IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 September 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:04
<andygraybeal>
i thought getting 64bit clients would be hard enough :)
00:05
<Roasted>
haha, yeah...
00:06
we just have a lab of old emacs and we were struggling to find gear to convert them to ltsp
00:06
but then I was like, wait, they can network boot...
00:06
but, powerpc. :/
00:06
just a thought before I dive in and rip it apart - but tha's not even for a week or two
00:06
<andygraybeal>
:)
00:07
it's funny you wrote 'emacs' .. i'm sure unaware
00:07
<Roasted>
yeah
00:07
emacs
00:07
http://withfriendship.com/images/h/38309/EMac-picture.jpg
00:07
:)
00:07
<andygraybeal>
is there actual hardware called emacs?
00:07
aaah
00:07
<Roasted>
older macs
00:07
STORMSHIP TROOPER
00:07
take the back shell off and it doubles as a very nice star wars helmet for halloween
00:07
<andygraybeal>
had no idea there was such a peice of hardware :)
00:07
<Roasted>
yeah
00:07
theyre older
00:07
<andygraybeal>
hahah nice
00:07
<Roasted>
and pieces of shit
00:07
but
00:07
eh
00:08
we own them, so if we can continue to use them, why not?
00:08
<andygraybeal>
exatly
00:08
<Roasted>
figured it was worth he effort to ask here and research a bit
00:08
:P
00:09
https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12linux-devel-list/2008-December/msg00031.html
00:09
people talk as if it might be possible?
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01:04
<andygraybeal>
Roasted, find anything else ?
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07:36
<Hyperbyte>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/433189
07:37
I'm having this exact problem on my thin clients. Rather than going through the motions of filing a bug report, I thought I'd try here first.
07:37
This is with the DLWS Term 1720
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08:07
<xagapiou>
geia xara
08:07
alkisg akouei?
08:07
<Hyperbyte>
I was about to say that!
08:07
<alkisg>
xagapiou: hi
08:07
xagapiou: this is an english-only channel
08:08
Please join #linux.sch.gr instead
08:08
Type: /j #linux.sch.gr
08:08
<Hyperbyte>
Awe. I was looking forward to improving my Greek. :(
08:08
<alkisg>
Hehe, you can join #linux.sch.gr too ;)
08:08
<Hyperbyte>
Oh can I can I can I? :-D
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08:55
<andygraybeal_>
gah, so boring.. i've been up since like 3:30am
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08:56
<andygraybeal_>
my rediculous cat needs to go outside before i go to sleep next time.
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09:15
<Hyperbyte>
Andy, cats are funny like that. :)
09:16
Our cat has found that if he climbs the roof, and whines in front of bedrooms windows long enough, people let him in.
09:17
So at 12'ish, we let him out... and around 3, 4 AM he wants to get back in to eat a little bit downstairs, and then he wants out again.
09:19
<alkisg>
Haha you won't have problems when you start having kids then :D
09:19
You'll already be used to waking up in the middle of the night :D
09:20
<andygraybeal_>
Hyperbyte, alkisg :) uhg
09:27
i want to get a 'cat' door
09:28
<Hyperbyte>
Why don't you? :)
09:28
<andygraybeal_>
good question. scared of other critters coming in and need to do research..
09:29
<Hyperbyte>
Easy solution
09:29
Give your cat something sensor/magnet whatever around his neck, that 'unlocks' the cat door
09:30
<andygraybeal_>
hah i'm sure my cat would love something around her neck :)
09:30
<Hyperbyte>
Well, solved then.
09:30
That's actually how we got our cat.
09:31
Our cat adopted us...
09:31
Someone living few kilometers away had four or five cats, all with their own 'key' for the cat door, where they could get food.
09:31
<andygraybeal_>
i was using sarcasm :) we'd need to go the route of embeding a chip in her skin
09:32
<Hyperbyte>
At one point they went on vacation for a week or two, and had someone dump cat food behind the cat door, so they could eat at their own leisure...
09:32
<andygraybeal_>
nice
09:32
<Hyperbyte>
And our cat lost his key... so he couldn't get food. He started roaming, and we noticed he was quite, quite hungry... so we gave him food.
09:33
He stuck around since then. The original owners found him eventually, and asked for him back... we said "sure", they took him with them, and an hour later he was back with us again.
