IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
whiprush: i've seen a few people ask about it over the last few months
00:01
<whiprush>
vagrantc: won't work
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<whiprush>
I gave up
00:01
we bought 50 clients from jammcq
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and plan to replace the sunrays
00:01
<vagrantc>
heh.
00:01
<whiprush>
to be honest, sick of waiting for sun.
00:02
<vagrantc>
fair enough.
00:02
<whiprush>
we need stuff that works, now, and ltsp has that.
00:02
if they don't want to play, then I'll send our money to ltsp vendors.
00:02
<vagrantc>
nice. :)
00:03
<whiprush>
I have labs, and students that need to do engineering stuff on linux.
00:03
<vagrantc>
were they just a little too proprietary?
00:03
<whiprush>
if sun doesn't want our money because they suck, then screw them.
00:03
<vagrantc>
or just too much work?
00:03
<whiprush>
too much work
00:04
even if they open source it tomorrow.
00:04
it's a mess
00:04
it's a statically compiled mess, comes with their own java, their own apache.
00:04
<vagrantc>
oh, so it doesn't network boot?
00:04
<whiprush>
or I can use apt-get and get to work in 20 minutes.
00:05
it does
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but it's a black box
00:05
<vagrantc>
got it.
00:05
<whiprush>
I start some service, and it's supposed to work
00:05
<vagrantc>
black boxes are not something worth spending lots of time on.
00:05
<whiprush>
but they don't really support linux.
00:05
so ... while I got 300 thin clients for free.
00:05
they're not really free
00:06
they kind of work in linux, sort of.
00:06
<vagrantc>
they're even poor doorstops.
00:06
<whiprush>
but
00:06
they've been so unreliable lately, why bother?
00:06
I can just pxe boot existing lab machines into linux
00:06
<vagrantc>
right.
00:06
<whiprush>
and replace sunrays with ltsp clients.
00:07
sure, they cost me 15 grand, but considering I've spent about 2 months worth of my time trying to get them to work
00:07
easy decision.
00:07
<vagrantc>
aiiie.
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on both counts.
00:07
<whiprush>
and plus
00:08
in .edu ... when professors have to cancel classes
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and at one point they considered refunding students their money.
00:08
40 students, per week, for what it costs.
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vs. just getting ltsp clients.
00:09
<vagrantc>
hmmmm....
00:09* vagrantc does a little theoretical math
00:09
<whiprush>
vagrantc: it's funny, people spent so much time wondering about java, and solaris.
00:09
ends up, for us, the sunray software was the one that cost us the most.
00:10
<vagrantc>
it's like, sooo last millenia.
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<whiprush>
vagrantc: in hindsight
00:10
as you know, jammcq is my lug president
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and he was like "don't get more sunrays, that's stupid"
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and I was like "no way man, we can make it work."
00:11
what a stupid idea that was
00:11
<vagrantc>
well, live and buy ltsp-freindly thin-clients, that's what i say.
00:11
<whiprush>
we do now. :)
00:12
we've been doing all sorts of lab testing these past few weeks.
00:12
the ltsp solution is just so much more superior.
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it's not even close.
00:13
<vagrantc>
so, you could add this to the LTSP success stories page! :)
00:13
<whiprush>
I plan to, after we finish deploying.
00:14
<vagrantc>
"we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot with LTSP"
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er...
00:14
i suppose that isn't the best wording.
00:14
<whiprush>
like, 3 years ago, the plan to make our sunrays work with linux sounded so good.
00:14
man. what a shitty idea that turned out to be
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and the whole time jammcq was like "dude, ltsp"
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but I didn't listen
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I had this stupid idea that sun would unfuck themselves.
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that ended up being the dumbest idea ever.
00:16* vagrantc suspects theres been dumber ones
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<vagrantc>
like this whole cache of nuclear warheads i live near
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<whiprush>
it wasn't until those damn things nearly cost me my job that I finally realized that they were a waste of time.
00:18* vagrantc tries again
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<vagrantc>
"after switching to LTSP, the gunshot wounds in our feet finally could start to heal again"
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<whiprush>
vagrantc: I get the feeling that jammcq thought I was joking.
00:20
I'll track him down and make him think about ltsp-as-a-standard.
00:21
<vagrantc>
probably just not feeling like he had the time to take it on, is my impression
00:30
<whiprush>
heh
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<nick125_lappy>
evening ltspers
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<nick125_lappy>
Hrm..this is odd
00:47
according to the gentoo LTSP guide, the ltsp ebuild has a kde/gnome useflag, but, when I'm looking at the ebuild, there isn't any useflag for that
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<Bhaskar>
Any linux training manual in school ??
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<astroboy>
Hmm .. all of a sudden GDM won't open giving me error msg "Can't open file /usr/share/gdm/themes/freespirit/freespirit.xml" .. I have remote login set on 'plain' as per ltsp instructions. What am I missing here ?
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<ramsys>
what is vdi ( virtual desktop infrastructure ) is any one using it
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<astroboy>
.. I'm reinstalling gdm ..
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<vlt|home>
Hello. When logged in as a user on the client there's a process "ssh -v -X -c blowfish-cbc,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc vlt@192.168.5.1 env LTSP_CLIENT="ltsp" /etc/X11/Xsession" running. Can I set encryption to none or the least cpu consuming mode somewhere?
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<bip>
anybody around ?
08:23
<cliebow_>
whiprush:sunrays use openboot?
08:26
bip: im listening..fwiw
08:31
<bip>
thanx :)
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<jammcq>
g'morning kids
08:57
<cliebow_>
jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:57
interesting conversation last night
08:57
<jammcq>
heh, yeah
08:57
loads of fun
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<cliebow_>
was whiprush hangup in x?
08:58
<jammcq>
no, he had a problem with sunrays
08:58
they are proprietary, and the software from sun is junk
08:59
<cliebow_>
so it was sunrays vid card..or i suppose he had to use their software..
09:00
<jammcq>
you can't use ltsp on them
09:00
they are completely different from what we are used to
09:00
he deployed a couple of classrooms full of them
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the new semester started, and they started running into problems. ended up canceling 2 of the classes
09:01
then they switched to LTSP and they are now quite happy
09:01
nice little success story
09:02
<cliebow_>
sure is...i have that sun server ready to give away for lack of x..
