IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 14 March 2013   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<Enslaver>
Has anyone loaded up a Centos or Scientific Linux vm and tried out ltsp on that?
00:03
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: i got as far as loading centos 6.4
00:03* Enslaver cheers
00:03
<Enslaver>
only 1 step left
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05:21
<alkisg>
OverlayFS File-System Proposed For Linux 3.10 Kernel: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyNzA
05:22
<vagrantc>
cool!
05:24
<alkisg>
!arcfour | echo Enslaver:
05:24
<ltsp>
Enslaver: arcfour: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC4 is an SSH cipher which is more than 2 times faster than the default aes128-ctr. To enable it, set LDM_SSHOPTIONS="-o Ciphers=arcfour128".
05:24
<alkisg>
Ah no I meant warren ^
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05:39
<Enslaver>
Very interesting read
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10:58
<piotr_monko>
Hi everybody
10:59
I'm doing an edubuntu rollout of two classrooms, on old dell optiplex 745 and got a question:
11:00
Anyone knows if there is a way to gracefully shutdown or even put to sleep a network interface of an ltsp client before total poweroff?
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11:02
<piotr_monko>
The way it is done by default is that, because the root filesystem is on the network, the pc is powered off with minimal hubbub, but that prevents any shutdown scripts, including /etc/init.d/halt, from running, and thus the network interface is powered off in a way that prevents machines from responding to wake on lan
11:02
Anyone?
11:05
<muppis>
Does wol works when using local system?
11:07
<piotr_monko>
Yes, edubuntu local install and xp, if shutdown properly, make the wol reappera
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11:09
<highvoltage>
piotr_monko: ah I haven't heard of that one before
11:10
<piotr_monko>
highvoltage: The nic is run by a tg3 kernel driver and it "does stuff" on being rmmoded, and I guess on poweroff too.
11:12
<muppis>
Ah. I
11:12
I've seen some problems with tg3 and poweroff.
11:13
<piotr_monko>
muppis: So, ltsp uses poweroff?
11:13
<muppis>
But can't really recall what it was and did I resolve them. Probably not.
11:13
<piotr_monko>
muppis: Any idea where to look for a script that calls /sbin/poweroff?
11:14
I've noticed that on ltsp clients the shutdown procedure is very efficient and very short, is poweroff called directly or through some wrapper?
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11:15
<highvoltage>
piotr_monko: I have an idea of where it is, just taking a look now...
11:16
<piotr_monko>
Thanks. Waiting.
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11:18
<highvoltage>
ah I thought it might be somewhere in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d but it doesn't seem to be there
11:18
perhaps it's just hardcoded in LDM
11:19
piotr_monko: I think what you're looking for is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X99-zzz-logout-action
11:20
<piotr_monko>
highvoltage: LDM does not give much in way of configuration, am I screwed?
11:20
Ah, thanks.
11:20
<highvoltage>
you can probably replace the 'poweroff' with what you need and rebuild the chroot, but it sounds like something that should be fixed in ltsp to me
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11:22
<piotr_monko>
highvoltage: Well, according to Dell pepople: Use of ethtool to enable WoL is only effective in cases where the relevant network interface is shut down before the server is powered off.
11:23
That's a bit out of context, but the gist of it is that the nic has to be properly poweredoff before the pc itself is powered off.
11:23
<highvoltage>
piotr_monko: so if there's a power failure, you're screwed :)
11:24
<piotr_monko>
Yes
11:26
Have had exactly that problem on a dell poweredge, but there it was simple - just set it to boot on ac restore, but this time that will not do as its a public classroom.
11:27
<muppis>
Which exact release you're using?
11:29
<piotr_monko>
muppis: edubuntu 12.04.1, fairly updated
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11:36
<piotr_monko>
Well, whichever way wol goes it is not a killer feature, can do without it, but I still want to say thank you to all you people for ltsp and mappis and highvoltage for help.
11:36
See you later.