09:33
<andygraybeal_>
nice
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09:34
<Hyperbyte>
They took him back to their house another time or two, but he had made his choice. :P
09:36
<andygraybeal_>
imma lay down for 10 minutes
09:36
wait for the alarm
09:38
<junkY_San>
hey
09:38
is there a way to change the console keymap on the client?
09:39
<alkisg>
distro/version?
09:39
<junkY_San>
ubuntu 10.04.3
09:40
<alkisg>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
09:43
<junkY_San>
all settings were already correct
09:43
<alkisg>
Ah, maybe you're talking about the upstart bug
09:43
<junkY_San>
i'll give it a try anyway
09:43
<alkisg>
On the client where you have the problem, run: setupcon
09:43
See if the fonts are fixed for you
09:44
<junkY_San>
ah it's working
09:44
without setupcon
09:45
but this is strange, i thought i checked the config file which is adapted by the dpkg-reconfigure
09:45
thanks anyway :)
09:45
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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10:15
<junkY_San>
i'm trying to setup usb-stick-forwarding to a rdesktop session. i'm using the menu script and the menu command looks like this: "rdesktop -r disk:usbstick=/var/run/drives HOST"
10:16
logging in the rdp session i can see the drive with the subfolder "usbdisk-sdg1", but it's empty
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10:18
<junkY_San>
locally mounting /dev/sdg1 to /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sdg1 helps, but this is no real solution
10:23
it works flawlessly in the ldm session though
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10:34
<gypsymauro>
hi
10:35
I've installed ltsp on an ubuntu distro but when the client tries to boot via pxe it fails with an error "failed to connect do nbd server" any hint?
10:36
<khildin>
did you update your chroot image?
10:38
<gypsymauro>
yes
10:39
how can I test if the nbd is working?
10:39
<khildin>
netstat -tlnp
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10:40
<khildin>
default port should be 2000 I think
10:41
<gypsymauro>
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 988/inetd
10:41
it sems to work
10:41
<khildin>
yup
10:41
<alkisg_kubuntu>
which ubuntu version?
10:41
<gypsymauro>
10.10
10:42
<alkisg_kubuntu>
Do you get a busybox shell?
10:42
try: nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
10:42
On that <initramfs> shell
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10:43
<gypsymauro>
alkisg: yes i get the busybox
10:43
now I try that
10:44
it works
10:44
it says negotiation something ..
10:44
I can't paste :(
10:45
<alkisg>
Did it say a size? About e.g. 600mb?
10:45
The same as: ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img ?
10:46
<gypsymauro>
uh...I exported this [export] exportname = /opt/ltsp/i386 port = 2000
10:46
in the /etc/nbd-server/config file
10:46
it's wrong?
10:46
<alkisg>
Delete that file and kill nbd-server
10:46
Yes, in 10.10 nbd-server is started via inetd
10:47
sudo rm /etc/nbd-server/config
10:47
sudo killall nbd-server
10:47
sudo service openbsd-inetd restart
10:47
Then restart the client
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10:50
<gypsymauro>
still the same error
10:50
on the busybox the nbdclient seems to work
10:50
(no errors..)
10:50
<alkisg>
And the size is correct?
10:52
<gypsymauro>
it seems
10:52
<alkisg>
At the client again, try: cat /tmp/net*.conf and check the ROOTSERVER there
10:52
<gypsymauro>
yes
10:53
ROOTSERVER is wrong.. the server is on another ip
10:53
and ROOTPATH is empty
10:54
<alkisg>
ROOTPATH is ok to be empty
10:54
You have a dhcp problem
10:54
<junkY_San>
did you split dhcp and nbd server?
10:54
<gypsymauro>
I mean pxe and ltsp are on different server
10:54
yes
10:54
<alkisg>
You can either solve it, or work around it by putting nbdroot=ip in pxelinux.cfg/default
10:54
<khildin>
:)
10:54
<gypsymauro>
i done that..
10:54
<alkisg>
Better fix your dhcp server so that it points to next-server=ltsp-server
10:54
You won't have to transfer files for tftp then on every kernel update
10:54
<gypsymauro>
ro initrd=ltsp-ubuntu/initrd.img quiet splash nbdroot=192.168.64.25 nbdport=2000
10:55
<alkisg>
See what I wrote
10:55
nbdroot, not port
10:55
<gypsymauro>
yes I wrote nbdroot=192.168.64.25 too
10:55
<alkisg>
Ah I'm sorry
10:55
<gypsymauro>
I've to use just one option?