09:03
<jammcq>
well, Sun in general should support X just fine
09:03
I know a couple of the Sun engineers who work full time on X11
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and Sun is currently the largest sponsor of X.org foundation
09:03
<cliebow_>
funny.at a login prompt the screen is wicked blurry..unreadable..
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without x
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i dont have any other vid card to put in to try..
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09:46
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:46
ogra: ping
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09:57
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: morning
09:57
jammcq: and to you
09:59
<sbalneav>
Morning
10:01
<bip>
somebody knows how to disable dhcp in vmware server ?
10:01
hi vagrantc
10:01
hi sbalneav
10:01
<vagrantc>
bip: sorry, no clue with vmware.
10:01
<bip>
i m testing a debian etch deplyement of ltsp with vmware
10:01
<vagrantc>
bip: but kqemu+qemu is now free software, so why bother with vmware? :P
10:01
<bip>
but vware dhcp is quicker an overids
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well ...
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because i have been using it for years and it sorta worked ...
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<vagrantc>
i'd say the same of qemu :P
10:03
<bip>
yeah
10:03
i can imaginbe
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i bother u here
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because in vmware channel they seem to be pretty clueless ;-)
10:04
now i do some quick and dirty bofh thingie like just commentig out the dhcp.conf of vwmware
10:12
ok i fixed my dhcp issue
10:12
but i still get a file not found when i sttart up the thin-client
10:12
i would aprreciate an hand
10:13
now it get the right ip
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but i have problemes gettintg it to boot
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TFTP error - File not found
10:23
<sbalneav>
bip: which version of ltsp are you using?
10:23
<bip>
4.2
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i m following this howto:
10:23
<sbalneav>
Which tftp daemon did you install?
10:23
<bip>
atftp
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian
10:23
<sbalneav>
what does the line in inetd.conf look like?
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<bip>
one sec ...
10:24
i have some trube pasting from that box lemme see if i can get xchat up and running there
10:24* vagrantc looks at feet
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<sbalneav>
You can paste to the pastebot
10:25
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:25
<bip>
i know i can ...
10:25* vagrantc welcomes the pastebot back
10:26
<bip>
but for some reason i cant paste out of that machine now
10:28
<sbalneav>
What root directory for the files are you using? /tftpboot? Or /var/lib/tftpboot?
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: yeah, we got that back up this weekend.
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<bip_>
ok
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<bip>
the first one sbalneav
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/tftpboot
10:31
<sbalneav>
ok, so what does the filename line look like for your dhcpd.conf?
10:32
<bip_>
one sec
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<sbalneav>
What, you can't just retype the line?
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<bip>
no im not logget from that machine ye i could ...
10:50
but nmow im rebuilding the router ...
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<ltsppbot>
"bip" pasted "########## # # dynamic-dhcpd.c" (69 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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<bip_>
sbalneav,
11:47
got that pasted eventuallyy ...
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was hard ...
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i had to try a half dozen routers ...
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wonders of virtualization ;-)
11:50
<sbalneav>
Your filename's wrong
11:50
tftp servers chroot to the tftpboot, so...
11:51
filename should look like:
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filename "/lts/2.4.26-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0"
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but if you're using ltsp 4.2, it didn't use a 2.4 kernel
11:52
<bip_>
mmm
11:53
so i i should firrst remove all the stuff before ltsp right ?
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<sbalneav>
That's what I pasted.
11:54
<bip_>
that instead then
11:54
ok let see if that works ...
11:54
sorry i m extra dulll today
11:55
i m always dull
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but today im at my lowest ;-)
11:57
<cliebow>
bip..in 4.2you should havelike 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2..check that it esixtsin /tftpboot/lts
11:57
<bip_>
ok
11:57
i will
11:59
2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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<cliebow>
cool..this is fedora?
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<bip_>
no debian testing
11:59
etch
12:00
debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts# ls -l
12:00
totale 5516
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drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-04-17 15:13 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-08-12 04:29 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2752000 2006-04-17 15:13 vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2878976 2006-08-12 04:29 vmlinuz-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts#
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<cliebow>
and pxelinux.0 otter be in 2.6.16.1
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directroy
12:03
sbalneav:you using ldap in feisty?
12:05
great to have the pastebot back
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<bip_>
ok now it boots
12:05
but it gives kernel panic
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<bip_>
i guess i wrekerd /etc eport too
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what u wanna see pasted now ?
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<otavio>
:-)
12:06
<cliebow>
showmount -e
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<bip_>
ok
12:06
i will
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ok
12:07
can fix that myself i think
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one sec
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<cliebow>
bip_: you sound like you are crapping out at what was pivot-root
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<bip_>
yup
12:08
i m a master at crapping out everyting ...
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what is amazing is how lill i leran from my mistakes ;-)
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<cliebow>
me too..i get a lot of handholding
12:08
i have to write Everything down...blame it on senior mments
12:10
your server Is 10.42.42.100..and /opt/ltsp is exported..and nfs is running..
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<bip_>
ok
12:11
one sec
12:11
now after fixin /etc/export whatt shall i restart ?
12:11
nfsd i guess ?
12:11
anything else ?
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well i m self employed ...
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<sbalneav>
run the command exportfs -a
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<bip_>
so i never document anything
12:12
ok
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<cliebow>
that should do..there was a cool command bt i forgot it
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ahh..there
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<sbalneav>
You're self employed, and don't document what you do?
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<bip_>
Export list for debianTestingLTSP:
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/opt/ltsp 192.168.255.0/255.255.255.0
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/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.255.0/255.255.255.0
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debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts#
12:12
well
12:12
<cliebow>
whoops
12:12
look at
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<bip_>
i wrtite stuff on li piece of papers ...
12:13
export was edited
12:13
<cliebow>
you are exporting 192
12:13
<bip_>
but then i always loose em
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i know
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<cliebow>
but you are 10.42.42
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<bip_>
i fixed it
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i know
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i just need to know what daemons i must restart now that i have edited the /etc/exports file
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<cliebow>
nfs...with exportfs -na
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<bip_>
i can play the guessing game
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hold on ...
12:14
lemme check ...
