IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <lns> !meukow
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| 00:01 | <ltspbot> lns: Error: "meukow" is not a valid command.
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| 00:01 | <sbalneav> !muekow
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| 00:01 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "muekow" is MueKow represents the future of LTSP. Using the packages available in the distribution, an LTSP client is build locally, and supported by the distribution. You can see the future at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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| 00:02 | <lns> ahh =)
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| 00:03 | so when's gutsy gonna freeze? I hear so many good things about it =)
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| 00:03 | specially w/ltsp
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| 00:03 | <sbalneav> It'll be out in october
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| 00:04 | <lns> woo!
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| 00:04 | nice
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| 00:10 | <mystafa> sbalneav is ltsp support HP 1200?
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| 00:10 | <lns> "As for the name 'MueKow', it was part of an inside joke between sbalneav and myself." ....so...what's the joke? =p
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| 00:11 | <sbalneav> mystafa: First, lets finish with the cdrom problem
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| 00:11 | lns: If I told you, it wouldn't be an inside joke, would it?
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| 00:11 | :)
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| 00:11 | <lns> bah
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| 00:11 | lol
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| 00:12 | just don't tell me something about utters and your mouth. =p
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| 00:12 | <sbalneav> mystafa: have you got the cdrom in the drive?
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| 00:13 | As for the 1200, I have no experience with them.
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| 00:13 | All I've ever used have either been dot matrix's , or HP Laserjets
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| 00:14 | I know the 4000 series ones work well.
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| 00:14 | mystafa: are you there again?
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| 00:15 | <lns> sbalneav, have you used skolelinux, if so what do you think of it vs ubuntu+ltsp for an educational environment?
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| 00:16 | <mystafa> sbalneav yeah.. i'am here
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| 00:16 | <sbalneav> ok, so, have you got a cdrom in the drive?
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| 00:16 | <mystafa> yes
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| 00:17 | <sbalneav> And you can see it on the desktop?
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| 00:17 | lns: I work with Edubuntu, myself
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| 00:17 | <lns> oh ok
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| 00:18 | <mystafa> sbalneav yes,i see it.. two copies
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| 00:18 | <sbalneav> mystafa: can you paste the output of the "mount" command?
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| 00:19 | <mystafa> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
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| 00:19 | proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
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| 00:19 | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
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| 00:19 | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
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| 00:19 | udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
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| 00:19 | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
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| 00:19 | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
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| 00:19 | nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw)
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| 00:19 | rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw)
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| 00:19 | ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/system type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
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| 00:19 | ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/user type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
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| 00:19 | ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/atadisk-hda4 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
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| 00:19 | ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/atadisk-hda2 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
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| 00:19 | ltspfs on /tmp/.test-ltspfs/cdrom type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
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| 00:20 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 00:20 | <sbalneav> ls -la /media
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| 00:20 | Hey Q-FUNK!
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| 00:21 | <lns> zoiks!
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| 00:21 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 00:21 | <mystafa> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-08-18 09:37 .
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| 00:21 | drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2007-08-16 15:41 ..
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| 00:21 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-08-09 08:12 cdrom -> cdrom0
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| 00:21 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-09 08:12 cdrom0
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| 00:21 | -r-Sr-x--- 1 root root 0 2007-08-09 08:40 .hal-mtab-lock
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| 00:21 | drwxr-xr-x 7 root test 4096 2007-08-18 10:02 test
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| 00:23 | <sbalneav> ok, well, looks like vagrant's not putting links in media. Not sure how he's putting them in the desktop
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| 00:24 | so, the files are in /tmp/.test-ltspfs
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| 00:26 | <mystafa> heh.. it's there
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| 00:26 | about printer,i find one more thing
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| 00:27 | when i put at browser `localhost:631` it return's me `cups page` but...
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| 00:27 | when i taped `IP:631` it says that can't connect
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| 00:28 | IP - ip of client
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| 00:28 | <sbalneav> right
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| 00:28 | <mystafa> it's normal?
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| 00:28 | <sbalneav> Like I've said before
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| 00:28 | cups isnt running on the client.
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| 00:28 | it's not in the chroot
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| 00:28 | <mystafa> ok...
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| 00:29 | <Q-FUNK> the chroot is ONLY used to boot the client. everything else runs on the server host itself.
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| 00:30 | <mystafa> and what about supporting HP 1010 and 1300?
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| 00:31 | <lns> wow
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| 00:33 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: that is handled by cups.
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| 00:33 | <mystafa> you know... debian 4 is not supported it. but you can take a small firmware which is do so that HP1020 and 1018 is working on the deb and ubuntu too. but i can't take this firmware to the client. i gave it to him... but it still don't see printer
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| 00:34 | dmesg says - i see it! but it's not working
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| 00:34 | <lns> mystafa, i have one of those firmware-less hp printers at a site...it is such a pain to try to get working on the SERVER, let alone the client
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| 00:34 | <mystafa> i don't know what should i do with this :(
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| 00:34 | <lns> they're like winmodems...but printers
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| 00:35 | <mystafa> lns on the server is not a problem
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| 00:35 | <lns> mystafa, my personal suggestion would be to get a better supported printer
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| 00:35 | if you can
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| 00:35 | <mystafa> lns it takes me 10 min to start printing
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| 00:35 | now.. i can't do this :/
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| 00:36 | <lns> how far is the client from the server?
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| 00:36 | is it something an extra-long usb cable can't handle?
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| 00:36 | <mystafa> 3 floors ;-)
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| 00:37 | <lns> haha
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| 00:37 | ok nm
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| 00:37 | <mystafa> ;-)
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| 00:37 | <ltsppbot> "Q-FUNK" pasted "X.org config for Geode LX" (121 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/287
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| 00:37 | <lns> I gave up on our HPLJ1000 on a client...i was ending up spending hours, it just seemed totally futile to me
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| 00:38 | <mystafa> ok... let's talk about one more thing - if i can run this printer on the server, the client _must_ be able to run it too>
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| 00:38 | ?
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| 00:39 | <lns> mystafa, it probably can, but you're talking about something completely different here
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| 00:39 | CUPS runs on the server, not the client
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| 00:39 | these printers
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| 00:39 | are firmwareless, right?
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| 00:39 | <mystafa> yes
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| 00:39 | <lns> the driver contains the firmware that it has to download via tftp or something
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| 00:39 | over usb
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| 00:39 | before the printer can work
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| 00:40 | so
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| 00:40 | <mystafa> i gave this firmware to the client
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| 00:40 | <lns> ok
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| 00:40 | but cups is on the server, and needs to access the firmware
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| 00:40 | right? I mean, i'm no expert but i think thats how it works...
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| 00:40 | <mystafa> yeah... :(
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| 00:41 | <lns> so we're talking about a balancing act here
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| 00:41 | that might be less trouble to find a better supported printer...its like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip
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| 00:41 | that's just my take on it though
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| 00:41 | <mystafa> ;-)
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| 00:41 | ok...
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| 00:41 | thanks
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| 00:41 | <lns> I'm hoping to get some old HP laserjet 4/5/6P/2100's, they're pretty cheap
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| 00:42 | and they're rock solid i'm sure in linux, on the client/jetdirect
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| 00:42 | <mystafa> i'll find one manual.. on spanish
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| 00:42 | how to work with 1020
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| 00:42 | but - nothing! ;)
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| 00:42 | http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigos/verArtigo.php?codigo=5380&pagina=2 here
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| 00:44 | <sbalneav> mystafa: You're going to actually have to write some stuff to get it to work. Like I said before, we're using jetdirect as a mini print server, so you're going to have to get all that firmware stuff going in the thin client, where there's a much more limited environment.
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| 00:44 | I'm assuming this is for work, yes?
