IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 May 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:09
<alkisg>
That's not specific to LTSP/thin clients
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00:09
<alkisg>
You can edit menus with the menu editor
00:10
You can apply menus per group with the edubuntu menu editor, I don't know if it's available to other distros
00:10
You can apply menus per user/group with the sabayon tool
00:10
All those are not directly related to LTSP.
00:12
<khussein78_>
thanks alkisg i will try them
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00:30
<blueonyx>
ahoi, how to make the sshd of my fat clients use the /etc/{passwd,shadow} from my terminal server?
00:34
<alkisg>
LTSP doesn't provide for that, and it's not a good idea either, because if someone gets root access to a fat client, then he also gets access to /etc/shadow of the server
00:34
<blueonyx>
alkisg: yea i should ask in some openssh channel
00:34
<alkisg>
Erm, I don't think so
00:35
<blueonyx>
but there should something possible with pam
00:35
<alkisg>
It's a chroot. sshd would use the users that exist on that chroot
00:35
There are solution for using the accounts of a remote system. E.g. LDAP.
00:35
<blueonyx>
i know, i'm asking to change that
00:35
<alkisg>
It's not related to ssh.
00:36
<blueonyx>
okay, but ldap is to much for me, is there something easy? i dont exactly know what pam is, but should i look into it?
00:36
<alkisg>
Start with "why"
00:37
Why do you want users to be able to ssh to your fat clients?
00:37
Were you the one with the "cluster based on fat clients" setup?
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00:37
<blueonyx>
because i want to administrate my work horses central (with ltsp's help) and my fat clients are in a room far away and without screen and keyboard
00:38
could be yea :)
00:38
<alkisg>
OK. What about security? E.g. are you on a completely trusted environment? Or it's possible that a user might be malicious?
00:39
<blueonyx>
pretty trusted environment
00:40
of course the small probability that someone gets mad remains ;)
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00:41
<alkisg>
Then a simple solution would be to modify LTSP just a bit, so that it copies the server passwd and shadow locally. Generally it's a bad idea to give those to thin/fat clients, so I'd try to use LDAP or NIS if I were you.
00:42
Also with that setup (and also with your current setup) your users won't be able to change their passwords
00:43
You'll need to provide them with a scripted tool for that
00:43
Another idea is this: an LTSP developer is writing a pam module for ssh authentication on another system
00:43
Which is basically what you want
00:44
The goal is to make it part of LTSP in future releases
00:44
But you could use that pam module to solve your problem now
00:44
He recently reported in the mailing list that it's currently usable
00:46
<blueonyx>
ah i heard about NIS before
00:46
but this pam stuff is what i thought about, yet couldnt articulate :)
00:46
thanks alkisg will look into it
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01:10
<listpi>
blueonyx : hi , have u done with local hardisk stuff
01:12
<blueonyx>
it works for me and i wrote what i did
01:13
get your harddisk not detected? can you pastebin 'sudo fdisk -l'?
01:14
listpi: my hdds get detected, just not automounted, thats why i did echo 'for f in /dev/sd[a-z][0-9] /dev/VolGroup*/LogVol*; do udisks --mount "$f"; done' >> /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I90-automount
01:15
maybe you try it like: boot, login, run: for f in /dev/sd[a-z][0-9]; do udisks --mount "$f"; done and report back
01:15
<alkisg>
That VolGroup* part was for the LVM you were saying you had?
01:16
<blueonyx>
yep
01:16
<alkisg>
Nice
01:16
<blueonyx>
alkisg: just needed sudo chroot /opt/lts... apt-get install lvm2
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01:20
<listpi>
blueonyx : ya i have tried it ....as u said i run this command in command line also ...it is getting mounted ....but not showing in desktop
01:20
blueonyx : it is showing only in command line when i do ctrl + f7 ,,,,go into /media it is showing blank
01:21
blueonyx : in your case it is showing on ur client side or not
01:23
#ulteo
01:23
<blueonyx>
hm
01:24
listpi: dont you get an error from udisks?
01:24
or any other output?
01:25
<listpi>
blueonyx : i din't get any error ...when i run that command upper 3 line it was showing not mounted and in 4th line it gets mounted successfully
01:25
blueonyx :
01:26
blueonyx : and also help me in my case client is not getting booting in kiosk mode...if there is any trobleshooting
01:26
<blueonyx>
listpi: can you paste the output somewhere pls?