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<cliebow>
or if you wan to be thorough..restart nfs
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<bip_>
debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts# /etc/init.d/nfs-
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well i have more then one nfs thingie in /etc/init.d
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shall i restart 'em all ? ;-)
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<cliebow>
nfs-kernel-server
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<bip_>
debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d# ls -l nfs*
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-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6644 2007-01-25 12:49 nfs-common
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-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4340 2007-01-25 12:49 nfs-kernel-server
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debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#
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ok just the server thingie ok
12:16
i will
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ok nice errore message will be pasted soon+
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<ltsppbot>
"bip" pasted "debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/20
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<cliebow>
looks like it whined but started..
12:18
you can netstat -anp|grep ":2049"
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see if it is listening
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<bip_>
yeah i m startin a client
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i think we have got it done
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<cliebow>
Cool
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<bip_>
can i document this tomorrow dad ? ;-)
12:19
<cliebow>
finish your homework before you go out and play
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<bip_>
:)
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oh well its 7 pm this side of the world
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and i got it booting ...
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tomorrow i will write down notes
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<cliebow>
i have to print out my configs..or put em up on wiki where i can find em
12:21
<bip_>
i doin a comparative test of debian sue and ubuntu to see which i one feels better fas quick and dirty ltsp deployement platform
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<cliebow>
i see..
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<bip_>
i lean toward suse ...
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but just because most big commeriacl big players r totally dropping support for debian
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and i find suse pricing more attractive of red hat
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when i talk about big players i m thinkin at monster backup apps like veritas legato or tivoli
12:23
they have all dropped debian support :(
12:23
<cliebow>
ubuntu rocks
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<bip_>
beside dell is selling some very attractively priced entry-level servers with suse preinstalled
12:24
<cliebow>
but rsync is your friend..
12:24
<bip_>
yes so far xubuntu has given me the most pain free deplyement
12:24
<cliebow>
whatever floats your boat really...
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<bip_>
using the xubuntu alternate cd is lmost totally plug and play
12:24
well ...
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after a couple years of toying around i m doing my first very smal production deployement
12:25
one server one term actually
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but i wanna play it extra safe because it s a very importatnt testbed for me
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<cliebow>
i do that at home a lot..one ibook one intel laptop
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<bip_>
im at home
12:26
the whole testing setup was carried from vmware virtual machines inside my main deb workhorse
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now i now i to get em booting with deb and xubuntu tomorrow i ll write a short memo e try to replicate the same with suse
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<vagrantc>
bip_: this is using ltsp 4.2 only? or have you tried any of the ltsp5 stuff?
12:28
<bip_>
well i think the xubuntu setup uses 5
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i tried only the xubuntu alternate edgy cd
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becuaas eit gives u the ltsp option straight from the installer and a light gui and office environement
12:29
but i think that is ltsp5 based
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for etch and suse i have olly found 4.x base howtos
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so it s abit like comparing apples with oranges
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<bip_>
and i think i have tried muecow with skolelinux too vagrantc
12:31
i personally think so fra skolelix is the best implementation
12:31
but it ha 2 things i dont like:
12:32
it gives u either kde or icewm and and lot of educatinal software i don t need
12:32
but i like a lot its fat/thin clients integration and the ldap integration too
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<vagrantc>
so, the documentation for ltsp5 in debian/etch is sorely needed.
12:33
<bip_>
i wonder if there is anybody around interested in turning skolelinux into officelinux
12:33
well i m no coder ...
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but i will gladly read edit translate maybe write docs
12:33
<cliebow>
last i knew it required double nic setup
12:34
<bip_>
it does ...
12:34
but i like double nic setups ...
12:34
<cliebow>
i use single nic and plug terms anywhere in buldiong
12:34
<vagrantc>
well, so far the docs are: "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone ; ltsp-build-client" followed by tweaking dhcpd.conf, and /etc/exports
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<cliebow>
yes..docs need work
12:35
<bip_>
yeah they do ...
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<vagrantc>
cliebow: it doesn't require a double nic setup, but that's the default.
12:35
<bip_>
u mean that now that i have a workin ltsp 4 setup
12:35
<cliebow>
that is skole? it was quite a while ago i played with it
12:36
<vagrantc>
cliebow: yeah, skolelinux/debian-edu
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<bip_>
i can try to migrate to 5 and review the docs in the process vagrantc ?
12:36
<vagrantc>
bip_: well... i already posted all the docs.
12:36
<bip_>
were ?
12:36
<vagrantc>
well, so far the docs are: "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone ; ltsp-build-client" followed by tweaking dhcpd.conf, and /etc/exports
12:36
<bip_>
i might have a look
12:36
ah ok
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<cliebow>
bip_: and write it up on scraps of paper 9~)
12:37
<bip_>
well sounds a bit like K&R
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<vagrantc>
in short, there isn't much documentation
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<bip_>
a tadd too terse for me vagrantc ;-)
12:37
<vagrantc>
kliknrun ?
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<bip_>
kerrigham and ricthie
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<vagrantc>
?
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<bip_>
real hard core ners
12:37
nerds
12:37
<cliebow>
hah
12:37
<bip_>
say u can learn c reading it ...
12:37
i don t think so ...
12:37
but it s a fact
12:38
i m a soft core nerd ;-)
12:38
<cliebow>
not me..yet.. i bulldozed my way through k and r
12:38
<vagrantc>
well, the hardest part is dhcpd configuration ... the rest is really about as simple as described above
12:38
<bip_>
well dhcp i understand a tad ...
12:38
<vagrantc>
except it always breaks.
12:38
i mean, it pretty much always works for me ... but...
12:38
<bip_>
the only issued i had is that i have 2 many dhcp servers in my lan
12:39
<cliebow>
with sbalneav and a cattle prod behind me
12:39
<bip_>
that s why i love the 2 nics setup
12:39
<vagrantc>
yeah, 2 nics is nice.
12:39
<cliebow>
yeah.. i just use alternate port
12:39
<bip_>
it easier to tame to annoyng dhcp offers if u can smneak a gw in between ;-)
12:39
<vagrantc>
it's the simplest way to have something magically configured.
12:39
<bip_>
well
12:39
<cliebow>
yeah.. i just use alternate port and etherboot
12:39
<bip_>
today i discovered that vmware run dhcp on each of its host only interfaces
12:40
so imagine
12:40
<cliebow>
hmmm
12:40
<bip_>
i had suddenly 3 dhcp servers fighting each other
12:40
<cliebow>
oh by
12:40
oh boy
12:40
<bip_>
i want to cry for help in #vmware they tried to bofh me ...