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| 00:45 | <mystafa> sbalneav for work?
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| 00:45 | <sbalneav> At work, you're trying to get this going where you work
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| 00:45 | right?
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| 00:45 | <mystafa> yes
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| 00:46 | <sbalneav> OK, for the amount of time you'll spend trying to get this to go, you could easily buy a $400 laser printer that will work flawlessly :)
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| 00:46 | <mystafa> ;-)
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| 00:46 | <sbalneav> I mean, we've spent 3 hours here already, right?
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| 00:46 | <lns> hehe..probably not what he wants to hear, but its the truth
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| 00:47 | <mystafa> say it to my director ;-)
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| 00:47 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 00:47 | <lns> i'll say it =)
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| 00:47 | <sbalneav> What's his email?
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| 00:47 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: see pm please!
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| 00:47 | <mystafa> ;))))))
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| 00:47 | oh guys ;-)
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| 00:47 | <lns> hey, nothing better to hear it from a developer himself!
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| 00:47 | <mystafa> i don't think that he is understand you 'cause he is russian ;)
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| 00:48 | <lns> babelfish ;)
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| 00:48 | <mystafa> if i can't do this... can't run this HP.. i'll say to buy a new printers ;-)
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| 00:48 | <lns> well...
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| 00:48 | <sbalneav> OK, well, good luck.
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| 00:48 | <mystafa> but now i WANT to configured it
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| 00:49 | sbalneav ;) thx
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| 00:49 | <lns> i'll come back in 24 hours after you have tried ;)
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| 00:49 | i know i have before
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| 00:49 | <mystafa> ;))))
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| 00:49 | <lns> it's really too bad HP likes making crap like that
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| 00:49 | <sbalneav> If it were me, I'd give one to your director for his home, and tell him you need to buy another one :)
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| 00:49 | Bribes always work well.
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| 00:49 | <lns> ooo
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| 00:49 | social engineering at your job! haha
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| 00:50 | very wise
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| 00:50 | <sn9_> hp sometimes makes very good complete crap
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| 00:50 | <lns> sn9_, lol
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| 00:51 | you really can't beat their enterprise level laser printers
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| 00:51 | but for the consumer market, they should all be drug out into the street and shot
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| 00:51 | <mystafa> great! HP 1010 is working!
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| 00:51 | <sn9_> the lasers that were all recalled?
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| 00:51 | <lns> don't you mean all of them?
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| 00:52 | <lns> mystafa, from the client?
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| 00:52 | <mystafa> yeah!
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| 00:52 | 1010
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| 00:52 | <sn9_> 0101
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| 00:52 | <lns> 1001
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| 00:52 | hmm
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| 00:52 | <sn9_> 0110
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| 00:52 | <mystafa> now i will try to change thae cable and run 1020
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| 00:53 | <lns> if that really works, mystafa, *highfive*
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| 00:53 | <mystafa> )
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| 00:53 | lns but it ptints some strange :/
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| 00:54 | <lns> shouldn't you replace the firmware with the 1020 firmware now?
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| 00:55 | <mystafa> i'll try it..
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| 00:55 | <sbalneav> Night all.
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| 00:55 | 1 am here
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| 00:55 | off to bed.
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| 01:01 | <sn9_> hmm, edubuntu supports the playstation3 as a client...
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| 01:07 | <lns> sn9_, hahaha
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| 01:07 | i can see a lab full of PS3s
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| 01:19 | <mystafa> lns it's working only when i give it firmware of 1020... and it's working not right. but - working ;)
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| 01:21 | <lns> good stuff mystafa
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| 01:34 | <mystafa> 1200 is working, but says when i'am running "test page" - PCL XL error
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| 01:47 | <mystafa> all ok... i've installed cupsys-driver-gimpprint,reinstall the printer,and it works
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| 02:07 | <mystafa> when i share my client printer with others should i make smb.conf on the client or on the server?
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| 02:12 | <sn9_> where is samba running?
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| 02:13 | <mystafa> sn9_ hm.. in server
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| 02:14 | <sn9_> no sense in a file smb.conf on a machine where samba is not running
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| 02:15 | <lns> mystafa, are you sharing that printer with windows clients?
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| 02:16 | <mystafa> sn9_ can you give a link to the doc where i can read how i must share the client's printer?
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| 02:16 | lns yes
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| 02:16 | <sn9_> you're already sharing it with the server
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| 02:16 | <lns> yeah - i mean all in all the server is hosting the printer, its just mapping the port to the client
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| 02:16 | right?
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| 02:17 | <mystafa> lns i don't understand you, sorry :( i'am trying to share the client's printer with win-machines on my net
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| 02:18 | i must only set `IP:9100`?
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| 02:19 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: are you on debian or ubuntu?
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| 02:19 | <mystafa> Q-FUNK debian
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| 02:20 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: noticing the number of questions you posted over the last few hours, may I suggest switchign to ubuntu? ubuntu pre-configures a lot of these services for you and is generally easier to maintain.
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| 02:21 | <mystafa> Q-FUNK no ;-) cause all of this question's is was about HP 1020... ubuntu doesn't support it too
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| 02:21 | <Q-FUNK> with debian, a lot of things are purposely not installed or not pre-configured, and this requires more advanced knowledge to get it running.
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| 02:21 | another issue is that printer configuration is completely out of this channel's scope.
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| 02:22 | ditto for samba configuration.
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| 02:22 | <mystafa> Q-FUNK no problem... i have a google ;-) but some things i'll asked here
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| 02:22 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: I'll repeat: this is the wrong channel where to ask.
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| 02:22 | <lns> i wish windows had a good cups client though :(
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| 02:22 | <mystafa> Q-FUNK why?
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| 02:23 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: this is #ltsp not #cups
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| 02:23 | <mystafa> Q-FUNK ok.thank ya.
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| 02:23 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: nothing wrong with asking questions, but please ask them to the right channel :)
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| 02:24 | <mystafa> LTSP is pre-configured to share all clients printers with win-mashines?
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| 02:25 | <Q-FUNK> no, that's distribution dependant.
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| 02:25 | <mystafa> ok
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| 02:26 | <lns> mystafa, i get the image of a clown trying to balance camels from his nose when you talk about your setup ;)
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| 02:26 | <mystafa> :)
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| 02:26 | <lns> you are a brave person
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| 02:26 | <mystafa> ;-)
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| 02:27 | <mystafa> i found it!
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| 02:27 | only one command shared it ;-)
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| 02:29 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: it could be useful to document your setup and write a HOWTO so that others in a similar situation as you can benefit from your findings. you could put it on the ubuntu wiki, for instance.
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| 02:29 | <mystafa> Q-FUNK i'll do it.. ;-)
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| 02:30 | Q-FUNK in russian, and in english
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| 02:30 | when i'am finished it
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| 02:30 | <sn9_> вот молодец
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| 02:30 | <mystafa> :-)
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| 02:31 | <Q-FUNK> russian would be nice, since the country is built on pirated µ$ products. it could go a long way towards helping LTSP adoption in the double-headed eagle land.
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| 02:31 | <mystafa> | |
| 02:31 | Q-FUNK ;-))
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| 02:31 | <Q-FUNK> mystafa: wrong encoding. try UTF-8 :)
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| 02:31 | <mystafa> ok ;-) later
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| 02:31 | <sn9_> ÷èòàåìî? can you read? <-- what we saw
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| 02:31 | <mystafa> i see )
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| 02:32 | <Q-FUNK> я немного говорю по русски тоже.
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| 02:32 | <sn9_> is the double-headed eagle back? i hadn't noticed
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| 02:33 | <Q-FUNK> sn9_: headless eagle would be more accurate nowadays, actually ;)
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| 02:33 | <sn9_> lol
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| 02:34 | <Q-FUNK> ah... our lovely putinic neighbors.