01:26
<listpi>
blueonyx : ya sure i can send it to u
01:26
wait
01:26
<blueonyx>
listpi: you have to report your errors more precisly
01:26
listpi: pastebin.com or equivalent pls
01:26
i'm not the only one here, who might help you
01:29
<listpi>
blueonyx : tell me why kiosk mode is not working in 10.04 as i have done the fresh installation ....it is showing only booting screen to me
01:32
<blueonyx>
listpi: sry i dont know about kiosk mode, but you can hit esc on booting screen to maybe see an error message
01:33
<listpi>
blueonyx : k if u r using desktop mode ,,,then also your blank hardisk is showing on client side or not'
01:33
blueonyx : i just want this local hardisk to be shown to the client
01:35
<blueonyx>
listpi: with my xinitrc script my _partitioned and formatted_ local harddisks get shown on the desktop
01:38
listpi: i dont find many information on kiosk mode, maybe you try fat clients (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients) and configure gdm/a user to automaticly login (a user)?
01:49
hm, the libpam_sshauth bzr repo doesn't contain a ./configure script, only a configure.ac, what to do?
02:13
no one here into autoconf? :(
02:23
<listpi>
blueonyx : which ubuntu version have u used for ltsp
02:24
<blueonyx>
listpi: lucid 10.04
02:24
<listpi>
blueonyx : can u please hsare with me ....the process of your installation ...
02:24
blueonyx :can also get hardisk on desktop
02:25
<blueonyx>
listpi: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LTSP (german) + https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
02:25
listpi: that last one i told you a hundred times now :)
02:27
<listpi>
blueonyx : sorry dear m asking again and again ...but i want to do this project
02:27
blueonyx : thanks
02:30
blueonyx : which option have u used for building client like ltsp-build-client --option
02:32
<blueonyx>
listpi: the ones given at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
02:33
listpi: there is a /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf given
02:34
and i saw, you can also drop the http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LTSP part, since the whole ltsp installation is to install ltsp-server-standalone
02:34
<listpi>
blueonyx : after that your client login auto or they need password to login
02:34
<blueonyx>
need passwd
02:35
<listpi>
k if i follow this installation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients it will work like u right
02:35
<blueonyx>
but on your ltsp server, if you have desktop, go to usermanagement and add your kiosk user and i think there is an option "login without passwd", try it
02:35
i guess
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02:37
<listpi>
k if i follow this installation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients it will work like u right...thanks dear i will try
02:57
<blueonyx>
anyone using libpam_sshauth here? i think i installed it right, but it dont work from the chroot :(
03:02
<alkisg>
It's too early in the development stages, I don't think anyone's tried it yet
03:02
If you have problems with it, reply to sbalneav on the ltsp developers list
03:03
<blueonyx>
yea will do
03:03
maybe it's just pamtest, since authlog says pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user ... so everything seems to be okay, but pamtest asks for passwd again O.o
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03:41
<listpi>
blueonyx ; u have the fat client installation or thin client
03:41
for ur desktop
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03:52
<blueonyx>
hey, i got my new fatclient booted now, but he complains he cant reach the nbd-server, which is true since it isnt running, how does ltsp start/configure its nbd-server?
03:56
<alkisg>
With inetd, in /etc/inetd.conf
03:58
<blueonyx>
i have no such file O.o
03:58
alkisg: can you paste/link me one?
03:59
<alkisg>
blueonyx: wait, let's see why
03:59
dpkg-query -W openbsd-inetd
03:59
<blueonyx>
but make it quick, i have to sit in our "room of winds" next to my cluster :))
03:59
echos openbsd-inetd
04:00
<alkisg>
So it's not installed. Weird, that's Ubuntu, right?
04:01
<blueonyx>
hm, i did an apt-get upgrade and should reboot, but i cant
04:01
alkisg: yep its lucid
04:01
so dpkg-reconfigure it and what for ltsp?
04:01
<alkisg>
blueonyx: run ltsp-info and put the result to pastebin
04:02
<blueonyx>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/jyR7sBSi
04:05
<alkisg>
blueonyx: I wonder why you have ldm installed on your server
04:06
<blueonyx>
i guess it came with ltsp-server-standalone?
04:06
<alkisg>
No, it's to be installed on the chroot, not on the server
04:06
<blueonyx>
i even have compiz, because of an obscure dependency :/
04:06
okay
04:06
what does it do with inetd?
