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Channel log from 1 February 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<jernst>
ogra: hi, do you know if X_VIDEORAM should be working in muekow (edgy) ?
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<jernst>
ogra: are you there ?
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<jernst>
ok I've done the test X_VIDEORAM doesn't work as expected
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<cliebow>
nofxx:i WILL LOOK AT SCHOOL..I HAVE AN OPEN INITRAMFS
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whoops
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<rafiks>
hello!
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<Jenna>
hi rafiks
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<rafiks>
i have ltsp 4.1 setup ..question ..I got weird characters in my xterm..where do i setup my locale? in the TC or the server?
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<Jenna>
lts.conf
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<rafiks>
i don't see it..
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<vlt>
Hello. any chance to get an old Macintosh LC II (Motorola 64k 16 MHz, max. 10 MB RAM) running as LTSP client (just for the fun of it)?
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<Jenna>
rafiks, : locate/ find . my guess is its in ur /opt/lts../.../../etc/lts.conf
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<cliebow_>
nofxx:left my lapptop home..with the instructions..
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<vlt>
Is there an easier way to vnc to a client's session than running `x11vnc -display :6` *on the client*? Something using less net bandwidth when connecting *from* the server itself?
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<efra>
Hi everbody
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<Mighty-D>
Hi, can some one help me?, i need to get a server for ten machines, will a monoproccessor box fit?
10:04
<petre>
Mighty-D: yes, provided it's a decent processor and has sufficient RAM
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<Mighty-D>
i was thinking in core 2 duo with 2 gb ram ... i need this to work pretty good, i can't make mistakes of sizing with this client...
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<Mighty-D>
petre?
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i was thinking in core 2 duo with 2 gb ram ... i need this to work pretty good, i can't make mistakes of sizing with this client...
10:07
<petre>
sorry, just accidently killed my session
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<Mighty-D>
np, lol
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<petre>
That should handle 10-16 clients easily, perhaps 20
10:08
depends on the apps the users are running
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how many different apps simultaneously, etc.
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<Mighty-D>
ok, do you know if i can get a core 2 duo with intel mobo 965 series to work with slack?, is there any modules issue?
10:09
<petre>
I haven't used slack in years, but it was always solid for me back in the day
10:09
but that was pre-LTSP for me
10:09
nevertheless, you shouldn't have any issues
10:09
The LTSP stuff is all for the clients
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<Mighty-D>
i know.. but if slack can't get the mobo to work properly i'll be without server
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<petre>
check the slack forums
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or google for your mobo and linux
10:11
The issues I usually run into are getting the kernel to see the sata drive and the NIC
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But I usually use Fedora
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<Mighty-D>
k12?
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<petre>
yes
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Compaq's NICs are usually Marvel chips lately
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<Mighty-D>
ok, i'll check it out...
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<petre>
which are notorius for being difficult
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<Mighty-D>
thanks a lot
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<jammcq>
SCOTTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:check yoy mail
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tightvnc
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tightvnc
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<nofxx>
cliebow: pardon me ?
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<nofxx>
cliebow: this irc client only records a few lines..
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<dan__t>
hi
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<cliebow_>
wrong keyboard.....again
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<Mighty-D>
Hi, have you used intel G965 Mobo on linux?
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i've heard of JMicron (or something) for PATA, is this JM... supported ?
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<monteslu_>
hey guys, anyone ever have /etc/mtab give I/O errors ?
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my main ltsp server is hosed right now... fsck show the filesystem clean, but I can't access that file even as root
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<sbalneav>
monteslu_: Probably you've got some disk corruption there.
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<monteslu_>
sbalneav, I think so, but fsck doesnt show anything
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i can't rename or delete the file
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<dan__t>
So here's a dumb one, more linux-centric - what would cause numerical UIDs to show up in utilities like ps? Some show numerical UIDs, others show their textual represented value from /etc/passwd just fine.
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<sbalneav>
Maybe it's been marked immutable?
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<monteslu_>
how would I check that?
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<sbalneav>
Ummmm....
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Looking
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<dan__t>
lsattr would show it, iirc
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<sbalneav>
lsattr
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<dan__t>
Yes, just checked - lsattr will show that.
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<sbalneav>
doh.
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<monteslu_>
lsattr: Input/output error while trying to stat /etc/mtab
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<dan__t>
Interesting.
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Are you doing this from a client?
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<sbalneav>
How are you checking this filesystem? It's not currently MOUNTED now, is it?
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<monteslu_>
im on a client ssh'd in
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it is currently mounted
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<sbalneav>
fsck'ing a mounted filesystem == bad.
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<monteslu_>
i went in with a sysrescd, and got the same result
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<dan__t>
The client mounts /etc ro, right?
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<monteslu_>
no, i didn't fsck while mounted
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<sbalneav>
then how did you ssh in? /etc's on / usually
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<monteslu_>
actually I've got a two ltsp server, 1 smbldap server setup
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<sbalneav>
how do you ssh into a machine with no / mounter?
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<monteslu_>
I'm sshed in now
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<sbalneav>
mounted.
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HOW did you fsck the filesystem, then?
