IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<lns>
!meukow
00:01
<ltspbot>
lns: Error: "meukow" is not a valid command.
00:01
<sbalneav>
!muekow
00:01
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "muekow" is MueKow represents the future of LTSP. Using the packages available in the distribution, an LTSP client is build locally, and supported by the distribution. You can see the future at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
00:02
<lns>
ahh =)
00:03
so when's gutsy gonna freeze? I hear so many good things about it =)
00:03
specially w/ltsp
00:03
<sbalneav>
It'll be out in october
00:04
<lns>
woo!
00:04
nice
00:10
<mystafa>
sbalneav is ltsp support HP 1200?
00:10
<lns>
"As for the name 'MueKow', it was part of an inside joke between sbalneav and myself." ....so...what's the joke? =p
00:11
<sbalneav>
mystafa: First, lets finish with the cdrom problem
00:11
lns: If I told you, it wouldn't be an inside joke, would it?
00:11
:)
00:11
<lns>
bah
00:11
lol
00:12
just don't tell me something about utters and your mouth. =p
00:12
<sbalneav>
mystafa: have you got the cdrom in the drive?
00:13
As for the 1200, I have no experience with them.
00:13
All I've ever used have either been dot matrix's , or HP Laserjets
00:14
I know the 4000 series ones work well.
00:14
mystafa: are you there again?
00:15
<lns>
sbalneav, have you used skolelinux, if so what do you think of it vs ubuntu+ltsp for an educational environment?
00:16
<mystafa>
sbalneav yeah.. i'am here
00:16
<sbalneav>
ok, so, have you got a cdrom in the drive?
00:16
<mystafa>
yes
00:17
<sbalneav>
And you can see it on the desktop?
00:17
lns: I work with Edubuntu, myself
00:17
<lns>
oh ok
00:18
<mystafa>
sbalneav yes,i see it.. two copies
00:18
<sbalneav>
mystafa: can you paste the output of the "mount" command?
00:19
<mystafa>
tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
00:19
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
00:19
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
00:19
procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
00:19
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
00:19
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
00:19
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
00:19
nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw)
00:19
rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw)
00:19
ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/system type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
00:19
ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/user type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
00:19
ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/atadisk-hda4 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
00:19
ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/atadisk-hda2 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
00:19
ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/cdrom type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
00:20
<Q-FUNK>
re
00:20
<sbalneav>
ls -la /media
00:20
Hey Q-FUNK!
00:21
<lns>
zoiks!
00:21
<Q-FUNK>
:)
00:21
<mystafa>
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-08-18 09:37 .
00:21
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2007-08-16 15:41 ..
00:21
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-08-09 08:12 cdrom -> cdrom0
00:21
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-09 08:12 cdrom0
00:21
-r-Sr-x--- 1 root root 0 2007-08-09 08:40 .hal-mtab-lock
00:21
drwxr-xr-x 7 root test 4096 2007-08-18 10:02 test
00:23
<sbalneav>
ok, well, looks like vagrant's not putting links in media. Not sure how he's putting them in the desktop
00:24
so, the files are in /tmp/.test-ltspfs
00:26
<mystafa>
heh.. it's there
00:26
about printer,i find one more thing
00:27
when i put at browser `localhost:631` it return's me `cups page` but...
00:27
when i taped `IP:631` it says that can't connect
00:28
IP - ip of client
00:28
<sbalneav>
right
00:28
<mystafa>
it's normal?
00:28
<sbalneav>
Like I've said before
00:28
cups isnt running on the client.
00:28
it's not in the chroot
00:28
<mystafa>
ok...
00:29
<Q-FUNK>
the chroot is ONLY used to boot the client. everything else runs on the server host itself.
00:30
<mystafa>
and what about supporting HP 1010 and 1300?
00:31
<lns>
wow
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00:33
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: that is handled by cups.
00:33
<mystafa>
you know... debian 4 is not supported it. but you can take a small firmware which is do so that HP1020 and 1018 is working on the deb and ubuntu too. but i can't take this firmware to the client. i gave it to him... but it still don't see printer
00:34
dmesg says - i see it! but it's not working
00:34
<lns>
mystafa, i have one of those firmware-less hp printers at a site...it is such a pain to try to get working on the SERVER, let alone the client
00:34
<mystafa>
i don't know what should i do with this :(
00:34
<lns>
they're like winmodems...but printers
00:35
<mystafa>
lns on the server is not a problem
00:35
<lns>
mystafa, my personal suggestion would be to get a better supported printer
00:35
if you can
00:35
<mystafa>
lns it takes me 10 min to start printing
00:35
now.. i can't do this :/
00:36
<lns>
how far is the client from the server?
00:36
is it something an extra-long usb cable can't handle?
00:36
<mystafa>
3 floors ;-)
00:37
<lns>
haha
00:37
ok nm
00:37
<mystafa>
;-)
00:37
<ltsppbot>
"Q-FUNK" pasted "X.org config for Geode LX" (121 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/287
00:37
<lns>
I gave up on our HPLJ1000 on a client...i was ending up spending hours, it just seemed totally futile to me
00:38
<mystafa>
ok... let's talk about one more thing - if i can run this printer on the server, the client _must_ be able to run it too>
00:38
?
00:39
<lns>
mystafa, it probably can, but you're talking about something completely different here
00:39
CUPS runs on the server, not the client
00:39
these printers
00:39
are firmwareless, right?
00:39
<mystafa>
yes
00:39
<lns>
the driver contains the firmware that it has to download via tftp or something
00:39
over usb
00:39
before the printer can work
00:40
so
00:40
<mystafa>
i gave this firmware to the client
00:40
<lns>
ok
00:40
but cups is on the server, and needs to access the firmware
00:40
right? I mean, i'm no expert but i think thats how it works...
00:40
<mystafa>
yeah... :(
00:41
<lns>
so we're talking about a balancing act here
00:41
that might be less trouble to find a better supported printer...its like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip
00:41
that's just my take on it though
00:41
<mystafa>
;-)
00:41
ok...
00:41
thanks
00:41
<lns>
I'm hoping to get some old HP laserjet 4/5/6P/2100's, they're pretty cheap
00:42
and they're rock solid i'm sure in linux, on the client/jetdirect
00:42
<mystafa>
i'll find one manual.. on spanish
00:42
how to work with 1020
00:42
but - nothing! ;)
00:42
http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigos/verArtigo.php?codigo=5380&pagina=2 here
00:44
<sbalneav>
mystafa: You're going to actually have to write some stuff to get it to work. Like I said before, we're using jetdirect as a mini print server, so you're going to have to get all that firmware stuff going in the thin client, where there's a much more limited environment.
00:44
I'm assuming this is for work, yes?
00:45
<mystafa>
sbalneav for work?
00:45
<sbalneav>
At work, you're trying to get this going where you work
00:45
right?
00:45
<mystafa>
yes
00:46
<sbalneav>
OK, for the amount of time you'll spend trying to get this to go, you could easily buy a $400 laser printer that will work flawlessly :)
00:46
<mystafa>
;-)
00:46
<sbalneav>
I mean, we've spent 3 hours here already, right?
00:46
<lns>
hehe..probably not what he wants to hear, but its the truth
00:47
<mystafa>
say it to my director ;-)
00:47
<sbalneav>
Sure.
00:47
<lns>
i'll say it =)
00:47
<sbalneav>
What's his email?
