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Channel log from 2 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<feinbein>
hi, anyone there?
00:44
<daduke>
feinbein: hi!
00:55
<feinbein>
has anyone managed to get rdesktop screen-script to work such as one can switch between the two 'worlds' ?
00:56
meaning linux ltsp-client on Crt-Alt-F7 and rdesktop-session on Crt-Alt-F6
00:57
i manage to get either one working but not both
01:00
[DEFAULT]
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RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16" RDP_SERVER = login.xxx.xxx SCREEN_07 = ldm SCREEN_06 = rdesktop
01:00
this should be the way to go? (not all in one line off course)
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<generic>
hi,would anybody knows how to mount local hard disk to ltsp thin client????
02:47
i m using Ubuntu 8.04 platform
02:47
<daduke>
generic: you need ltspfs* and the fuse voodoo
02:48
generic: LOCALDEV = True in lts.conf
02:48
<generic>
ok,plz tell me how to
02:48
<daduke>
generic: I just did ;)
02:51
generic: ltspfs on the terminal server, ltspfsd on the client file system, modprobe fuse on the server, add <user> to the fuse group.
02:52
<generic>
ok ,wait
02:53
<johnny>
you don't need LOCALDEV=T
02:53
it's default
02:54
<daduke>
johnny: just making sure he hasn't set it to false...
03:16
<generic>
I m using this path "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" but there is no line such LOCALDEV=T,plz tel me path,where it is set as default,i add user with fuse ,what about modprobe?
03:17
i m comming in 30 min
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03:24
<johnny>
you do't need to use that LOCALDEV
03:24
if ot doesn't work.. it's something else
03:24
there's a debug localdev howto on the ubunu wiki
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<exodos>
yesteday we made upgrade from ltsp-client-core 5.0.39 to 5.0.39.1
04:18
now we can't login anymore from our clients
04:20
how to fix it?
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<generic>
how i can access local hard drives in ltsp client? i m using guide from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev,but still have problems,please tell me step by step to make it successful
07:42
plz tell me ??
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<Blinny>
generic: I'm not sure that is officially supported in LTSP5 yet.
07:55
generic: I think it's probably possible but would require some hacks by you to get it working.
07:55
<generic>
what do you mean by hackd?
07:56
<Blinny>
generic: I may be wrong, but I don't think it's something you can just add a line to a config file and have it work.
07:56
generic: What distro/version are you running?
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<generic>
ltsp 5
07:57
Ubuntu 8.04 server
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<ogra>
we had local HDs in by default in the beginning but due to heavy pushing from debian-edu that feature was ripped out
07:58
yu need to hack up the add/remove_fstab_entry scripts in ltspfsd to get that back, look in the debian BTS, there are some bugs that describe the changes
08:02
<Blinny>
Thanks ogra - I wasn't sure 'bout this.
08:02
<generic>
what changes i made in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/50-ltspfsd.rules
08:04
<ogra>
essentially it should suffice to change that line: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k"
08:04
and drop the removable bit
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<generic>
how to drop removable bit in ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k"
08:16
??
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<generic>
plz tell me how to mount local Hardrives in Ltsp Client
08:21
/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ltspfs_mount ??
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<jammcq>
g'morning friends
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<moquist>
morning there, sir.
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<jammcq>
hey, O Quist
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<Vince-0>
:-)
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<daduke>
hey all. How can I set the default screen in lts.conf? I have screen_07=ldm and screen_08=rdesktop, however the thin client switches to 8 (rdesktop) every time the Windows login window restarts - how can I force it to show the ldm unless I manually switch to screen8? thanks.
09:38
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Hi, Jim... How do you do?
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<jammcq>
hey
09:42
Guaraldo: i'm fine, how are you?
09:43
<Vince-0>
can any1 please tell me how to apply this dictionary.py patch at : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/92660
09:43
(im getting blank ltsp-manager window and thats the closest I've come to a fix)
09:45
<Gadi>
daduke: are you on ltsp5 and what distro?
09:45* Gadi waves to jammcq
09:46
<jammcq>
hey Gadi
09:49
<Vince-0>
is there a way to manually create ltsp client logins ? ( like chroot to the env etc?)
09:50
<Nubae>
manually?
09:50
<Vince-0>
yar ltsp-manager is effed
09:51
thin-client manager is effed
09:52
(tryin to fix dictionary.py and ltsp-manager from what i can gather from bug reports
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<Vince-0>
OH YES! finally some progress: I can now see the ltsp-manager window whoot!
09:57
bleh, no user account managment
09:59
<Nubae>
what distro?
09:59
<Vince-0>
ubuntu 8.04 64bi
09:59
<ogra>
doesnt matter, ltsp manager is a mockup, it has never had any backend
09:59
<Vince-0>
oh damn, im doomed
09:59
<ogra>
what kind of users would you want to maintain ?