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| 02:34 | <sn9_> oh, right. you're right next door to there...
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| 02:34 | <Q-FUNK> yup. next door, twice: .ee & .fi
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| 02:35 | <sn9_> .ee doesn't really count anymore
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| 02:35 | <Q-FUNK> since when?
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| 02:36 | <sn9_> oh, i misread -- i thought you said .ee and .ru were next door to .fi
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| 02:36 | <Q-FUNK> yes and that is also accurate.
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| 02:36 | <sn9_> but in a different way
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| 02:36 | <Q-FUNK> tallinn is just 83km from helsinki.
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| 02:37 | and the language almost the same.
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| 02:37 | I live in .fi and work in .ee, thus .ru is my neighbor twice :)
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| 02:37 | <sn9_> ah, that explains it
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| 02:38 | * Q-FUNK is a frequent sailor. | |
| 02:38 | <Q-FUNK> someone should invent seamiles, instead of airmiles. i'd get free trips in no time.
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| 02:38 | <sn9_> nautical miles are already in use
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| 02:38 | <Q-FUNK> sn9_: I work for www.thincan.com
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| 02:39 | sn9_: yes, but not as bonus points for people frequently using the ferry :)
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| 02:39 | <sn9_> right
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| 02:39 | but most ferry systems offer discounts on bulk tickets
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| 02:40 | <Q-FUNK> yup. I use series tickets. it's not that much cheaper, though.
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| 02:41 | <sn9_> that red unit in the middle is nice-looking
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| 02:48 | <Q-FUNK> sn9_: yes, that was our first design. the casing costed a fortune to manufacture, though, which is why we switched to the simpler box design.
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| 02:49 | <sn9_> oh
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| 02:49 | <Q-FUNK> sn9_: another cool thing about the red one is that the top half could include an optional smartcard reader. the slot was just over the power button.
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| 02:56 | <jakobsg> USB question:
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| 02:57 | My users are having problems with storing files on there USB disk
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| 02:57 | When they pull it out and insert it in another machine the files are not there
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| 02:58 | Is this a sync problem, and where is the problem (server or thin client)?
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| 03:00 | <sn9_> well, both
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| 03:01 | it needs to synched on the server first, then on the client
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| 03:07 | <ogra> jakobsg, what kind of files are that ? are they very big ? and how are they being copied (commandline, filebrowser ?)
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| 03:08 | <jakobsg> Sorry, ogra my notifier failed me :-(
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| 03:08 | Mostly documents
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| 03:10 | <mystafa> ogra hi! ;-)
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| 03:10 | <jakobsg> ogra, On a fat client I would tell the user to make sure you have unmounted safely (knowing that the system calls sync to flush filesystems)
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| 03:11 | <ogra> ltspfs automatically unmounts the device 2 secs after the last data was written, it mounts it again on next access (the user doesnt see that)
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| 03:11 | <ogra> but we rely a bit on correwct GUI reporting of the write process with that indeed
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| 03:12 | <ogra> (if there is a progressbar, users wont pull out, if the progressbar is gone the unmount should have happened as well)
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| 03:12 | <jakobsg> How do you meen?
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| 03:12 | <ogra> so do they use a filemanager to copy the files ?
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| 03:12 | <jakobsg> yes, I think it was krusader
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| 03:13 | * ogra has never seen krusader | |
| 03:14 | <jakobsg> really it's quite popular
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| 03:14 | like total commander
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| 03:14 | <ogra> looks like a gui MC
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| 03:14 | <jakobsg> I normally never use a filemanager, but we have to think of the endusers
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| 03:14 | yes correct
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| 03:15 | <ogra> i bet it doesnt show progress bars for copying files :/
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| 03:15 | so your users might pull it out while writing is still going on :/
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| 03:15 | we tested exdtensively with nautilus and konqueror ...
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| 03:15 | <jakobsg> I can't remember but I think it does, cause it uses kio
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| 03:17 | <ogra> well, lets wait for sbalneav (should be on in some hours) and see what he thinks
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| 03:17 | <jakobsg> I am installing it now, to check :-)
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| 03:19 | yeah, it uses kio and thus has a progressbar :-)
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| 03:20 | ogra, OK
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| 03:47 | <klausade> ltsp5 on etch: I have in lts.conf [00:d0:5d:cd:5d:ab] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 and the printer shows up in dmesg on the client. but nmap gives me "9100/tcp closed jetdirect". I can bring it up as ltsp4-2 and it all works. any tips?
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| 03:49 | <ogra> klausade, /dev/lp0 exists (lp module is loaded etc )?
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| 04:06 | <klausade> ogra: well, i forgott to think about that. no, no lp and no /dev/lp0. A modprobe lp solved that one.
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| 04:06 | <ogra> ;)
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| 04:06 | add it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules it wont do any harm (we have it by default there in ubuntu)
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| 04:07 | <klausade> ogra: what else do you have there? on etch it's empty.
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| 04:09 | <ogra> only lp
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| 04:10 | <klausade> ok
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| 04:56 | <ari_stress> good afternoon :)
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| 05:24 | <klausade> ogra: adding lp to etc/modules helped a bit, now the moduls is loaded and /dev/lp0 is created at boot. but should i still see "9100/tcp closed jetdirect"?
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| 05:25 | <ogra> not really
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| 05:25 | look if jetpipe is running on the client
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| 05:25 | <ogra> you should see something like: jetpipe /dev/lp0 9100
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| 05:25 | in yourt ps output
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| 05:26 | <klausade> ogra: no result running ps auxw|grep jetpipe on the client.
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| 05:27 | atelast I have /usr/sbin/jetpipe
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| 05:27 | <ogra> good
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| 05:27 | try starting it manually :)
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| 05:27 | /usr/sbin/jetpipe /dev/lp0 9100
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| 05:27 | see what it says
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| 05:31 | <klausade> ogra: it actually says nothing. but nmap shows "9100/tcp open jetdirect" and I can see prints going through cups (the printer is 40 kilometers away)
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| 05:31 | ogra: dmesg is full of "lp0: ECP mode"
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| 05:32 | <ogra> seems it isnt started properly then :/
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| 05:33 | /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup has the code for that
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| 05:33 | it calls /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer <printer number>
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| 05:33 | see if /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 will start jetpipe as well
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| 05:42 | <klausade> ogra: /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer: line 12: /etc/ltsp_functions: No such file or directory
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| 05:42 | <ogra> ouch
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| 05:43 | seems the debian version of that script has a bug
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| 05:43 | at the very top it should say:
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| 05:43 | . /usr/lib/ltsp/ltsp_functions
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| 05:43 | i guess yours is saying /etc/ltsp_functions instead
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| 05:57 | <EXP2_> ogra, are you here?
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| 05:58 | <ogra> partially, yes
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| 05:59 | <EXP2_> i have still have problems with clients that have nvidia chipsets, i installed restricted modules, but when XSERVER=nvidia, i get a blank screen
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| 05:59 | <ogra> did you run ltsp-update-kernels ?
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| 06:00 | l-r-m regenerates the initramfs ... that needs to get copied to the tftp dir (teh above command does that)
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| 06:02 | <EXP2_> no change
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| 06:03 | <ogra> you installed nvidia-glx (or glx-legacy, depending on your card) as well ?
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| 06:06 | <mystafa> ogra, Q-FUNK, thank you very much guys for your help! all that i need - is working. at weekend i will write i wiki (-:
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| 06:06 | <ogra> yay, thanks :)
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| 06:06 | <mystafa> it the end, i'll choose a HP 1200 as a printer
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| 06:06 | <EXP2_> problem is that in need to disable hwcursor and enable swcursor in xorg.conf
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| 06:06 | <mystafa> ;-) thank YOU!