00:47
<whiprush_>
sbalneav: see pm please!
00:47
<mystafa>
;))))))
00:47
oh guys ;-)
00:47
<lns>
hey, nothing better to hear it from a developer himself!
00:47
<mystafa>
i don't think that he is understand you 'cause he is russian ;)
00:48
<lns>
babelfish ;)
00:48
<mystafa>
if i can't do this... can't run this HP.. i'll say to buy a new printers ;-)
00:48
<lns>
well...
00:48
<sbalneav>
OK, well, good luck.
00:48
<mystafa>
but now i WANT to configured it
00:49
sbalneav ;) thx
00:49
<lns>
i'll come back in 24 hours after you have tried ;)
00:49
i know i have before
00:49
<mystafa>
;))))
00:49
<lns>
it's really too bad HP likes making crap like that
00:49
<sbalneav>
If it were me, I'd give one to your director for his home, and tell him you need to buy another one :)
00:49
Bribes always work well.
00:49
<lns>
ooo
00:49
social engineering at your job! haha
00:50
very wise
00:50
<sn9_>
hp sometimes makes very good complete crap
00:50
<lns>
sn9_, lol
00:51
you really can't beat their enterprise level laser printers
00:51
but for the consumer market, they should all be drug out into the street and shot
00:51
<mystafa>
great! HP 1010 is working!
00:51
<sn9_>
the lasers that were all recalled?
00:51
<lns>
don't you mean all of them?
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00:52
<lns>
mystafa, from the client?
00:52
<mystafa>
yeah!
00:52
1010
00:52
<sn9_>
0101
00:52
<lns>
1001
00:52
hmm
00:52
<sn9_>
0110
00:52
<mystafa>
now i will try to change thae cable and run 1020
00:53
<lns>
if that really works, mystafa, *highfive*
00:53
<mystafa>
)
00:53
lns but it ptints some strange :/
00:54
<lns>
shouldn't you replace the firmware with the 1020 firmware now?
00:55
<mystafa>
i'll try it..
00:55
<sbalneav>
Night all.
00:55
1 am here
00:55
off to bed.
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01:01
<sn9_>
hmm, edubuntu supports the playstation3 as a client...
01:07
<lns>
sn9_, hahaha
01:07
i can see a lab full of PS3s
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01:19
<mystafa>
lns it's working only when i give it firmware of 1020... and it's working not right. but - working ;)
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01:21
<lns>
good stuff mystafa
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01:34
<mystafa>
1200 is working, but says when i'am running "test page" - PCL XL error
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01:47
<mystafa>
all ok... i've installed cupsys-driver-gimpprint,reinstall the printer,and it works
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02:07
<mystafa>
when i share my client printer with others should i make smb.conf on the client or on the server?
02:12
<sn9_>
where is samba running?
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02:13
<mystafa>
sn9_ hm.. in server
02:14
<sn9_>
no sense in a file smb.conf on a machine where samba is not running
02:15
<lns>
mystafa, are you sharing that printer with windows clients?
02:16
<mystafa>
sn9_ can you give a link to the doc where i can read how i must share the client's printer?
02:16
lns yes
02:16
<sn9_>
you're already sharing it with the server
02:16
<lns>
yeah - i mean all in all the server is hosting the printer, its just mapping the port to the client
02:16
right?
02:17
<mystafa>
lns i don't understand you, sorry :( i'am trying to share the client's printer with win-machines on my net
02:18
i must only set `IP:9100`?
02:19
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: are you on debian or ubuntu?
02:19
<mystafa>
Q-FUNK debian
02:20
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: noticing the number of questions you posted over the last few hours, may I suggest switchign to ubuntu? ubuntu pre-configures a lot of these services for you and is generally easier to maintain.
02:21
<mystafa>
Q-FUNK no ;-) cause all of this question's is was about HP 1020... ubuntu doesn't support it too
02:21
<Q-FUNK>
with debian, a lot of things are purposely not installed or not pre-configured, and this requires more advanced knowledge to get it running.
02:21
another issue is that printer configuration is completely out of this channel's scope.
02:22
ditto for samba configuration.
02:22
<mystafa>
Q-FUNK no problem... i have a google ;-) but some things i'll asked here
02:22
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: I'll repeat: this is the wrong channel where to ask.
02:22
<lns>
i wish windows had a good cups client though :(
02:22
<mystafa>
Q-FUNK why?
02:23
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: this is #ltsp not #cups
02:23
<mystafa>
Q-FUNK ok.thank ya.
02:23
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: nothing wrong with asking questions, but please ask them to the right channel :)
02:24
<mystafa>
LTSP is pre-configured to share all clients printers with win-mashines?
02:25
<Q-FUNK>
no, that's distribution dependant.
02:25
<mystafa>
ok
02:26
<lns>
mystafa, i get the image of a clown trying to balance camels from his nose when you talk about your setup ;)
02:26
<mystafa>
:)
02:26
<lns>
you are a brave person
02:26
<mystafa>
;-)
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02:27
<mystafa>
i found it!
02:27
only one command shared it ;-)
02:29
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: it could be useful to document your setup and write a HOWTO so that others in a similar situation as you can benefit from your findings. you could put it on the ubuntu wiki, for instance.
02:29
<mystafa>
Q-FUNK i'll do it.. ;-)
02:30
Q-FUNK in russian, and in english
02:30
when i'am finished it
02:30
<sn9_>
вот молодец
02:30
<mystafa>
:-)
02:31
<Q-FUNK>
russian would be nice, since the country is built on pirated µ$ products. it could go a long way towards helping LTSP adoption in the double-headed eagle land.
02:31
<mystafa>
02:31
Q-FUNK ;-))
02:31
<Q-FUNK>
mystafa: wrong encoding. try UTF-8 :)
02:31
<mystafa>
ok ;-) later
02:31
<sn9_>
÷èòàåìî? can you read? <-- what we saw
02:31
<mystafa>
i see )
02:32
<Q-FUNK>
я немного говорю по русски тоже.
02:32
<sn9_>
is the double-headed eagle back? i hadn't noticed
02:33
<Q-FUNK>
sn9_: headless eagle would be more accurate nowadays, actually ;)
02:33
<sn9_>
lol
02:34
<Q-FUNK>
ah... our lovely putinic neighbors.
02:34
<sn9_>
oh, right. you're right next door to there...
02:34
<Q-FUNK>
yup. next door, twice: .ee & .fi
02:35
<sn9_>
.ee doesn't really count anymore
02:35
<Q-FUNK>
since when?
02:36
<sn9_>
oh, i misread -- i thought you said .ee and .ru were next door to .fi
02:36
<Q-FUNK>
yes and that is also accurate.
02:36
<sn9_>
but in a different way
02:36
<Q-FUNK>
tallinn is just 83km from helsinki.
02:37
and the language almost the same.
02:37
I live in .fi and work in .ee, thus .ru is my neighbor twice :)
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02:37
<sn9_>
ah, that explains it
02:38* Q-FUNK is a frequent sailor.
02:38
<Q-FUNK>
someone should invent seamiles, instead of airmiles. i'd get free trips in no time.
02:38
<sn9_>
nautical miles are already in use
02:38
<Q-FUNK>
sn9_: I work for www.thincan.com
02:39
sn9_: yes, but not as bonus points for people frequently using the ferry :)
02:39
<sn9_>
right
02:39
but most ferry systems offer discounts on bulk tickets
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02:40
<Q-FUNK>
yup. I use series tickets. it's not that much cheaper, though.