10:55
<alkisg>
These KDE fonts are too unreadable and small, sorry
10:55
<gypsymauro>
np
10:55
<alkisg>
nbdroot=ip:2000
10:56
and remove nbdport completely
10:56
But really, setting next-server would be better
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10:57
<gypsymauro>
good shot!
10:57
<alkisg>
Did it work now?
10:57
<gypsymauro>
yes
10:57
<junkY_San>
you can also edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf, that way it should generate your default config automatically
10:57
<alkisg>
File a bug against ltsp
10:57
It should work with nbdroot / nbdport separate too
10:57
!ltsp-bug
10:57
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp-bug" is not a valid command.
10:57
<gypsymauro>
tank you :)
10:58
maybe 10.10 uses an older version
10:58
<alkisg>
Nah, I don't think so
10:58
That part of the code probably is still broken
10:59
!learn ltsp-bug as To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
10:59
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
10:59
<alkisg>
!learn ubuntu-bug as To file a bug report for Ubuntu LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
10:59
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
11:00
<alkisg>
gypsymauro: use the first one for that
11:01
<junkY_San>
should the client OS automacially mount plugged in usb drives to /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sdXx?
11:02
<alkisg>
If you have localdevs enabled, yes
11:03
Search the logs, for Gadi as the username, and rdesktop as the keyword
11:03
He has mentioned the correct command line for rdesktop many times
11:03* alkisg doesn't use it so he hasn't noted it down
11:04
<junkY_San>
are there public logs? i don't have it enabled
11:04
<alkisg>
See the /topic for the link
11:08
<junkY_San>
alkisg, i read it. i think it's not a syntax problem here, but a problem that the usb drive is not even mounted locally
11:08
the folders under /var/run/drives/ are created, but not mounted
11:08
so if i point rdesktop there it will just find empty directorys, and that's exactly what i see in the windows session
11:08
<alkisg>
Can you mount the usb stick manually, locally on the client?
11:08
<junkY_San>
yes
11:09
<alkisg>
And, getltscfg -a, says that localdevs are enabled?
11:09
(or they are by default? I don't use them...)
11:09
<junkY_San>
afaik they are enabled by default
11:11
but i'll try to explicitly enable it
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11:11
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
11:11
<ltsp>
alkisg: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
11:11
<alkisg>
Default=True, so don't bother
11:12
But I think that something special is needed, as those only work from LDM/normal session
11:12
You didn't find what gadi proposed about this?
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11:23
<Hyperbyte>
It's funny how people think that because you know something about computers you're suddenly insanely knowledged about all technical matters
11:23
Someone just walked into my office saying the printer makes a funny noise, if I could take a look at it.
11:23
I told her I don't have a clue about it, that I can't help her.
11:23
"You're not even gonna look at it?" she asked me...
11:24
Heh
11:24
<alkisg>
Here in Greece, IT teachers are also experts on photocopying stuff
11:24
:(
11:24
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, I've noticed this. This effect comes specially from the family and relatives.
11:26
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, definitely. I once read a great line from someone somewhere (don't remember) which I frequently use.
11:27
"You know, most people don't ask me to do my boring office job work for them, during off-work hours, for free. In return, I don't ask them to paint my house, do my laundry and do my grocery shopping."
11:28
<andygraybeal_>
omg, now i'm headed to work :)
11:28
<muppis>
:D
11:28
<andygraybeal_>
stupid cat
11:29
<junkY_San>
alkisg, okay it really was no syntax problem. but i missed to install ltspfs in the chroot :/
11:30
<alkisg>
junkY_San: I don't think that's needed in chroots, only ltspfsd is
11:30
But if it works for you, whatever :D
11:30
<junkY_San>
alkisg, it's needed for automounting usb devices into /media/root/xxxx
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11:31
<junkY_San>
on the clientside
11:31
it's not needed for localdev and ldm sessions though, just for rdesktop as it seems
11:32
<alkisg>
Normally, for rdesktop, you shouldn't even need ltspfsd
11:32
<junkY_San>
Gadi explained this once, i found it in a the logs ;)
11:33
<alkisg>
You should be able to let the stick automount normally via udev, and share your whole /media dir
11:33
<junkY_San>
yes that would be possible too
11:33
but if ltspfs somehow does this for me, why shouldn't i use it
11:34
<alkisg>
To avoid the roundtrips, but well, it's a solution, if you got it to work
11:35
<junkY_San>
13:54 <Gadi> we thought it suitable to use ltspfs also to automount locally on the client for non-Linux sessions
11:35
<alkisg>
junkY_San: if you run `ps -ef | grep udisks`, do you see the udisks deamon running?
