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Channel log from 23 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<erdinc>
good morning aLL
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<erdinc>
hi ogra
02:56
<ogra>
hi
02:56
<erdinc>
how are u
02:57
<ogra>
fine ... very busy, i'm in oslo at our development sprint ...
02:58
<erdinc>
I see :)
02:58
all ubuntu devels joining it?
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<wradyn>
Has anyone had success installing LTSP on SuSE 10.1?
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<ogra>
erdinc, all employed ones, yes
03:23
<erdinc>
as I know ubuntu has 60+ devel ?
03:23
<wradyn>
Has anyone got LTSP working on SuSE 10.2
03:24
<ogra>
only 16 of them are employees of canonical
03:24
wradyn, SuSE should support the old LTSP 4.2
03:25
<wradyn>
I have tried to install that but there is loads of errors
03:25
<ogra>
i'm not sure where the ltsp5 port stands as no SuSE dev seem to want to implement it yet
03:27
<erdinc>
as know not implemented yet
03:27
<wradyn>
I have noticed that. Anyway, I'll keep looking around . Cheers..
03:29
Thanks guys.
03:29
<ogra>
i know some people are running 4.2 on SuSE ... so it should be possible to use it there ...
03:31
<erdinc>
I'll finish 4.2 implementation on pardus soon if you think :)
03:31
<ogra>
rather the 5.0 one :)
03:31
<wradyn>
It's okay for now. I will install it on a Debian system for now and see how it goes.
03:32
<erdinc>
yes 5.0 will be ready too after 4.2 :)
03:33
<ogra>
erdinc, 4.2 is obsolete and wont be developed anymore (apart from bug/security fixes) do you really think it's worth putting time inot it ? (its way more work to implement it that to just start with 5.0)
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<erdinc>
but at least we should have a prototype for show
03:35
I got your point but when someone come there should be something working :)
03:38
<ogra>
right ... but implementing 4.2 means you need to rebuild you whole system as a mini linux for the clients ... 5.0 means only using your existing packages ...
03:38
4.2 is about 10x as much work ...
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
good mornin'
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<mhterres>
morning guys
05:13
hi jammcq
05:13
jammcq, are you here ?
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<SiCk>
hi everyone/anyone i was just wondering if someone could give me a bit of advice, either where i'm going wrong or whatever... I've installed Edubuntu and everything seems to be configured OK, the Thin Client starts to boot, then gets to Compressing Linux... OK Booting the kernel, - Config: eth0 Hardware address xx:xx:xx mtu 1500 DHCP RARP and doesnt do anything after.. though does respond to keypresses... any ideas?
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06:01
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: the boot is by PXE or ethx?
06:01
SiCk: by floppy
06:01
<ogra>
SiCk, how do you boot the client ?
06:01
<SiCk>
pxe
06:01
sorry
06:01
<ogra>
hehm kaminski-ltsp-br beats me :)
06:01
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ogra: ;)
06:02
<cliebow>
??
06:02
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
i think it can be the wrong boot image for the network card]
06:02
<ogra>
SiCk, if you scroll up, do you see any errors ? (you shouldnt see any messages, usually usplash hides them, so that indicates an error)
06:03
do you see usplash at all (a picture with progressing bar ? )
06:03
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ogra: have the ltsp 5 bootsplash?
06:04
<ogra>
kaminski-ltsp-br, edubuntu has it, yes ... ubuntu as well if you install the usplash theme package in the client chroot
06:04
dunno if the debian implementation uses it though
06:04
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ogra: ok ;)
06:04
<SiCk>
ogra: yeah it starts showing the usplash, never progrresses though
06:05
i dont see any errors, the only things i see look pretty normal
06:05
<ogra>
and then usplash goes away and you see white text on black ?
06:05
<SiCk>
yep
06:05
<ogra>
i.e. no ldm login ?
06:05
<SiCk>
no, nothing
06:05
it is responding to keypresses though
06:05
<ogra>
sounds suspicious like a nfs timeout or something ...
06:05
do you end up at a prompt ?
06:06
<SiCk>
no, no prompt
06:06
<ogra>
weird
06:06
<SiCk>
i'm using a HP t5000 as a thin client if that's any help?
06:07
<ogra>
i have to go for 1h now ... sorry ... be back in ~60min ....
06:07
<SiCk>
no probs... look forward to hearing from you later.. haha
06:07
i'm at my wits end
06:07
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: if you were usin' debian, maybe i could help ;)
06:08
i don't know the edubuntu boot
06:08
<ogra>
kaminski-ltsp-br, debian uses the ubuntu ltsp .... its the same apart from local device support ...
06:08* ogra is now really gone
06:08
<SiCk>
dont say that, i've been through 2 flavours of ubuntu already
06:08
haha
06:08
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ogra: right....
06:08
SiCk: what's the last message you can see?
06:09
at the boot
06:09
<ogra>
SiCk, remove quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ... then you'll see more info
06:09* ogra is now really *rally* gone
06:09
<ogra>
*really even
06:09
<SiCk>
haha
06:09
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
really really really
06:10
<SiCk>
the last i see is IP-Config: eth0 hardware address xx:xx:xx mtu 1500 DCHP RARP
06:11
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: the PXE image is the correct to the thin client network card?
06:13
<SiCk>
erm, i'm not totally sure, but it has to be if its getting this far right?
06:13
<cliebow>
pxe needs a speific image?
06:13
<mhterres>
hey guys, I have new information in my gdm problem
06:13
anybody wants to help me ?
06:13
<cliebow>
marlon right?
06:13
give jammcq a chance to get a full head of steam 8~)
06:14
<mhterres>
marlon ?
06:14
<cliebow>
a pxe card should "just work" (except for two of mine giving me grief)
06:15
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: right... aminute
06:15
<cliebow>
didnt jammcq refer to you as marlon..or am i screwing up again
06:16
<SiCk>
haha okay
06:16
sorry for making things difficult
06:16
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: no prob
06:17
<mhterres>
cliebow, marlon if mfdutra
06:17
hehehe
06:17
cliebow, I work with Marlon
06:17
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
cliebow: right... the pxe "just work"... with the 'default' file on the pxelinux.cfg directory
06:18
<cliebow>
except foor my two
06:18
9~)
06:18
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: doesn't teh google help you?