02:41
<sn9_>
that red unit in the middle is nice-looking
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02:48
<Q-FUNK>
sn9_: yes, that was our first design. the casing costed a fortune to manufacture, though, which is why we switched to the simpler box design.
02:49
<sn9_>
oh
02:49
<Q-FUNK>
sn9_: another cool thing about the red one is that the top half could include an optional smartcard reader. the slot was just over the power button.
02:56
<jakobsg>
USB question:
02:57
My users are having problems with storing files on there USB disk
02:57
When they pull it out and insert it in another machine the files are not there
02:58
Is this a sync problem, and where is the problem (server or thin client)?
03:00
<sn9_>
well, both
03:01
it needs to synched on the server first, then on the client
03:07
<ogra>
jakobsg, what kind of files are that ? are they very big ? and how are they being copied (commandline, filebrowser ?)
03:08
<jakobsg>
Sorry, ogra my notifier failed me :-(
03:08
Mostly documents
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03:10
<mystafa>
ogra hi! ;-)
03:10
<jakobsg>
ogra, On a fat client I would tell the user to make sure you have unmounted safely (knowing that the system calls sync to flush filesystems)
03:11
<ogra>
ltspfs automatically unmounts the device 2 secs after the last data was written, it mounts it again on next access (the user doesnt see that)
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03:11
<ogra>
but we rely a bit on correwct GUI reporting of the write process with that indeed
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03:12
<ogra>
(if there is a progressbar, users wont pull out, if the progressbar is gone the unmount should have happened as well)
03:12
<jakobsg>
How do you meen?
03:12
<ogra>
so do they use a filemanager to copy the files ?
03:12
<jakobsg>
yes, I think it was krusader
03:13* ogra has never seen krusader
03:14
<jakobsg>
really it's quite popular
03:14
like total commander
03:14
<ogra>
looks like a gui MC
03:14
<jakobsg>
I normally never use a filemanager, but we have to think of the endusers
03:14
yes correct
03:15
<ogra>
i bet it doesnt show progress bars for copying files :/
03:15
so your users might pull it out while writing is still going on :/
03:15
we tested exdtensively with nautilus and konqueror ...
03:15
<jakobsg>
I can't remember but I think it does, cause it uses kio
03:17
<ogra>
well, lets wait for sbalneav (should be on in some hours) and see what he thinks
03:17
<jakobsg>
I am installing it now, to check :-)
03:19
yeah, it uses kio and thus has a progressbar :-)
03:20
ogra, OK
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03:47
<klausade>
ltsp5 on etch: I have in lts.conf [00:d0:5d:cd:5d:ab] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 and the printer shows up in dmesg on the client. but nmap gives me "9100/tcp closed jetdirect". I can bring it up as ltsp4-2 and it all works. any tips?
03:49
<ogra>
klausade, /dev/lp0 exists (lp module is loaded etc )?
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04:06
<klausade>
ogra: well, i forgott to think about that. no, no lp and no /dev/lp0. A modprobe lp solved that one.
04:06
<ogra>
;)
04:06
add it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules it wont do any harm (we have it by default there in ubuntu)
04:07
<klausade>
ogra: what else do you have there? on etch it's empty.
04:09
<ogra>
only lp
04:10
<klausade>
ok
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04:56
<ari_stress>
good afternoon :)
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05:24
<klausade>
ogra: adding lp to etc/modules helped a bit, now the moduls is loaded and /dev/lp0 is created at boot. but should i still see "9100/tcp closed jetdirect"?
05:25
<ogra>
not really
05:25
look if jetpipe is running on the client
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05:25
<ogra>
you should see something like: jetpipe /dev/lp0 9100
05:25
in yourt ps output
05:26
<klausade>
ogra: no result running ps auxw|grep jetpipe on the client.
05:27
atelast I have /usr/sbin/jetpipe
05:27
<ogra>
good
05:27
try starting it manually :)
05:27
/usr/sbin/jetpipe /dev/lp0 9100
05:27
see what it says
05:31
<klausade>
ogra: it actually says nothing. but nmap shows "9100/tcp open jetdirect" and I can see prints going through cups (the printer is 40 kilometers away)
05:31
ogra: dmesg is full of "lp0: ECP mode"
05:32
<ogra>
seems it isnt started properly then :/
05:33
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup has the code for that
05:33
it calls /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer <printer number>
05:33
see if /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 will start jetpipe as well
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05:42
<klausade>
ogra: /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer: line 12: /etc/ltsp_functions: No such file or directory
05:42
<ogra>
ouch
05:43
seems the debian version of that script has a bug
05:43
at the very top it should say:
05:43
. /usr/lib/ltsp/ltsp_functions
05:43
i guess yours is saying /etc/ltsp_functions instead
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05:57
<EXP2_>
ogra, are you here?
05:58
<ogra>
partially, yes
05:59
<EXP2_>
i have still have problems with clients that have nvidia chipsets, i installed restricted modules, but when XSERVER=nvidia, i get a blank screen
05:59
<ogra>
did you run ltsp-update-kernels ?
06:00
l-r-m regenerates the initramfs ... that needs to get copied to the tftp dir (teh above command does that)
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06:02
<EXP2_>
no change
06:03
<ogra>
you installed nvidia-glx (or glx-legacy, depending on your card) as well ?
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<mystafa>
ogra, Q-FUNK, thank you very much guys for your help! all that i need - is working. at weekend i will write i wiki (-:
06:06
<ogra>
yay, thanks :)
06:06
<mystafa>
it the end, i'll choose a HP 1200 as a printer
06:06
<EXP2_>
problem is that in need to disable hwcursor and enable swcursor in xorg.conf
06:06
<mystafa>
;-) thank YOU!
06:06
<EXP2_>
that might help
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<ogra>
EXP2_, best is to use a static xorg.conf then
06:07
do you see the nvidia logo ?
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06:07
<mystafa>
see ya!
06:07
<ogra>
mystafa, ciao, have fun
06:08
<mystafa>
from Russia with love (-:
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<ogra>
EXP2_, if you dont see the logo yet, playing with cursor settings is pointless, then the driver situation is not right yet
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06:11
<EXP2_>
i see the logo
06:11
now it works
06:11
<ogra>
ah, was it the -glx package ?
06:12
<EXP2_>
yes
06:12
<ogra>
:)
06:12* ogra never tried compiz on nvidia...
06:12
<EXP2_>
any idea how this can be done in ltsp4.2?
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<ogra>
i knowits a lot faster than metacity on intel chipsets with ltsp5 though
06:13
EXP2_, for 4.2 you need to recompile everything afaik, but dont count on me here, nobody touched 4.2 since 1.5-2 years ...
06:13
and i started with 5
06:15
<EXP2_>
i think that i'll wait until 7.10 released, then i change my other lab from 6.06 to that
06:16
these three others are are 7.04
06:17
<ogra>
yeah, gutsy will gain you a lot speed :)
06:19
<klausade>
yes, it says . /etc/ltsp_functions . But replacing that solved it, now it at least starts manually. but not yet at boot, have to work on that later.