04:07
<alkisg>
blueonyx: what does this give you? dpkg -l '*inet*' | grep ^ii
04:08
<blueonyx>
ii update-inetd 4.35ubuntu0.1 inetd configuration file updater
04:08
ii xinetd 1:2.3.14-7ubuntu3 replacement for inetd with many enhancements
04:08
O.o
04:08
<alkisg>
Yup
04:08
Something brought xinetd as a dependency
04:08
That's why ltsp-server didn't install openbsd-inetd
04:08
aptitude why xinetd
04:09
<blueonyx>
ai
04:09
<alkisg>
What does this tell you? ^
04:09
<blueonyx>
i ltsp-server-standalone Depends ltsp-server
04:09
i A ltsp-server Depends openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver
04:09
i xinetd Provides inet-superserver
04:09
hey thats a need command :)
04:09
*neat
04:09
maybe someone before me installed it
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<alkisg>
Urm, it seems that you installed something, which brought xinetd, and then installed ltsp, and then uninstalled that something
04:09
OK
04:10
So now you either configure xinetd manually, or install openbsd-inetd && remove xinetd
04:10
<blueonyx>
the open* install already did the removing
04:10
what's next?
04:11
<alkisg>
`sudo ltsp-update-image --force` will take some time but will automatically update your inetd
04:11
There are other ways, that's the first one to come to mind
04:12
Hmm no
04:12
It won't put the other entries there, for swap etc
04:12
<blueonyx>
this takes some time on your machine? :>
04:12
kthx
04:13
<alkisg>
Haha it depends on your chroot size, mine is > 5 Gb compressed
04:13
> 12 uncompressed (the default)
04:14
9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
04:14
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
04:14
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
04:14
Those are the required lines in /etc/inetd.conf
04:14
blueonyx: btw, do an: aptitude why ldm
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04:20
<blueonyx>
alkisg: yea mine is just 2.8G
04:21
<alkisg>
(02:14:06 PM) alkisg: 9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
04:21
(02:14:06 PM) alkisg: 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
04:21
(02:14:06 PM) alkisg: 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
04:21
(02:14:13 PM) alkisg: Those are the required lines in /etc/inetd.conf
04:21
(02:14:56 PM) alkisg: blueonyx: btw, do an: aptitude why ldm
04:23
<blueonyx>
i ltspfsd Recommends ldm
04:24
<alkisg>
And why ltspfsd?
04:24
(that too is for the chroot)
04:24
<blueonyx>
because i'm stupid?
04:24
<alkisg>
No I meant "aptitude why"
04:24
<blueonyx>
hm those 957* lines are missing :/
04:24
i installed it
04:25
<alkisg>
Ah ok
04:25
:)
04:25
blueonyx: one way is to remove + reinstall ltsp-server
04:25
It won't remove your chroot
04:25
Another is to add them manually
04:28
<blueonyx>
now the fat client cant find an init O.o
04:32
but there is an init= bootarg in pxe..0/default :(
04:35
btw how does your /etc/motd look like?
04:36
<alkisg>
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-08-20 19:49 /etc/motd -> /var/run/motd (broken symlink)
04:42
<blueonyx>
wow now my new fat client boots too :)) thank you so much
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04:46
<stefn>
hi, after I logged in on my ltsp client, some pc's their screen goes black and start flickering once in a while on an edubuntu 10.04 system...
04:46
does anyone know what's causing this?
04:54
<blueonyx>
stefn: do you also have problems from time to time when booting the machines? maybe this comment helps? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034/comments/13
04:54
gotta move
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05:22
<stefn>
I tried the fix, but I still have the same problem... But indeed it sometimes hang on boot... But not very often
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<stefn>
I only have the problem on older computers
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11:12
<Zarrku>
Hello alkisg, are you around for help?
11:13
<alkisg>
Hi Zarrku, also doing some other things but sure shoot
11:13
<Zarrku>
I am still having trouble with the gx150s amixer problem, what would you suggest to fix the problem
11:15
<alkisg>
Start by putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
11:15
<Zarrku>
Also, do you think going with xubuntu would fix the problem?
11:16
Okay
11:17
<alkisg>
No, if it's an X problem then changing the desktop environment won't help
11:24
<Zarrku>
going with Xubuntu over other editions does this allow less memory usage?
11:24
more terminals?
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11:28
<alkisg>
Zarrku: imho xubuntu doesn't really need much less ram than ubuntu. And for thin client, I think that the major limit is the server network bandwidth, not its RAM... so I wouldn't care about the desktop environment for thin clients
11:28
For fat, ok, I'd use LXDE on low-ram fat clients
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11:59
<pmatulis>
anyone use wyse thin clients? i'm in the market for some new clients
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12:27
<dead_root>
pmatulis i have always gotten good clients from http://www.disklessworkstations.com/
12:30
<pmatulis>
dead_root: thx, i'm already ordering one from there. i'm looking for something else
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12:45
<andygraybeal>
greettings!
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