12:41
i fet outraged u cant bofh a bofh come on ;-)
12:41
felt
12:41
now i have a unused nic in this workstation
12:42
if i could send the term serving there i could plug some real machines for testing into this virtual server ...
12:43
<jammcq>
ok kids. shutting down now. See ya'll later
12:43
<bip_>
i need to test some stuff that can t be done with virtual machines
12:43
bye jammcq
12:43
:)
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<bip_>
mmm
12:44
the client just shows a grey background and a X letter
12:44
i guees thoubleshooting isnt over :(
12:44
<vagrantc>
!greyscreen
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "greyscreen" is (#1) No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM, or (#2) No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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<bip_>
:)
12:45
<vagrantc>
at least its a fairly well known problem :)
12:45
<bip_>
ok this is documentation vagrantc
12:45
:)
12:45
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: you are wonderful.
12:45
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
12:45
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: learn you are wonderful as thanks
12:45
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
12:45
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: you are wonderful
12:45
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "you are wonderful" is thanks
12:46
<bip_>
debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d# netstat -anp | grep ":177 "
12:46
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:* 2348/gdm
12:46
debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#
12:47
debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d# ps -e | grep " .dm"
12:47
2348 ? 00:00:00 gdm
12:47
2349 ? 00:00:00 gdm
12:47
debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#
12:50
was the wrok server ip in the lts.conf file
12:50
:)
12:50
<vagrantc>
heh. no need for that sort of problem in ltsp5
12:51
<bip_>
well ...
12:51
but what happen if i do install ltsp5 in a machine already running ltsp4 ?
12:51
<vagrantc>
bad, bad things.
12:51
<bip_>
does it ugrade gracefully ?
12:51
ahhhh
12:51
<vagrantc>
no.
12:52
<bip_>
so should be totally removed before upgrade ?
12:52
<vagrantc>
it's actually very, very poorly handled.
12:52
<bip_>
can t a removel be integrated with ascript into installer ?
12:52
<vagrantc>
yeah, or at least moved aside ... like moving /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4.2
12:52
<bip_>
like i see u have old crap ?
12:52
shall i get rid of it ?
12:53
<vagrantc>
and then you'll need to reconfigure DHCP, tftp and maybe /etc/exports
12:53
you can keep it if you want ... as long as it's not in /opt/ltsp and /var/lib/tftpboot it shouldn't break anything.
12:54
<bip_>
mmm
12:54
sounds like a major headache to me...
12:54
prlly ltsp5 from scratch is saner
12:55
<vagrantc>
see, LTSP 5 (like lessdisks) uses debian/ubuntu/foo packages to build the LTSP environment, whereas LTSP 4.x is essentially it's own linux distribution ... so upgrading from ltsp 4.x to ltsp 5 is like upgrading from redhat to debian
12:55
<bip_>
mmm
12:56
ok
12:56
so better otion for migratin is gettin a fresh clen insttall and work from there right ?
12:56
<vagrantc>
if we're smart, though, you'll then be able to upgrade the LTSP environment at least as well as the distro it's based on can be upgraded.
12:56
clean install might be easy. but i'd hate to break something you have working...
12:57
<bip_>
yeah I like the ltsp 5 approach
12:57
yeah
12:57
<vagrantc>
i do too.
12:57
:)
12:57
<bip_>
maybe sane migratio from 4 to 5 is a good toipic for an howto ...
12:58
but i feel 4 is the ugly working brother now ...
12:58
<vagrantc>
that is a good idea ... well, sane might be hard to produce, but at least a "here's what to expect"
12:58
<bip_>
its ugly but it works
12:58
a soirt of :
12:58
how to move from 4 to 5 w/out doin a clena insytall
12:58
<vagrantc>
yes...
12:58
<bip_>
and w/out burning any bridge behind
12:59
i mean the idea of a dual /opt setup is nic
12:59
<vagrantc>
bip_: well, sounds like you've got a good environment to write up the first docs :)
12:59
<bip_>
if we yeah it s all virtual ...
12:59
i might trash a few vboxes
12:59
but i can eventually get it done
13:00
<vagrantc>
isn't there a simple way to copy virtual machines ?
13:00
<bip_>
the problem is that i have other issuse to fix
13:00
yes
13:00
there is the clone feature
13:00
u can simply clone a vm
13:00
or take snapshots
13:00
<vagrantc>
so you could save it now, and then use that as a basis for exploring the upgrade options when you get a chance
13:00
<bip_>
basically
13:00
u can do anything with em
13:01
yeah i thik i will save ti working setup before trashing it ...
13:01
my issue is ...
13:02
shall i explore ltsp 5 first
13:02
or fix my other issues with 4
13:02
maybe 5 fixes em too
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<vagrantc>
what issues you have left?
13:02
<bip_>
my other issues are:
13:02
fredom of selecting whatever desktop evirionement i want
13:03
<vagrantc>
ltsp 5 has some desktop selection options.
13:03
or, ldm rather.
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<bip_>
2 i need to be able to selcet a very minimal desktop environement w/out the educational apps
13:05
basically i need a ltsp setup with the same freedom of of choice i get if i install linux w/out using ltsp
13:05
then
13:05
then i have other 3 issues to dela with:
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ldap and/or integration of ms machines and/or networks
13:07
then i really love to be able to mixx and match trasparently or almost thin and fat diskless clients
13:07
<vagrantc>
well, you'll have much better luck with ltsp5 for fat diskless clients
13:07
<bip_>
last but not least I need a robust backyup policy maybe even the possibilty of running some monster data protection commercial suites
13:08
i know
13:08
the way it does it with skolelinux is fantastic
13:08
<vagrantc>
selecting your window managers, desktop environments, and applications with plain debian is relatively easy
13:08
<bip_>
beside skolelinux i thjmk does very well the ldap and ms thingie too
13:08
<vagrantc>
the ldap stuff is probably the hardest part of your wishlist
13:09
<bip_>
so at leats 3 of my points r well covered in debian/skolelinux
13:09
i know it is ...
13:09
actually i pondering the possibility of using suse because apparentlu novell is vorking very hard in thta area
13:09
i m torn
13:10
i personally feel better and have more experience with debian
13:10
but i have a need to deliver
13:10
do u know of anybody testing ltsp with suse ?
13:11
i always end in very pioneering areas :(
13:11
<vagrantc>
suse has been a little slow to adopt ltsp5, that's for sure.
13:11
<bip_>
well rh isn t bein much faster i think ...
