IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 29 March 2013   (all times are UTC)

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01:00
<warren>
jammcq: where?
01:02
<jammcq>
warren: ?
01:02
<warren>
BTS
01:03
<jammcq>
ah, the usual place
01:03
SW Harbor, Maine
01:03
gonna join us?
01:03
<warren>
oh
01:03
I live a little far from there now
01:03
<jammcq>
well... far is a relative thing
01:03
<warren>
I used to be able to drive there.
01:03
now I can't drive there
01:04
I was so proud of myself when I drove the second time to/back without a GPS or map.
01:04
<jammcq>
heh
01:04
<warren>
Only got 20 miles lost.
01:06
jammcq: is our hackjob of stringing ethernet still working for him?
01:06
what was his name... david?
01:06
<jammcq>
yeah, I think it's all working well
01:06
yes, David Lloyd
01:06
<warren>
Since then the Ubiquiti bridges came out, and I'd use that instead of wiring these days.
01:07
cheap and super reliable point to point links
01:18* Hyperbyte yawns
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07:42
<alkisg>
!learn lan-benchmark as If you have a mixed-speed network (gigabit server<=>switch connection, and 100 Mbits/sec clients<=>switch connections), then you might suffer from the !flow-control issue. To benchmark your LAN with epoptes, see http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/lan-benchmark
07:42
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
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09:26
<ajith>
how to make it boot to all systems having low screen resolution
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10:07
<ajith>
some old systems are unable to boot thru network..How to make them boot
10:07
as thery getting stuck at ubuntu logo and not proceeding further
10:09
<vnc786>
ajith: what is behind ubuntu logo ...says
10:10
<ajith>
nothing dots are runing under ubuntu logo nothing much
10:10
that keeps going on that's not moving further
10:11
some of them also unable to fetch the image too...after assigning the IP they are stucked
10:11
can anyone help me out
10:11
<vnc786>
fat clients or thin clients ?
10:12
<ajith>
thin clients
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12:25
<gvy>
ajith, how much RAM is there?
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13:02
<jammcq>
good morning friends
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14:27
<||cw>
ajith: for systems that don't support PXE on their nic, you can gpxe on a floppy or disk image. you might want to remove "quite splash" from the kernel lines in your pxe config until you have everything stable, this will show kernel boot messages instead of the logo
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17:36
<markit>
hi ppl :) hi alkisg, when using ubuntu and gnome-fallback, do you use nfs or sshfs homes in recent installations? with KDE I'm forced with nfs + async, but don't remember what you suggest for other DE
17:36
<alkisg>
Hi markit
17:36
NFS is better, SSHFS doesn't require setup
17:36
<markit>
I vaguely remember mixed pros and cons, and don't remember if FOLLOW_SYMLINK stuff
17:36
alkisg: but both are working fine?
17:37
<alkisg>
So we've been trying SSHFS in 12.04 as it is the LTSP default
17:37
Yes it appears to work OK, although of course if you're planning on doing fat clients + a lot of video prosessing, then you might want NFS to lower cpu usage..
17:38
<markit>
not the case :)
17:38
I'm helping a friend in a far school, but in this school has a lot of trubles with video card (I suppose) of clients
17:38
geforce 7020 or something like that
17:39
not being an expert, he changes unrelated config making the system a mess :(
17:39
I'm reinstalling from scratch through ssh right now
17:41
he had "failed to load gnome-fallback"
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even if the package was installed and lts.conf properly configured, with other client worked fine
17:47
<alkisg>
12.04 automatically installs the nvidia drivers if the server has nvidia
17:47
That then might cause problems on the clients
17:56
<markit>
AH
17:56
alkisg: so was not using nv by default, but nvidia?
17:56
I told him then to install the proprietary drivers to try to solve
17:57
<alkisg>
markit: you were talking about the client and me about the server
17:57
<markit>
but, following what you say, they were already there
17:57
<alkisg>
So unless he's using ltsp-pnp, those are different things
17:57
But, server-side drivers can cause problems to thin clients
17:57
But not to fat clients
17:57
....need more details...
17:57
<markit>
"server-side drivers can cause problems to thin clients" shocks me
17:58
<alkisg>
Xorg has two components, a server and a client
17:58
<markit>
yep
17:58
<alkisg>
The proprietary nvidia drivers on the server misbehave
17:58
<markit>
and server is the one that "talks" with the video boards
17:59
(thin or fat, in any case the client runs the X-server)
17:59
<alkisg>
Yes, but on thin clients the ltsp server runs the xorg client, and that has nvidia gl libraries which misbehave and might even show the screen upside down or mirrored left/right
18:01
<markit>
"on thin clients the ltsp server runs the xorg client" ? can't understand it
18:01
I thought was in any case running X-org server
18:01
(that talks with local video card)
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(and does the rendering of the image)
18:01
ok ok
18:01
I misunderstood you
18:01
"ltsp server runs the xorg client" correct
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<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/441586
18:02
<markit>
and the xorg client is related with the video driver? strange, but I take note in case I will see that behaviour
18:04
alkisg: btw, on the server of my school, I replaced nvidia board with a radeon one and works fine now even with movies
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18:04
<markit>
when I installed 11.04, was the contrary, lol
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(radeon board had problems)
18:05
is a minefield :(
18:05
<alkisg>
All are... except for most intels, plus the nvidia proprietary
18:06
Let's see if android/MIR will do better wrt drivers
18:06
<markit>
some months ago we were discussing about Wayland and ltsp future
18:06
now Mir...
