IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 August 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<warren>
brb, quick shower.
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09:32
<warren>
back
09:33
who is here for the K12Linux meeting?
09:33
<petre>
here
09:33
I'm about 75% done on the html README, btw
09:33
hope to finish today
09:34
nothing fancy, but many screenshots
09:35
<warren>
are you going to upload it to a static URL somewhere so others can comment on it?
09:37
<petre>
Yes, I'll stick it on my server and post a link to it to the mailing list
09:37
<warren>
great
09:38
OK, so on my end, no progress on the branding issue. I'm going to give him a call again tomorrow to see if we can do anything.
09:38
<petre>
it's not much, but I think it will help; *I* like how-to's with lotsa pix
09:38
Is he just not responding?
09:38
<warren>
he responded once or twice recently with "what time would you like to talk?"
09:38
but not after that
09:39
I'll call him tomorrow
09:39
<petre>
if that doesn't work, do you have any ideas for other names?
09:39
<warren>
Fedora LTSP5
09:39
or just K12LTSP
09:39
<petre>
ooh, catchy!
09:39
not that I have anything better to offer
09:40
<warren>
Aside from this, I'm soon at 5 releases since the last push to Fedora updates.
09:40
Fedora infrastructure being down slowed things a lot
09:40
I need to finish up this latest release of ltsp and ldm
09:40
a few more tiny bug fixes
09:41
<petre>
do you use any sort of VM for client testing?
09:41
<warren>
petre: I may spin a pre-beta2 image for you to test with the new README
09:41
<petre>
ok
09:41
<warren>
petre: my laptop has hardware virt so I use the included ltsp-vmclient which works out of the box
09:42
<petre>
oh, right, I fired that up a while ago
09:42
<warren>
ltsp-vmclient works without hardware virt but it is really slow
09:42
<petre>
quite a while ago, actually
09:42
that's okay, I mostly just want to get a screenshot of the login screen
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so speed doesn't matter
09:43
<warren>
in other news
09:43
http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27915.html
09:43
petre: well, the login screen will change with rebranding
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if we secure the k12linux name
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or if we use a different name
09:43
<petre>
good point
09:43
<warren>
http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27915.html I'm searching for vendors and model options of Intel Atom-based thin clients.
09:44
I have nothing else to report for this meeting. I want to get back to work to get ltsp-5.1.20 released.
09:44
any questions?
09:45
petre: btw, what is your full name?
09:45
petre: I want to add you to credits
09:49
<petre>
sorry, I stepped away to fix my wife's laptop
09:50
warren: Peter Scheie
09:50
tx
09:51
when do you expect to have the pre-beta2 ready?
09:52
<warren>
a few days from now
09:52
maybe even tomorrow
09:52
we'll see
09:54
<petre>
why do you want 2GB RAM in the Atom TCs?
09:54
local app video?
09:54
2GB seems like a lot for a TC
09:55
although RAM is pretty cheap any more I suppose
09:55
<warren>
petre: local apps
09:55
petre: Atom is cheap enough that buying it with 2GB, you might as well
09:55
petre: it will last a LONG TIME with that kind of power
09:56
<petre>
I've run servers with less RAM
09:56
but you are correct, it would lengthen the life of the tc
09:56
<warren>
petre: sure, but this is the future we're talking about.
09:56
these are not TC's of the past
09:56
these are TC's that could run entirely their own software
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with 3D graphis
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google earth
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<petre>
I've read several stories over the years about TC installations in which the author says it's easier to get people to spend money for glitz than to save money by going low-end
09:58
I don't get it, but I know I'm a bit more of a cheapskate than most
09:59
<warren>
petre: you could get Intel Atom with 2GB RAM, full system for about $200 each now.
09:59
<petre>
so, small, fanless 2GB clients for $200 may be easier to sell to people than $100 ebox-2300
10:00
have you seen the ebox 4300 in action?
10:00
more ram, faster chip
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~$230 I think, not sure how it compares to Atom
10:01
<warren>
I want to see specs
10:02
petre: one customer that i'm working with now is definitely aiming to be futured proofed
10:02
future
10:02
<petre>
looking at your blog post, why the interest in SD slots?