11:36
Maybe the LTSP RC_WHITELIST breaks that, and that's why it doesn't automount without ltspfsd
11:36
<junkY_San>
no
11:36
don't see udisks
11:36
<alkisg>
That's probably the problem then
11:36
<junkY_San>
i'm getting some lunch now, brb
11:37
<alkisg>
Well anyone, the way you did it now it'll also work if you use LDM alongside rdesktop, in a different screen
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11:37
<alkisg>
No harm done
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12:10
<junkY_San>
alkisg, doesn't work properly. as soon as i want to write on that usb drive within the rdesktop session it get's unavailable
12:11
<alkisg>
Gadi is your man. I'd do it without ltspfs :)
12:13
<junkY_San>
what do i need to try it without ltspfs? just udisks?
12:15
<alkisg>
Not sure, it would need some digging into
12:15
But normally usb sticks should be autodetected, no?
12:16
<junkY_San>
i think so yes
12:16
<alkisg>
Or at least to write a simple udev rule to mount them
12:16
<junkY_San>
but i'm afraid that the result would be the same, since all ltspfs and udev do is mount the stick somewhere. and rdesktop takes this path and forwards it to the windows host
12:23
<alkisg>
junkY_San: no
12:23
Try to mount it manually before exporting it with rdesktop
12:23
It'll be a local filesystem then, not an ltspfs one
12:24
ltspfs is a fuse filesystem, maybe rdesktop doesn't like that
12:25
<junkY_San>
same result as with the ltspfs one
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<junkY_San>
this must be a rdesktop bug
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<alkisg>
Try xfreerdp then
12:53
Search the logs for xfreerdp, you can find some notes there
12:53
<gypsymauro>
alkisg: I've not a launchpad user, doh.. why everytime I've to fill a bug for software I've to register somewhere? :) I hate this thing
12:54
<alkisg>
:)
12:54
Bugtrackers.. they should use openid :P
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12:59
<junkY_San>
any easy way to get xfreerdp in ubuntu 10.04.3?
13:04
<alkisg>
junkY_San: I have a ppa for it
13:05
<junkY_San>
would you give me the address?
13:05
<alkisg>
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr, but:
13:05
I also have updated ltsp version et
13:05
etc
13:06
They're used in about 250 greek schools so they're stable
13:06
Hmmm but you do need a newer ltsp that has the xfreerdp screen script
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<alkisg>
So better just trust the ppa and update from it, yeah
13:06
OK, do these in your chroot:
13:06
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
13:07
apt-get install python-software-properties
13:07
add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr
13:07
apt-get update
13:07
apt-get dist-upgrade
13:08
apt-get install freerdp-x11
13:08
exit; ltsp-update-image
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<alkisg>
And put SCREEN_07=xfreerdp <params> in your lts.conf
13:08
<junkY_San>
and you think this is absolutely safe?
13:09
<alkisg>
I do think so, because we're using it in all greek schools that use ltsp, but of course no guarantees
13:09
You'll just get a newer ltsp that has the xfreerdp screen script + some fixes
13:09
Otherwise, visit the above url and install all the xfreerdp dependencies manually
13:12
That ppa is very conservative; we have another one for -proposed updates, it shouldn't ever have broken stuff
13:12
<junkY_San>
i understand. there are no major changes in config files or something?
13:12
<alkisg>
No
13:12
We're not using the update LDM just for that reason, for no config file updates
13:13
<junkY_San>
hope it really fixes my bug ;)
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<alkisg>
Here's your man :)
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<junkY_San>
damn, the menu file got overwritten ;)
13:17
<alkisg>
What menu file?