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| 06:06 | <EXP2_> that might help
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| 06:07 | <ogra> EXP2_, best is to use a static xorg.conf then
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| 06:07 | do you see the nvidia logo ?
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| 06:07 | <mystafa> see ya!
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| 06:07 | <ogra> mystafa, ciao, have fun
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| 06:08 | <mystafa> from Russia with love (-:
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| 06:09 | <ogra> EXP2_, if you dont see the logo yet, playing with cursor settings is pointless, then the driver situation is not right yet
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| 06:11 | <EXP2_> i see the logo
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| 06:11 | now it works
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| 06:11 | <ogra> ah, was it the -glx package ?
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| 06:12 | <EXP2_> yes
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| 06:12 | <ogra> :)
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| 06:12 | * ogra never tried compiz on nvidia... | |
| 06:12 | <EXP2_> any idea how this can be done in ltsp4.2?
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| 06:12 | <ogra> i knowits a lot faster than metacity on intel chipsets with ltsp5 though
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| 06:13 | EXP2_, for 4.2 you need to recompile everything afaik, but dont count on me here, nobody touched 4.2 since 1.5-2 years ...
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| 06:13 | and i started with 5
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| 06:15 | <EXP2_> i think that i'll wait until 7.10 released, then i change my other lab from 6.06 to that
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| 06:16 | these three others are are 7.04
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| 06:17 | <ogra> yeah, gutsy will gain you a lot speed :)
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| 06:19 | <klausade> yes, it says . /etc/ltsp_functions . But replacing that solved it, now it at least starts manually. but not yet at boot, have to work on that later.
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| 06:19 | <ogra> hmm, weird that it has this bug though
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| 06:19 | i thought vagrant pulled the printer stuff 1:1 from ubuntu
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| 06:30 | <klausade> ogra: ltsp-client-setup seems to contain no configure_printer()
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| 06:31 | <ogra> look if he moved it over to the other ltsp initscript then
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| 06:31 | (there are two)
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| 06:33 | <klausade> ogra: grep for it in etc in the chroot shows nothing.
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| 06:33 | <ogra> thats really bad
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| 06:33 | is that plain etch or the backported packages ?
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| 07:01 | <ari_stress> hi
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| 07:01 | !sound
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| 07:01 | <ltspbot> ari_stress: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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| 07:04 | <ari_stress> !ltsp5 sound
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| 07:04 | <ltspbot> ari_stress: Error: "ltsp5" is not a valid command.
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| 07:04 | <ari_stress> !ltsp5sound
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| 07:04 | <ltspbot> ari_stress: Error: "ltsp5sound" is not a valid command.
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| 07:43 | <waddowa> hi all
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| 07:45 | <waddowa> I've a problem with ltsp 5 and ubuntu 6.10 server. After 40 minutes the user session is broken.
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| 07:46 | I get a lot of errors like this: Aug 23 16:10:08 server gconfd (alessandro-21098): L'indirizzo "x
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| 07:46 | ml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" è stato risolta ad una sorgente di configurazione in sola lettura in posizione 0
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| 07:47 | <waddowa> anyone can help me?
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| 08:22 | <exodos> is there anybody using ltsp5 + firefox + flashplayer + libflashsupport + pulse?
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| 08:37 | <Mikaku> hi, I was searching for rdesktop 1.5 package but it seems the most recent version in LTSP is the 1.4.1
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| 08:38 | <Mikaku> anyone knows if there is a way to obtain the lastest version compiled for LTSP?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> rdesktop in debian and ubuntu is at 1.5 since some releases already
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| 08:40 | and nobody develops anything for ltsp 4.2 anymore (snice 2005 already)
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| 08:41 | <Mikaku> ogra: I've stuck in 4.2 since to get ltsp 5.0 it's more difficult than it is getting 4.2
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| 08:42 | <ogra> ???
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| 08:42 | <Mikaku> i mean for people out of Debian/Ubuntu systems
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| 08:42 | <ogra> two commands to install and set it up are to difficult ?
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| 08:42 | ah
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| 08:43 | well, there are tarballs
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| 08:43 | <Mikaku> where?
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| 08:43 | <ogra> but that needs a lot on the distro sidfe still
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| 08:43 | <Mikaku> it seems the tarball are very different for the one in 4.2
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| 08:43 | <ogra> !tarball
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| 08:43 | <ltspbot> ogra: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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| 08:43 | <ogra> sure
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| 08:43 | 4.2 is onbsolete and a totally different implem,entation
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| 08:43 | (and unmaintained since quite some time)
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| 08:44 | <Mikaku> the only tarball exists are for debian and ubuntu
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| 08:44 | there is not a *generic* tarball
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| 08:45 | <ogra> s/for/from ;)
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| 08:45 | no
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| 08:45 | there cant be a generic tarball
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| 08:45 | <Mikaku> 4.2 was
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| 08:45 | <ogra> since no such thing like a generic ltsp can exists with the ltsp5 approach
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| 08:46 | <Mikaku> :(
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| 08:46 | <highvoltage> why would the feisty tarball on http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#DownloadTarball be pre-release?
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| 08:46 | <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 08:47 | highvoltage, because jammcq iss a slacker
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| 08:47 | :P
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| 08:47 | <highvoltage> ogra: heh
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| 08:47 | <ogra> i asked him several times to update ... i dont have upload access to the server, else i'd have done it already and also put a gutsy tarball up
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| 08:47 | <Mikaku> it seems that ltsp 5 is closer to the distribution that ltsp 4 was
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| 08:48 | <ogra> Mikaku, it really doesnt matter on which system you unpack these tarballs
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| 08:48 | the ubuntu tarball will work on redhat or suse as well (with some fiddling)
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| 08:48 | <Mikaku> ogra: ok, i'll try to get the "Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) i386" as it seems the more *generic*
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| 08:49 | *tarball
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| 08:49 | <ogra> Mikaku, the target of ltsp5 is that all package maintenance is done by the distro ... so we can concentrate on the actual ltsp bits and dont need to do kernel security updates for example
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| 08:50 | <Mikaku> hence the difficulty to use ltsp on other systems than deb/ubu
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| 08:50 | <ogra> sadly the only distros that have picked it up with some effort are debian and ubuntu, redhat people tried but didnt finish, opensuse as well, gentoo is still ongoing
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| 08:50 | some derivative debian/ubuntu distrtos have it as well, i.e. altlinux
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| 08:51 | best thing to do is to poke your distro people to get it going ;)
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| 08:51 | <Mikaku> it would be useful to include the works of other distro in the same #downloads page
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| 08:51 | <ogra> we'll do that if they provide any code
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:37 | <ogra> !s
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| 09:37 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra!
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| 09:48 | <klausade> ogra: using the backported 5.0.8debian3 solved the problem with ltsp5 as printserver. now it works.
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| 09:48 | <ogra> good
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| 09:49 | i know the original etch packages didnt have printing support due to the license situatuion with lp_server (the former jetpipe implementation)
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| 09:50 | <klausade> ogra: yes, I remember.
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| 10:01 | <Blinny> ogra: Do you include fedora in that 'redhat/suse' comment about ltsp5 working w/ fiddling?
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| 10:02 | Say, FC6 or F7
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| 10:02 | <ogra> Blinny, nobody from redhat/fedora has sent in any code aet, yes, that includes them
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| 10:02 | *yet
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> Dig.
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| 10:02 | <ogra> and afaik there is nothing going on atm ... i know there is stuff planned since quite some time, but nobody to take up the work
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> Damn.