13:11
<vagrantc>
a little better, i've actually met some of them, and we talked a bunch
13:11
<bip_>
for some reason i think they r playing wait and see
13:12
<vagrantc>
more like "too much other stuff to do"
13:12
<bip_>
have they done any lts5 test vagrantc ?
13:12
<vagrantc>
but i like jammcq's approach ... "you can run ltsp5 on distro X, but it will be built from ubuntu or debian binaries"
13:12
<bip_>
well i m glad ubuntu and debian r leadin the pack
13:12
:)
13:13
<vagrantc>
i think that approach will make them realize how far behind they are, and what a weird situation that puts them in
13:13
<bip_>
what i really like is the option xubuntu edgy alternate cd offers ...
13:13
u just pick isntall ltsp from installer and in 30' u have a working setup
13:13
<vagrantc>
at least in theory, i kind of like xubuntu ... they've taken the parts out of xfce i really didn't like and made it palatable.
13:13
<bip_>
now cant we have this in debian ?
13:14
maybe in lenny ?
13:14
like they added the lvm and crypt stuff into installer ?
13:14
<vagrantc>
definitely should be an option in lenny by default.
13:14
in etch, you'll have to make a cutomized installer
13:14
<bip_>
can we have a ltsp option in the main installer ?
13:14
<vagrantc>
i think so.
13:14
it doesn't add much.
13:14
<bip_>
something thta ask u few questions like :
13:15
do u want ltsp ?
13:15
how manuy nics have u got
13:15
?
13:15
<vagrantc>
yeah, it's there.
13:15
it's just not enabled by default.
13:15
<bip_>
do u want to serve thin annd/or fat clients ?
13:15
what about some ldap and a touch of samba ?
13:15
basically ltsp a la carte
13:16
<vagrantc>
yes, i think this will be very doable for lenny, and possibly with customized etch installers
13:16
<bip_>
but i think betwwen ubuntu and debian it can be done
13:16
<vagrantc>
ubuntu is already a little farther along with that stuff - i haven't merged all the code for it.
13:17
but tey've hardcoded a bunch of stuff :(
13:17
<bip_>
i guess if i wann get involved i need to redd about custom dbian distro and preseeding right vagrantc ?
13:17
<vagrantc>
so it's not very useful in general.
13:17
bip_: sure, that's a good place to go.
13:17
<bip_>
i wonder if i can help with my limited skills ?
13:17
<vagrantc>
well, documentation is always lacking :)
13:17
<bip_>
if i did know a good place were i can start
13:18
<vagrantc>
for the most part, the code is already there, it's just a matter of learning how to set it up.
13:18
<bip_>
well if i get this done
13:18
i will be glad to document it
13:18
<vagrantc>
debian-edu already has a lot of the stuff you're talking about ... we just need to make it less debian-edu specific
13:18
<bip_>
first i will need to documet it
13:18
to be able to replicate it ...
13:18
<vagrantc>
and same for ubuntu ...
13:18
<bip_>
second i will need docs to give to my customers
13:18
well
13:19
i will be happy to cut and paste and reedit existing documetation ...
13:19
i know the code is there ...
13:19
i just wish what there exactly means ;-)
13:19
debian-edu is avery welldone project ...
13:20
but a couple of weeks ago i met a coder whining about code commented in norwegian ...
13:20
now if there is still some of that ...
13:20
would be nice to make it readable for non vikings too ;-)
13:23
ok i m seeing that this server vmware edition doesnt have multiple snapshots and cloning ...
13:24
so maybe i see why this better for production deployement
13:24
while the workstation edition is better suited for devvelopemente and testing ...
13:24
u know what i m planning ?
13:24
i mving to linux my wife office vagrantc
13:25
finally they got the right setting and motivation to migrate
13:25
i have slowly moved em from propritary sappst to open sourece ones
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so now even if they use windows
13:25
they use open office rahre the ms office
13:26
thunderbird instead of outlook
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and firefox rather then IE
13:26
now the only thing missing is adatabase that i m moving into mysql
13:27
but until i m done with the conversion they still need to have access to some windows machines to run this app
13:27
so what i m planning to do is to convert they 2 physical windows machines into virtual vmware machines they will run inside linux ...
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<PMantis>
Man, a bunch of idiots in #asterisk
16:03
hi mistik1
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<mistik1>
hey PMantis
16:06
this blasted ndiswrapper keeps crashing my laptop
16:06* mistik1 hunting for ways around this
16:06
<PMantis>
I don't think the wrapper is the problem... it's the ndis driver
16:06
:-)
16:07
Get another NIC that's direct;y supported by the kernel
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<mistik1>
I used the same driver on my other laptop just fine
16:07
<PMantis>
hmmm
16:07
<mistik1>
easy to say for a desktop
16:07
I think it has something to do with the fact that this laptop is PCIE vs PCI
16:09
<PMantis>
Maybe
16:10
Hey, BTW... I heard Dell is now offering a choice of any Linux distro installed as dual-boot when you buy a new laptop
16:10
<mistik1>
I'm even tempted to purchase linuxant driver set
16:10
<PMantis>
Unconfirmed, though
16:10
<mistik1>
They started that before and quickly backed out
16:11
For about a year Dell was one of the only mainline guys you could buy a Linux installed computer from
16:11
Then they went south on us
16:11
<PMantis>
huh
16:18
<mistik1>
I am so very tired of this
16:18
<PMantis>
We all have these little nagging issues that really bother us
16:18
But anything that locks up the system isn't so little
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<mistik1>
Its not so much that they keep shipping with these broadcom nonsense but its the fact that they blacklist any other cards they dont see in their BIOS so if I even wanted to just change it, I cant
16:23
box wont even boot, unless the MAC match thier whitelist
16:24
<PMantis>
oh, STUPID
16:24
Who does that?/
16:24
<mistik1>
Dell, HP you name it
16:25
<petre>
mistik1: do you know anything about Gadi's oss-alsa sound package?
16:26
<mistik1>
not a thing
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<petre>
rats
16:27
It works great for my PCI sound cards, but breaks my ISA Sound Blaster cards
16:27
<vagrantc>
probably need to set the appropriate MODULE_NN lines
16:28
the module names changed from oss to alsa
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<petre>
I've got SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" in lts.conf and it seems to recognize it
16:29
but then I get a bunch of ALSA errors
16:30
<mistik1>
is sb the name of the correct alsa module?