11:41
<highvoltage>
ciao
11:42
<muppis>
Huh. Googled around and founded that WoL issue in tg3 module has fixed in RHEL years ago.
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13:13
<jammcq>
good morning all
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13:30
<sbalneav>
Morning all
13:30
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:33
<ogra_>
!s
13:33
<ltsp>
s: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:34
<sbalneav>
Morning!
13:34
Anyone up for working on the new ltsp6 branch?
13:40
<jammcq>
well... we should have a conversation about our goals for LTSP-6
13:42
but I don't see Alkisg around and it's too early for vagrantc
13:43
<ogra_>
included touchscreen support wouldnt be bad i guess ... due to the win8 certification requirements you wont be able to buy screens without touch in the mid term
13:43
<jammcq>
yeah, that's what we all want... fingerprints all over our nice clean screens
13:43
<ogra_>
heh
13:44
well, not saying i like that ... but new hardware will come with it by default
13:44
at least from manufacturers that certify their devices for windows
13:45
(and given that developing v6 will take a while i bet they are all over the place once v6 releases)
13:46
<jammcq>
I guess we should have a wiki page with a list of the things for LTSP-6. we can add touch support to that list
13:47
I wouldn't consider touch a requirement, but if someone wants to make it work, we might as well
13:49
<ogra_>
nah, not a requirement ... but thats one thing in the HW world that will change
13:56
i also dont know what the story with lightdm and X will be, could happen that it will fully move to Mir so looking into alternative DMs might be in order
13:56
<jammcq>
with lightdm running on the thin client, it might be ok.
13:57
when Mir becomes useable, it's supposed to support X apps
13:57
<ogra_>
yeah
13:57
<jammcq>
X won't go away until Mir is really ready
13:57
<ogra_>
X wont go away ...
13:57
<jammcq>
well, the Xorg server won't go away until then
13:57
<ogra_>
no "until"
13:57
:)
13:58
<jammcq>
the X protocol will live on
13:58
<ogra_>
at least for the next 10 years i think we can be sure that there are X packages
13:59
in all distros
13:59
<jammcq>
and ubuntu going to Mir doesn't mean all distros will
13:59
some will do Wayland
13:59
<ogra_>
the question is will remote X work with Mir and Wayland
13:59
<jammcq>
and some witll stick with Xorg
13:59
<ogra_>
right
13:59
Mir is mostly targeting to replace SurfaceFlinger atm
14:00
not even plans for moving to the desktop before october
14:01
*there are
14:07
<jammcq>
ogra_: there's still gonna be a 13.04 release, right?
14:08
<ogra_>
yep
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15:41
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: do you remember the details with the bot? We didn't install the stock ubuntu supybot but some modified version of it, right?
15:43
Was the name of the fork, gribble? Why did we prefer the forked version, for compatibility with the older archives?
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<Hyperbyte>
gribble, yes.
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<Hyperbyte>
It had to do with.... mmm
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<Hyperbyte>
Fedora, actually. It has PySQLite3, Supybot only supported PySQLite2. If memory serves.
16:07
<alkisg>
Ah. So for the Greek schools IRC channel, I don't see a reason not to select supybot...
16:07
Ty
16:07
<Hyperbyte>
You could just stick 'ltsp' in there.
16:07
I wouldn't mind. :P
16:09
<alkisg>
Yeah we did that previously when the bot was on your server... it even helped with the factoids being shared between the channels
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<Hyperbyte>
Well why don't you go for it?
16:14
<alkisg>
Sounds good... jammcq any objections if I have the ltsp bot on the server also join #ts.sch.gr (ltsp support for greek schools)?
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<sbalneav>
win 6
17:14
<ogra_>
lose 5
17:14
keep 1 :)
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Hey there! You got some time?
18:28
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: not really
18:28
sbalneav: well, i'll have about 15 minutes ... in about half an hour
18:28
<sbalneav>
ok
18:38
So, I'm just talking out loud here, I guess anyone who sees it can comment.
