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Channel log from 29 August 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<Blinny>
After issuing the command in '!disable_compiz', individuals' compiz preferences aren't being persisted across logins when set with Preferences->Appearance. Should they be?
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<alkisg>
No, they shouldn't, the command in !disable_compiz *forces* mandatory settings
13:20
See !restore_compiz to get them back as they were
13:20
<Damianos>
hello alkisg!
13:20
<alkisg>
Then re-run the !disable_compiz command, but with the default settings, not the mandatory path
13:20
Hi Damianos
13:22
<Damianos>
btw...www.raspberrypi.org
13:22
the $25 pc now has a more expensive brother on offer with LAN
13:22
:)
13:23
it's in alpha production so this looks like it will make it to market
13:23
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
13:25
<Blinny>
!disable_compiz
13:25
<ltsp>
Blinny: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
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<Blinny>
So. Run the command in enable_, then run 'gconftool-2 --direct --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity' -- This will have everyone with compiz disabled, but allow for manual enabling. Is this correct?
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<alkisg>
!restore_compiz
13:55
<ltsp>
alkisg: restore_compiz: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components.
13:55
<roasted>
hello!
13:55
<alkisg>
Blinny: this one ^
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<alkisg>
Then, each user can individualy disable/enable compiz from the appearance settings dialog
13:57
If you want to set it to "disabled" as default for new users: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<roasted>
alkisg, seems as if I dug up an active bug you were posting in.
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<Blinny>
alkisg: From what I've seen, t the restore_compiz command immediately restores it for _all_ users, causing some clients to crash again. I want it disabled by default, and enabled for only a few users.
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<roasted>
seems as if running an LTS even has its own downfalls
14:01
as the fix I'm reading about supposedly came in 10.10
14:01
<alkisg>
Blinny: yes, that's what happens with users that have compiz enabled in their settings. You need to erase their settings for the defaults to take effect.
14:02
<Blinny>
alkisg: How do I erase the settings for an account?
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<alkisg>
gconf needs to be running for that account, so you can do it from a login script (e.g. in /etc/xdg/autostart)
14:03
If you don't like that, a file system based approach is: sudo -i; rm /home/*/.gconf/desktop/gnome/session/%gconf.xml
14:03
But that erases all session settings, not only the required_components/metacity
14:03
(usually nothing much there)
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roasted: which one?
14:04
<Blinny>
alkisg: Thank you.
14:05
<roasted>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/505916
14:05
alkisg, I have 2 NICs, 2 labs, and 2 switches, 1 server with LTSP
14:05
clients on one NIC boot fine. clients on the other NIC do not.
14:05
my laptop is trying to boot now and it's caught in a sending discover.... no lease, failing loop
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a quick google brought this up with the -C parameter and all of that talk
14:06
I have 1 switch off each NIC, so it's kind of subnetted that each lab operates on its own section. aka - 10.52.18.X and 10.52.17.X
14:06
18 works, 17 does not
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<alkisg>
And why would that bug only affect one subnet?
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<roasted>
I have no idea.
14:07
<alkisg>
It doesn't sound like it's that bug that affects you
14:07
<roasted>
think it's not that bug?
14:07
hmm
14:07
thought I was on to something, too
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<alkisg>
Same switches?
14:08
<roasted>
same model, yes
14:08
identical
14:08
<alkisg>
Same clients?
14:08
<roasted>
as in same hardware clients?
14:08
<alkisg>
Yes
14:08
The nic, in particular
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<roasted>
yes, with the exception of my laptop whom I'm using to test in the server room now.
14:09
which has worked with LTSP testing in the past
14:09
both NICs are identical on the server
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<alkisg>
Btw I thought you had 10.10, not 10.04...
14:10
<roasted>
that was in the past
14:10
this year I brought hte server to an LTS and figured it'd be safer
14:10
buuuut I'm not having the same luck with 10.04 as I had with 10.10
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<alkisg>
So anyway if the clients in .17 have the same NICs as the clients in .18, that shouldn't be the bug that affects you
14:10
See your dhcp server logs, try with gpxe on the clients, try with ipappend 3 etc
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<roasted>
I was thinking along the same lines. But it was so similar to what I was seeing I wasn't sure what to think.
14:13
I almost wonder if I should swap the NICs
14:13
plug the 17 to 18, 18 to 17
14:13
that way if 18 begins to tank it could be a switch issue
14:13
and not the server at all
14:16
eh nevermind. not that easy since the switches are configured directly for those subnets
14:16
oh, also, I can't check dhcp server logs because I'm using windows for dhcp....
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<roasted>
hi
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<alkisg>
roasted: try with gpxe or with a live cd, you'll see if it's a udhcpc problem or not
14:19* Hyperbyte waves back :)
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<roasted>
alkisg, looks more like its a vlan issue with a recent network change we had.
14:55
alkisg, thanks for your help, Ill keep looking
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<jammcq>
Gadi !!!!
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<Gadi>
jammcq!
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<jammcq>
Gadi: you've already made your travel plans for BTS, right?
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<Gadi>
lol
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<Gadi>
!disable-compiz
15:25
<ltsp>
Gadi: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
15:32
<monteslu>
heya jammcq , long time no talk
15:33
I'm starting all over with another kid, and doing ltsp all over again
15:33
having fun so far
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<alkisg>
!disable_compiz
15:34
<ltsp>
alkisg: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
15:34
<alkisg>
OK, the dot at the end is gone
15:35
I can't find a setting to remove the "username:" in front though
15:35
<kusznir>
Hi all: I'm having issues with my ubuntu 11.04 LTSP server and evince. It keeps failing to open, and it provides a warning about "None of the autnetication protocols specified are supported" when launched from an xterm. This happened with a fresh, clean Ubuntu 11.04 amd64 install, specifically for ltsp. I've applied updates, but nothing seems to have addressed it, and googling indicates this is not a common problem.