06:19
<cliebow>
SiCk:have you used ethereal to look the traffic over?
06:19
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
cliebow: do you think the traffic may be the prob?
06:19
<SiCk>
not one bit :(
06:20
google helped me as much as it could, got me at least booting off of pxe...
06:20
<cliebow>
you can examine the packets to see what has happening
06:21
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
right ;)
06:21
<SiCk>
hmm good idea
06:22
gimme a min :)
06:22
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
wireshark
06:22
<cliebow>
i must say im not sure just what Is happening since i jumped in midstream..booking for school now so ill look in later
06:22
<SiCk>
is there an apt-get for ethereal
06:22
?
06:22
<mhterres>
should be
06:22
looks for wireshark
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06:27
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: have your server another station on boot?
06:27
a 'workin' boot'
06:27
<SiCk>
i i can only find windows distros :(
06:27
god im slow today
06:27
what kaminski-ltsp-br ?
06:27
i dont understand
06:28
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: sorry for my english... lol
06:28
SiCk: another station with that the boot is OK
06:29
<SiCk>
havetn actually tried another thin-cleint, if thats what you mean?
06:30
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: try another... the prob can be with the thin client model.... it's only a test
06:31
<SiCk>
i cant type well at the moment either, i'm not seeing what im typing, bloody VNC to a home pc
06:32
i'll try another in a minute, need to run around and grab one
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<SiCk>
kaminski-ltsp-br: you there?
06:43
I get to Loading vmlinuz.... , Loading initrd.img..... then Ready.
06:43
and thats all
06:43
with the new client
06:44
before all that theres
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trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/MAC
06:44
a few of those until it hits trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default
06:45
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: hi
06:45
<SiCk>
hey
06:46
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hm
06:47
<SiCk>
just hit return a few times, its actually sitting at that message again
06:47
the IP-Config one
06:47
its just doing nothing when its ' booting the kernel. '
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
SiCk: Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel.
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
and nothing?
06:49
<SiCk>
yep
06:50
then IP-Config under it
06:50
i do get the usplash for a couple of seconds before it hits this
06:50
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
weird
06:50
<SiCk>
very
06:50
i'd say more annoying than weird
06:52
we have loads of these sitting doing nothing.. its infuriating
06:53
the only thing it needs to do is boot and display a webpage in kiosk mode, any ideas?
06:56
<ogra>
SiCk, do you have a dhcp server running apart from the one thats on the edubuntu server ?
06:57
<SiCk>
yeah, but at the moment we have the server connected to the thin client directly to test
06:57
welcome back :)
06:57
<ogra>
thanks :)
06:57
so you are sure there is no way another dhcp server could confuse the botin ?
06:58
<SiCk>
no way at all
06:58
<ogra>
*booting
06:58
hmm
06:58
<SiCk>
we were having that problem with the pxe, as we have a RIS server running, but we made these 2 talk to each other instead
06:58
<ogra>
physically ?
06:58
<SiCk>
yep
06:58
<ogra>
i.e. with a crossover cable or something like that
06:58
<SiCk>
indeed
06:59
<ogra>
ok
06:59
did the edubuntu install work properly ? no errors or something `
06:59
?
07:00
<SiCk>
nope, no trouble
07:00
<ogra>
(and which release are you actually using ? )
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<SiCk>
the only thing i can think of is the image that the pxe is using is corrupted or wrong?
07:01
the latest edubuntu, downloaded last week
07:01
but im not sure how to go about changing the image.. or where it's located :S
07:01
<ogra>
the release or the development version ?
07:01
<SiCk>
i'm new to the whole ltsp scene
07:01
the release
07:04
<ogra>
ok ... that should e edgy (6.10) then ...
07:04
s/e/be/
07:05
<SiCk>
the only thing that's weird about these wee clients is that they're runing an odd processor
07:05
and yeah, edgy 6.10
07:05
<ogra>
the image you get via tftp is located in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 for i386 systems ...
07:05
it's copied from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot
07:06
<SiCk>
is there an image that's suitable for the client i have?
07:06
the hp t5000 ?
07:06
its only a little 400mhz thin client
07:06
128meg ram
07:07
<mhterres>
hey, I will change my question
07:07
anybody here is using LTSP with KDM ?
07:07
and using the server as a workstation ?
07:07
<ogra>
SiCk, the image installed should be suitable for all clients
07:07
<SiCk>
yeah.. thought so
07:08
<ogra>
its compatible down to 486 systems ...
07:10
<SiCk>
this thing is driving me insane :(
07:10
just want it to work *cry*
07:10* SiCk breaks down
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<SiCk>
though this client does have linux built in
07:16
witha connection manager
07:16
with XDM, RDesktop and citrix
07:17
<mhterres>
SiCk, what is the problem ?
07:17
SiCk, If you use PXE what is happening ?
07:18
<SiCk>
uncompressing linux... OK
07:18
then nothing
07:19
<mhterres>
and in the server, where it stops ?
07:19
can you see it in syslog ?
07:19
is it getting the IP via DHCP ?
07:19
<SiCk>
yeah
07:19
does it log on the server too?
07:19
<mhterres>
is it getting the image in tftp ?
07:20
<SiCk>
when it pxe's in?
07:20
its getting the image yeah
07:20
i get the usplash etc
07:20
<mhterres>
it is logged in syslog in the ltsp server
07:20
you can show us the last lines in syslog
07:20
<SiCk>
1 sec ill have a look
07:22
every few seconds its doing a DHCP OFFER
07:22
<ogra>
SiCk, it logs on the server, but only after boot
07:23
(beyond the locally running DHCP indeed :))
07:23
<SiCk>
and the disover
07:23
discover*
07:23
<ogra>
right
07:23
but we already know that you have an IP ... and recieved the kernel and initramfs via ftfp
07:23
*tftp
07:24
<SiCk>
indeed
07:24
its offering 10.5.19.100
07:24
which is last in the range i gave it
07:24
<ogra>
so either the problem is in the initramfs or the nfs mount is failing
07:24
<SiCk>
i gave it 10.5.19.1 - 100
07:24
<ogra>
for the latter you should see an error anywhere in the backlog on the screen
07:25
did you switch off splash and quiet ?
07:25
you should see a lot more then ...