13:17
<junkY_San>
usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/menu
13:17
<alkisg>
Ah, pxelinux.cfg?
13:18
You've manually modified it?
13:18
<junkY_San>
yes
13:18
<alkisg>
yeah then it would break on updates
13:18
<junkY_San>
i backuped the old chroot, so no problem
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<junkY_San>
alkisg, does the xfreerdp plugin take care of the -r disk parameter or do i have to manually rewrite them
13:22
<alkisg>
You need different parameters
13:23
search for the xfreerdp manpage for details
13:23
It's not exactly compatible with rdesktop, wrt command line parameters
13:25
<junkY_San>
thanks, i'll give it a try
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<junkY_San>
alkisg, how many clients are there working concurrently on one ldm server?
13:28
<pmatulis>
can i use a webcam on a thin client? do i need to run some software locally?
13:28
<junkY_San>
alkisg, sorry, in your projects of course ;)
13:29
<alkisg>
junkY_San: you mean how many clients for each ltsp server? Greek schools usually have 12 pc in each lab, plus a server.
13:32
<junkY_San>
have you ever noticed any kind of lagging?
13:33
<alkisg>
With LDM_DIRECTX and no flow control problems, no
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
junkY_San, I've seen people in here claiming to have over 50 clients on one LTSP server
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<junkY_San>
using "xfreerdp --plugin rdpdr --data disk:USB:/media/root -f -- HOSTNAME" it doesn't display USB on the windows session
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<alkisg>
Is there such a directory? Try with another folder to make sure that the xfreerdp part is working
13:46
<junkY_San>
the directory exists
13:46
<alkisg>
E.g. with /bin
13:46
<junkY_San>
i'm sure
13:47
<alkisg>
There's also an #freerdp channel here, in case your command line isn't appropriate
13:47
<junkY_San>
thanks
13:51
<pmatulis>
hi everybody, i'm having a problem with a thin client interacting with my dhcp server. it's the same problem as described by someone else:
13:51
http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=30818.0;prev_next=next
13:53
<alkisg>
distro/version?
13:53
<pmatulis>
'buntu 11.04
13:54
<alkisg>
Not the problem I had in mind then, nm
14:00
<junkY_San>
when i use ps to look at the xfreerdp command, i can see that the ":" in the command line got replaced by spaces
14:03
<alkisg>
Can you paste your exact related lts.conf lines? Replacing the server if you prefer...
14:05
<junkY_San>
http://pastebin.com/cswgB8QD
14:06
<alkisg>
Ah, it might be a problem with the menu script then
14:07
<junkY_San>
the xinit command seems right
14:07
<alkisg>
Can you try directly with an xfreerdp screen?
14:07
<junkY_San>
but the xfreerdp is def. wrong
14:07
looking at "ps aux | grep xfree"
14:08
okay
14:09
adding SCREEN_06 ="xfreerdp --plugin rdpdr --data disk:test:/media/root -- -u '' -f barney" to lts.conf
14:09
<alkisg>
Yup
14:10
You can probably put the other params in front of --plugin, to avoid the -- part
14:10
<junkY_San>
same thing. not :
14:10
<alkisg>
That -- part misleads xinit if not passed around quotes from the scripts
14:11
<junkY_San>
it's the way i found it on the freerdp page
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<junkY_San>
but i'll try it without the -- and put the arguments to the front
14:13
the command line is correct, but i only get a cursor, and no rdp connection ;/
14:14
SCREEN_06 ="xfreerdp -u '' -f --plugin rdpdr --data disk:test:/media/root barney"
14:14
<alkisg>
-- barney
14:17
It surely sounds like some script bug though
14:18
<junkY_San>
this is strange
14:18
the command line looks good now
14:18
<alkisg>
That's still without the menu script, right?
14:18
<junkY_San>
yes
14:18
vt6
14:18
<alkisg>
Do you see xinitrc running?
14:18
<junkY_San>
yes, it's working except no visible mapping..
14:19
fullscreen is also working
14:19
seems like --plugin doesn't work
14:20
<alkisg>
Ah, there's a separate package for them isn't there?
14:20
Did you install it?