10:03
pics from cameras?
10:03
<warren>
petre: just extra convenience for users
10:03
petre: I mean those two other boxes have them
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<warren>
I intend on tagging both ltsp and ldm today.
10:38
<petre>
pardon my ignorance, but what does tagging mean?
10:40
<warren>
petre: new version numbers are tagged in bzr
10:40
<petre>
ok
10:40
<warren>
petre: several releases ago was ltsp-5.1.19
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err
10:40
several revisions ago
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petre: the last version to be pushed to fedora updates was ltsp-5.1.15
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<petre>
ah, the gap caused by fedora's server problems
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<warren>
well
10:42
I also didn't push anything since then
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<petre>
that was you just be proactive ;-)
10:43
being
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<warren>
tagging ldm now
11:13
ltsp a bit later
11:26
petre: OK, I might be able to spin a a pre-beta2 tomorrow if you can get me the HTML content
11:27
petre: so please upload it for review and let the list know ASAP
11:33
<petre>
I hope to be finished within the next hour.
11:34
better make that two hours
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<warren>
k cool
11:34
I'll be back in a few hours.
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<warren>
no trimming, F9 client chroot squashfs image is 172MB
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<petre>
that's pretty good, isn't it?
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<warren>
I suppose
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I could make NBD root the default on the live image
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but then modifying it will be hard
12:36
<petre>
warren, http://petre.homedns.org/README-LIVE-LTSP-SERVER-SETUP/README-LIVE-LTSP-SERVER-SETUP.html
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brb
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14:05
<pleed>
Hi, can someone please tell me where the pxe bootet ltsp-thin-client knows the ip address of the ltsp server for nfs/ssh ?
14:05
and all other information needed like the mount pah
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path
14:08
<johnny>
the dhcp server can provide the root path
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<pleed>
johnny: is the dhcp server asked by the ltsp image itself again or does the pxe code provide the ip address
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<johnny>
i think it asks again
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i don't think the pxe code can pass info down
14:14
<pleed>
okay so in theory if i create a livecd which used kexec to boot the thin-client image i neednt attach any information
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<johnny>
why bother?
14:14
i don't get what you're trying to accomplish
14:15
<pleed>
Using old laptops as thin clients which dont have pxe but have pcmcia network cards
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<johnny>
what are the specs of those??
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<pleed>
these are some 3com megahertz 574bf
14:16
<johnny>
no.. the laptops
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<vagrantc>
pxelinux can pass information recieved from the boot server, but it's not advised to use it (for some unexplained reason).
14:16
<pleed>
about 120 mhz, 40 mb ram
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<johnny>
ouch
14:17
<pleed>
johnny: yes but it should work
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just have to get those cards working
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<stgraber>
pleed: did you try gpxe ? they provide a cd-rom containing the boot images for most network cards
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<pleed>
stgraber: yes but not for pcmcia cards
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i think i ll build a livecd that will load the ltsp and kexec it
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<_thomas__[xi]>
hi, someone could tell me if there is a bootsplash project or something like to ltsp 5?
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<warren>
pushed a heavily tested cleanup routine to ltsp-update-kernels
21:13
i'm tagging again soon
21:17
johnny: I thought of a simple (although hackish) way to get your distro to be cleaned up by this script without a lot of hassle.
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johnny: for each kernel, touch vmlinuz-$name as just a blank filename, then genkernel-$arch-$name can be a pattern that is cleaned up.
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johnny: perhaps this is too ugly though.
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hmm
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this wont clean up older kernels I guess
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nevermind
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<warren>
tagging ltsp
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<johnny>
warren, i'm not really concerned atm, I'll look into that when my stuff is actually in the trunk
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<warren>
johnny: ok
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johnny: yeah, everyone else lived without cleanup for years now
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<johnny>
i'm just waiting for the review...
22:12
still need to get our initramfs generator maintainers to allow a newer busybox
22:12
need to find out why they are holding a patch for mdadm
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i see mdadm stuff in buildroot scripts of busybox, not sure what it is doing there
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buildroot scripts of upstream that is..
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this is an area i don't know much about