06:19
<ogra>
hmm, weird that it has this bug though
06:19
i thought vagrant pulled the printer stuff 1:1 from ubuntu
06:30
<klausade>
ogra: ltsp-client-setup seems to contain no configure_printer()
06:31
<ogra>
look if he moved it over to the other ltsp initscript then
06:31
(there are two)
06:33
<klausade>
ogra: grep for it in etc in the chroot shows nothing.
06:33
<ogra>
thats really bad
06:33
is that plain etch or the backported packages ?
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07:01
<ari_stress>
hi
07:01
!sound
07:01
<ltspbot>
ari_stress: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
07:04
<ari_stress>
!ltsp5 sound
07:04
<ltspbot>
ari_stress: Error: "ltsp5" is not a valid command.
07:04
<ari_stress>
!ltsp5sound
07:04
<ltspbot>
ari_stress: Error: "ltsp5sound" is not a valid command.
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<waddowa>
hi all
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<waddowa>
I've a problem with ltsp 5 and ubuntu 6.10 server. After 40 minutes the user session is broken.
07:46
I get a lot of errors like this: Aug 23 16:10:08 server gconfd (alessandro-21098): L'indirizzo "x
07:46
ml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" è stato risolta ad una sorgente di configurazione in sola lettura in posizione 0
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<waddowa>
anyone can help me?
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<exodos>
is there anybody using ltsp5 + firefox + flashplayer + libflashsupport + pulse?
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<Mikaku>
hi, I was searching for rdesktop 1.5 package but it seems the most recent version in LTSP is the 1.4.1
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<Mikaku>
anyone knows if there is a way to obtain the lastest version compiled for LTSP?
08:39
<ogra>
rdesktop in debian and ubuntu is at 1.5 since some releases already
08:40
and nobody develops anything for ltsp 4.2 anymore (snice 2005 already)
08:41
<Mikaku>
ogra: I've stuck in 4.2 since to get ltsp 5.0 it's more difficult than it is getting 4.2
08:42
<ogra>
???
08:42
<Mikaku>
i mean for people out of Debian/Ubuntu systems
08:42
<ogra>
two commands to install and set it up are to difficult ?
08:42
ah
08:43
well, there are tarballs
08:43
<Mikaku>
where?
08:43
<ogra>
but that needs a lot on the distro sidfe still
08:43
<Mikaku>
it seems the tarball are very different for the one in 4.2
08:43
<ogra>
!tarball
08:43
<ltspbot>
ogra: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
08:43
<ogra>
sure
08:43
4.2 is onbsolete and a totally different implem,entation
08:43
(and unmaintained since quite some time)
08:44
<Mikaku>
the only tarball exists are for debian and ubuntu
08:44
there is not a *generic* tarball
08:45
<ogra>
s/for/from ;)
08:45
no
08:45
there cant be a generic tarball
08:45
<Mikaku>
4.2 was
08:45
<ogra>
since no such thing like a generic ltsp can exists with the ltsp5 approach
08:46
<Mikaku>
:(
08:46
<highvoltage>
why would the feisty tarball on http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#DownloadTarball be pre-release?
08:46
<ogra>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
08:47
highvoltage, because jammcq iss a slacker
08:47
:P
08:47
<highvoltage>
ogra: heh
08:47
<ogra>
i asked him several times to update ... i dont have upload access to the server, else i'd have done it already and also put a gutsy tarball up
08:47
<Mikaku>
it seems that ltsp 5 is closer to the distribution that ltsp 4 was
08:48
<ogra>
Mikaku, it really doesnt matter on which system you unpack these tarballs
08:48
the ubuntu tarball will work on redhat or suse as well (with some fiddling)
08:48
<Mikaku>
ogra: ok, i'll try to get the "Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) i386" as it seems the more *generic*
08:49
*tarball
08:49
<ogra>
Mikaku, the target of ltsp5 is that all package maintenance is done by the distro ... so we can concentrate on the actual ltsp bits and dont need to do kernel security updates for example
08:50
<Mikaku>
hence the difficulty to use ltsp on other systems than deb/ubu
08:50
<ogra>
sadly the only distros that have picked it up with some effort are debian and ubuntu, redhat people tried but didnt finish, opensuse as well, gentoo is still ongoing
08:50
some derivative debian/ubuntu distrtos have it as well, i.e. altlinux
08:51
best thing to do is to poke your distro people to get it going ;)
08:51
<Mikaku>
it would be useful to include the works of other distro in the same #downloads page
08:51
<ogra>
we'll do that if they provide any code
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09:34
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<ogra>
!s
09:37
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:37
<sbalneav>
Morning ogra!
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<klausade>
ogra: using the backported 5.0.8debian3 solved the problem with ltsp5 as printserver. now it works.
09:48
<ogra>
good
09:49
i know the original etch packages didnt have printing support due to the license situatuion with lp_server (the former jetpipe implementation)
09:50
<klausade>
ogra: yes, I remember.
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10:01
<Blinny>
ogra: Do you include fedora in that 'redhat/suse' comment about ltsp5 working w/ fiddling?
10:02
Say, FC6 or F7
10:02
<ogra>
Blinny, nobody from redhat/fedora has sent in any code aet, yes, that includes them
10:02
*yet
10:02
<Blinny>
Dig.
10:02
<ogra>
and afaik there is nothing going on atm ... i know there is stuff planned since quite some time, but nobody to take up the work
10:02
<Blinny>
Damn.
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<ogra>
rh is stuck with missing manpower (even i wonder why, canonical isnt 10% of the size of RH and we manage to have a dedicated dev for it)
10:03
<Blinny>
The rise & fall of distros is disturbing when trying to settle on a single framework to stick with for 5-10 years.
10:03
<ogra>
and opensuse struggles with the image creation, they wanted to use something called kiwi, but seems that didnt work out yet
10:04
<Blinny>
*Nod*
10:05
It seems to me like a distro's meteoric rise (ala fedora a few years ago, ala ubuntu currently) sucks devs to handling niggling support/tweaking issues, which stagnates development & integration, which gives rise to another distro's meteoric rise.
10:05
Plus, developers are fickle. I grow tired of languages/platforms and am more interested in newer stuff than well-known.
10:05
<ogra>
ubuntu wont drop ltsp development
10:06
even if canonical would die ...
10:06
<Blinny>
Fedora hasn't dropped ltsp development either. It's just not a priority. (:
10:06
<ogra>
they never sponsored it
10:06
it was a personal effort of eric
10:06
<Blinny>
True. I'm thinking more of K12 here.
10:06
Yeah.
10:07
<ogra>
5the thing is that they really miss a big business opportunity
10:07
<Blinny>
How so?
10:07
<ogra>
http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
10:07
<highvoltage>
red hat should invite the ltsp guys to whatever they have that's similar to UDS
10:07
<ogra>
ppreinstalled ltsp servers for example
10:07
<highvoltage>
(and suse too)
10:08
<ogra>
they are free to come to a UDS ....
10:08
we invite most of the ltsp devs anyway and its usually tightly coupled with and ltsp BTS conference
10:08
we also had the hackfest in 2005 where we invited all distros
10:09
RH at least sent someone :)
10:09
even the outcome was moot
10:09
<Blinny>
ogra: Togami?
10:09
<highvoltage>
indeed, I just figured it would make it easier for red hat and suse to get ltsp integrated if they had ltsp people over.
10:09
<ogra>
yewp
10:09
<Blinny>
*sigh*
10:09
<ogra>
Blinny, but only because eric got pushy i think
10:09
<Blinny>
BTW I like that 76.com
10:10
<ogra>
i know rjune has massive interest to get it rolling .. but i havent heard about the status yet
10:10
<Blinny>
ogra: Because he wanted continued ownership?