16:30
<vagrantc>
snd-sb-*
16:30
probably snd-sb8 or snd-sb16
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<petre>
Gadi suggested that a few weeks ago, but when I try that, then it says it doesn't recognize the io= parameter
16:31
<vagrantc>
and if you leave off the io parameter?
16:31
<petre>
I s'pose I could try just taking that parameter out
16:31
hold on, let me try it...
16:35
aha! taking the io and dma parameters out seems to work!
16:37
thanks mistik1 and vagrantc
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<petre>
in hindsight, taking those parameters out seems obvious
16:38
that's why channels like this one are good for thick-heads like me ;-)
16:38
<vagrantc>
heh.
16:38
we've all probably had our moments :)
16:56
<kejava>
anyone here install ltsp-5 on Ubunut Edgy Eft? i have some questions about the differences between ltsp-4.x (what i'm used to) and ltsp-5. Probably been asked here a millions times ...
16:57
is lts.conf file even used anymore?
16:58
btw, I followed the LTSP Quick Install. Very useful;:
16:58
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
16:59
<cliebow>
kejava:most of us are still getting a handle on the new work too
17:00
<kejava>
also, when I ctrl+alt+F1 i get a login prompt but it won't take any user / pass I have on the server..
17:00
cliebow, good, it's very different. i'm not sure I fully understand this new layout
17:01
<cliebow>
regarding last..are you sure the login IS to server?
17:01
or client
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<kejava>
good question, you mean shell or telnet? i'm really not sure. I assume shell coz telnet should work with my user/pass.
17:02
that's one reason why i'm curious about the lts.conf file. the new setup must be using some default settings found ... somewhere.
17:03
<cliebow>
quite sure video settings are autpdetected on boot..quitereliably
17:03
you can add an lts.conf for balky machines
17:04
specifying by mac address in particular i thin i headr
17:04
audio as well.
17:04
sort of like a livecd
17:05
<kejava>
yes, that seems to work quite well. still, I want to tweak mine. just made own lts.conf file a little while ago. doesn't seem to take the SCREEN_nn option very well.
17:06
<cliebow>
only ogra knows..but vagrantc has worked on the debian implementation..he's here
17:06
<kejava>
cliebow, i've done all this before in LTSP-3.x and 4.x. this new version def seems strange.
17:06
<cliebow>
jammcq himself took the weekend trying to get a handle on the
17:07
implications
17:07
<kejava>
have you tried this newer version?
17:08
<cliebow>
ive used a ppc chroot more than the ppc
17:08
but not on production
17:08
more than pc i mean
17:08
<kejava>
cool, has it worked fairly well?
17:09
i tried that new configuration gui called ltsp-manager, doesn't work for me but looks very promising :-)
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<cliebow>
seems to just work...honestly havlnt taken it for a good spin..
17:10
student control panel is truly Cool
17:11
<kejava>
yeah, i heard about that. it allows teachers to control / monitor the student session, right?
17:11
<cliebow>
yeah..much better than my teach2
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<kejava>
just found it in synaptic package manager. installing now. any advice on running it?
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<vagrantc>
kejava: yeah, the SCREEN_NN stuff is a little different. ltsp5 is typically built from packages that the host machine uses (i.e. debian packages on debian, ubuntu packages on ubuntu) .... so some defaults will be inherrited from whatever distro it's based on.
17:15
<cliebow_>
sorry..havnt
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<vagrantc>
kejava: so you need to check if something's using that vtty before assigning a SCREEN_NN to it
17:16
<cliebow_>
vagrantc has far better grasp tha i have
17:17
<kejava>
cliebow, i'm checking out student-control-panel now. looks very good. thanks for the pointer!
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<vagrantc>
kejava: and the default, i think, is to run a getty on the client itself, so you'll be logging into the thin-client if you haven't configured anything, which has no valid logins, by default.
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<kejava>
vagrantc, can i still define a standard lts.conf file with the SCREEN_nn stuff in it?
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<vagrantc>
i think ubuntu frees up a few more of the ttys than debian at this point...
17:18
kejava: sure, you can use many of the options that you normally would. just make sure you're not conflicting with ttys already in use
17:19
kejava: there should be something in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/ explaining the supported options and their values
17:19
<kejava>
hmm, how do i determine what ttys are already in use?
17:19
yep, think i saw that doc section
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<vagrantc>
kejava: boot a system without anything configured and check?
17:21
i think ubuntu switched the init system to upstart, which i'm not familiar with ...
17:21
<kejava>
yep, got that. only have ldm and what looks like a telnet login
17:21
<vagrantc>
kejava: but you might find something in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*upstart*
17:21* vagrantc suspects it's a local getty and not telnet
17:23
<kejava>
can't find anything in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*upstart*
17:23
<vagrantc>
sorry, that was just a guess
17:23
<kejava>
no prob
17:23
<vagrantc>
dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -L upstart
17:23
dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -L upstart | grep /etc
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<kejava>
yep i get:
17:24
/etc/event.d
17:24
/etc/event.d/control-alt-delete
17:24
/etc/event.d/sulogin
17:24
<vagrantc>
look around in those files to see what gets started ...
17:25
<kejava>
i'll check it out, thanks
17:25
<vagrantc>
oh ...
17:26
if you configure any SCREEN_NN ldm will not start.
17:26
<kejava>
heh, yeah i noticed that with my custom lts.conf
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<vagrantc>
by default, i think ldm normally ends up as SCREEN_07
17:27
if there are no SCREEN_NN defined
17:27
<kejava>
yes, that's the way it seems
17:27
<cliebow>
bvagrantc:ogra tells me pulse is enabled in feisty;s chroot..but does it take feisty as a serve to make it work?
17:28
<vagrantc>
cliebow_: no idea. i haven't played with pulse yet. supposedly it's at least partially compatible with esd
17:28
cliebow_: so you might be able to run it with other servers using esound
17:28
<cliebow>
my big prob is most of my clients wont load a 2.6 kernelanyway
17:29
<vagrantc>
eeeyk.
17:29
<cliebow>
i have feisty on my laptop..but cant load the kernel i should be..
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<sol>
hello?
17:29
<vagrantc>
hi
17:29
<cliebow>
something about detection of the memory stick slot
17:30
<sol>
hey, not using ltsp technically; however I'm having problems getting firefox/flash 9 to play sound via pulseaudio to a thin client
17:31
<cliebow>
are you using an ltsp chroot?