07:25
<SiCk>
no, how do i do that again? sorry
07:27
<ogra>
<ogra> SiCk, remove quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ... then you'll see more info
07:27* ogra pats copy'n paste
07:27
<SiCk>
haha
07:27
1 sec
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<SiCk>
here goes nuffin
07:28
<ogra>
like ?
07:28
you cant edit the file ? it doesnt boot ? your server died ?
07:29
sky is falling ?
07:29
<SiCk>
oh, sorry, naw its just a bad saying
07:29
ummmm, everything is normal
07:29
by the looks of it
07:29
its finished at [17179578.340000] drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
07:30
no errors that i saw
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<SiCk>
last thing it loaded was the mouse... im checking it without
07:32
without i get:
07:32
[17179577.704000] eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0xC5E1
07:34
<ogra>
weird
07:34
there must be *something* somewhere
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<SiCk>
its still doing its famous DHCP Discover and Offer
07:37
back in an hour or so
07:37
thanks so far guys!
07:38
<mhterres>
bye
07:38
ogra, do you know about some problem with KDM and LTSP ?
07:39
<ogra>
mhterres, i'm here all the time and see you asking since three days :) i'D have answered already if i had an idea ;)
07:39
<mhterres>
hehehehe, sorry
07:39
:-(
07:40
<erdinc>
what kind problem
07:40
<ogra>
in ubuntu we dont use XDMCP at all, so my knowledge of that is rather sparse
07:41
<erdinc>
in pardus we use it :)
07:41
<mhterres>
erdinc, if I logoff in a client, the screen in server goes blank and I need to press CTRL+ALT+F7 to return to X
07:41
it is very annoying
07:41
<ogra>
mhterres, which distro ?
07:41
<erdinc>
which kde ?
07:41
3.5.5?
07:42
<mhterres>
Ubuntu, but I`m using the ltsp 4.2, cause if we use 5, the keyboard does not work in X in client
07:42
3.5.2
07:42
<ogra>
mhterres, oh ?
07:42
<mhterres>
dapper
07:42
<ogra>
did you report that ?
07:42
<mhterres>
no, I discover it yesterday
07:43
I read about something similar in debian implementation, and they have a solution, but I did not try it
07:43
<ogra>
please report it, so i can dig into it ... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
07:43
(if you pick ltsp as the packagename it will automatically get into my queue)
07:43
<mhterres>
erdinc, and if I use gdm, if I logoff in a thin client, the gdm parent is killed, and the first gdm client becames the parent, so nobody else can login
07:44
very odd
07:44
<erdinc>
interesting
07:45
<ogra>
mhterres, 4.2 will be obsolete very soon, focusing to get 5 working for you would probably be cleverer
07:45
if there is a fix anywhere already, i'll immediately add it to the dev version ...
07:45
<mhterres>
I think so, but this keyboard problem is worst than the kdm problem
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<mhterres>
bug reported
07:47
<ogra>
doesnt it work at all ?
07:48
ah, great
07:48
ten i'll handle it via LP
07:48
<mhterres>
sometimes numeric characters work
07:48
and the console acts strange
07:48
I can't login
07:48
very strange
07:49
erdinc, do you have a similar scenario that is working
07:49
?
07:49
<ogra>
usb/ps2/AT ? which kind of plug ?
07:49
<erdinc>
no I didnt
07:49
I tried usb and ps2
07:49
also kdm
07:49
<mhterres>
ps2
07:49
usb don't work too
07:50
<ogra>
sounds like a kernel prob with the input stack ...
07:50
or xorg ...
07:50
<mhterres>
erdinc, the most interesting part of this is that it is working here in another network with edgy
07:50
<erdinc>
usb very interesting
07:50
<mhterres>
ogra: xorg
07:51
<ogra>
mhterres, do you have an lts.conf ?
07:51
<mhterres>
ogra: but the console is having a strange behaviour too
07:51
yep
07:51
a simple one
07:51
<ogra>
could yu try without it ?
07:51
*you
07:51
<mhterres>
in ltsp 5 ?
07:51
<ogra>
yep
07:51
<mhterres>
hmmm, I'll have to install it again
07:51
<ogra>
ltsp5 doesnt need an lts.conf file
07:51
oh ok ...
07:51
<mhterres>
Hmmm, so how can I set the specific things for clients ?
07:52
<ogra>
the lts.conf in ltsp is only used to override autodetected values
07:52
s/ltsp/ltsp5/
07:52
<mhterres>
but in case of a local paralel printer, how can I set it ?
07:52
<ogra>
well, you use an lts.conf :) but by default it should autodetect everything ...
07:52
<mhterres>
I have this case in this client
07:52
<ogra>
(apart from keymap etc indeed)
07:52
<mhterres>
Hmmm, ok
07:52
I'll reinstall the ltsp5
07:53
one moment, I'll make a backup of my ltsp 4.2 :-)
07:53
<erdinc>
:)
07:53
<mhterres>
ogra, ltsp 4.2 boot is much more faster
07:54
<ogra>
right ... thats one drawback of ltsp5, we use default initramfs and services ... 4.2 has a lot of modified stuff
07:54
<mhterres>
I know
07:54
<ogra>
its a tradeoff to be able to use all the distros default packages
07:55
in ubuntu upstart will solve that completely in the future
07:55
mmm, sexy ....
07:55
http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/testtcm.png
07:56
<mhterres>
ogra, I was waiting more from upstart
07:56
<ogra>
there is no upstart yet ...
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<ogra>
all that is there is only a replacement for init
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<ogra>
the services all need to be switched before you really can see any benefit
07:56
<sep>
ogra, is that a combined user and lts.conf admin tool ?
07:57
<mhterres>
ogra, Edgy is using upstart
07:57
<ogra>
sep, its for managing current connections
07:57
<mhterres>
ogra, I understand now
07:57
<ogra>
but limited to ldm logins atm
07:57
<sep>
just wondering on the group thing.
07:58
<erdinc>
ogra in ubuntu vlc has a static link to ffmpeg?
07:58
<ogra>
erdinc, not that i know of
07:58
<erdinc>
Im dealing with vlc now :)
07:58
anyway
07:58
<ogra>
sep, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelSpec it's defined in the spec
07:59
teachers wanted to be able to group the userlist
07:59
erdinc, err, sorry, i misread that as vnc
07:59
erdinc, for questions about vlc, ping crimsun in #ubuntu-devel, he maintains it
08:00
<erdinc>
thanx :)
08:01
<mhterres>
I'm installing it
08:09
<vanya>
hello! any quick (or not so quick :) ) howto on nas on ltsp 4.2 ?