10:10
(Eric, I mean)
10:10
<ogra>
yeah, to sad they dont bundle it with a set of nice clients as well
10:10
no idea what erics motivation was here
10:10
<Blinny>
No doubt.
10:11
<ogra>
but ltsp5 somewhat forces that a distro dev works on it as well
10:11
i think eric doesnt have the upload powers you nbeed to get it going properly
10:11
(there is more involved on the distro package side than you would think :) )
10:11
(for ltsp5)
10:11
<Blinny>
Oh I'm sure.
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<Blinny>
It's all a dark sack into which I reach my hand.
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10:12
<Blinny>
Every now and then I see a 'xorg' or a 'tftp' float to the top of the sack, but other than that it's unintelligible.
10:13
BBIAB - Thanks for the chat
10:13
<ogra>
:)
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10:23
<monteslu>
sbalneav, or ogra, still around?
10:23
need some help with local devices
10:23
<sbalneav>
Yuppers!
10:23
<monteslu>
coolness
10:23
I´ve tried everything
10:23
fixed the GIDs between ldap server
10:23
fixed udev rule
10:24
added a+x to fusermount
10:24
and still nada
10:26
<sbalneav>
ok, so
10:26
You're logged into a thin client now, right?
10:26
<monteslu>
yup
10:26
can see from dmesg that it sees the thumbdrive
10:27
even gives me a /dev/sda1
10:27
but it doesnt look like its mounted anywhere
10:27
that was from the shell
10:27
<sbalneav>
ok, what happens if you type ltspfs <wsip>:/tmp <somedir>
10:28
<monteslu>
from X, im not seeing anything being added to
10:28
<sbalneav>
make a dir in your home directory
10:28
like, say, foo
10:28
so ltspfs 192.168.0.whatever:/tmp ~/foo
10:29
<monteslu>
doh
10:29
permission denied
10:29
No matches found, authority file "-" not written
10:31
<sbalneav>
env | grep DISPLAY
10:31
<monteslu>
DISPLAY=192.168.0.60:6.0
10:32
<sbalneav>
xauth extract - 192.168.0.60:6.0
10:33
<monteslu>
No matches found, authority file "-" not written
10:33
<sbalneav>
ls -al .Xauthority
10:34
<monteslu>
-rw------- 1 monteslu Domain Users 153 2007-08-15 11:58 .Xauthority
10:34
<sbalneav>
env | grep XAUTH
10:34
<monteslu>
nothing
10:35
<sbalneav>
ok, something's not adding an xauth key on login
10:36
<monteslu>
does it matter that screen_07 is set at ldm and 8 is shell ?
10:36
<sbalneav>
Nope
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10:37
<monteslu>
what normally adds the xauth key ?
10:38
<sbalneav>
ldm
10:38
<monteslu>
im useing the directx patched one
10:38
maybe i need to grab a newer version
10:39
<sbalneav>
No, it has the stuff in there.
10:39
On your screen 08, shell, have a look in /tmp
10:39
there should be a file called "fileS76DJG" or something. A file with a random name
10:39
but it will start with the word "file"
10:40
what's it's size?
10:40
<monteslu>
nothing named like that
10:41
<sbalneav>
What's in there?
10:42
<monteslu>
there is a .ltpfs-socket tmpUU44p--
10:42
and ..
10:42
<sbalneav>
ah, ok, maybe it's tmpuUUblah
10:42
what's it's size?
10:42
<monteslu>
.X11-unix and .X6-lock
10:42
50 bytes, rw to root only
10:43
its contents say something about a magic cookie
10:44
<sbalneav>
ok, so you've got a magic cooooookie.
10:44
xauth -f /tmp/tmpUUwhatever list
10:44
on screen_08
10:45
<monteslu>
it output more magic cookie stuff
10:45
sorry cant cut and paste from there :)
10:46
<sbalneav>
something like 192.168.0.60:6 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE abunchofhexdigits
10:47
the first bit's the important stuff for us.
10:47
<monteslu>
ltsp1/unix:6
10:48
<ogra>
sbalneav, why are you looing for xauth cookies, its ignored ...
10:48
*looking
10:48
<sbalneav>
ignored on the server.
10:48
<ogra>
last time i looked we ran ltspfsd -a on te client
10:49
<sbalneav>
ltspfs on the client still runs the auth command.
10:49
sorry, xauth
10:49
it sends the data, the server just ignores it.
10:49
<ogra>
huh ? and why dont other people every see that prob ?
10:49
<sbalneav>
They don't
10:49
<ogra>
right
10:49
<sbalneav>
something with monteslu's xauth system is mucked up
10:50
I'm suspecting it's something he's got in his environment.
10:50
<ogra>
i dont see how that could happen
10:50
<monteslu>
could it have anything to do with old user accounts?
10:50
im connecting edubuntu to an ldap server that was previously for fedora ltsp servers
10:51
<sbalneav>
Well, don't know what to tell yo.
10:51
<monteslu>
all student accounts are new, but mine and the teachers are the same
10:51
Iĺl try it with another account
10:51
<ogra>
it could have to do with user writability to ~/.Xauthority
10:51
but eve then
10:51
<sbalneav>
the core of your problem is that the command "xauth extract - 192.168.0.60:6.0" returns an error
10:52
what happens if you just type "xauth extract -"
10:52
<ogra>
could you try without LDM_DIRECTX set ?
10:52
<sbalneav>
without the ip addr
10:53
<monteslu>
xauth: (argv):1: bad "extract" command line
10:54
Iĺl try without ldmdirectx
10:54
<sbalneav>
ah, yeah
10:54
hm
10:54
try without the directx
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<monteslu>
booting another client...
10:54
<bazz>
hello hello hello
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10:57
<bazz>
anyone around that I could shoot a few questions too?
10:57
<monteslu>
sbalneav, ogra, that was it
10:57
ldm_directx
10:58
this will probably fix it for dtrask as well
10:58
gutsy will have the new fast ldmdirectx right?
10:58
<bazz>
Can anyone point me in the correct direction, on how I may be able to set up LTSP to to have a Win4lin windows session full screen at logon?
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<monteslu>
but no ldm_directx is gonna mean slow games and flash stuff I think
11:00
<vagrantc>
ldm_directx should be about the same speed as XDMCP
11:00
<ogra>
vagrantc, right
11:00
<vagrantc>
slightly slower for login, but otherwise about the same
11:01
<ogra>
hs prob is that localdev doesnt work with ldm_directx
11:01
which is weird, since it works on all other setups it seems ... i havent heard complaints yet at all
11:01
<vagrantc>
odd.
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11:01
<vagrantc>
yeah, worked for me
11:01
<monteslu>
its ldm_directx + smbldap, which probably isnt as common
11:02
<vagrantc>
there's *nothing* different with LDM_DIRECTX than normal LDM logins
11:02
<ogra>
yeah, seems like
11:02
<vagrantc>
works without LDM_DIRECTX ?
11:02
<ogra>
vagrantc, scottie just tld me ltspfs on the server still checks xauth first
11:02
<vagrantc>
hmm.
11:02
<ogra>
which surprised me a bit ...