10:00
its not actually a normal usecase to have any users on the client root
10:00
<Vince-0>
just the call centre users - thin clients who need just a web browser
10:00
<Nubae>
so just chroot in and create teh accounts
10:00
<ogra>
sessions run on the server
10:00
<Nubae>
really... sounds like kiosk mode
10:01
<ogra>
if you really think you need any users in the chroot, do what Nubae said, chroot into the client root, create your users and re-roll the image
10:01
<Vince-0>
Nubae: thats what i thought - chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ and useradd and whatever..
10:01
hmm, true - Ill give it a go
10:02
<ogra>
what would you do with these users ?
10:02
<Vince-0>
just get their logins to work - just for a web browser
10:02
<Nubae>
y not use the kiosk plugin
10:02
ltsp-build-client --kiosk
10:03
<ogra>
which doesnt need local users either :)
10:03
<Vince-0>
okok , kiosk sounds good - ill try em now
10:03
thanks guys !
10:03
<ogra>
it has a virtua local kiosk user
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<Nubae>
tied to the hostname'
10:03
?
10:03
like guest login?
10:03
<ogra>
but generally the only thing that counts for ltsp is the users *on the server*
10:04
unless you do something manual to set up a fat client
10:04
which isnt supported by default yet
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<Nubae>
will be intrepid ;-)
10:04
in intrepid even
10:04
<Vince-0>
yeah kinda - the end goal is to get a click button from a web page - dial to an asterisk pbx and have the call on an assinged viop handset
10:04
fyi
10:05
<ogra>
right, tat would need localapp support which isnt implemented yet
10:05
(and wont need local users either in the desired implementation :) )
10:05
<Nubae>
from a security perspective, that is of course much better
10:06
<ogra>
as well as from a maintenance perspective :)
10:06
<Nubae>
well, ldap would be identical
10:06
<Vince-0>
yar, thats what i thought - need local apps to have that kind of functionality -
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<ogra>
Nubae, nope. ldap wouldnt be identical
10:07
you would have to maintain an ldap server and client setups
10:07
<Vince-0>
whats the option for lts-build-client to have it read from file://cdrom ?
10:07
<Nubae>
client setups? why the plural?
10:07
<ogra>
--mirror file:///cdrom
10:07
(note the three slashes)
10:08
<Vince-0>
thank you
10:08
<Nubae>
but yeah, ok... point was once ldap is installed it also doesnt require maintennc
10:08
but ldap server is not an easy install yet
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<Blinny>
Yuck.
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<Blinny>
Someone needs to tell the bash autocompletion team to settle down, have a beer and stop messing with (what was) a good thing.
10:20
<Vince-0>
*maybe its not beer
10:22
<Blinny>
Why in the hell, when I'm trying to scp a local file to a remote server, does my autocomplete of the local filename get stopped by trying to suggest ads.multimediahappyfriendzonedotcomdotlove.crap ??!
10:24
<laga>
Blinny: how do you reproduce that?
10:25
scp a<TAB>
10:25
?
10:25
<Blinny>
laga: Yeah.
10:25
<laga>
doesnt work here on hardy
10:25
<Blinny>
or tab-tab b/c there are usually hundreds of matches.
10:25
I'm using Hardy.
10:25
(not that exact hostname, of course)
10:25
<ogra>
doesnt do anything for me
10:25
just a terminal beep
10:26
<laga>
akregator: making boring lectures enjoyable
10:26
<ogra>
heh
10:26
<Vince-0>
aak what is this busy box thing?
10:26
<Nubae>
well there needs to be a file with a in it
10:27
otherwise you'll get a beep indicating there is no file starting with a ;-)
10:27
<ogra>
laga, that doesnt seem to be bash-completion though, but command-not-found
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<ogra>
did you actually have it like: scp <localfile> a<tab>
10:27
?
10:28
Vince-0, the shell used in initramfs ... you usually get dropped to it if something with dhcp or nfs/nbd is wrong
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<Nubae>
almost always another dhcp server on the network, or wrong image (i386 instead of 64 bit)
10:29
<Blinny>
I have a file named mas_import.php
10:29
<Vince-0>
bleh, more to work on - thanks Nubae
10:30
<Blinny>
I do "scp ma<tab><tab>" and I get Display all 128 possibilities? (y or n) with "matches" like this: macdailynews.us.intellitxt.com:
10:30
I guess I'm just complaining about autocompletion precedence.
10:30
<ogra>
Blinny, and are you sure you dont have such subdirs ?
10:31
<Vince-0>
so ogra, Nubae : you think to have a web page dial to asterisk and place call on voip phone there must be local apps ?
10:31
<Nubae>
u could install a fat client
10:31
but it requires some work and knowledge of how ltsp works
10:33
<Blinny>
ogra: root@www:~# updatedb && locate macdaily
10:33
root@www:~#
10:33
<Vince-0>
hmm, what if the web page told asterisk what to dial and what voip phone to connect the call to (say an agent login on the site)
10:33
<Blinny>
ogra: I'm not asking you to fix this (; just needing to bitch & moan a bit.