18:38
One supposes what we'd like to have happen, in a pure thin client environment, is have something listening to udev for device inserts.
18:39
When a device is inserted, we'd mount it on the thin client's /media directory.
18:40
then we'd want some kind of mount from the client to the server.
18:44
Now the question is, do we want to retain the current ltsp model, where the ltspfsd mounts and unmounts the drive, so that people can yank the stick when they want?
18:45
Or do we want to go to a model like on the standard diesktop where people have to right click->eject to make things work?
18:58
<jammcq>
I've always liked the way we did it in ltsp, allowing the user to pull out the device whenever they want.
19:02
<vagrantc>
but they should also be able to unmount them through convention means ... that's been a source of a lot of confusion.
19:04
although with filesystems that have a filesystem check after X number of mounts, the auto-unmount can be a bit annoying
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: did you have something that needed me specifically?
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19:29
<Enslaver>
Hmm having an issue with number lock, seems either on or off it still doesnt take input from the 10-key over thin client
19:30
Im thinking xkb map related?
19:31
<alkisg>
numlockx status; setxkbmap -print
19:35
<Enslaver>
no command numlockx, and setxkbmap -print shows I'm using a pc105 us keyboard
19:37
Both numlock on or off show 10-key '0' printing "^[0"
19:38
installed numlockx and ran numlockx on
19:38
same result
19:38
<alkisg>
Does it do that even in LDM, before the session?
19:38* alkisg has heard of some bugs about gnome and numlock handling...
19:38
<Enslaver>
this is through xdmcp
19:39
<alkisg>
E.g. try an xterm session...
19:39
<vagrantc>
works fine when not using XDMCP?
19:40
<Enslaver>
yes
19:40
<sbalneav>
So, I'm working on a program at the moment. udev listener. Connects to X server. Upon insertion of a device, will set 3 properties
19:41
LTSP_AUTOMOUNT_DEV with the device
19:41
LTSP_AUTOMOUNT_ID with the label of the device.
19:42
<vagrantc>
as much as possible, keep the variable names consistant with the udev-set variables?
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<alkisg>
Would http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ be more suitable? I.e. allow more than just filesystem devices, or even allow forwarding to an rdesktop session...
20:04
Although that wouldn't work for CDs...
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<Enslaver>
Well the 10 key issue only seems to affect our old terminals running ltsp 4.2 and only the 0 key isnt working, very odd
20:34
Especially since it just started happening this morning
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<sbalneav>
usbip:
20:42
LIMITATIONS usbipd offers no authentication or authorization for USB/IP. Any USB/IP client running on an authorised host can connect and use exported devices.
20:43
<alkisg>
About its ports? We could use the ssh channel there, no?
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<alkisg>
Is there a reason we don't allow the client to "normally" mount the devices with e.g. udisks or whatever else it uses, and just use ltspfs to export it to the server as well?
20:46
Wouldn't that make it more seamless for fats/localapps/remoteapps/whatever?
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<sbalneav>
That's what I'm looking into right now.
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<alkisg>
One thing I noticed there is that policykit prefers to have a "local, active" user
20:50
I.e. one logged in with su - and registered in wtmp etc etc
20:51
The output of ck-list-sessions helps there
20:51
If not, then udisks might refuse to automount the device even if all the hooks are there
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<Enslaver>
ok lets try a different route, to get a ether boot image made I'm guessing it needs a NBI wrapper, what would be the mkelfimage argument to create an image suitable for booting the 150e's?
21:02
<vagrantc>
depends on what era of etherboot...
21:02
newer versions of etherboot supported PXE
21:02
<Enslaver>
trying it on the old diskless workstations 150e's
21:02
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: but there's still example code in update-kernels
21:02
<Enslaver>
or 170es
21:03
<vagrantc>
or at least there was as of some revisions ago ...