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| 10:03 | <ogra> rh is stuck with missing manpower (even i wonder why, canonical isnt 10% of the size of RH and we manage to have a dedicated dev for it)
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| 10:03 | <Blinny> The rise & fall of distros is disturbing when trying to settle on a single framework to stick with for 5-10 years.
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| 10:03 | <ogra> and opensuse struggles with the image creation, they wanted to use something called kiwi, but seems that didnt work out yet
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> *Nod*
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| 10:05 | It seems to me like a distro's meteoric rise (ala fedora a few years ago, ala ubuntu currently) sucks devs to handling niggling support/tweaking issues, which stagnates development & integration, which gives rise to another distro's meteoric rise.
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| 10:05 | Plus, developers are fickle. I grow tired of languages/platforms and am more interested in newer stuff than well-known.
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| 10:05 | <ogra> ubuntu wont drop ltsp development
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| 10:06 | even if canonical would die ...
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> Fedora hasn't dropped ltsp development either. It's just not a priority. (:
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| 10:06 | <ogra> they never sponsored it
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| 10:06 | it was a personal effort of eric
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> True. I'm thinking more of K12 here.
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| 10:06 | Yeah.
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| 10:07 | <ogra> 5the thing is that they really miss a big business opportunity
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| 10:07 | <Blinny> How so?
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| 10:07 | <ogra> http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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| 10:07 | <highvoltage> red hat should invite the ltsp guys to whatever they have that's similar to UDS
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| 10:07 | <ogra> ppreinstalled ltsp servers for example
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| 10:07 | <highvoltage> (and suse too)
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| 10:08 | <ogra> they are free to come to a UDS ....
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| 10:08 | we invite most of the ltsp devs anyway and its usually tightly coupled with and ltsp BTS conference
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| 10:08 | we also had the hackfest in 2005 where we invited all distros
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| 10:09 | RH at least sent someone :)
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| 10:09 | even the outcome was moot
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> ogra: Togami?
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| 10:09 | <highvoltage> indeed, I just figured it would make it easier for red hat and suse to get ltsp integrated if they had ltsp people over.
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| 10:09 | <ogra> yewp
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> *sigh*
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| 10:09 | <ogra> Blinny, but only because eric got pushy i think
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> BTW I like that 76.com
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| 10:10 | <ogra> i know rjune has massive interest to get it rolling .. but i havent heard about the status yet
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> ogra: Because he wanted continued ownership?
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| 10:10 | (Eric, I mean)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> yeah, to sad they dont bundle it with a set of nice clients as well
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| 10:10 | no idea what erics motivation was here
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> No doubt.
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| 10:11 | <ogra> but ltsp5 somewhat forces that a distro dev works on it as well
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| 10:11 | i think eric doesnt have the upload powers you nbeed to get it going properly
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| 10:11 | (there is more involved on the distro package side than you would think :) )
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| 10:11 | (for ltsp5)
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| 10:11 | <Blinny> Oh I'm sure.
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| 10:12 | <Blinny> It's all a dark sack into which I reach my hand.
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| 10:12 | <Blinny> Every now and then I see a 'xorg' or a 'tftp' float to the top of the sack, but other than that it's unintelligible.
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| 10:13 | BBIAB - Thanks for the chat
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| 10:13 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:23 | <monteslu> sbalneav, or ogra, still around?
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| 10:23 | need some help with local devices
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> Yuppers!
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| 10:23 | <monteslu> coolness
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| 10:23 | I´ve tried everything
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| 10:23 | fixed the GIDs between ldap server
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| 10:23 | fixed udev rule
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| 10:24 | added a+x to fusermount
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| 10:24 | and still nada
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> ok, so
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| 10:26 | You're logged into a thin client now, right?
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| 10:26 | <monteslu> yup
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| 10:26 | can see from dmesg that it sees the thumbdrive
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| 10:27 | even gives me a /dev/sda1
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| 10:27 | but it doesnt look like its mounted anywhere
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| 10:27 | that was from the shell
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> ok, what happens if you type ltspfs <wsip>:/tmp <somedir>
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| 10:28 | <monteslu> from X, im not seeing anything being added to
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> make a dir in your home directory
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| 10:28 | like, say, foo
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| 10:28 | so ltspfs 192.168.0.whatever:/tmp ~/foo
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| 10:29 | <monteslu> doh
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| 10:29 | permission denied
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| 10:29 | No matches found, authority file "-" not written
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> env | grep DISPLAY
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| 10:31 | <monteslu> DISPLAY=192.168.0.60:6.0
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> xauth extract - 192.168.0.60:6.0
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| 10:33 | <monteslu> No matches found, authority file "-" not written
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> ls -al .Xauthority
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| 10:34 | <monteslu> -rw------- 1 monteslu Domain Users 153 2007-08-15 11:58 .Xauthority
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> env | grep XAUTH
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| 10:34 | <monteslu> nothing
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> ok, something's not adding an xauth key on login
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| 10:36 | <monteslu> does it matter that screen_07 is set at ldm and 8 is shell ?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> Nope
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| 10:37 | <monteslu> what normally adds the xauth key ?
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> ldm
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| 10:38 | <monteslu> im useing the directx patched one
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| 10:38 | maybe i need to grab a newer version
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> No, it has the stuff in there.
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| 10:39 | On your screen 08, shell, have a look in /tmp
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| 10:39 | there should be a file called "fileS76DJG" or something. A file with a random name
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| 10:39 | but it will start with the word "file"
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| 10:40 | what's it's size?
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| 10:40 | <monteslu> nothing named like that
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> What's in there?
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| 10:42 | <monteslu> there is a .ltpfs-socket tmpUU44p--
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| 10:42 | and ..
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> ah, ok, maybe it's tmpuUUblah
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| 10:42 | what's it's size?
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| 10:42 | <monteslu> .X11-unix and .X6-lock
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| 10:42 | 50 bytes, rw to root only
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| 10:43 | its contents say something about a magic cookie
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> ok, so you've got a magic cooooookie.
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| 10:44 | xauth -f /tmp/tmpUUwhatever list
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| 10:44 | on screen_08
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| 10:45 | <monteslu> it output more magic cookie stuff
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| 10:45 | sorry cant cut and paste from there :)
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> something like 192.168.0.60:6 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE abunchofhexdigits
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| 10:47 | the first bit's the important stuff for us.
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| 10:47 | <monteslu> ltsp1/unix:6
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| 10:48 | <ogra> sbalneav, why are you looing for xauth cookies, its ignored ...
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| 10:48 | *looking
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> ignored on the server.
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| 10:48 | <ogra> last time i looked we ran ltspfsd -a on te client
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> ltspfs on the client still runs the auth command.
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| 10:49 | sorry, xauth
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| 10:49 | it sends the data, the server just ignores it.
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| 10:49 | <ogra> huh ? and why dont other people every see that prob ?
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> They don't
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| 10:49 | <ogra> right
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> something with monteslu's xauth system is mucked up
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| 10:50 | I'm suspecting it's something he's got in his environment.
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| 10:50 | <ogra> i dont see how that could happen
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| 10:50 | <monteslu> could it have anything to do with old user accounts?
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| 10:50 | im connecting edubuntu to an ldap server that was previously for fedora ltsp servers
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> Well, don't know what to tell yo.
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| 10:51 | <monteslu> all student accounts are new, but mine and the teachers are the same
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| 10:51 | Iĺl try it with another account
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| 10:51 | <ogra> it could have to do with user writability to ~/.Xauthority
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| 10:51 | but eve then
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> the core of your problem is that the command "xauth extract - 192.168.0.60:6.0" returns an error
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| 10:52 | what happens if you just type "xauth extract -"
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| 10:52 | <ogra> could you try without LDM_DIRECTX set ?