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<Blinny>
It's specific to ssh commands; vi doesn't do it.
10:34
However, I don't have any ssh stuff in /etc/bash_completion.d/ so I'll need to try to extricate it from /etc/bash_completion somehow.
10:35
<ogra>
Blinny, hmm, it seems to dig your history
10:36
<Blinny>
history |grep mac doesn't display any macdailynews stuff.
10:36
Admit it; I'm special.
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<Nubae>
Vince-0: localapps sound ideal for that situation, but you can do it with a low fat client too
10:38
<Vince-0>
lol low fat
10:38
<Nubae>
I'm working on a fatclient plugin which should be finished in a couple of days... but if you are impatient... check here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
10:38
<Vince-0>
niiice !
10:39
<Nubae>
in fact... the existing plugin on that page will suit you just fine
10:39
as you dont really need synching of users in your case...
10:39
will you have roaming desktops?
10:40
<Vince-0>
ok, i understand - no no roaming desktops
10:40
i just need a browser - was hoping it could be done on a thin client w/o local apps
10:40
but ill speak to the asterisk progger guy
10:40
<Nubae>
ok... so just install the plugin, add the user and away you go
10:40
<ogra>
you need a pretty big office for that ... and a safe place for your employees ... using roaming desktop can be dangerous !
10:41
<Vince-0>
thanks Nubae - ill check it out -
10:46
I've tried to download edubuntu cds - but it just points me at the usual ubuntu cd downloads - is there a difference ?
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<johnny>
it's an addon cd in hardy
10:46
<Vince-0>
ok thought so
10:47
that has ltsp managment guis
10:47
<johnny>
not really
10:47
there is no ltsp management gui that i know of
10:47
<Vince-0>
ltsp-manager
10:47
thin client manager
10:47
<johnny>
that's for ltsp 4.2
10:47
<Vince-0>
oh damn
10:47
<Nubae>
yeah, not needed anymore
10:47
<johnny>
err ltsp-manager is for 4.2.. it doesn't work
10:47
thin client manager is really just a class room manager
10:48
<ogra>
johnny, both are for ltsp5 :)
10:48
<johnny>
and it's not used in hardy by default, italc is recommended
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<johnny>
ogra, am i thinking of some other package?
10:48
<ogra>
but ltsp-manager was never finished, its only gui, no backend
10:48
<Blinny>
Wasn't it called student- something?
10:48
<johnny>
still is
10:48
<ogra>
there was a script in ltsp 4 that sounded similat to ltsp-manager
10:48
<johnny>
aha
10:48
<Vince-0>
i seee now
10:49
no wonder it doesnt work properly
10:49
<johnny>
thin-client-manager is unmaintained
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<johnny>
the x11vnc stuff doesn't work
10:49
<Nubae>
ital is better anyway
10:49
italc
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<johnny>
but i still use it for simple disconnection and message passing
10:50
which is all we need
10:50
is to tell people to get off the computers
10:50
i had to blank the screen on an irate customer once
10:50
he got banned from the store for a month
10:50
<Nubae>
heh, didnt he get even moer irate after that?
10:50
<johnny>
yeah.. but he left of his own accord
10:50
and came back and apologized to me
10:51
<Vince-0>
lol
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<johnny>
there was a bug in a network driver that was droppin connects after awhile, and he was whining to people about it being my fault
10:52
cuz he was tryin to run his ebay business from our public internet terminals
10:52
and he was tryin to snipe bids
10:53
so disconnects were not good for that :)
10:54
<Blinny>
heh
10:56
<Vince-0>
problem : any user account i make in the ltsp/i386 environment doesnt work at thin client login - i've updated images
10:57
<johnny>
you don't create it there
10:57
they come from the server accounts..
10:59
<Vince-0>
oh, lol - then that didnt work either - tomorrow is another day - !
10:59
thanks for the help guys ! enjoy the rest of the day
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exit
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<feinbein>
hi, does anyone know which file logs startup of the clients in ltsp5/Hardy?
11:17
<ogra>
if you enable remote access to syslog on the server (add -r to the options in the file in /etc/default/) it will be logged in the servers /var/log/syslog file
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<feinbein>
I dont seem to get rdesktop and ldm to work at the same time on Ctrl-ALT-F7 resp. Ctrl-ALT-F6
11:18
<ogra>
apart from that there is dmesg, Xorg.0.log and ldm.log directly on the client
11:19
<feinbein>
but how do i access those files while I am trying to debug client start.
11:19
i dont even get to the ldm or rdesktop screen
11:23
as soon as I use SCREEN_06 = rdesktop in lts.conf i get mtrr: your processor doesn't support write-combining
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<Gadi>
feinbein: if you ctrl-alt-f1 - do you get alogin prompt?
11:26
<feinbein>
no, just get a grey blinking screen showing up and then going away again...
11:27
can login at all - not grafical (ldm) nor terminal
11:27
<Gadi>
how about without SCREEN_06=rdesktop
11:27
can you ctrl-alt-f1?