15:36
I'm guessing due to the x auth indication that this is something related to ltsp...
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<alkisg>
If it runs when you sit at the server, and it doesn't run if you sit at a thin client, then it's LTSP related, otherwise nope...
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<kusznir>
alkisg, this is a system without a head; can't test.
15:42
(Xen DomU)
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All other apps work fine, though; so far, its only evince that has failed. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling it, but no success.
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<alkisg>
kusznir: you can test with vnc, xdmcp, ssh -X, freenx, and other remote access methods
15:44
No need for a physical screen
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<kusznir>
Hmm..ssh -X doesn't work.
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<gvy>
ssh -Y
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<alkisg>
So it's not LTSP related :) Do you have your user's homes in some remote file system, e.g. NFS?
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<kusznir>
alkisg: yes, users are nfs-mounted
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gvy: I tried ssh -XY; didn't work.
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<alkisg>
kusznir: try creating a user with a non-nfs home, e.g. in /nonnfshome/username
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<kusznir>
alkisg: that works. Is there a known issue/workaround for nfs-homes?
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<alkisg>
kusznir: evince works for me with nfs, so it might be a problem with some specific nfs options that you use. Try asking in #nfs or in your distro channel as it's not ltsp related...
16:05
<kusznir>
Ok, thanks for helping me trace it down!
16:05
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<kusznir>
alkisg, found the problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/778638
16:16
Short version: apparmour.
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<pscheie>
jammcq!
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<gvy>
kusznir, YHBA that is...
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(you have been apparmored)
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<kusznir>
Yea, apparmour seems to cause way too many problems...I remember having to disable it completely on earlier versions of ubuntu to get anything useful done...
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<alkisg>
Fun. I didn't know apparmor could cause such long hangs, /me will keep that in mind...
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<jammcq>
pscheie: hey
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<[GuS]>
Hi guys, today was trying to install LTSP5 (gentoo) and i have this problem with ldminfod package: http://pastebin.com/P8egxsZG something changed in the repo?
16:54
<pscheie>
jammcq, I think I'm going to come out for BTS this year.
16:55
<jammcq>
oh that would be great
16:56
<pscheie>
usually such ideas occur to me a month after the event; but this time I thought of it beforehand.
16:57
<jammcq>
well... just do it
16:57
<pscheie>
Any other people "representing" the RH/Centos/K12Linux implementation going to be there?
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<jammcq>
it's coming up in like 8 weeks
16:57
hmm, dunno
16:57
I need to invite eHarrison
16:57
haven't talked to him in a while
16:57
<pscheie>
yes, that would be great
16:58
Warren is back in HI, I think starting grad school soon, probably won't have the $ to travel.
16:58
<jammcq>
oh wow
16:58
has he left Redhat?
16:58
<pscheie>
Yes, went back to HI to help out his folks
16:59
I think he said he's going for an MBA for grad school.
16:59
<jammcq>
he's a smart kid
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<pscheie>
Is Trask expected to show up?
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<jammcq>
he'll do well I think
16:59
I hope trask comes. I tried emailing him, but haven't heard back
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<pscheie>
I've got my flight picked out (I'll book it tonight when I get home). I'll get into Bangor around 4pm
17:00
stgraber said I can catch a ride with him.
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<jammcq>
ah, great
17:00
4pm on thursday?
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<pscheie>
yes.
17:01
<jammcq>
cool
17:01
dunno what time we'll arrive yet
17:01
<gvy>
wish I could meet you all folks
17:01
<pscheie>
and actually, he's just riding w/ mgariepy & highvoltage
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<jammcq>
we've got an adventure in Philly, then NYC before hand
17:02
<pscheie>
When are you going to plan another hackfest on the west coast in Portland?
17:02
<jammcq>
hmm, dunno. but we can definitely talk about it at BTS
17:02
<pscheie>
I want to have an excuse to go see the Free Geek out there.
17:02
<jammcq>
I'm always up for a trip out west
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<pscheie>
get a chance to meet vagrantc face to face
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is ogra coming?
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<jammcq>
dunno. he seemed interested but I haven't talked to him lately about it
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<pscheie>
gvy, where are you?
17:12
<gvy>
kiev, ukraine
17:12
and we're running local floss conference oct 1st :)
17:13
<pscheie>
yes, that would be a bit of a commute :-(
17:13
cool!
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<pscheie>
jammcq, should we, that is I, email the Seawall Hotel directly about a room?
17:31
I can't remember how I did it last time.
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<jammcq>
no, unless you need something special
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<pscheie>
no, I don't. So, how do we book rooms, then?
17:34
<jammcq>
as we get closer to bts, I'll gather up all the names and try to figure out who is rooming with who, and then I'll talk to David at the seawall
17:34
basically, he'll give us the whole place if we need it
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<pscheie>
Well, we *are* the only ones there by that time of year.
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<jammcq>
yeah, usually, there's a stray person or two that shows up
17:35
but for the most part, it's only us
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<pscheie>
Ok, I'll put my name on the wiki as soon as I get my flight booked.
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<Blinny>
!disable_compiz
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<ltsp>
Blinny: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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