wasn't updated for 12.04, but many things there still work fine
21:03
There's also this one:
21:03
!ltsp-pnp
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<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
21:03
<whyzzyrd>
Has anything fatal changed between 5.2 and 5.4 in this area?
21:06
Thanks. I'll go read up.
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<otwieracz>
knipwim: Ideas?
21:07
knipwim: (i'm afreaid no ideas)
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<knipwim>
nope
21:10
not at this time
21:10
but it's late for me
21:10
<otwieracz>
Understand.
21:10
<knipwim>
going to bed in a few
21:11
you could post the xorg log here and maybe it's not gentoo specific and someone else can help
21:11
or perhaps in #gentoo
21:14
otwieracz: if you're not, i can recommend cc'ing on https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177580
21:14
i post all gentoo ltsp news there
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<otwieracz>
I don't know, maybe I will recompile with i386.
21:15
Maybe my i686 HP T5720 isn't really i686.
21:18
<knipwim>
i have a t5710
21:18
Transmeta Efficeon TM8000 cpu
21:18
<whyzzyrd>
5720 apparently has a 1G Geode
21:18
<knipwim>
that's i686
21:19
<whyzzyrd>
ze wikipedia reckons it's an athlon core
21:20
<otwieracz>
So it probably will not help.
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<knipwim>
otwieracz: well good luck for now, i'll probably be here tomorrow
21:22
<otwieracz>
thanks for today!
21:22
<knipwim>
not sure how long though
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<knipwim>
i think your best bet is #gentoo and the xorg log output
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<otwieracz>
I'm afraid I already know that segfaults are not easy fixable.
21:24
emerging gdb now, however.
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<whyzzyrd>
otwieracz, does something else run on this hardware?
21:25
<otwieracz>
Which hardware?
21:25
Client?
21:26
<whyzzyrd>
the one that segfaults
21:26
<otwieracz>
I've started Ubuntu, AFAIR…
21:26
Or maybe not…
21:26
<whyzzyrd>
(ie, is the ram good?)
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<otwieracz>
whyzzyrd: I think so.
21:46
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7521
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<whyzzyrd>
otwieracz, ah I see.
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<otwieracz>
Hm.
22:20
X is not crashing.
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Or, at lest, X without ldm does not crash.
22:22
I've successfully started rxvt-unicode.
22:28
http://wklej.org/id/827724/
22:28
http://wklej.org/id/927724/
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That first was a typo :)
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knipwim: http://wklej.org/id/927724/
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Maybe that's the problem.
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