11:28
<feinbein>
i shall try, hold on a second
11:29
i have emptied all entries in lts.conf now.
11:30
but still cant get a terminal on ctrl-alt-f1, but now i get ldm-login on f7 as usual
11:30
<Gadi>
what kind of thin client is this?
11:30
what video chipset?
11:30
<feinbein>
could thios be because of running all in a VMware-env?
11:30
as i said. server and clients running in VMware
11:31
<Gadi>
ah
11:31
<feinbein>
just testing ;-}
11:31
<Gadi>
that shouldnt be a problem
11:31
can you rm lts.conf
11:31
<feinbein>
ldm login works like a treat and rdesktop or tsclient work from the clients after login
11:31
<Gadi>
rather than having an empty one
11:32
also: ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d
11:32
hmm..
11:32
if thats where it is still located...
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<feinbein>
sure, I ll try that
11:34
<Gadi>
what distro are you on?
11:34
<feinbein>
s /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d ldm rdesktop rdesktop~ shell startx telnet
11:35
Ubuntu Hardy 8.04
11:35
<Gadi>
are you editing the rdesktop script?
11:35
<johnny>
eventually it will be /usr/share/ltsp for ltsp..
11:35
not /usr/lib..
11:35
in intrepid i imagine
11:35
<feinbein>
i tried, but it didnt help
11:35
<Gadi>
johnny: just to be annoying, right ;)
11:35
<alkisg>
feinbein, post your lts.conf
11:36
<johnny>
Gadi, if you say so :)
11:36
<Gadi>
then, in intrepid+1 we can move it again - and then write a script to find it
11:36
:)
11:36
<alkisg>
the screen with the cursor going out must be rdesktop not connecting
11:36
<feinbein>
thats empty right now, bc i tried to get a root login on Crtl-Alt-f1
11:37
<Gadi>
feinbein: if you edited rdesktop, please paste that too
11:37
also, : sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
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<feinbein>
ill be back i a sec just firing up xchat within vm
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<feinbein>
hio i am back
11:38
just posting on pastebin...
11:40
http://pastebin.com/d36fe9865
11:40
rdesktop
11:40
<alkisg>
feinbein, if you have problems with ctrl+alt+f1, you should first settle that..
11:40
chroot, passwd, ltsp-update-image, try to login as root
11:41
<Gadi>
alkisg: he said he doesnt get a login prompt
11:41
at least i think he did
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<feinbein>
http://pastebin.com/m5bd347e
11:42
lts.conf
11:42
<alkisg>
I'll be back in a while... :)
11:43
<Gadi>
feinbein: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
11:44
<feinbein>
do i have to exec ltsp-update-image in the chroot? that explains it maybe...
11:44
<Gadi>
no
11:44
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
11:45* Gadi guesses you have no rdesktop in your chroot
11:45
<feinbein>
http://pastebin.com/d719f0256
11:45
<Gadi>
in which case a: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install rdesktop; sudo ltsp-update-image
11:45
would be in order
11:45
<feinbein>
rdesktop is installed. it works when i log in via ldm
11:45
<Gadi>
ldm uses rdesktop on the server
11:46
you are trying to run rdesktop on the client
11:46
you need to: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
11:46
on the server
11:46
not just dpkg -l rdesktop
11:46
<feinbein>
i did that. i am in the chroot
11:47
<Gadi>
ah ok
11:47
but, just to be clear: when you launch rdesktop from an ldm session, rdesktop runs on the server not the client
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<Gadi>
SCREEN_06 = rdesktop tells the client to run rdesktop full screen
11:48
try changing it to SCREEN_08=rdesktop
11:49
<feinbein>
just executing what you said. then Ill try screen_08
11:50
<Gadi>
okey dokey - brb
11:50
<feinbein>
takes a while with the image -shall have a cig meanwhile...
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11:54
<lns>
Gadi!
11:54
I just got 6 shiny new Koolu TCs in, all with Geode chipsets.
11:54
<laga>
gimme gimme
11:55
<lns>
;) laga
11:55
I'll hopefully be bringing them onsite tomorrow
11:56
today i'm going to upgrade to Hardy remotely =p
11:56* lns loves being dangerous
12:01
<feinbein>
ok, now i get rdesktop login on F8 but can change to F7 to have ldm
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12:02
<brian__>
Hey guys, I have what i think is a quick question...
12:03
<lns>
!question
12:03
<ltspbot`>
lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
12:06
<brian__>
I am running 2008 64 bit mandriva. i loaded ltsp 4.2 and configured it but im having problems picking up the broadcast from a client. i disabled firewalls and isolated the network. When adding it by the IP it will come to a blank screen with a X for the mouse...
12:06
<alkisg>
´╗┐feinbein, RDP_SERVER = login.xxxxx.xx => try to put IP instead, are you sure dns is ok on the clients?