11:04
vagrantc, seen that btw ? http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
11:06
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: oh, i have some patches for you: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/ubuntu/vagrant-gutsy
11:07
<monteslu>
sbalneav, ogra, thanks. Iĺl see if I can live without ldm_directx for a little while
11:07
<highvoltage>
those eland pedestal boxes are what we used in the tuxlabs
11:08
they give *great* value for money
11:08
<ogra>
monteslu, dtrask has the same setup as moquist btw, it works fine for moquist afak
11:08
<monteslu>
yeah, but it was dtraskś advice that i used ldm_directx
11:09
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: OK, should I merge?
11:09
<ogra>
highvoltage, edubuntu preinstalled ;)
11:09
<monteslu>
otherwise heś doing the same thing I am. old k12 user with smbldap now using edubuntu servers
11:09
<highvoltage>
ogra: oooh!
11:09
<monteslu>
and he was having local dev problems
11:09
<highvoltage>
ogra: just a pity system76 only ships to US and Canada :(
11:09
<ogra>
monteslu, fue related though
11:10
*fuse
11:10
<monteslu>
dont know if adding the group fixed it for him though
11:10
Iĺl follow up on the list
11:10
<highvoltage>
wow, ltsp must work nicely with a quad core cpu
11:10
<ogra>
sure
11:10
<monteslu>
off to work...
11:11
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i think so :)
11:11
sbalneav: it's just a couple simple patches
11:13
sbalneav: so we don't have to maintain both XORG_CONF and XF86CONFIG_FILE in all the code, basically.
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11:13* vagrantc still would prefer X_CONF since all the other X related values begin with X_
11:15
<vagrantc>
ogra: how soon till feature freeze ?
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<ogra>
-1 week
11:16
<sbalneav>
ogra: You got any problem with dropping XF86CONFIG_FILE, and moving to just an X_CONF variable?
11:16
We could just post a notice saying you need to fix up existing lts.conf files.
11:16
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: well, my patches still support XF86CONFIG_FILE
11:16
<ogra>
sbalneav, i dont, the users might
11:17
<sbalneav>
I'm happy to just switch, and notify people of the change.
11:17
<vagrantc>
it's a one-liner to maintain complete backwards compatibility
11:17
<sbalneav>
s/XF86CONFIG_FILE/X_CONF/g in vi is easy to do.
11:18
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: have you looked at my patch ?
11:18
<sbalneav>
not yet. :)
11:18
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: look at it and be happy.
11:18
<Gadi>
XF86CONFIG_FILE is considered depracated and may not be a valid configuration parameter in future versions
11:18
;)
11:18
<sbalneav>
When was the last time you synced from me?
11:18
I've done a ton of cleanup in the last couple of days
11:18
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: this is synced of of you from yesterday sometime
11:19
<sbalneav>
You are a star
11:19
<vagrantc>
i'll check if there's anything missing
11:19
sbalneav: no commits since i branched off of yours.
11:20
sbalneav: so it should be clean.
11:20
Gadi: i think we could just have it be a silent backwards compatibility, and only document the correct new option
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<ogra>
but we could add that sentence anyway to the docs :)
11:22
<sbalneav>
patches look fine
11:22
applied.
11:23
VOTE
11:23
change XORG_CONF to X_CONF to make vagrantc smile.
11:23
Show of hands
11:23
<ogra>
+1 for having both options *and* Gadi's sentencs
11:23
<sbalneav>
+1
11:23
<ogra>
oh
11:23
<vagrantc>
+1
11:23
<Gadi>
++
11:23
<sbalneav>
All opposed?
11:24
Carried.
11:24
I'll patch in my tree.
11:24
<vagrantc>
ogra: wait, both XORG_CONF and X_CONF ... or XF86CONFIG_FILE ?
11:24
<sbalneav>
X_CONF and XF86CONFIG_FILE
11:24
<ogra>
right
11:24
<vagrantc>
ok, just making sure. :)
11:24
<ogra>
what scottie said
11:24
<sbalneav>
XORG_CONF is new anyway, so if we change it now, no harm done.
11:24
<vagrantc>
exactly.
11:25
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Haven't seen you smile, yet :)
11:25
<ogra>
he did
11:25
<vagrantc>
and then if another X implementation comes along, we don't have to feel compelled to change the variables again :)
11:25
<ogra>
7 lines above
11:25
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: been smiling the whole while :)
11:27
i think, if we ever change variable names for something, it should go in ltsp_config as a one-liner ... as long as they are totally compatible changes
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<vagrantc>
i.e. LOCALDEV=${LOCALDEV:-"$LOCAL_STORAGE"}
11:27
<ogra>
LOCAL_STORAGE was never used in ltsp5,do we really want to add it ?
11:27
<vagrantc>
X_CONF=${X_CONF:-"$XF86CONFIG_FILE"}
11:28
ogra: you alredy did.
11:28
<ogra>
me ?
11:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: you merged it
11:28
it's just backwards compatibility for 4.x
11:28
<ogra>
devel/gutsy-ltsp/debian/doc/Upgrading_4.2:LOCAL_STORAGE has been renamed LOCALDEV
11:29
ah
11:29
hmm
11:29
all your debian docs talk about inittab :/
11:30
we dont have that file since pre edgy ...
11:30
<vagrantc>
all the code uses LOCALDEV , but if they set LOCAL_STORAGE and not LOCALDEV, LOCALDEV gets populated with the value of LOCAL_STORAGE
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<vagrantc>
yes, debian still has /etc/inittab
11:30
it's like the freakin stone ages :P
11:30
<ogra>
yeah
11:31
i added two patches to gnome screensaver last week, you should probably try to get them into debian as well (even though i'm not sure they will work with the old versions debian has)
11:31
<Lumiere>
what replaced inittab?
11:31
<ogra>
upstart
11:32
actually inittab was replaced by /etc/event.d
11:32
but thats part of upstart
11:35
<Lumiere>
ic
11:36* Lumiere runs away
11:36
<Lumiere>
bbl
11:39
<sbalneav>
ogra: Oh, one other thing.
11:40
The bug that gavin had, about doing the control alt delete in the term to shut down?
11:40
<ogra>
yep
11:40
i'm waiting for response from KEybuk
11:40
<sbalneav>
You can fix that by replacing the "shutdown ...." with a "poweroff" in the upstart's event.d for ctl-alt-del in the client.
11:40
<ogra>
he was sick for some days, i just pinged him
11:41
<sbalneav>
So, I don't know if it's worth writing a plugin to patch that or not.
11:41
<ogra>
yeah, thats my plan (since edgy already) i just need to know if dpg-divert is safe for that
11:41
*dpkg-divert
11:41
so i wait for an ok from him
11:42
<vagrantc>
dpkg-divert is generally not ok for configuration files
11:43
<ogra>
well, the content is very unlikely to change ever :)
11:43
unless we decide to rename sutdown
11:43
*shutdown indeed
11:44
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Pushed.
11:44* vagrantc dances
11:44
<Gadi>
hey, i saw the conv earlier wrt directx - is there some xauth that should be created in general that is not, or is this just an isolated ltspfs thing?
11:44
<sbalneav>
heh, comment was: Change XORG_CONF to X_CONF per secret LTSP cabal vote
11:45
<ogra>
Gadi, it works for everyone else
11:45
<sbalneav>
I think this was an isolated thing.
11:45
<Gadi>
ok
11:45
<sbalneav>
Are we a cabal yet?