08:14
<mhterres>
ogra, installed
08:14
I'm starting the client
08:25
without lts.conf the client goes direct to console
08:25
no X
08:25
now, no keyboard :-(
08:25
lunch time
08:25
see you
08:26
if you can take a look in that, I appreciate
08:26
<ogra>
mhterres, do yu use edgy ?
08:26
or dapper ?
08:26
<mhterres>
dapper
08:26
<ogra>
dapper had a bug that made you switch consoles manually on slow net connections
08:26
try ctrl-alt-f7
08:26
there should be an X screen
08:26
i can tell you the fix for that ...
08:27
<mhterres>
the X miss ?
08:27
without lts.conf ?
08:27
<ogra>
you cant log in on console on a thin client, there are no user accounts and root is locked for security reasons
08:27
look if there is a login manager on console 7 now ...
08:27
without lts.conf, yes
08:29
<mhterres>
fix for this ?
08:29
yep
08:29
I saw
08:29
let me delete the lts.conf
08:29
great
08:29
with CTRL+ALT+F7 works
08:29
how can I fix this ?
08:29
yes
08:29
great
08:30
how can I fix the CTRL+ALT+F7 bug ?
08:30
<ogra>
one second
08:30
<mhterres>
ok
08:31
<ogra>
edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client
08:31
find the line:
08:31
/etc/init.d/usplash start
08:31
change start to stop
08:31
reboot the client ....
08:31
done
08:32
err, in dapper its defaulted to stop ... change it to start ... sorry
08:32
<mhterres>
Ok
08:33
I'll try
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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<ogra>
hey jammcq
08:36
<mhterres>
hi
08:36
<paolob-parroquia>
Hi guys! I had to reinstall the edubuntu server due to a hd crash, all is going quite well, but I still have a problem: some client boot well, otros stop with a Busybox shell saying: "/bin/sh/: can't access tty; job control turned off", and waiting for a command. Any hint what could be the reason? thank you!
08:38
<erdinc>
hey jammcq
08:38
<jammcq>
hey
08:39
<mhterres>
jammcq, ltsp 5 in dapper worked for me
08:39
now that ogra help me with a little bug
08:39
thanks guy
08:39
s
08:39
<jammcq>
using LDM ?
08:40
<erdinc>
ogra I export LDFLAGS with -lxvidcore, this vlc is crazy :)
08:41
jim did you get, I sent you a mail like a day ago I guess
08:41
<jammcq>
erdinc: yeah, about an announcement?
08:41
<erdinc>
yep
08:41
<jammcq>
yep
08:41
<mhterres>
jammcq, using default login manager
08:41
I guess gdm :-)
08:41
<jammcq>
default is LDM
08:41
<mhterres>
hmmmm
08:41
great
08:42
but ldm don't use ssh ?
08:42
<jammcq>
yes, it uses ssh
08:42
<cliebow_>
jammcq:dont suppose there are pxe version differences or anything?
08:42
<mhterres>
but do I need ssh ?
08:42
:-)
08:42
<jammcq>
cliebow_: well, there are some. some older machines have buggy PXE implementations
08:43
<ogra>
mhterres, all features we develop in ubuntu are using ldm ... you can switch to gdm and xdmcp, but will loose functionallity
08:43
<jammcq>
mhterres: well, I dunno, do you?
08:43
<mhterres>
jammcq, hehehehe
08:43
ok, I'll use ldm
08:43
but if I use gdm can I boost my performance ?
08:45
I'll change my ltsp for edgy ltsp this afternoon
08:45
<cliebow_>
like old intel cards?
08:45
<mhterres>
great, It resolve my keyboard problems
08:45
<jammcq>
cliebow_: old intel cards should be fine
08:45
<cliebow_>
mhterres:just set aside 4.2
08:45
<mhterres>
yep
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<cliebow_>
ill check over the configs..lord i wish thet'd move dhcp to linux and scrap winblows
08:52
<mhterres>
how can I login in the console ???
08:54
<ogra>
oyu need to create users ... or use an ldap client in the thin client env ...
08:55
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
08:55* SiCk waves
08:55
<ogra>
^^^ will set a rootpw
08:55
<SiCk>
the annoyance is back again
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08:56
<cliebow_>
Intel UNDI. PXE-2.0 (Build 067)
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<mhterres>
I'm very happy
08:58
:-D
09:03
question: if ltsp uses ldm, why it is not a required package ?
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09:07* erdinc bye aLL
09:07
<erdinc>
see you at night
09:07
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:07
<cliebow_>
Scottie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<ogra>
mhterres, it is a required package
09:08
by ltsp-client
09:08
<mhterres>
no
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<mhterres>
it is recommended in edgy
09:09
I'm installing right now
09:09
<ogra>
Depends: lsb-base, nbd-client, ldm | sdm-terminal | x-display-manager
09:09
thats the depends line of ltsp-client
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<ogra>
you wont see that anyway, since installing ltsp-client directly would break your server up to needing a reinstall
09:10
so ltsp-client isnt installable on normal systems
09:10
<mhterres>
ltsp-server-standalone
09:10
<ogra>
what about it ?
09:10
<mhterres>
hmmm, I need the ltsp-client, ok
09:10
<ogra>
no
09:10
you dont
09:10
ltsp-build-client needs it ...
09:11
(the script building your client env)
09:11
<mhterres>
I understand
09:12
<ogra>
ltsp-client has varoius initscripts that would break if not used on a thin client ...
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09:15
<Panora200>
hi all
09:15
<mhterres>
hi
09:15
<Panora200>
hi wonder what has happened to the contribs/ section in ltsp's homepage
09:18
*i wonder heeh
09:20
<jammcq>
you can still get to the old home page
09:21
on the LTSP wiki, there's a link on the left side of the page
09:21
it says 'Old LTSP Homepage'
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<mhterres>
ogra, the sound configuration and usb configuration changed in ltsp 5 ? Or Do I need to use lts.conf to config this stuffs ?
09:43
<ogra>
thats something you do with lts.conf ...