17:31
<sol>
i'm not using ltsp at all
17:31
<vagrantc>
yeah, well, we're just learning pulseaudio ourselves ...
17:31
<sol>
this is really a pulseaudio question, but nobody on that chanel is responding
17:31
<cliebow>
godfrey..we are having troubles enough just understanding what We have
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<sol>
lol
17:32
ok
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<cliebow>
sol: onl the big guns can answer your question..can you describe your setup in small words?
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<sol>
i can use paplay to play a wav file just fine (although choppy)
17:33
sure
17:33
i configured the pulseaudio server to load the native tcp module
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and can paplay wave files from the other machine just fine
17:34
<cliebow>
so fat clients..?
17:34
<sol>
sort of ya
17:35
the lesser machine has xorg and pulseaudio running
17:35
i simply wanted to display firefox and have flash be able to play sounds as well
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<cliebow>
sol: your best bet is to talk to sbalneav and jammcq tomorrow..they are both wicked busy...
17:36* vagrantc wonders if people understand the meaning of the word "simple"
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<vagrantc>
:)
17:36
<sol>
padsp -s clientname firefox
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didn't do the trick
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<ooglaboogla>
i've just began looking into the ltsp and have installed the ltsp-server-standalone on an ubuntu box, clean server install and added the ltsp-server-standalone and rebooted that server (after setting up the second card for dhcp)
17:43
how do i connect another system to it ?
17:45
<vagrantc>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
17:45
!topics
17:45
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
17:45
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: Factoids search --values
17:45
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', and 'you are wonderful'
17:46
<vagrantc>
!ubuntuquick
17:46
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
17:46
<vagrantc>
ooglaboogla: you basically need to run ltsp-build-client, and possibly configure a couple things.
17:49
gah. this having one full day a week to work on free software projects is getting tiresome :(
17:50
i have barely touched on issues i've been meaning to resolve for weeks.
17:50
<cliebow_>
8`)
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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<cliebow_>
erdinc, hhowdy
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18:03
<mistik1>
*sigh*
18:03
I dont think in 12 years i've even had a linux box crash quite so much
18:05
<cliebow_>
gentoo?
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<mistik1>
broadcom
18:05
<cliebow_>
nic?
18:05
<mistik1>
yep
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ndiswrapper kills me dead
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<cliebow_>
yep..ii never had much luck with it
18:06
<mistik1>
I'm on the native linux broadcom driver now but its like dialup
18:06
but at least it dont crash my box
18:06
<kejava>
vagrantc, i'm digging through the lts-parameters.txt file. i don't have my old lts.conf file lying around. any idea how to specify horizontal and vertical resolution? not in the doc for some reason.
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<vagrantc>
kejava: X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH ... i thnk
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18:07* mistik1 will hack this BIOS yet
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<kejava>
cool, i think that's it. i'll try it out.
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<vagrantc>
i think we just grabbed those from ltsp 4.x ... there are a few variables that we broke backwards compatibility with
18:08
all too many, really.
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<mistik1>
why?
18:08
<kejava>
vagrantc, oops, i meant the resolution. like 800x600 or 1024x768
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<mistik1>
X_MODE_XX
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<kejava>
gotcha
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<mistik1>
vagrantc: I hear you debian guys like to break things ;-)
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<ooglaboogla>
vagrantc: i ran the ltsp_build_client and rebooted
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<vagrantc>
mistik1: no, i blame the ubuntu folks on most of the newly introduced backwards incompatible variable names.
18:13
<mistik1>
hehe
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<vagrantc>
ooglaboogla: you probably need to configure DHCP ... and you usually don't need to reboot everytime you change something.
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<ooglaboogla>
how do i connect to the new server and get a desktop
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<vagrantc>
ooglaboogla: do you have a thin-client booted?
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<ooglaboogla>
no, that is what i,m asking
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<vagrantc>
i didn't understand what you meant by connect ...
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<ooglaboogla>
I have this laptop here and i want it to make use of the ltsp I just built
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<vagrantc>
ooglaboogla: you'll need to configure it to network boot
18:17
ooglaboogla: it has on-board ethernet?
18:17
<ooglaboogla>
is that the only way, its a wireless network card
18:17
<vagrantc>
!wireless
18:17
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
18:17
<vagrantc>
the short answer is ... no ... the long anser is there.
18:18
<ooglaboogla>
can i make a bootcd that will get me there or some other method, (i have ubuntu dual boot on this laptop as well)
18:18
and grub as the bootloader
18:18
<vagrantc>
well, you'll have to hack the initramfs image.
18:19
as far as i know, there's no support for wireless in the initramfs
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<ooglaboogla>
years ago i read something about booting into a ltsp via grub
18:20
<vagrantc>
ooglaboogla: read the documentation in the URL above, it documents everything i know and much much more.
18:20
<ooglaboogla>
well i'm sorry I overlooked the wireless detail, i assumed it would work and I'm not near the ltsp server so i've probably wasted my time with this. i really need a wired connection it seems
18:20
<vagrantc>
well, everything i know on the topic
18:20
yes, that's the short answer
18:20
<ooglaboogla>
i've read it a couple times today, it's in my bookmarks
18:21
what about a bootcd or vmware image
18:21
any links for that method, there's reference to a bootcd on the wireless page you sent me but not much more than a reference to it
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<vagrantc>
i will stop repeating myself.
18:24
<ooglaboogla>
i've got vmware running on here an i could boot an iso or pxeboot image if i had one
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18:31
<ltsppbot>
"kejava" pasted "my sample lts.conf file" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/21
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<kejava>
vagrantc, what do you think of my lts.conf file?
18:32
when i start the client with it, i get the gdm screen but the keyboard won't respond. it's also stuck in 800x600 mode.
18:33
btw, i'm testing with two laptops and a cross over cable.
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<vagrantc>
kejava: remember what i said about SCREEN_NN not conflicting with something running on the same screen? :P
18:34
kejava: and, unless your GDM server is a different machine than your NFS server, you can leave SERVER= out.
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<kejava>
i guess i didn't think it was conflicting ... most likely i didn't really know what you meant.
18:35
ok
18:35
<vagrantc>
kejava: i don't know ubuntu well enough to know for sure what runs by default.
18:35
but i'm pretty sure 01 starts a getty, unless you've manually disabled it.