11:45
I've always wanted to be a member of a cabal.
11:45
<Gadi>
just making sure - i was wondering if the gnome-screensaver bug thing would have also been due to an xauth issue
11:46
<ogra>
no
11:46
<Gadi>
and the patch just circumvents it
11:46
<ogra>
the extension gss uses for teh fake fading isnt accessible remotely ...
11:47
<Gadi>
ah - its some direct rendering thing?
11:47
<ogra>
this fading patch is a very bad workaround from times where no composite extension was existing
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<ogra>
it forcably modifies the gamma settings of the screen
11:48
<sbalneav>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backbone_cabal
11:48
<Gadi>
interesting
11:48
<ogra>
its better implemented than the gnome-session fade though
11:48
(which i disabled in dapper already)
11:49* Gadi will try applying the patch to feisty's gss
11:50
<ogra>
might be that the functions changed their names ... gss and gpm like to do that between releases
11:50
<Gadi>
nice
11:50
<ogra>
but the patch is trivial
11:50
(three lines per file, two files)
11:51
sbalneav, did you take a look at the new printer gui already ?
11:51
<sbalneav>
No, not yet.
11:51
I'll poke it tonight.
11:53
<ogra>
WOW
11:53
we had 2.4 kernel handling code in the scripts ?
11:53
funny
11:54* ogra didnt even notice
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<sbalneav>
ok, going for a quick bite to eat.
12:15
be back in a bit.
12:17
<highvoltage>
sbalneav: subway? mcdonalds? :)
12:18
<ogra>
do they have these in winnipeg ?
12:28
<sbalneav>
Deli
12:28
Pastrami on Rye with hot mustard.
12:28
Yeah, we have those two.... dining establishments :)
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<ogra>
sbalneav, discussing with Keybuk in #ubuntu-devel btw
12:31
<sbalneav>
Oh
12:31* sbalneav pops over
12:34
<ogra>
sbalneav, ok, we'll just clean up the rc5.d and rc6.d dirs ... that way debian will benefit as well btw
12:34
and vagrantc will like us more :)
12:34
<sbalneav>
Makes sence.
12:35
err
12:35
sense
12:36
What would be the best way to do that? Cycle through the S* and K* files in the dir, find the link targets, and do an update-rc.d, or just rm*? :)
12:36* vagrantc wonders what y'all are cleaning up
12:37
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: USE update-rc.d PLEASE
12:37
<sbalneav>
That's what I was assuming we'd want :)
12:37
<vagrantc>
:)
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12:38
<vagrantc>
if, by some chance, they installed some other rc system, update-rc.d will make sure it behaves properly.
12:39
<ogra>
vagrantc, we'll use the RC cleanup scripts we have anyway
12:39
no need to write new code here
12:39
<sbalneav>
Who's going to do this? Ogra, you want to handle that one?
12:39
<vagrantc>
this is the RC_WHITELIST related code ?
12:39
<ogra>
yeah
12:39
we'll add a reboot and shutdown category and should be done
12:41
<sbalneav>
gutsy-ltsp's still your branch, right ogra?
12:41
vagrantc: btw, you've seen all the stuff I've been doing, you happy with it?
12:41* vagrantc wonders if the ltsp-drivers branch will ever see another commit
12:42
<sbalneav>
Oh, yeah
12:42
<ogra>
sbalneav, right
12:42
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i haven't really given it a good look-over ... a lot i'm happy about ... some makes me nervous
12:42
<ogra>
vagrantc, latest after release
12:43
<sbalneav>
After we're done with gutsy, and whatever vagrant wants, we'll update the -drivers one, and thats base for Haughty Hyeina
12:43
<ogra>
do you think it will be a hyeina ?
12:43
<sbalneav>
Or Horrible Hula-bird
12:43
<ogra>
hehe
12:44* sbalneav struggles to think of animals starting with H
12:44
<sbalneav>
Man, I'm drawing a blank
12:44
<vagrantc>
Hippo
12:44
<sbalneav>
Ah
12:44
Humungous Hippo
12:44
<ogra>
we had hedgehog already
12:44
so i'm not even sure we wont skip H
12:44
<vagrantc>
Hydra
12:44
<sbalneav>
Crumb, heading straight on to I then?
12:44
<ogra>
no idea ... sabdfl's call
12:44
<sbalneav>
Incontinent Ibis?
12:45
<ogra>
hehe
12:45
arent birds incontinent by nature ?
12:46
<sbalneav>
Carefree, I think would be a better description :)
12:46* ogra has never see a bird try to hold it back ...
12:46
<ogra>
*seen
12:47
<vagrantc>
i should give upstart a whirl on debian
12:47
<sbalneav>
Inconsolate Iguana
12:47
<vagrantc>
0.3.8-1 is in experimental
12:47
<ogra>
you wont notice any difference in speed yet though
12:47
not as long as not all initscripts are converted
12:48
<vagrantc>
it's all or nothing ?
12:48
<ogra>
sbalneav, my dictionary doesnt know Inconsolate :(
12:48
<vagrantc>
i.e. if 50% of the scripts are supported, it won't improve ?
12:48
<ogra>
well, it could
12:48
<sbalneav>
Very sad, and can't be comforted.
12:48
<ogra>
i dont think anybody tested that yet
12:49
<sbalneav>
I can't wait for O
12:50
<ogra>
oger ?
12:50
<sbalneav>
I'm voting for Obstreperous Orangutan
12:50
I hope you all know I'm sitting hear giggling to myself over stupid names?
12:51
I'm so easily amused.
12:51
<ogra>
:)
12:51
<sbalneav>
Does your dictionary have Obstreperous?
12:51
It's one of my favorite words.
12:51
<ogra>
yeah
12:51
together with bolshy
12:52
<sbalneav>
Bolshy?
12:52
That was in "A Clockwork Orange", wasn't it?
12:52
I.e "he have him a bolshy great tolchock"
12:53
<Blinny>
heh
12:53
bolshy \bolshy\ adj. : obsteperous. [British slang.]
12:53
Thank you dictionary applet!
12:53
<ogra>
:)
12:53
<Blinny>
(it doesn't have obsteperous)
12:54* ogra uses his own app for that ...
12:54
<sbalneav>
But does it have antidisestablishmentarianism?
12:54
<ogra>
my first C GUI app evah
12:54
yeah
12:54
together with disestablishment
12:55
<sbalneav>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidisestablishmentarianism
12:57
We skipped A
12:58
<ogra>
b and c as well
12:58
<sbalneav>
So, Antidisestablishmentarianism Aardvaark
12:58
We'll need bigger CD cases to hold the titles :)
12:58
<ogra>
i think mark will try to avoid to much political hints in the name :)
12:59
<sbalneav>
Think he really cares that much about 18th cenury church land reform? :)
12:59
I am, quite literally, laughing out loud now. :)
12:59
<ogra>
heh, who knows where that still is current :)
13:00
just remember the naked people wallpapers ....
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<sbalneav>
I still install ubuntu-calendar on all my boxes :)
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<ogra>
i think the thread on ubuntu-users was in the four digit realm ...
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<Blinny>
([a^]n*t[-e]*d[i^]s`[e^]s*t[a^]b`l[i^]sh*men*t[^a]r"[-e]*[a^]n*[i^]z'm), n.
13:05
*wave*
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<ogra>
sbalneav, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nbd/+bug/134572 meh
13:22
<sbalneav>
I already filed a patch on that, in another bug, but whoever maintains nbd in Ubuntu didn't apply it.