12:07
<feinbein>
dns is just fine. i just managed to log in to the server. but then i can not switch to ldm login on f7
12:08
or rather i want come back to f8 afterwards
12:09
<lns>
brian__, sorry - I'm not sure about Mandriva/ltsp4.2
12:09
<feinbein>
meaning i get rdesktop login to my win2003 server, can login but if go to another terminal via crtl-alt f7 and login to ldm i cannot come back to the rdesktop screen
12:10
i reckon the problem lies with vmware test- setup
12:11
<brian__>
ok, thanks....Im going to reload ltsp...
12:12
<alkisg>
with virtualbox it worked just fine...
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<feinbein>
well, the ldm login works just fine - it would just be nice to be able to use both worlds on the same machine without reboot
12:13
if I start tsclient/rdesktop after ldm-login in fullscreen I cant use alt-tab to switch to other applications
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<feinbein>
which brings us to thinclients with 2 monitors ;-}
12:20
still another problem is that I never seem to get a console-login on Ctrl-Alt-F1
12:21
<johnny>
you shouldn't
12:21
you should set SCREEN_02=shell
12:21
if you want a shell
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<feinbein>
johnny: just trying that...
12:24
no shell - just a black screen
12:24
<johnny>
you broke it
12:25
<feinbein>
just to be sure - do i have to update the image everytime i change lts.conf?
12:26
<Blinny>
feinbein: only if the lts.conf is in /opt/ltsp/{ARCH}/etc -- if in new default location (/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/{ARCH} tree) then no.
12:26
<feinbein>
yeah i know - i break everything... The Lady keeps saying that, too
12:26
it lies in /var/...
12:27
<Blinny>
...then no need to update.
12:27
<johnny>
i wonder if it has anything to do with the hardy ltsp-build-client creating an expired root user..
12:27
<feinbein>
do i have to set a password for root? so far i just had a sudo user
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<feinbein>
strange thing is, when i start the client i get a working rdesktop login on F8 now, but when i try to get to F2 (shell) i get a black screen
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<feinbein>
when i go to F7 i get ldm but I cannot come back to rdesktop on F8. Isn't that weird?
12:34
<johnny>
no
12:34
it's normal
12:34
<feinbein>
???
12:34
<johnny>
if you're in X , you have to use ctr+alt+f8 to get there
12:34
<feinbein>
you mean its technically impossible what i am trying here?
12:34
<johnny>
you have to add ctrl+
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<feinbein>
thats what i meant off course. I just used the short version to describe my problem
12:36
but i use Crtl-Alt-F2, resp. Crtl-Alt-F7 and Crtl-Alt-F8 just as I would on my normal linux-box
12:36
<johnny>
hmm.. it should work..
12:36
<feinbein>
it doesnt...
12:37
<johnny>
perhaps the video driver is broken..
12:37
<feinbein>
as i said ithing its the vmware-setup. Ill try with my laptop
12:41
cool, i can get a login on c-a-F2 and switch back to c-a-F7 again on my laptop
12:41
<alkisg>
feinbein, what's the vmware hotkey for alt+ctrl? right ctrl?
12:41
<feinbein>
alkisg: i switch that to crtl-shift-alt to get it out of the way
12:42
<alkisg>
maybe the problem is on the hotkey?
12:43
<feinbein>
but c-a-F8 comes back now with a long error message. failed module-X11-xsmp
12:43
<alkisg>
e.g. X intercepts some combinations, and vmware is unaware...
12:43
<feinbein>
yes but why can i switch to ldm then?
12:44
<alkisg>
Maybe it only intercepts *some* keystrokes...
12:44
<feinbein>
i thing the problem lies with video driver for vmware
12:44
<alkisg>
E.g. Alt+Ctrl+Shift+F7 might mean something, but +F2 not...
12:44
<feinbein>
rather vice-versa then?
12:45
just checking hotkey setup in vmware
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<feinbein>
how do i get to the xorg.log of the clients?
12:48
from the server?
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<tempb0y>
hi all
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<tempb0y>
being pressured into using ms office apps. i currently have ltsp setup with about 10 clients
13:35
<johnny>
they are willing to pay the licensing fees ?
13:35
<tempb0y>
how can i incorporate ltsp and 10 clients with new windows server that was just purchased? i really don't want to deploy full blown desktop :(
13:35
yes. they are aware of fees
13:35
<johnny>
there's rdesktop in ltsp
13:36
<tempb0y>
but we only have one dell server though that will run server 2008
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<tempb0y>
err, make that 2003
13:36
<johnny>
if it has terminal server client licenses, it'll work
13:37
<tempb0y>
that is the bit i do not understand. you see ltsp is simple install it configure clients for pxe boot and ur done
13:37
<johnny>
terminal server licenses + ms office fees
13:37
<lns>
tempb0y, you can either go the m$ terminal server route (i'd recommend in a virtual machine) or crossover office
13:37
<johnny>
tempb0y, just set the lts.conf to rdesktop..