09:43
<mhterres>
great
09:44
<ogra>
add a default entry for sound ....
09:44
SOUND=True
09:44
<mhterres>
just this ?
09:44
<ogra>
and for local devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
09:44
yep, just this under the [default] line
09:45
<mhterres>
great
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<irule_>
hi
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<irule_>
hello
10:00
<mhterres>
how can I set a different root server in dhcp ?
10:01
ltsp is getting root-server as local server, when it is not
10:04
how can I change it
10:04
?
10:07
<irule_>
option root-path "192.168.1.100:/opt/ltsp/i386";
10:07
could this be it?
10:08
<mhterres>
no
10:09
it's getting the root server as localhost, so for examples it's getting
10:09
192.168.1.1:192.168.1.100:/opt/ltsp/i386
10:14
<vanya>
trying to setup local devices on clients. what is lbus and where can I get it on Gentoo?
10:16
<Panora200>
jammcq, thanks checking..
10:16
<irule_>
please read this, mhterres http://gentoo-wiki.com/LTSP_Configuration
10:17
<vanya>
irule_, thanks
10:17
<irule_>
you are welcome
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<irule>
!rdesktop
10:20
<ltspbot`>
irule: Error: "rdesktop" is not a valid command.
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<efra>
Mornign everybody
10:21
<irule>
huh? why do I get a grays screnn with an X cursor when trying out rdesktop?
10:21
4.2u2
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10:27
<mhterres>
irule, my problem is another
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10:29
<joaocep>
hello people!
10:29
<irule>
hi
10:29
<joaocep>
i need a little help
10:30
i necessite configure's pc's in ltsp mode, but dont access my usb pendrive
10:30
i need a source of sources.list debian with ltsp-usb and ltsp-floppy
10:30
or packages
10:33
nobody help?
10:35
<mhterres>
anybody can help me with the dhcp question ?
10:36
<sbalneav>
mhterres: remove the ip address from the root path
10:36
<mhterres>
I removed
10:36
so he assumed the server is local
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<sbalneav>
Have you restarted dhcpd?
10:36
<cliebow_>
ogra: from a g4 running edgy id simply did ltsp-build-client and got a /opt/ltsp/powerpc: this seem kosher??
10:36
<mhterres>
but my nfs should be mounted in another server, not the same of dhcp
10:36
this is the problem
10:36
<sbalneav>
hm
10:36
Then I'm not sure.
10:37
<joaocep>
hmmm powerpc.. hm
10:37
what a problem ?
10:37
<mhterres>
it a feature from ltsp5 , cause it works in 4.2
10:37
hi sbalneav
10:37
:-)
10:38
<sbalneav>
I don't think ltsp5 supports a different nfs server from the dhcp server yet.
10:38
Unless it's a different dhcp option that I'm not aware of.
10:38
<mhterres>
ltsp 4.2 support it
10:39
<jammcq>
it's GOT to
10:39
<sbalneav>
ltsp5 != ltsp 4.2
10:39
<jammcq>
that's a critical thing
10:39
<joaocep>
ohhh, but a image of ltsp need a commom server of dhcp+bootp+ltsp
10:39
<mhterres>
I tried to modify the initramfs.conf but not works
10:39
jammcq, I think so
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10:40
<mhterres>
sbalneav, are you coming to Brazil again ?
10:40
:-)
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10:40
<ogra>
mhterres, i'm not aware of that problem yet ...
10:40
but to be honest i havent tried with a separate nfs server yet
10:40
<mhterres>
ogra: I need to use a differente nfs server, not the same of the dhcp
10:41
<ogra>
cliebow_, you nfs mount /opt/ltsp in rw mode from the ltsp server to the client before you run ltsp-build-client
10:41
<joaocep>
i'm brazilian
10:41
<ogra>
after building and unmounting you run ltsp-update-kernels on the server
10:41
<mhterres>
joaocep, I imagine, are you work for Correios ? :-)
10:41
<ogra>
mhterres, yes, i see what you wrote above
10:41
<mhterres>
hmm, ok, sorry
10:41
<ogra>
nobody has reported that to me yet ...
10:42
and i wasnt aware there is a problem ... i'll try to fix it in feisty ...
10:42
(or at least reproduce it first)
10:42
<mhterres>
ogra, where can I change to rootserver dont get the localhost server ?
10:43
<joaocep>
no, i working in ULBRA Campus
10:43
<mhterres>
joaocep, Canoas ?
10:43
<joaocep>
canoas
10:43
<mhterres>
nice
10:43
are u using ltsp in Ulbra ?
10:43
<joaocep>
brazilian? speek portuguese?
10:43
msn?
10:43
<mhterres>
yep
10:43
<ogra>
mhterres, it should work with adding the ip to the root-server line ... if it doesnt its a bug that i dont know of yet (as i wrote in my last three lines)
10:43
<mhterres>
mhterres@hotmail.com
10:43
there is no root-server line :-)
10:43
it is not an dhcp option
10:44
<cliebow_>
k
10:44
<ogra>
root-path i mean
10:44
sorry i'm very busy and shouldnt even be on irc
10:44
<mhterres>
don work
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<ogra>
mhterres, it should work with adding the ip to the root-path line ... if it doesnt its a bug that i dont know of yet (as i wrote in my last three lines)
10:45
<mhterres>
Any idea of how can I fix it ?
10:45
<ogra>
no
10:45
<ogra> nobody has reported that to me yet ...
10:45
<ogra> and i wasnt aware there is a problem ... i'll try to fix it in feisty ...
10:45
<ogra> (or at least reproduce it first)
10:45
*sigh*
10:47
<cliebow_>
ogra:cant jhust tar this one then..
10:49
<ogra>
cliebow, sure
10:49
<cliebow_>
sorry to bother you..
10:59
<mhterres>
back to 4.2 :-(
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<jernst>
hello, I have a problem with my HP thinclient : it crashes the X server (on the thin client) when using opengl (glxgears, wine)
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<jernst>
Is it because of driver or video memory ?
12:01
<jammcq>
jernst: what model is the HP ?