21:03
<Enslaver>
Followed one i found from warren's examples and tried one from altlinux source
21:03
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: ltsp-trunk/client/share/ltsp/update-kernels
21:03
<Enslaver>
the mkelfimage one pulls the image, gets a bunch of ?.'s during tftp, then reboots
21:04
the wraplinux one says the features cx8 and cmlv are not present on the cpu
21:04
cmov*
21:04
<vagrantc>
that one worked, then... that's the kernel complaining.
21:04
<Enslaver>
seems the kernel is too new
21:05
when i use an older kernel it boots then says kernel too old
21:05
lol
21:05
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: this porridge is too cold...
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21:06
<Enslaver>
foshizzle
21:07
seems 2.6.20 isn't working, and 2.6.32 is too new
21:08
there a sweet spot kernel?
21:09
hrm, maybe i need a true i386 one
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<||cw>
Enslaver: are you compiling your own kernels or using distro ones?
21:21
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: yes, you just need a kernel compiled without requiring i586 or i686 extensions
21:22
<Enslaver>
cw: compiling my own
21:23
alright i'll start a compile, lets hope it completes before my boss has a shit fit
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<Enslaver>
unless someone has a generic vmlinuz lying around that they could send me with NBD support compiled in? :)
21:24
oh and initrd =)
21:27
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: should i upload the 0.3~ version to debian experimental?
21:28
sbalneav: or should i wait till you've got 0.4~ working?
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21:30
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: wait for now.
21:31
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: and is libnss-sshsock used without modification, or used at all?
21:31
sbalneav: i'm reconsidering dropping libpam-sshauth from wheezy, if it really doesn't work.
21:32
sbalneav: or rather, i'm not sure we want to support it for the wheezy release cycle at the 0.1 version
21:32
though there are at least 6 people actually using it...
21:32
<sbalneav>
libnss-sshsock isn't going to be useful to us
21:32
but I think vmlintu was using it?
21:33
<vagrantc>
since we're re-writing all this stuff right now, i'm thinking we shouldn't ship the older versions in wheezy...
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22:06
<sbalneav>
Has anyone tried my new chroot instructions at all?
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: I can try it now if you'd like
22:16
<sbalneav>
Sure! I just wanted to see if anyone had any problems.
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22:17
<jammcq>
sbalneav: how do I start? I've got a wheazy system sitting here ready to go
22:17
<sbalneav>
got a thin client?
22:17
<jammcq>
u betcha
22:17
<sbalneav>
ok, well, build the chroot first, then I can step you through the fixups.
22:19
<jammcq>
k, it's building. prolly will take a while
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22:43
<jammcq>
sbalneav: ok, got me a shiny new chroot
22:45
<sbalneav>
ok
22:45
so have a look at... (1 sec)
22:46
http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
22:46
<jammcq>
first i'll try booting my stock chroot
22:46
<sbalneav>
Current Progress heading.
22:46
<jammcq>
make sure it's working
22:46
<sbalneav>
sure.
22:49
<jammcq>
ok, she boots. I'll go to the wiki now
22:58
sbalneav: ok, first minor problem... I don't have a /lib/security directory. should I just create it?
22:59
<sbalneav>
You probably have a /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security directory
22:59
drop it in there.
22:59
<jammcq>
k, wiki should prolly say that
23:01
<sbalneav>
fixed
23:02
<jammcq>
grab https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-pam-examples
23:03
how do I do that step?
23:03
<sbalneav>
bzr branch lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-pam-examples
23:04
<Enslaver>
Ok i found the problem, the default key map was set to 105 key (intl) and it needs to be set to 104key, where is that default stored at?
23:09
<sbalneav>
jammcq: OK, I'm gonna head home, should be back at the keyboad in a bout an hour.
23:09
<jammcq>
sbalneav: the wiki says to comment out 'start-screen-sessions'
23:09
but it's 'start_screen_sessions'
23:10
I can fix it
23:10
<sbalneav>
typo
23:10
_, -, what's the diff? :)
23:10
bbiab