18:06
<alkisg>
:)
18:07
<markit>
looks the "hurt yourself" saga going on
18:07
<alkisg>
And some time Qt future looks lame
18:07
...and now it's on the frontpage again
18:07
<markit>
and other bright
18:07
yep
18:07
the only rule I've learn so far is
18:07
<alkisg>
On the other hand, windows programs that I've written 20 years ago, still run fine on windows 7
18:07
<markit>
that wichever technology I choose is going to die ;P
18:08
alkisg: windows 8 is here to change that too ;P
18:08
<alkisg>
Nah.. I doubt that
18:08
<markit>
the cloud will obsolete us all
18:08
I've to find a more lasting job I guess
18:08
<alkisg>
The cloud is too far away from here
18:09
Here we still have much sun, no clouds around :P
18:09
<markit>
hehe
18:09
looks like digital photography... all the "old" related job were killed
18:09
<alkisg>
Do you think that the italian ministry of education is going to pay amazon, canonical or whatever else, for cloud processing any time soon?
18:10
<markit>
well, at the moment they are paying M$
18:10
usually ministry of education know nothing
18:10
just feel the smell of M$ money
18:10
<alkisg>
They're buying academic licenses for all schools globally?
18:10
<markit>
no, too cheap
18:10
it's done school by school
18:10
with central programs (from ministry)
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that work ONLY with recent M$Office
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or need M$ 2003 SERVER to run in school offices
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and books with cdroms that run only on M$
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and so on
18:11
next move... digital books
18:12
<alkisg>
People behind ministry offices can understand cdroms and os licenses etc.. I don't think they'll be willing to accept "cloud services" soon...
18:12
<markit>
but for sure with drm and ... you guess? iSomething chained
18:12
hehe, in a region in italy the politician first announced they support Free SOftware
18:13
then made a dael with M$ for moving the IT to Azure platform
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of the public offices of that region
18:13
you figure :(
18:13
Configurazione di epoptes-client (0.5.6-1~precise1)...
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update-rc.d: warning: epoptes-client stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none)
18:13
is it ok?
18:13
<alkisg>
They had a deal with MS here too, for buying cheap products. But after the deal they didn't actually buy the products...
18:13
Yes it's o
18:13
<markit>
(I've seen it before, and epoptes works fine)
18:14
<alkisg>
ok
18:14
<markit>
Phantomas: another task for you ;P
18:15
<alkisg>
No, it's an ubuntu problem
18:15
<markit>
"Parallel mksquashfs: Using 24 processors"
18:15
they have bought a SUPER server, incredible waste of money
18:16
64GB ram
18:16
<alkisg>
Most packages that have initscripts report that mismatch
18:16
Wow... perfect for thin clients
18:16
<markit>
biprocessor...
18:16
yep, 24 clients
18:16
but they will go for fat
18:16
the same model of server in the previous school had problems with ubuntu 32 bit
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but worked fine with the 64 bit version
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is a biprocessor
18:17
dell something
18:17
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5645 @ 2.40GHz
18:18
do you think instaling linux-image-generic-lts-quantal in chroot could help?
18:18
(if available...)
18:27
I've to run, thanks a lot alkisg :) see you
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22:20
<kev_j>
what's the usage for xrandr_output_#? Would I put the display (i.e. DVI-0) or an xrandr command?
22:21
or something altogether different?
22:32
so from what I can tell I'm supposed to put the xrandr variables.. but I don't quite understand... Do I still need to put the "xrandr --output blah --mode blah" and if so how does xrandr_output_0 differ from xrandr_command_0?
22:33
<vagrantc>
i think it's essentially "xrandr --output $XRANDR_OUTPUT_0"
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kev_j: xrandr_command_0, if you know what you're, is more flexible
22:34
if you know what you're doing, or what i'm typing :)
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<kev_j>
heh, thanks, I figured that was what you were trying to say
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vagrantc: if I can't get it to work using xrandr in shell it prolly wouldn't magically work differently by issuing the command through lts.conf? (still having some issues I was asking you about before concerning dual head setup)
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<kev_j>
Not that I am asking you to answer something you already told me you don't know... just asking if you think the xrandr_command or xrandr_output would act differently just because I put it in the lts.conf instead of running the same command in the shell
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<vagrantc>
kev_j: i think you are probably right :)
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<kev_j>
well I will try it just to be sure since I am running out of ideas X-P
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