18:36
on debian 01-06 are in use by default ...
18:36
kejava: ogra is the one who would know what should be free.
18:36
<kejava>
oh, you mean used by default on the server?
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<vagrantc>
no, on the thin-client.
18:37
i know ogra made ltsp-build-client tweak some things a little so there would be more free
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<kejava>
how do i check what is being used on the thin client?
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<vagrantc>
kejava: i would recommend booting it without any SCREEN_NN entries, and seeing what comes up on which tty.
18:37
i gotta go.
18:37
<kejava>
ok, thanks!
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<vagrantc>
i'm pretty sure 01 and 08 are used, not sure about the others.
18:38
<kejava>
i'll try setting the others and see what happens
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<vagrantc>
kejava: you probably want X_MODE_0="1024x768"
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<kejava>
got it
18:39
<vagrantc>
have fun :)
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18:47* erdinc bye aLL..
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<kejava>
good night all
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<jammcq>
howdie
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<PMantis>
Hi jammcq
19:43
<jammcq>
hey
19:43
<petre>
hey there jammcq
19:44
<jammcq>
hey petre
19:48
<petre>
how was your 'code-a-thon' with scotty?
19:49
<jammcq>
twas great
19:49
he should be online shortly
19:50
I just got home
19:50
<petre>
lots of steak & beer?
19:50
<jammcq>
umm, lots of steak, only a couple of beers
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<petre>
so, what was the purpose of the meeting? delving into ltsp 5?
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<mistik1>
Amazing
20:16
The bcm43xx driver in 2.6.21-rc1 is super fast now
20:16
no more fglrx of course but I got my wireless
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<jammcq>
I still need fglrx to get dual-head support
20:19
apparently, it doesn't work with the opensource driver
20:20
<mistik1>
I've not even used the multihead support yet
20:20
<jammcq>
I just started using it
20:20
<mistik1>
But I know the bloody driver does not compile against >2.6.19
20:20
<jammcq>
it's pretty cool, i've got 2 20" 1600x1200 screens, so it acts like 3200x1200
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<mistik1>
yep
20:21
I used it with my old laptop but have not been settled enough to setup anything as yet here
20:22
I'm just glad to have a wireless back that dont lock my machine randomly
20:22
I can do without fglrx for now
20:22
maybe NOT
20:22
hrmm
20:22
Seems AMD just released
20:25* mistik1 fire's off emerge --sync ;)
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<jammcq>
what did AMD just release?
20:37
<mistik1>
a new fglrx driver
20:37
Well newer than I was running
20:38
I do not see anything in the changelog for compiling against 2.6.20 or greater though
20:38
I will certainly test it though
20:38
ls
20:48
blessed day
20:48
<jammcq>
it workie ?
20:48
<mistik1>
The new driver is there and the patch for >=2.6.20
20:48
I've not compiled it yet
20:48
In no hurry
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<jammcq>
ah, great. hopefully, Ubuntu will include it in feisty
20:49
<mistik1>
include?
20:49
<jammcq>
it'll solve a problem for me, letting me upgrade my edgy box to feisty when it comes out
20:49
they have a way of distributing proprietary drivers
20:49
<mistik1>
Does Ubuntu include any of the propriety drivers at all?
20:49
<jammcq>
yes, if you enable the proprietary repository
20:49
<mistik1>
oh
20:49
<jammcq>
it's disabled by default, but you can get it, if you need it
20:49
<mistik1>
cool
20:50
ccherrett was kinda floored the otherday when he could just 'emerge skype'
20:50
hehe
20:51
<jammcq>
what's the version of the fglrx driver?
20:51
<mistik1>
8.34.8
20:51
<jammcq>
hmm, i'm using 8.28 right now
20:52
and there's a goofy problem with xinerama. when the mouse is in the 2nd monitor, it doesn't change shape, when moving over the edges of a window
20:52
<mistik1>
I've been using 33.6 for a while now
20:52
<jammcq>
so you never see the sizing mouse
20:52
<mistik1>
sizing mouse?
20:53
I guess not since I have no idea what you mean
20:53
btw, what card do you have
20:54
<jammcq>
move your mouse to the edge of a window, it changes to have 2 arrows
20:54
<mistik1>
Mine is the troublesome Xpress 200M
20:54
<jammcq>
giving you visual feedback that you can drag the edge of the window
20:54
I've got an X1300
20:54
it's the only 2-port low-profile card for the Dell 745n
20:54
<mistik1>
Yea, my mouse does that
20:55
<jammcq>
your mouse changes?
20:55
<mistik1>
sure
20:55
<jammcq>
that's good. mine does, on the primary monitor
20:55
but not on the 2nd monitor
20:55
<mistik1>
odd behavior
20:56
Why not just upgrade
20:56
<jammcq>
upgrade what?
20:56
the driver?
20:56
<mistik1>
the driver
20:56
<jammcq>
I tried, and that didn't go so well
20:56
<mistik1>
oh
20:56
<jammcq>
the primary monitor dropped resolution to 1280x1024, while the 2nd monitor was still 1600x1200
20:57
<mistik1>
that must look lopsided
20:57
<jammcq>
now that i'm getting more used to the ati drivers, I might try again
20:58
<mistik1>
I've got to lay down for a bit "back pain"
20:58
<jammcq>
k
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20:58* mistik1 so glad this couch is near ;)
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<petre>
time to go
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<kejava>
are certain parameters for the lts.conf non-functional for LTSP-5? I found this page on the edubuntu site:
21:26
https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:18
<sbalneav>
evening all
22:18
heh
22:18
just got home
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<jammcq>
wow, i've been home almost 3 hours
22:19
took me about 3 hrs and 40 mins to get home
22:19
glad to see you made it save-n-sound
22:19
<sbalneav>
Flight was delayed, gosh only knows why, seeing as how the plane they have us came from a hanger.
22:19
<jammcq>
i'm just heading up to bed
22:19
how was the wind?
22:20
<sbalneav>
Wow, pleasant change for you from Thursday, eh?
22:20
<jammcq>
yeah
22:20
<sbalneav>
it WAS a bit hinky on takeoff.
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<jammcq>
welp, talk to ya tomorrow
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<sbalneav>
Headin to bed?
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<mathesis>
i run ltsp-admin ====>>>Configure LTSP and here stop in checking nfs
23:04
can i hel me
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