12:02
<jernst>
t5125 (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-321959-89307-338927-89307-472257.html)
12:04
I have an older PC and it can run wine without crashing. (wine links to opengl libs and it crashes even if you don't actually use it on the HP)
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<jerns1>
jammcq: I was disconnected I think... It is a t5125 (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-321959-89307-338927-89307-472257.html)
12:16
<mhterres>
almost done: now a final question
12:16
anybody knows is there some problem to run dosemu in a thin client ?
12:16
<Gadi>
no problem
12:16
<mhterres>
locally is working fine, but in the client is a problem
12:16
<Gadi>
I have a client who uses it
12:16
<mhterres>
"attempt to access private resource denied"
12:17
Gadi, any tips ?
12:17
<Gadi>
actually runs a dos app off of a Novell Netware box over ncpfs
12:17
lol
12:17
and now can access it remotely
12:17
what a world
12:17
mhterres: hmm... dont think there was much to change from an LTSP point of view
12:17
<mhterres>
hmm, in my case I need to use it localy
12:17
locally
12:18
<Gadi>
other than if you use printing, you may need individual user conf files for printer
12:18
<mhterres>
yes, I know
12:18
<jammcq>
jerns1: have you added the settings mentioned on the LTSP wiki
12:18
<Gadi>
locally? running on the client and not the server?
12:19
hmm... then, it should be even more like a fat client
12:19
but, it works if you push it back from the server, as well
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<jerns1>
jammcq: which ones ?
12:22
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#T5125
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<jerns1>
jammcq: thanks I didn't find it before, because I was reading the muekow docs, I will try and I'll tell you if it works
12:25
<jammcq>
jerns1: are you using LTSP-5 ?
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12:26
<jernst>
jammcq: yes I am. Why ?
12:26
<jammcq>
that option may not work
12:26
but give it a try
12:26
ogra's not here right now to find out if it's supported
12:27
<jernst>
jammcq: is there another way to force this option if it doesn't work ?
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<mhterres>
Gadi, no I didn't explain myselt correctly
12:38
I need to run the app in the server and in the thin clients
12:38
and the application is in the server HD
12:39
<g333k_work>
Hi, I have configured all services in ltsp 4.2 but xdmcp still appears as not running, why?
12:39
<mhterres>
Gadi, and the error was The error was 'BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)'.
12:40
g333k_work, what is happening ?
12:41
<g333k_work>
mhterres, shouldnt appear all services enabled and running?
12:41
<mhterres>
no
12:42
gdm something appear like not running
12:42
sometimes
12:42
:-)
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<g333k_work>
mhterres, I just see a X in the middle of the screen
12:45
<mhterres>
hmmm
12:45
firewall maybe ?
12:45
<g333k_work>
mhterres, noup
12:45
<mhterres>
xdmcp is enabled ?
12:46
<g333k_work>
mhterres, ltspadmin says that yes
12:46
<mhterres>
hmm, o
12:46
k
12:46
have you tried to look what is happening in syslog ?
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<g333k_work>
mhterres, I run gdm manually
12:49
<mhterres>
but when the client tries to connect you can see some info in server syslog
12:49
maybe there you can find the problem
12:49
<Gadi>
g333k_work: netstat -anp|grep :177
12:49
on the server
12:50
that will tell you if gdm is listening
12:50
<mhterres>
yes
12:50
<Gadi>
mhterres: I don't understand the error
12:50
<g333k_work>
Gadi, no results
12:50
<Gadi>
then, it is not
12:50
go into a session, and enable xdmcp through the gui
12:50
<mhterres>
Gadi, neither I do
12:51
<g333k_work>
Gadi, how?
12:51
<mhterres>
Gadi, locally in the server there is no problems, but this error appear when I'm trying to run in the client
12:51
<Gadi>
mhterres: you get that on the client running dosemu on the server?
12:51
<mhterres>
yes
12:51
<Gadi>
g333k_work: do you use gnome?
12:51
mhterres: it may depend on the app
12:51
<g333k_work>
Gadi, xfce
12:51
<mhterres>
g333k_work, open /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and look for the [XDMCP] entry
12:51
<Gadi>
g333k_work: xubuntu?
12:52
<mhterres>
there you enable the XDMCP that must be Enabled=false
12:52
<Gadi>
mhterres: there's a better way
12:52
<mhterres>
Gadi, There is no app, just the Freedos
12:52
<g333k_work>
mhterres, xdmcp is enabled there
12:52
<Gadi>
because that wont survive an upgrade
12:52
<mhterres>
Gadi, off course :-)
12:52
<Gadi>
mhterres: thats weird
12:52
<g333k_work>
Gadi, well ubuntu and I installed the xfce pkgs manually
12:52
<mhterres>
Gadi, I know
12:52
<Gadi>
actually, I do remember for my dos app, I needed real dos
12:52
not freedos
12:52
but, that was the app I was running
12:53
g333k_work: well, you can run: gdmsetup from a terminal window
12:53
or: gksudo gdmsetup
12:53
or: System > Administration > Login
12:53
if you have that in the menu
12:54
<g333k_work>
Gadi, then?
12:54
<Gadi>
go to Remote tab
12:54
and change to: "Same as Local"
12:54
then, close
12:54
<mhterres>
Gadi, new information
12:54
<Gadi>
then, logout
12:54
<mhterres>
dosemu is running, but I need xdosemu (dosemu -x)
12:55
<Gadi>
1 sec
12:55
brb
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<Gadi>
mhterres: yeah, I think I remember something like that - like the Ubuntu package for xdosemu was messed up, or it was made without x support....
12:58* Gadi remembers using a breezy package on dapper
12:58
<Gadi>
or some such
12:58
it was a while ago
12:59
<mhterres>
Gadi, but if don`t have the X support, would not run in server too
12:59
<Gadi>
ah, true
12:59
so, you can run dosemu on the client but not xdosemu?
12:59
is that the issue?
13:00
<mhterres>
Gadi, yep, because the app uses some characters that in terminal looks ugly
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<BilboFett>
greetings
13:02
where can I read the startup log for Fedora?
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<Gadi>
mhterres: do you have this in dosemu.conf: $_X_mitshm = (off)
13:04
<mhterres>
and ?
13:04
<g333k_work>
Gadi, nothing, I have the same problem
13:05
<Gadi>
g333k_work: is anyone logged in?
13:05
<BilboFett>
G A D I @!!!!!!!!
13:05
<g333k_work>
Gadi, the server
13:05
<Gadi>
yeah
13:05
is anyone on the server?