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| 10:52 | <sbalneav> without the ip addr
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| 10:53 | <monteslu> xauth: (argv):1: bad "extract" command line
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| 10:54 | Iĺl try without ldmdirectx
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| 10:54 | <sbalneav> ah, yeah
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| 10:54 | hm
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| 10:54 | try without the directx
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| 10:54 | <monteslu> booting another client...
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| 10:54 | <bazz> hello hello hello
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| 10:57 | <bazz> anyone around that I could shoot a few questions too?
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| 10:57 | <monteslu> sbalneav, ogra, that was it
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| 10:57 | ldm_directx
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| 10:58 | this will probably fix it for dtrask as well
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| 10:58 | gutsy will have the new fast ldmdirectx right?
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| 10:58 | <bazz> Can anyone point me in the correct direction, on how I may be able to set up LTSP to to have a Win4lin windows session full screen at logon?
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| 10:59 | <monteslu> but no ldm_directx is gonna mean slow games and flash stuff I think
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> ldm_directx should be about the same speed as XDMCP
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| 11:00 | <ogra> vagrantc, right
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> slightly slower for login, but otherwise about the same
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| 11:01 | <ogra> hs prob is that localdev doesnt work with ldm_directx
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| 11:01 | which is weird, since it works on all other setups it seems ... i havent heard complaints yet at all
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> odd.
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> yeah, worked for me
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| 11:01 | <monteslu> its ldm_directx + smbldap, which probably isnt as common
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> there's *nothing* different with LDM_DIRECTX than normal LDM logins
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| 11:02 | <ogra> yeah, seems like
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> works without LDM_DIRECTX ?
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| 11:02 | <ogra> vagrantc, scottie just tld me ltspfs on the server still checks xauth first
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> hmm.
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| 11:02 | <ogra> which surprised me a bit ...
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| 11:04 | vagrantc, seen that btw ? http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: oh, i have some patches for you: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/ubuntu/vagrant-gutsy
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| 11:07 | <monteslu> sbalneav, ogra, thanks. Iĺl see if I can live without ldm_directx for a little while
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| 11:07 | <highvoltage> those eland pedestal boxes are what we used in the tuxlabs
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| 11:08 | they give *great* value for money
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| 11:08 | <ogra> monteslu, dtrask has the same setup as moquist btw, it works fine for moquist afak
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| 11:08 | <monteslu> yeah, but it was dtraskś advice that i used ldm_directx
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: OK, should I merge?
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| 11:09 | <ogra> highvoltage, edubuntu preinstalled ;)
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| 11:09 | <monteslu> otherwise heś doing the same thing I am. old k12 user with smbldap now using edubuntu servers
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| 11:09 | <highvoltage> ogra: oooh!
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| 11:09 | <monteslu> and he was having local dev problems
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| 11:09 | <highvoltage> ogra: just a pity system76 only ships to US and Canada :(
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| 11:09 | <ogra> monteslu, fue related though
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| 11:10 | *fuse
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| 11:10 | <monteslu> dont know if adding the group fixed it for him though
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| 11:10 | Iĺl follow up on the list
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| 11:10 | <highvoltage> wow, ltsp must work nicely with a quad core cpu
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| 11:10 | <ogra> sure
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| 11:10 | <monteslu> off to work...
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i think so :)
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| 11:11 | sbalneav: it's just a couple simple patches
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| 11:13 | sbalneav: so we don't have to maintain both XORG_CONF and XF86CONFIG_FILE in all the code, basically.
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| 11:13 | * vagrantc still would prefer X_CONF since all the other X related values begin with X_ | |
| 11:15 | <vagrantc> ogra: how soon till feature freeze ?
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| 11:15 | <ogra> -1 week
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> ogra: You got any problem with dropping XF86CONFIG_FILE, and moving to just an X_CONF variable?
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| 11:16 | We could just post a notice saying you need to fix up existing lts.conf files.
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, my patches still support XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 11:16 | <ogra> sbalneav, i dont, the users might
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> I'm happy to just switch, and notify people of the change.
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> it's a one-liner to maintain complete backwards compatibility
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> s/XF86CONFIG_FILE/X_CONF/g in vi is easy to do.
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: have you looked at my patch ?
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> not yet. :)
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: look at it and be happy.
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> XF86CONFIG_FILE is considered depracated and may not be a valid configuration parameter in future versions
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| 11:18 | ;)
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> When was the last time you synced from me?
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| 11:18 | I've done a ton of cleanup in the last couple of days
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: this is synced of of you from yesterday sometime
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> You are a star
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> i'll check if there's anything missing
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| 11:19 | sbalneav: no commits since i branched off of yours.
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| 11:20 | sbalneav: so it should be clean.
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| 11:20 | Gadi: i think we could just have it be a silent backwards compatibility, and only document the correct new option
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| 11:22 | <ogra> but we could add that sentence anyway to the docs :)
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> patches look fine
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| 11:22 | applied.
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| 11:23 | VOTE
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| 11:23 | change XORG_CONF to X_CONF to make vagrantc smile.
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| 11:23 | Show of hands
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| 11:23 | <ogra> +1 for having both options *and* Gadi's sentencs
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> +1
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| 11:23 | <ogra> oh
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| 11:23 | <vagrantc> +1
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> ++
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> All opposed?
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| 11:24 | Carried.
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| 11:24 | I'll patch in my tree.
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: wait, both XORG_CONF and X_CONF ... or XF86CONFIG_FILE ?
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> X_CONF and XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 11:24 | <ogra> right
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> ok, just making sure. :)
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| 11:24 | <ogra> what scottie said
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> XORG_CONF is new anyway, so if we change it now, no harm done.
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> exactly.
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Haven't seen you smile, yet :)
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| 11:25 | <ogra> he did
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> and then if another X implementation comes along, we don't have to feel compelled to change the variables again :)
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| 11:25 | <ogra> 7 lines above
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: been smiling the whole while :)
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| 11:27 | i think, if we ever change variable names for something, it should go in ltsp_config as a one-liner ... as long as they are totally compatible changes
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> i.e. LOCALDEV=${LOCALDEV:-"$LOCAL_STORAGE"}
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| 11:27 | <ogra> LOCAL_STORAGE was never used in ltsp5,do we really want to add it ?
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> X_CONF=${X_CONF:-"$XF86CONFIG_FILE"}
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| 11:28 | ogra: you alredy did.
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| 11:28 | <ogra> me ?
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: you merged it
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| 11:28 | it's just backwards compatibility for 4.x
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| 11:28 | <ogra> devel/gutsy-ltsp/debian/doc/Upgrading_4.2:LOCAL_STORAGE has been renamed LOCALDEV
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| 11:29 | ah
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| 11:29 | hmm
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| 11:29 | all your debian docs talk about inittab :/
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| 11:30 | we dont have that file since pre edgy ...
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> all the code uses LOCALDEV , but if they set LOCAL_STORAGE and not LOCALDEV, LOCALDEV gets populated with the value of LOCAL_STORAGE
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> yes, debian still has /etc/inittab
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| 11:30 | it's like the freakin stone ages :P
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| 11:30 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:31 | i added two patches to gnome screensaver last week, you should probably try to get them into debian as well (even though i'm not sure they will work with the old versions debian has)
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| 11:31 | <Lumiere> what replaced inittab?
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| 11:31 | <ogra> upstart
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| 11:32 | actually inittab was replaced by /etc/event.d
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| 11:32 | but thats part of upstart
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| 11:35 | <Lumiere> ic
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| 11:36 | * Lumiere runs away | |
| 11:36 | <Lumiere> bbl
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> ogra: Oh, one other thing.
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| 11:40 | The bug that gavin had, about doing the control alt delete in the term to shut down?
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| 11:40 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:40 | i'm waiting for response from KEybuk
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> You can fix that by replacing the "shutdown ...." with a "poweroff" in the upstart's event.d for ctl-alt-del in the client.