14:20* alkisg forgot about it :D
14:20
<alkisg>
Hmmm no
14:21
<junkY_San>
i had that idea too, but didn't find anything
14:21
<alkisg>
libfreerdp-plugins-standard_0.8.2-2build1_i386.deb (63.7 KiB)
14:21
<junkY_San>
ah, yippieh
14:21
let's see
14:22
at least we can tell then if there's a bug in the menu script
14:22
<alkisg>
freerdp recommends them, but unfortunately ubuntu chroots have recommends: turned off
14:23
Recommends: libfreerdp-plugins-standard
14:24
<junkY_San>
great, it works
14:24
<alkisg>
Cool
14:24
<junkY_San>
also the menu works
14:24
so no bug
14:24
<alkisg>
It'd be strange for : to disappear
14:25
<junkY_San>
ps aux | grep .. still tells me they're missing
14:25
but who cares
14:26
on the other hand how can it work then
14:28
<alkisg>
So it was worth the trouble :)
14:29
<junkY_San>
yep :) thanks again
14:29
<alkisg>
You're welcome. Btw now reboot and shutdown also works from the ldm menu ;)
14:29
Ah no you didn't put the ppa in the server, only in the chroot
14:29
Ignore that
14:30
*from the gnome-session menu, I meant, but anyway
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14:46
<Hyperbyte>
nogagplz, that's what she said.
14:46
...
14:46
Sorry, that one's too easy. :/ I just couldn't resist.
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<nogagplz>
she's not into jokes then I guess? gag here is joke ._.
14:52
<Hyperbyte>
nogagplz, no worries. :P
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<junkY_San>
alkisg, have you ever used a custom kernel with ltsp?
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<alkisg>
Nope
15:23
<junkY_San>
i have a problem with a older hardware not booting ltsp. it hangs during the initramfs
15:24
<alkisg>
Message?
15:24
<junkY_San>
i get an error every 60second that the cpu hangs
15:24
i think it's graphic related since it doesn't switch the resolution
15:25
"BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!"
15:25
i can see that the NIC got an ip and nbd mounted
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<alkisg>
Put SCREEN_02=shell, and remove quiet splash
15:27
If it still hangs, it's not graphics related
15:27
<junkY_San>
it doesn't come that far
15:27
<alkisg>
Also try putting nomodeset
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<alkisg>
That disables KMS
15:27
<junkY_San>
ah ok, where do i have to put that?
15:27
<alkisg>
In pxelinux.cfg/default, in the kernel parameters
15:27
<junkY_San>
ok so i could also append it manually one time
15:28
<alkisg>
Yup
15:28
Manually? You have a pxe menu?
15:28
<junkY_San>
bingo
15:28
it works now
15:28
<alkisg>
Cool. Which graphics card was that?
15:28
<junkY_San>
alkisg, yes, i have added an option to boot local hd
15:28
<alkisg>
lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
15:29
It's not common, so /me would like to note down the model
15:29
<junkY_San>
of course
15:29
wait a minute
15:29
<alkisg>
You can then create a pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address file so that only this client gets that option, if you prefer other clients to use KMS
15:31
<junkY_San>
Radeon 9200 Pro
15:31
<alkisg>
Is it possible to paste the whole line, along with the pci id?
15:31
Some times even different revisions have different behavior
15:31
<junkY_San>
yes ok, will be a bit more complicated ;)
15:32
<alkisg>
Oh, nm then, just the pci id
15:33
<junkY_San>
1002:5960
15:33
<alkisg>
Thanks :)
15:34
<junkY_San>
i'm not too familar with ubuntu. is there hardware-detection during initramfs ?
15:34
<alkisg>
Most linux distros use udev to detect hardware, yes
15:35
<junkY_San>
because i had to manually add the module 'atl1c' for one NIC
15:35
may be i should try radeonfb manual loading
15:37
<alkisg>
!adding-modules
15:37
<ltsp>
alkisg: adding-modules: If your clients won't boot with messages like 'eth0: link not ready', maybe you're missing an initramfs-module: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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<alkisg>
junkY_San: see the above link for an explanation about atl1c
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<junkY_San>
when i use this the newer hardware also panics at boot
15:43
ah yes, because atl1c is not loaded
15:44
so nbd cannot be mounted
15:44
the script simply doesn't work for me
15:44
<alkisg>
Did you run ltsp-update-kernels?
15:45
<junkY_San>
yep
15:45
<alkisg>
Did you remove the extra space at the start of the shebang line of the script?