13:05
BilboFett: hey. try: dmesg
13:05
<g333k_work>
Gadi, nobody can log to the server because they stop when logging the X
13:06
<Gadi>
g333k_work: great: do this: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
13:06
er, sudo
13:06
sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
13:06
<cliebow_>
g33k_work:you getting grasy screen with x?
13:06
<g333k_work>
Gadi, I did taht
13:06
<Gadi>
mhterres: is that line in your dosemu.conf?
13:06
<g333k_work>
cliebow_, yep
13:06
<Gadi>
g333k_work: after making the change in the gui?
13:07
<g333k_work>
Gadi, yep... I'm rebooting the server
13:07
<Gadi>
ok
13:07
<mhterres>
Gadi, I'll take a look
13:07
<BilboFett>
dmesg gadi
13:07
hmmm
13:07
<Gadi>
BilboFett: no - on the server
13:07
dmesg
13:07
at a terminal
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<cliebow_>
g333k_work:be sure in lts.conf you arepointing to a server with gdm running..oops this is ubunti?
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<g333k_work>
cliebow_, it is working now... omg!
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<cliebow_>
of course it iseth
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<g333k_work>
Gadi, I configured autologin in gdm.conf but it seems to omitting changes in gdm.conf right?
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<BilboFett>
Gadi, heh :)
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<mhterres>
Gadi, $_X_mitshm = (off)
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is there
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<BilboFett>
Gadi do I need to run dmesg from the server to see what happend at bootup on the server itself?
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<g333k_work>
Can somebody help me to make gdm.conf apply my changes?
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<mhterres>
g333k_work, gdm continues not listen in 177 ?
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<dan__t>
How do you guys deal with hostname to IP mappings for clients?
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bind mixed in with some dhcpd hackery, or hosts, or what?
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Is there a command around that will show me which user is logged into which X display?
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or, rather, which usernames are connected on which displays as X clients.
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<g333k_work>
mhterres, I got this ouput: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:* 5223/gdm
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<mhterres>
correct
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<g333k_work>
mhterres, so why is it not applying my changes in gdm.conf ?
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<mhterres>
what changes ?
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<g333k_work>
mhterres, I edited gdm.conf to enable autologin
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<mhterres>
hmmmmmm
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Now the remote login is working /
13:42
?
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<g333k_work>
mhterres, but gmd acts like if I dindt do nothing
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<mhterres>
AutomaticLoginEnable=true in gdm.conf ?
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<g333k_work>
mhterres, yep
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[daemon]
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AutomaticLoginEnable=true
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AutomaticLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh|
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TimedLoginEnable=true
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TimedLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh|
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TimedLoginDelay=5
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[security]
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AllowRemoteAutoLogin=true
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<PaSurf>
I am running debian and have looked at the packages offered through aptitude. There are lots. Which would best be suited for a network of say 50 machines?
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<dan__t>
Which ones do you need?
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<PaSurf>
dan_t: yes. There are ltsp-x-server with different options. We are just starting out, but want to get the correct one...
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we dont need sound.... are looking at running open office and other applications... Possibly with a ubuntu desktop
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<dan__t>
Ok, then install them :)
13:51
I don't quite understand your question I don't think. You'r asking basically which applications should be installed on your machine, no?
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<g333k_work>
Oh my god everything is a mess here!!! now when I do gdm restart my server freezes in a black screen
13:51
damm!
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<PaSurf>
ok, so there are packages like ltsp.x.xserver-p9000 and mach64 mono, etc... w32... what do these packages mean.. fbdev...
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<dan__t>
erm, they're essentially tools that ltsp uses to boot a client machine
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<PaSurf>
which packages for ltsp are necessary for a basic install, or do I need to install a single package then add the ones based on need? Is there a "mother" package?
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<dan__t>
until the point where it can connect to the server via x
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<PaSurf>
do you have a source for the download where I can get these packages for debian?
13:54
right now they are showing up as virtual packages...
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<dan__t>
what's that
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<PaSurf>
in debian there are apt sources where you point your machine at a location. You get an idea of what packages the server on the other end has, and when you need a specific package you can down load it from that machine
13:56
basically I get my security updates from one place, and general packages like mysql and apache2 from another...
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sometimes certain sites (sources) offer packages specifically for debian. If I can connect to the site I can us aptitude to install the packages...
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<cliebow_>
dan__t:i have a command you can use to see who is on what ws
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<cliebow_>
as robbed bodily from Teachertool
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<dan__t>
heheh
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<cliebow_>
leem see...netstat -t -e|grep X11|sed -e ..hell i cant ype that..wait a sec
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<dan__t>
heh ok.
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<cliebow_>
netstat -t -e | grep x11 | sed -e 's/ \+/ /g' -e 's/:/ /g'"
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last quote is bad
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in ubuntu there is a kludge errr "fix"
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<mathesis>
i have problem with sicn out limit in monitor
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the monitor is syncmaster 551v samsung
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howto config the sync the montitor 551v?
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<dan__t>
Thanks, cliebow.
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I'll look into sorting.
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<sbalneav>
mathesis: What version of LTSP are you using?
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<dan__t>
And how are you guys assiging hostnames to IPs to clients and such?
14:19
Which method is preferred.
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<sbalneav>
either /etc/hosts or named works fine.
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<dan__t>
ok.
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<g333k_work>
Can somebody help me to make gdm.conf apply my changes?
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<dan__t>
Then it's just as much as assigning IPs via DHCP based on mac address, from there on out, right?
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<dan__t>
I think I need to start putting vtys on client machines so I can get info like IP, MAC, etc etc.
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<sbalneav>
g333k_work: What changes?
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dan__t: You still need dhcpd to assign the ip address to the machine.
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<dan__t>
Yeah.
14:25
That's what I'm saying.
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<sbalneav>
g333k_work: hello?
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, I'm setting up autologin feature
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sbalneav, I edited gdm.conf like that :
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[daemon]
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AutomaticLoginEnable=true
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AutomaticLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh|
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TimedLoginEnable=true
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TimedLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh|
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TimedLoginDelay=5
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[security]
14:28
AllowRemoteAutoLogin=true
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<cliebow_>
dan__t:why dont you just ssh in once they are running?