13:37
<tempb0y>
johnny or lns you all ever setup terminal server ?
13:37
<johnny>
somehow
13:37
no
13:38
you're gonna have to look up the windows side yourself
13:38
<tempb0y>
so terminal server is just to share applications? not the entire windows gui?
13:38
<lns>
tempb0y, yeah..i'm in the middle of a big issue with doing MS terminal server 2003 at 5 sites
13:38
tempb0y, if i were you i'd really opt out of installing win2k3 server, even in a VM..it's just too much money
13:38
and headache
13:38
you have to deal with the licensing server, installing all this junk and spending time just so MS knows you paid for your stuff
13:39
<tempb0y>
they would really like to pull up entire windows environment with only the ms office apps, internet explorer, and ms outlook
13:39
<lns>
I'd go crossover office, that way you just have one desktop on the clients
13:39
<tempb0y>
but does crossover office work with office 2007
13:39
?
13:39
<lns>
tempb0y, you'll have to look at their site
13:39
<tempb0y>
im there now
13:39
<lns>
question - why are you doing LTSP if they all want MS apps though?
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<tempb0y>
lns this has been running for 4 years now and they want more
13:42
more features than OO.org has as well as mozilla e-mail client
13:42
<johnny>
there's always evolutin for email..
13:42
evolution*
13:42
<tempb0y>
and on codeweavers site office 2003 is at the bronze level so i don't think its ready for production
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<sutula>
tempb0y: I have a similar setup with a single 2003 server, and people just rdesktop into that machine whenever they have to use Winders apps
13:47
tempb0y: IMO, it's not in my best interest to make it any easier for the users than that...encourages them to use the open apps instead
13:47
<tempb0y>
sutula how many can rdp into the server?
13:48
<sutula>
tempb0y: Depends on how many licenses your client wants to buy from M$
13:48
tempb0y: The setup is possible...as has already been pointed out, this isn't the channel to discuss support of it though
13:48
<tempb0y>
it would be 10 to 12. so once lics are in place that many users can connect via rdp? now will they have full blown desktop? or just apps like word, etc?
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<johnny>
desktop..
13:48
<tempb0y>
but i'll still be using ltsp at the core
13:49
<sutula>
Yes
13:49
<tempb0y>
that is where #ltsp will come in :)
13:50
<stgraber>
you can probably use seamless rdp to export only one app
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<lns>
tempb0y, if you do "application server mode" you can export one app at a time (but you need to install/configure/pay for a seperate licensing server, etc)
13:59* lns is going to stop talking about windows now
14:02
<tempb0y>
ok, i'll probably do entire desktop and have ltsp load it upon boot
14:02
johnny this is where i'd update ltsp.conf for rdp?
14:02
<johnny>
sorry i don't know how it works
14:02
no windows anywhere here
14:02
<tempb0y>
k
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<cliebow>
tempb0y, Gadi is the Master in rdesktop ;-]
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<tempb0y>
cliebow i'll have to talk to Gadi when they are available then :)
14:26
<cliebow>
tempboy: i can pastebot earlier conversation for you re rdesktop
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<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "<feinbein> hi, does anyone kno" (87 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/535
14:30
<cliebow>
the upshot being rdesktop is installed as a local app in the chroot
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14:39
<tempb0y>
cliebow thanks
14:43
<Nubae>
tempboy... I've been using codeweavers office XP for about a year
14:44
<tempb0y>
nubae nice. how did you integrate it into ltsp?
14:44
<Nubae>
Works perfectly, except it hogs an enourmous amount of resources....
14:44
about 10x what OO does
14:44
<tempb0y>
so, CW is installed on ltsp server?
14:44
<Nubae>
sure
14:44
<tempb0y>
how is yours setup?
14:44
<Nubae>
it works in managed mode
14:44
so each user has a copy of Office
14:45
<tempb0y>
sweet. and xp is pretty stable?
14:45
<Nubae>
Stable yes, memory and CPU friendly, no
14:46
you will probably need to set aside at least 256mb per thin client (on the server) to run it without the network going down
14:46
you could also install winedoors
14:47
that is a very easy way to install windows apps... everything from dreamweaver to photoshop
14:47
and those 2 work great on codeweavers too..
14:48
All that said, I've now uninstalled all non open source apps from our server, and install vmware player on a per user basis
14:50
<tempb0y>
vmware player just so they can use office ?
14:51
<Nubae>
well, generally the user who wants to use office, also wants to use other windows apps
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<Nubae>
but, best policy is to install it only in the case that the app does not work on linux
14:52
<tempb0y>
i gotcha. what is the server load like for vmware player?
14:52
<Nubae>
luckily, that is less and less software
14:52
better than codeweavers and MS office running on every thin client
14:52
more controlled that way...
14:53
<tempb0y>
so you put vmware player on the server? how do the thin clients connect to apps within the player?