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15:45
<junkY_San>
nope ;/
15:45
<alkisg>
junkY_San: read the page better :P :D
15:46* alkisg wishes the ubuntu wiki wouldn't require having to change the shebang line :D
15:46
<junkY_San>
ah :/ sorry
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<junkY_San>
that GPU is really crap
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<junkY_San>
i think i'll just nomodeset for all clients since KMS is not really a benefit
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all. having trouble getting sound working in 11.04 on clients
18:39
this is from a default installation
18:39
and it's running on the server
18:39
has anybody had any experience with this?
18:39
I don't remember having sound issues last time I tested this out
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<Hyperbyte>
_UsUrPeR_, you're gonna have to be a bit more detailed. =)
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20:36
<alkisg>
Previously the description of sch-scripts (an italc-like utility) was "A classroom administration tool". Now that it won't be only focused on classrooms anymore, what's an appropriate description?
20:36
Panoptes: a computer lab administration and monitoring tool?
20:39
<Gadi>
does it only work with ltsp clients?
20:39
<alkisg>
No
20:39
It autodetects ltsp clients, but works on standalone installations too
20:39
<Gadi>
why not simply: a remote computer administration and monitoring tool
20:40
or some such
20:40
<alkisg>
Remote gives me the feeling of a single computer far away
20:40
While it's mostly for local LAN, and multiple clients
20:41
<Gadi>
ah
20:41
then go with your original
20:41
but, you should call it CLAM
20:41
:)
20:42
<alkisg>
E.g. it has screen broadcasting, sharing, monitoring and locking, executing commands on the clients, sending messages, and lots more
20:42
<Gadi>
and write an Oreilly book
20:42
<alkisg>
CLAM? Classroom Administration Tool? :D
20:42
<Gadi>
Computer Lab Admin and Monitoring
20:42
<alkisg>
That would be `cat` :P
20:42
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, Clam! The fish
20:43
Or fish thingy... lives in oyster.
20:43
Perfect.
20:43
<alkisg>
Gadi, where were you when we were looking for a name? :D
20:43
<Hyperbyte>
Just forget about the abbreviation alltogether. The future is Clam.
20:43
<Gadi>
hehe
20:43
<Hyperbyte>
Clam, for 'client administration', right?
20:43
<Gadi>
CLAM: Computer Lab Admin and Monitoring
20:44
<Hyperbyte>
See, how versatile Clam is!
20:44
<alkisg>
Unfortunately we'll have a hard time making a good rank in google for clam :D
20:44
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, yeah, and it has a weird smell too. :P
20:44
<alkisg>
Haha
20:44
panoptes == all-seeing, let's leave it at that
20:45
<Hyperbyte>
Panoptes!
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20:45
<Hyperbyte>
That...
20:45
....
20:45* Hyperbyte coughs
20:45
<Hyperbyte>
Movie time!
20:45* Hyperbyte trails off
20:46
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: what? it sucks too much? :D
20:46
<Hyperbyte>
To be honest
20:46
It sounds a bit like... I don't know
20:46
Something you find the deepest trenches of the ocean
20:46
<alkisg>
We had worse ideas too... you don't want to hear them
20:46
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes
20:46
<Hyperbyte>
"Ah, this is where the great beast Panoptes rules the water."
20:46
I dunno
20:47
Well duh
20:47
Why not name it Argus?
20:47
<alkisg>
It's already taken
20:47
<Hyperbyte>
:(
20:47
<alkisg>
$ argus
20:47
The program 'argus' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
20:47
sudo apt-get install argus-server
20:47
<Hyperbyte>
:(
20:47
apt-get forget argus-server?
20:48
<alkisg>
Hehe
20:48
<Hyperbyte>
Seriously though
20:48
Panoptes is horrible.
20:48
Sorry
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<alkisg>
Meh, I don't like it very much either, but I'm not willing to burn more brain cells about a name :)
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<Gadi>
well, /me votes for clam
21:02
then, you can open a "clam shell" on every computer
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:)
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when you complete a process on all machines, you can be "clam baked"
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<alkisg>
There's also clam antivirus though
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<Gadi>
so, call yours: clam-clam
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now, its fun to say!
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:)
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and twice as good
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ciao ciao
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<alkisg>
ty ty :)
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