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<monteslu_>
with a system rescue cd
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sysresccd.org
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i didn't fsck while it was mounted
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i then rebooted and its / is mounted, but the file is still having problems
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fsck never reported any erros
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<sbalneav>
Then that would indicate that either the fsck didn't work.
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Or, you've got something really weird going on.
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<monteslu_>
i had to reboot to log in from my secondary ltsp server, as it is the one with the problem is the primary server with dhcp
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I've got something really wierd going on :)
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the main ltsp server(the one with the problem) won't do an NFS mount to the smbldap server because it errors when trying to read /etc/mtab
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the manifestation is that users pointed to ltsp1 don't get a home directory
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<sbalneav>
You have backups, I presume?
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<monteslu_>
I've somehow got to fix this file, or I'm rebuilding the server. That would be bad, because teachers are trying to do their grades right now
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sure, backups of home directories
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but the smblap server is doing fine
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just the main ltsp server with the problem
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<monteslu_>
I guess I could re-address the secondary as the main, and then have all 65 workstations got to the single server, but that would suck
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<sbalneav>
I'd boot the server off the rescue cd, mount it, and try to delete it that way.
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<monteslu_>
tried that
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i/o error
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<sbalneav>
what KIND of io error exactly?
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Are you getting kernel messages from dmesg?
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<monteslu_>
[root@ltsp1 ~]# cat /etc/mtab
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cat: /etc/mtab: Input/output error
15:16
I'll check dmesg
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nothing interesting in dmesg that I can tell
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a little more info... There was a power outage yesterady, this box isn't behind a ups. I'm sure there is corruption, and I have another mtab file I can use, but I'm not able to replace the broken one
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also the file is on hadware mirror, its a dell server and / is /dev/hda3
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errr... /dev/sda3
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<knight>
Hi all
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<monteslu_>
maybe I should copy everything else in /etc to say /somewhereelse/etc
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mv /etc to /etc old
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then, symlink /etc to /somewherelese/etc ?
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<knight>
I have an error with nfs not mounting the root ddirectory
15:23
i am using ubuntu
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nfs is running
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and /etc/exports is setup
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by default
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I am using ltsp 4.2
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<sbalneav>
monteslu_: That wouldn't work.
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<monteslu_>
why?
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<sbalneav>
mtab is a generated file, so simply getting it removed would fix the problem.
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Symlinking etc might have unintended consequences.
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<monteslu_>
but i can't remove it. even with a sysresccd
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<sbalneav>
Actually, let me rephrase, symlinking etc might work, might not, but I couldn't guarentee.
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have you tried putting in the drive in a different machine?
15:28
Perhaps the problem's on the mobo.
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<monteslu_>
could be, but check this out.... I copied /etc to /mnt, the renamed /etc, then mkdir /etc and copied the contents the new /etc
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mtab gone!
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<sbalneav>
that's not comforting.
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<monteslu_>
not at all
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<sbalneav>
Are all the perms/oweners the same?
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<monteslu_>
and the /etcold still has the problems
15:29
no idea
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about permissions... yet
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ls
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err..
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looks like they stayed the same
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gonna bounce the server and check :)
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<monteslu_>
I really got get some UPSs in here
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<sbalneav>
That, and at least raid 1 for the servers :)
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<monteslu_>
I'm just volunteering for this school, don't need time wasters like this
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they do all have raid1
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nevermind, not this one
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<sbalneav>
:)
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<monteslu_>
actually it does have raid1, in hardware.. linux recognizes it as /dev/sda
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the smbldap has a 3ware card
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<sbalneav>
3ware = good
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<monteslu_>
yup.. dell = shitebag
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<monteslu_>
at least that's my mantra now that I've gotten this wierd error
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uh oh, smartd seg faulted
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maybe permissions weren't quite right
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do I need smartd ?
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<monteslu_>
wooohooo!!!! were back
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thanks much, sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
NP
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<monteslu_>
gonna upgrade these servers soon, so I'll just pretend that /etcold isn't hosed
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<dan__t>
So what other cool toys are out there to compliment LTSP?
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I don't care what it is, just want to see what else is out there that can help someone with daily operations etc etc.
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<monteslu>
dan__t, you mean for schools or businesses ?
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<dan__t>
EIther/or.
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<monteslu>
well, I use a bunch of linux things. Lamp servers for things like joomla, with the calendar for posting events, email, ipcop, mythtv, asterisk... on and on
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mythtv is my latest toy, but as soon as I get my setup 100% worked out, I'm probably going to do big asterisk rollout at the school I volunteer at
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<kaos01>
whats mythtv ?
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<monteslu>
its not related to ltsp, but its a tivo like thing you can build with a linux box
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<kaos01>
tivo ?
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<cliebow>
J45p3r:Hey!
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<jammcq>
howdie
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<cliebow>
jammcq:@!!!!!!
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get thta pic?
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<jammcq>
cliebow: yeah
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had a good laugh
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where'd you get that?
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<cliebow>
CDool
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i found an awesome mod for smoothwall to feed pxe to clients in my satellite schools1
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<jammcq>
that's fine, but what about NFS ?
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<cliebow>
it has option root path as well
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globally..best i can do for now
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etherboot runs on 1001/2 so that works
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<cliebow>
one of my guys found the pic somewhere
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gets me out of a jam for now anyway..
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<jammcq>
cool
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