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| 11:40 | <ogra> he was sick for some days, i just pinged him
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| 11:41 | <sbalneav> So, I don't know if it's worth writing a plugin to patch that or not.
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| 11:41 | <ogra> yeah, thats my plan (since edgy already) i just need to know if dpg-divert is safe for that
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| 11:41 | *dpkg-divert
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| 11:41 | so i wait for an ok from him
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> dpkg-divert is generally not ok for configuration files
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| 11:43 | <ogra> well, the content is very unlikely to change ever :)
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| 11:43 | unless we decide to rename sutdown
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| 11:43 | *shutdown indeed
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Pushed.
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| 11:44 | * vagrantc dances | |
| 11:44 | <Gadi> hey, i saw the conv earlier wrt directx - is there some xauth that should be created in general that is not, or is this just an isolated ltspfs thing?
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> heh, comment was: Change XORG_CONF to X_CONF per secret LTSP cabal vote
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| 11:45 | <ogra> Gadi, it works for everyone else
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> I think this was an isolated thing.
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> Are we a cabal yet?
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| 11:45 | I've always wanted to be a member of a cabal.
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> just making sure - i was wondering if the gnome-screensaver bug thing would have also been due to an xauth issue
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| 11:46 | <ogra> no
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> and the patch just circumvents it
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| 11:46 | <ogra> the extension gss uses for teh fake fading isnt accessible remotely ...
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> ah - its some direct rendering thing?
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| 11:47 | <ogra> this fading patch is a very bad workaround from times where no composite extension was existing
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| 11:47 | <ogra> it forcably modifies the gamma settings of the screen
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backbone_cabal
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> interesting
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| 11:48 | <ogra> its better implemented than the gnome-session fade though
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| 11:48 | (which i disabled in dapper already)
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| 11:49 | * Gadi will try applying the patch to feisty's gss | |
| 11:50 | <ogra> might be that the functions changed their names ... gss and gpm like to do that between releases
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> nice
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| 11:50 | <ogra> but the patch is trivial
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| 11:50 | (three lines per file, two files)
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| 11:51 | sbalneav, did you take a look at the new printer gui already ?
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> No, not yet.
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| 11:51 | I'll poke it tonight.
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| 11:53 | <ogra> WOW
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| 11:53 | we had 2.4 kernel handling code in the scripts ?
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| 11:53 | funny
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| 11:54 | * ogra didnt even notice | |
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| 11:56 | * ogra needs to reboot, new kernel ... brb | |
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| 12:15 | <sbalneav> ok, going for a quick bite to eat.
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| 12:15 | be back in a bit.
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| 12:17 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: subway? mcdonalds? :)
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| 12:18 | <ogra> do they have these in winnipeg ?
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> Deli
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| 12:28 | Pastrami on Rye with hot mustard.
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| 12:28 | Yeah, we have those two.... dining establishments :)
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| 12:31 | <ogra> sbalneav, discussing with Keybuk in #ubuntu-devel btw
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| 12:31 | <sbalneav> Oh
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| 12:31 | * sbalneav pops over | |
| 12:34 | <ogra> sbalneav, ok, we'll just clean up the rc5.d and rc6.d dirs ... that way debian will benefit as well btw
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| 12:34 | and vagrantc will like us more :)
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| 12:34 | <sbalneav> Makes sence.
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| 12:35 | err
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| 12:35 | sense
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| 12:36 | What would be the best way to do that? Cycle through the S* and K* files in the dir, find the link targets, and do an update-rc.d, or just rm*? :)
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| 12:36 | * vagrantc wonders what y'all are cleaning up | |
| 12:37 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: USE update-rc.d PLEASE
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| 12:37 | <sbalneav> That's what I was assuming we'd want :)
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 12:37 | tux_440volt is now known as BRB | |
| 12:37 | BRB is now known as tux_440volt | |
| 12:38 | <vagrantc> if, by some chance, they installed some other rc system, update-rc.d will make sure it behaves properly.
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| 12:39 | <ogra> vagrantc, we'll use the RC cleanup scripts we have anyway
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| 12:39 | no need to write new code here
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| 12:39 | <sbalneav> Who's going to do this? Ogra, you want to handle that one?
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> this is the RC_WHITELIST related code ?
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| 12:39 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:39 | we'll add a reboot and shutdown category and should be done
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| 12:41 | <sbalneav> gutsy-ltsp's still your branch, right ogra?
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| 12:41 | vagrantc: btw, you've seen all the stuff I've been doing, you happy with it?
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| 12:41 | * vagrantc wonders if the ltsp-drivers branch will ever see another commit | |
| 12:42 | <sbalneav> Oh, yeah
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| 12:42 | <ogra> sbalneav, right
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i haven't really given it a good look-over ... a lot i'm happy about ... some makes me nervous
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| 12:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, latest after release
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| 12:43 | <sbalneav> After we're done with gutsy, and whatever vagrant wants, we'll update the -drivers one, and thats base for Haughty Hyeina
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| 12:43 | <ogra> do you think it will be a hyeina ?
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| 12:43 | <sbalneav> Or Horrible Hula-bird
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| 12:43 | <ogra> hehe
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| 12:44 | * sbalneav struggles to think of animals starting with H | |
| 12:44 | <sbalneav> Man, I'm drawing a blank
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> Hippo
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> Ah
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| 12:44 | Humungous Hippo
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| 12:44 | <ogra> we had hedgehog already
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| 12:44 | so i'm not even sure we wont skip H
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> Hydra
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> Crumb, heading straight on to I then?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> no idea ... sabdfl's call
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> Incontinent Ibis?
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| 12:45 | <ogra> hehe
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| 12:45 | arent birds incontinent by nature ?
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| 12:46 | <sbalneav> Carefree, I think would be a better description :)
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| 12:46 | * ogra has never see a bird try to hold it back ... | |
| 12:46 | <ogra> *seen
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> i should give upstart a whirl on debian
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| 12:47 | <sbalneav> Inconsolate Iguana
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> 0.3.8-1 is in experimental
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| 12:47 | <ogra> you wont notice any difference in speed yet though
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| 12:47 | not as long as not all initscripts are converted
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> it's all or nothing ?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> sbalneav, my dictionary doesnt know Inconsolate :(
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> i.e. if 50% of the scripts are supported, it won't improve ?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> well, it could
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| 12:48 | <sbalneav> Very sad, and can't be comforted.
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| 12:48 | <ogra> i dont think anybody tested that yet
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| 12:49 | <sbalneav> I can't wait for O
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| 12:50 | <ogra> oger ?
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| 12:50 | <sbalneav> I'm voting for Obstreperous Orangutan
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| 12:50 | I hope you all know I'm sitting hear giggling to myself over stupid names?
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| 12:51 | I'm so easily amused.
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| 12:51 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> Does your dictionary have Obstreperous?
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| 12:51 | It's one of my favorite words.
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| 12:51 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:51 | together with bolshy
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| 12:52 | <sbalneav> Bolshy?
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| 12:52 | That was in "A Clockwork Orange", wasn't it?
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| 12:52 | I.e "he have him a bolshy great tolchock"
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| 12:53 | <Blinny> heh
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| 12:53 | bolshy \bolshy\ adj. : obsteperous. [British slang.]
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| 12:53 | Thank you dictionary applet!
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| 12:53 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:53 | <Blinny> (it doesn't have obsteperous)
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| 12:54 | * ogra uses his own app for that ... | |
| 12:54 | <sbalneav> But does it have antidisestablishmentarianism?