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<dan__t>
Because I don't know a clients IP :)
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<cliebow_>
hosts should compare ip and hostname..i have like library 1 hamilton3 littlegto
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<BilboFett>
hello
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<dan__t>
Hi.
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<sbalneav>
g333k_work: So, have you restarted gdm?
14:33
What OS are you on?
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<BilboFett>
well I guess my district wants to do K12LTSP on something other than Fedora now
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, yep
14:34
sbalneav, ubuntu + xfce
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sbalneav, ltsp 4.2
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<sbalneav>
What file did you add it to?
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<cliebow_>
k12ltsp on ubuntu
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<BilboFett>
cliebow, thats what you recommend?
14:36
because they were looking at ubuntu
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<sbalneav>
g333k_work: What file did you add these commands to?
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<cliebow_>
BilboFett:not sure my recommend means much..but i LOVe ubuntu
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<sbalneav>
BilboFett: Edubuntu would be what you're looking for, but out of curiousity, why do they NOT want fedora?
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<BilboFett>
does it offer all the same things that you get in Fedora, childsplay, tuxmath, all that kind of stuff?
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sbalneav, they say Fedora is getting way too bloated
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, I add a file to /usr/bin/autologin.sh
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sbalneav, this file contains:
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#!/bin/bash
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HOSTNAME=`echo ${DISPLAY} | cut -f1 -d: | awk -F . {' print $1 '}`
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echo $HOSTNAME
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exit 0
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sbalneav, I followed the same procedure to my old ltsp server and it worked well, I dont know why I'm having problems now
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<BilboFett>
no comment brother sbalneav?
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<sbalneav>
g333k_work: you need to add those conf instructions to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom
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BilboFett: No, I just wondered why they wanted to switch from Fedora to Ubuntu.
14:40
However, "too bloated" seems like a bad reason.
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, and leave gdm.conf like ltspadmin left? or to both files?
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<sbalneav>
Unless the school division only has 2 gig disks :)
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<BilboFett>
"although Fedora is the most popular, it is also the most bloated" to quote
14:42
I think he means as far as too many processes, too many dependencies, a growing over-complexity
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, it works now, thanks buddy
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<sbalneav>
BilboFett: Certainly, I like the debian based distros, and Ubuntu specifically.
14:47
But for me, the issue wasn't bloat so much as ease of package management.
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the apt package manager seems, to me at least, do a much better job of managing dependencies, and resolving them, than rpm did.
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<mathesis>
sbalneav: ltsp4.2
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<sbalneav>
mathesis: You worked on this yesterday, right? What did you try?
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<mathesis>
sbalneav: i hava a server ltsp4.2 with 2 thin clients at home
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the client 1 ist working goo
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<mathesis>
the client 2 had problem with monitor
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sycn out limit
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only with monitor 15 inch
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the 2 thin/client work good with the monitor 17 inch
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<sbalneav>
What have you put for the "X_HORZSYNC" and X_VERTREFRESH values in lts.conf?
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<mathesis>
yes i do
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wait
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check my lts.conf
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http://pastebin.ca/325952
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ws252
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<sbalneav>
That's way too low for the verical refresh
15:16
You've only got 30-54
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that's not even 60hz
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<mathesis>
yes
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<sbalneav>
try 30-75
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<mathesis>
vert or horz
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<sbalneav>
ummm
15:18
I said "vertical"
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so that would be it.
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<mathesis>
and horizontal?/
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<mathesis>
in the manual its
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<sbalneav>
I didn't say anything about horizontal, so you don't need to touch it.
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<mathesis>
Synchronization horizontal 30 khz to 54 khz automatically and Vertical 50 hz to 120 hz automatically Max. Resolution 1024x768 , Video dot rate 65 mhz
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<mathesis>
horizontal sync positive/negative
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<sbalneav>
From your paste
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<mathesis>
vertical sync positive/negative
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its the gui of the monitor
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<sbalneav>
X_VERTSYNC = 30-54 X_HORIZSYNC = 50-120
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<sbalneav>
Now there's several problems here
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<mathesis>
yes ido
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<sbalneav>
1) If what you typed for the manual is correct, them you've reversed the settings.
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<mathesis>
#
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X_VERTSYNC = 30-54
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# X_HORIZSYNC = 50-120
15:23
its fine
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<sbalneav>
2) it's not X_HORIZSYNC it's X_HORZSYNC
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<sbalneav>
So, according to what you typed from the manual, you need:
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X_HORZSYNC 30-54
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<mathesis>
ok
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<sbalneav>
X_VERTREFRESH = 50-120
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sorry, X_HORZSYNC = 30-54
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<mathesis>
sbalneav: sync out limit
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<sbalneav>
paste your lts.conf file please
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<mathesis>
oks
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<mathesis>
http://pastebin.ca/326127 sbalneav
15:45
its problem only the monitors 15 inches
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with the 17 inch workin fine the clients
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<sbalneav>
yes, you've said that already.
15:46
Try it at a lower resolution.
15:46
Add X_MODE_0 = 800x600
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oh for pete's sake
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<mathesis>
X_MODE_0 = 800x600
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<sbalneav>
Did you read what I pasted?
15:47
You didn't, did you?
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Oh, wait that was the old one that was wrong
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<mathesis>
the line X_MODE_0 = 800x600 its fine the line
15:48
<sbalneav>
never mind, my bad.
15:48
right.
15:48
<mathesis>
its the client w252
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ws252
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<sbalneav>
I know
15:49
set X_MODE_0 = 800x600
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see if it will come up on that
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<mathesis>
http://pastebin.ca/326127
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<sbalneav>
so it doesn't come up on 800x600
15:50
<mathesis>
in ws252
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<sbalneav>
remove the X_MODE_0 line.
15:50
see if it will come up in 1024 by 768 then.
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<mathesis>
oks
15:51
remove X_MODE_0 =800x600
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?
15:52
<sbalneav>
yes
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<mathesis>
sbalneav: igual
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sync out limit
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http://pastebin.ca/326147
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<mathesis>
the proble i when try Xorg in the thin-client
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the problem i when try Xorg in the thin-client
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<sbalneav>
ok, well, try the solutions on the following page:
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ModeLinesForOldMonitors
16:02
comment out the X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH lines.
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<chupacabra>
http://www.stateoftheuniondrinkinggame.com/
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<chupacabra>
yo
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