13:22
it comes from the fact that there's nothing in the default shipped nbd.conf file.
13:22
<ogra>
i did apply that
13:23
<sbalneav>
It never got updated...
13:23
<ogra>
that one is about nbd dying because it cant kill nbdrootd it seems
13:23
whic bug # ?
13:23
<sbalneav>
hmmmm. lemme look
13:23
<ogra>
i closed all nbd bugs i thought
13:23
<sbalneav>
hm
13:23
Well, maybe you did. Seems closed.
13:24
I can dig into it.
13:24
I'll poke it tonight. I'll assign it to me.
13:24
Hmm, I can't seemingly.
13:24
Can you assign it to me?
13:25
<ogra>
just added a comment
13:25
we probably clashed
13:25
note the LP UI changed
13:25
you need to click on the little arrow near "Assigned to" now
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<sbalneav>
Ahhh
13:27
Darn it. Just when I get used to how lunchpad works :)
13:27
<ogra>
might actually be the same bug that was fixed, lets see which version he uses
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<sbalneav>
Right, but I'll test it tonight, and if it works for me, then I'll post a "worksforme nyahnyahnyah"
13:28
<ogra>
:)
13:29
i think jammcq should really team up with system76 :)
13:29
they could sell awesome bundles
13:31
<sbalneav>
I like the System76 laptop I have
13:31
Nice little box.
13:31
<ogra>
i like the edubuntu server they sell ... :)
13:32
<sbalneav>
I'm planning on updating my box here at home come september. You *KNOW* which one I'm going to get now :)
13:32
<ogra>
i have another project for the EU where i need to buy a server for .... i wonder if i could convince them to ship it to germany
13:32
<sbalneav>
I've decided I need a dual core.
13:32
<ogra>
heh
13:32
i havent used anything with a case since ages :)
13:32
here at home at least
13:33* ogra has a 2m high 19" cabinet and 6 big machines sitting in the basement ... unconnected ...
13:34
<sbalneav>
Oooh. Comes with an ATI card.
13:34
Wonder if they have one with an Intel card?
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<ogra>
the server ?
13:37
<sbalneav>
yeah
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<sbalneav>
Nah, they're all ati's
13:38
Man, when's intel gonna get off their rumps and offer the intel graphics card as an add-in AGP card.
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<ogra>
no idea, i'm more intrested in an intel thin client :)
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<Gadi>
how much would you be willing to pay for an intel thin client?
13:51
;)
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<ogra>
200€
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<cliebow>
ogra:my birds hold it back..
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<ogra>
really ?
14:03
did you teach them to flush as well ? *g*
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<cliebow>
no..i taught them not to crap on me,..
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..,most of the time 8~)
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they get crosseyed and start shifting from one foot to the other
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<ogra>
hehe
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<lns>
I know this is OT, but this might provide some insight for common educational setups...I'm in a situation where I need to allow usernames of all numbers (such as 482746) which is based on the district's student ID#. When I try to add a user (using Ubuntu Feisty & LTSP) with useradd, it returns:
14:58
r# adduser 001
14:58
adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured
14:58
via the NAME_REGEX configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname'
14:58
option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX.
14:59
I tried --force-badname, but groupadd fails, which in return, fails the useradd...can anyone give insight on this, and any possible workarounds? For some reason, Ubuntu tells me the username must start with a letter and not a number.
15:03
interesting...actually useradd lets me, as long as the number isn't a 0...but Gnome "Users and Groups" doesn't let me either way.
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<vagrantc>
any thoughts on http://bugs.debian.org/437540
15:04
seems like 'make getltscfg' strips the binary
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<vagrantc>
if i run it manually, it gets stripped ...
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no idea how to generate an unstripped one
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<vagrantc>
ah, it seems LDFLAGS=-s is the culprit
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Would that be better for you if it were auto-tools-ized?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: no idea. i do know that removing the "-s" from LDFLAGS seems to work.
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<vagrantc>
i'll commit that for now for debian
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<sbalneav>
ok, let me know if converting it to a standard autotools package will be better for you. It'll only take me a 1/2 hour or so.
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<lns>
Just FYI...if you guys haven't looked at "Fedora Directory Server"...it might be something to consider using for an LDAP user database option, to integrate with larger LTSP setups. There seems to be Ubuntu setup docs at http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Howto:DebianUbuntu - this could be a really big step with LTSP..
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<cliebow_>
lns: i dont know the advantage over regular ldap..
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<cliebow_>
rjund!!!
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oops
16:45
rjune!!!
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<lns>
cliebow_, it has some very nice GUIs to go with it.. based on Netscape iPlanet server, which has been in dev. for over 10 years
16:46
i could totally see this integrated into LTSP administration tools, even more intimately with ubuntu specific users/group management for larger scale deployments
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<cliebow_>
i see..i kinda wrote me own..
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<lns>
cliebow_, you wrote gui tools for ldap?
16:48
<cliebow_>
course my database is deep npt flat
16:48
yeah..well sort of..some ...somecgi prel web pages for adding users etc
16:49
<lns>
oo
16:49
see, this is a big thing for me as a sysadmin/consultant at these schools... i need better user/group mgmt
16:49
and ldap just seems to be the way to go
16:49
so integrating a decade old server, with sooo many features...and OSS on top of that..seems like a good thing (tm)
16:50
<cliebow_>
i am sure totally insecure..but in this environment it works..ldap rocks if you are integrating windows machines
16:50
ans osx for that matter
16:50
<lns>
ldap is just so damn universal...it makes too much sense
16:51
personally, i think ldap should be the default for user/group management
16:51
for all dists
16:51
but thats just me :)
16:51
<cliebow_>
and you can add your own schema if you like..
16:51
<lns>
totally
16:51
cliebow_, are your tools open for use, or still in dev?
16:52
<cliebow_>
i had to emulate the active directory structure it replaced so it is not at all universal
16:53
they are not good for anything ore than a pattern for someone..
16:53
i built a little python set of buttons with tkinter to start some bash scripts at first
16:54
actually i built my own smbldap-installer
16:54
in bash
16:55
i am a real hack..but you are welcome to tear this stuff apart if you like..
16:58
<lns>
=) well i'm no programmer to any extent...
16:59
just a sysadmin, learning as much as i can as i go along (and can make a living off of) with linux
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<vagrantc>
evenin
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: What do we do for grabbing the hostname from the server in the initrd, if dhcpd passes it?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: we use it.
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<sbalneav>
ok
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I just fixed up the stock dhcpd.conf file a bit
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs
22:54
"fixed up" ?
22:54
<sbalneav>
added in a commented out line for get-lease-hostnames true;
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<sbalneav>
yeah, and fixed the indenting
22:55
have a look what I did
22:55
<vagrantc>
since upstream dhcp broke the next-server options, i think the default upstream LTSP dhcpd.conf should have next-server included
22:56
sbalneav: oh, maybe i misunderstood the question
22:56
sbalneav: you had to merge with yourself ?
22:56
<sbalneav>
yeah :)
22:57
I made some changes to my work copy, pushed
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then made changes to my home copy, but forgot to pull first :)
22:57* sbalneav dopeslaps self
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<sbalneav>
That whacky dangling else in the filename selection has bothered me for a long time.
22:58
Finally decided to do something about it :)
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