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<Nubae>
install them on the server too
14:56
within the image
14:57
after vmware is installed, just proceed with installing each app from the cdrom drive as if it were a windows machine
14:57
<tempb0y>
right but how do x-ltsp client access ms word within the player?
14:57
doh! you have terminal services running in theplayer?
14:57
<Nubae>
but... I've been told that virtualbox is actually a better more integrated with ubuntu and open source alternative
14:57
no.... vmplayer
14:58
on the server you have vmware server
14:58
<tempb0y>
yea, theplayer = vmplayer :)
14:58
<Nubae>
actually vmware player is also on the server
14:58
<tempb0y>
son on ltsp server you also have vmware server installed?
14:58
<Nubae>
jsut another app
14:58
<tempb0y>
ok, so on thin client they run vmplayer to use their windows apps
14:58
<Nubae>
yep
14:59
<tempb0y>
heh, they fire up an entire windows environment just to use word
14:59
<Nubae>
not the apps, but windows itself
14:59
its already fired up
14:59
so its just a matter of switching screens
14:59
<tempb0y>
the server already fires it up?
14:59
<Nubae>
and like I said, generally its used for multiple windows apps
14:59
<tempb0y>
how many clients can you have connected to it at the same time? 5, 15, 20?
15:00
<Nubae>
the ones not available on linux (specialised school management and exam entry software
15:00
legally or practically?
15:00
<tempb0y>
ah, so for office products you stick with CW?
15:00
<Nubae>
we did, then I uninstalled it, and now we use open office
15:00
unless the user really nags me and I fire up vmware for him
15:01
<tempb0y>
i see. let me see what version of OO i'm using now
15:01
<Nubae>
it has progressed a great deal
15:01
the latest versions are really good, even the database software has become stable and very usable
15:01
and there is a massive amount of open clipart, fonts, and templates
15:01
<tempb0y>
how can i get oo version without firing up APP?
15:02
<Nubae>
apt-get install clipart-openoffice.org
15:02
ummm... dpkg -l |grep openoffice
15:02
<tempb0y>
i did oo <tab><tab>
15:02
then typed ooffice --version and it tries to load gui
15:03
<Nubae>
the command I gave you will list the version number
15:04
2.4 is the latest
15:04
also... take a look at oxygen office, which is openoffice on steroids
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<tempb0y>
i'm using 1.1
15:06
heh, no wonder the natives are complaining :)
15:06
<Nubae>
heh
15:06
what distro?
15:06
<tempb0y>
debian
15:07
installed back in 04
15:07
this september will be 4 years :)
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<sutula>
tempb0y: Even Etch is at 2.0.4
15:08
<tempb0y>
what is the proper way to upgrade?
15:08
<sutula>
So the real problem is a lazy BOFH, not the need to run Winders apps :)
15:08
<Nubae>
well, you are SERIOUSLY behind the times then and in for a treat
15:09
<tempb0y>
no, no, no, don't blame me
15:09
they (customer) didn't wnat to pay for maintenance and support
15:09
now they call me whinning saying i want this, and that, etc
15:09
<Nubae>
ok, well, upgrading them is going to wow them considerably... linux has blossomed
15:10
I would consider trying ubuntu
15:10
its easier to install and maintain than debian
15:10
I'll probably get some boos from the debian users in here
15:10* sutula takes issue with the "maintain" part, but agrees that it's easier to install, and esp. LTSP support is better
15:10
<Nubae>
but I maintain debian servers too... so I do know what I'm talking about
15:10
<tempb0y>
well i'll have to do that when we purchase a new server. in the mean time i need to upgrade OO to 2.4 with what i have
15:10
<Nubae>
maintain pertains to the ltsp part
15:11
debian is better alternative in a commercial online environment though
15:11
just my 2 cents
15:11
<tempb0y>
sutula i agree, the only thing i've had to do with this ltsp server in the 4 years it has been up is replace a power supply and i just did that 2 weeks ago :)
15:11
<Nubae>
I meant software maintenance, not hardware
15:12
ie... adding/deleting users, manipulating chroot, installing apps... ec
15:12
etc
15:12
<cliebow>
nighto...
15:12* sutula isn't trying to start a religious war...they're both far preferable to other commercial Linux distros, IMO, for maintainability
15:12
<Nubae>
totally agree
15:13
<tempb0y>
night cliebow
15:13* Nubae cringes thinking about fedora and suse maintenance
15:13
<Nubae>
takes 10 times as long...
15:13
<x86>
*nod*
15:13* Nubae fears he's starting a debate
15:14* sutula blames it on Nubae as well and scampers away :)
15:14
<johnny>
i don't trust commercial support
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<johnny>
apps never come soon enough
15:14
<Nubae>
commercial support from whom?
15:14
<johnny>
i'd rather fix stability issues as needed then force my users t use apps that are over a year old
15:15
stuff evolves too fast
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<Nubae>
tempb0y: u could always get users to use googleapps
15:17
without having to upgrade OO
15:18
<tempb0y>
when new server gets in i'm going to do a new install. what do you suggest nubae? is there a ltsp all in one available now?
15:18
i'd like to stick with debian
15:19
http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
15:19
sweet :)
15:19
<Nubae>
ubuntu is integated the msot
15:19
most
15:19
and ubuntu is essentially debian
15:20
<tempb0y>
guess i could go with ubuntu-server platform
15:20
<Nubae>
its a one click install and you have your environment working perfectly, but massive strides have recently been done on debian integration, but its still not quite there...
15:20
IF you are a debain guru and know your ltsp, then go for it... otherwise, try ubuntu
15:21
in fact I dont think ubuntu even existed when u installed your debian server :-)
15:21
!ubuntu
15:21
<ltspbot`>
Nubae: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
15:21
<tempb0y>
hehe, and i've been away from ltsp for 4-years now
15:21
<Nubae>
the second link the quickinstall is the way to go
15:22
and you'll get great support on here...
15:22
<tempb0y>
i'll probably role with ubuntu since it seems to be the popular debian-esq distro of choice
15:22
<Nubae>
with LTSP integration in mind, it really rocks!
15:23
<tempb0y>
yep, i'm sold :-D
15:24
<cliebow>
ROCKS ROCKS ROCKS !!
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<alkisg>
Guys, does anyone know if I can use tap interfaces (br0 / tap0) instead of eth0:1 aliases to have multiple IPs for the same NIC? My problem is that dhclient doesn't work with aliases but it works with tap interfaces. I'm using my laptop as an Ubuntu hardy ltsp server...
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<lns>
alkisg, interesting scenario.. you're trying to put a tap iface on your laptop/hardy server.. ?
15:53
so wouldn't you mean dhcpd doesn't work w/aliases?
15:53
<alkisg>
lns, yes
15:53
I also couldn't make dhcpd work with aliases
15:54
<lns>
did you modify your /etc/default/dhcpd (or similar) file to listen on the correct interface?
15:54
<alkisg>
dpkg-reconfigure dhcp3-server => listen to eth0:1 => error messages, can't work on aliases
15:54
<lns>
ah
15:55
hmm, not sure about that one
15:55
<alkisg>
So I'd like br0=192.168.0.1 / dhcp server, tap0 = dhcp client
15:55
Now I do it with br0:1 = static IP and it's a little tiring, I frequently change labs....
15:56
<lns>
hehe.. never thought about that kind of configuration, not sure =)
15:56
a roaming ltsp server
15:57
<alkisg>
It works fine!
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<alkisg>
The schools here don't have good servers, so with a 750 € laptop I get my own mobile lab! :)
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<wolfgang_>
good evening
15:58
<Nubae>
alkisg: what are the clients then, thin terminals or laptops or what?
15:58
<wolfgang_>
is someone here to help me with a boring error in setting up kiwi-ltsp in opensuse 11?
15:59
<alkisg>
Nubae, usually old PCs, Celerons @500 MHz or something
15:59
<Nubae>
ah... perfect, interesting solution
15:59
<alkisg>
They also have Windows, but I just put grub4dos and boot off the network with the windows boot manager
16:00
memdisk etc...
16:00
´╗┐I'm trying to find some documentation about uml_proxy_arp, but I couldn't find anything about what exactly it means...
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<sh00p>
if i have ltsp running on a server, can i use something like terminal services client to connect to the server and get the windows environment?
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the client being on a windows box
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like remote desktop
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<johnny>
yes
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<johnny>
i doi don't know how it works tho
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<sh00p>
would i use ltsp?
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<johnny>
you can use both
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use ltsp to boot the clients and then connect to the terminal server
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<sh00p>
but i can use a windows client to connect to the server to get the xwindows environment?
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<johnny>
uhmm. sure.. but that's not ltsp
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that's just using x windows
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<sh00p>
but ltsp is what provides the xwindows picture, right?
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<johnny>
not in the scenario you're describing
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that's just the way X itself works
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ltsp is a set of scripts that allows you to network boot computers and then authenticate to the server and use it's resources while still being able to use local devices
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if you're not network booting.. it would be hard to call it ltsp
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<sh00p>
ok, i guess i'm getting terminal server in windows and terminal server in linux mixed up
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they both do different things
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<johnny>
yeah.. i think i see the issue there
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i have only had some passing knowledge of how windows terminal server stuff works
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never needed/wanted it
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at least not by the time i actually needed such a thing.
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<sh00p>
i guess they both do the same thing which is to provide a picture
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only difference i can see is that in windows, you can use a client app to connect
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you don't netboot or anything
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<johnny>
you can use a client app with ltsp
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so.. you can set it to start up netboot via ltsp.. and then use rdesktop to connect to the terminal server
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<sh00p>
but i want to use my windows client to connect to the ltsp server
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in windows
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<johnny>
i'm sure there's some sort of app that automates the process
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<sh00p>
no netbooting
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<johnny>
well that would just be connecting to any ole linux server
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that would not really be ltsp
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