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| 12:54 | <ogra> my first C GUI app evah
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| 12:54 | yeah
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| 12:54 | together with disestablishment
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| 12:55 | <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidisestablishmentarianism
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| 12:57 | We skipped A
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| 12:58 | <ogra> b and c as well
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| 12:58 | <sbalneav> So, Antidisestablishmentarianism Aardvaark
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| 12:58 | We'll need bigger CD cases to hold the titles :)
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| 12:58 | <ogra> i think mark will try to avoid to much political hints in the name :)
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> Think he really cares that much about 18th cenury church land reform? :)
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| 12:59 | I am, quite literally, laughing out loud now. :)
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| 12:59 | <ogra> heh, who knows where that still is current :)
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| 13:00 | just remember the naked people wallpapers ....
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| 13:00 | <sbalneav> I still install ubuntu-calendar on all my boxes :)
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| 13:00 | <ogra> i think the thread on ubuntu-users was in the four digit realm ...
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| 13:05 | *wave*
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| 13:21 | <ogra> sbalneav, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nbd/+bug/134572 meh
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> I already filed a patch on that, in another bug, but whoever maintains nbd in Ubuntu didn't apply it.
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| 13:22 | it comes from the fact that there's nothing in the default shipped nbd.conf file.
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| 13:22 | <ogra> i did apply that
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> It never got updated...
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| 13:23 | <ogra> that one is about nbd dying because it cant kill nbdrootd it seems
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| 13:23 | whic bug # ?
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> hmmmm. lemme look
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| 13:23 | <ogra> i closed all nbd bugs i thought
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 13:23 | Well, maybe you did. Seems closed.
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| 13:24 | I can dig into it.
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| 13:24 | I'll poke it tonight. I'll assign it to me.
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| 13:24 | Hmm, I can't seemingly.
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| 13:24 | Can you assign it to me?
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| 13:25 | <ogra> just added a comment
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| 13:25 | we probably clashed
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| 13:25 | note the LP UI changed
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| 13:25 | you need to click on the little arrow near "Assigned to" now
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Ahhh
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| 13:27 | Darn it. Just when I get used to how lunchpad works :)
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| 13:27 | <ogra> might actually be the same bug that was fixed, lets see which version he uses
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> Right, but I'll test it tonight, and if it works for me, then I'll post a "worksforme nyahnyahnyah"
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| 13:28 | <ogra> :)
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| 13:29 | i think jammcq should really team up with system76 :)
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| 13:29 | they could sell awesome bundles
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> I like the System76 laptop I have
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| 13:31 | Nice little box.
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| 13:31 | <ogra> i like the edubuntu server they sell ... :)
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> I'm planning on updating my box here at home come september. You *KNOW* which one I'm going to get now :)
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| 13:32 | <ogra> i have another project for the EU where i need to buy a server for .... i wonder if i could convince them to ship it to germany
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> I've decided I need a dual core.
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| 13:32 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:32 | i havent used anything with a case since ages :)
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| 13:32 | here at home at least
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| 13:33 | * ogra has a 2m high 19" cabinet and 6 big machines sitting in the basement ... unconnected ... | |
| 13:34 | <sbalneav> Oooh. Comes with an ATI card.
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| 13:34 | Wonder if they have one with an Intel card?
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| 13:34 | <ogra> the server ?
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> Nah, they're all ati's
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| 13:38 | Man, when's intel gonna get off their rumps and offer the intel graphics card as an add-in AGP card.
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| 13:42 | <ogra> no idea, i'm more intrested in an intel thin client :)
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> how much would you be willing to pay for an intel thin client?
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| 13:51 | ;)
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| 13:53 | <ogra> 200€
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| 14:03 | <cliebow> ogra:my birds hold it back..
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| 14:03 | <ogra> really ?
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| 14:03 | did you teach them to flush as well ? *g*
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| 14:05 | <cliebow> no..i taught them not to crap on me,..
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| 14:06 | ..,most of the time 8~)
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| 14:06 | they get crosseyed and start shifting from one foot to the other
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| 14:08 | <ogra> hehe
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| 14:58 | <lns> I know this is OT, but this might provide some insight for common educational setups...I'm in a situation where I need to allow usernames of all numbers (such as 482746) which is based on the district's student ID#. When I try to add a user (using Ubuntu Feisty & LTSP) with useradd, it returns:
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| 14:58 | r# adduser 001
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| 14:58 | adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured
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| 14:58 | via the NAME_REGEX configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname'
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| 14:58 | option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX.
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| 14:59 | I tried --force-badname, but groupadd fails, which in return, fails the useradd...can anyone give insight on this, and any possible workarounds? For some reason, Ubuntu tells me the username must start with a letter and not a number.
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| 15:03 | interesting...actually useradd lets me, as long as the number isn't a 0...but Gnome "Users and Groups" doesn't let me either way.
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> any thoughts on http://bugs.debian.org/437540
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| 15:04 | seems like 'make getltscfg' strips the binary
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> if i run it manually, it gets stripped ...
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| 15:05 | no idea how to generate an unstripped one
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> ah, it seems LDFLAGS=-s is the culprit
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Would that be better for you if it were auto-tools-ized?
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: no idea. i do know that removing the "-s" from LDFLAGS seems to work.
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> i'll commit that for now for debian
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> ok, let me know if converting it to a standard autotools package will be better for you. It'll only take me a 1/2 hour or so.
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| 16:41 | <lns> Just FYI...if you guys haven't looked at "Fedora Directory Server"...it might be something to consider using for an LDAP user database option, to integrate with larger LTSP setups. There seems to be Ubuntu setup docs at http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Howto:DebianUbuntu - this could be a really big step with LTSP..
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| 16:44 | <cliebow_> lns: i dont know the advantage over regular ldap..
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| 16:44 | <cliebow_> rjund!!!
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| 16:44 | oops
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| 16:45 | rjune!!!
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| 16:45 | <lns> cliebow_, it has some very nice GUIs to go with it.. based on Netscape iPlanet server, which has been in dev. for over 10 years
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| 16:46 | i could totally see this integrated into LTSP administration tools, even more intimately with ubuntu specific users/group management for larger scale deployments
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| 16:46 | <cliebow_> i see..i kinda wrote me own..
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| 16:48 | <lns> cliebow_, you wrote gui tools for ldap?
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| 16:48 | <cliebow_> course my database is deep npt flat
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| 16:48 | yeah..well sort of..some ...somecgi prel web pages for adding users etc
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| 16:49 | <lns> oo
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| 16:49 | see, this is a big thing for me as a sysadmin/consultant at these schools... i need better user/group mgmt
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| 16:49 | and ldap just seems to be the way to go
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| 16:49 | so integrating a decade old server, with sooo many features...and OSS on top of that..seems like a good thing (tm)
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| 16:50 | <cliebow_> i am sure totally insecure..but in this environment it works..ldap rocks if you are integrating windows machines
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| 16:50 | ans osx for that matter
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| 16:50 | <lns> ldap is just so damn universal...it makes too much sense
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| 16:51 | personally, i think ldap should be the default for user/group management
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| 16:51 | for all dists
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| 16:51 | but thats just me :)
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| 16:51 | <cliebow_> and you can add your own schema if you like..
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| 16:51 | <lns> totally
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| 16:51 | cliebow_, are your tools open for use, or still in dev?
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| 16:52 | <cliebow_> i had to emulate the active directory structure it replaced so it is not at all universal
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| 16:53 | they are not good for anything ore than a pattern for someone..
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| 16:53 | i built a little python set of buttons with tkinter to start some bash scripts at first
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| 16:54 | actually i built my own smbldap-installer
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| 16:54 | in bash
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| 16:55 | i am a real hack..but you are welcome to tear this stuff apart if you like..
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| 16:58 | <lns> =) well i'm no programmer to any extent...
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| 16:59 | just a sysadmin, learning as much as i can as i go along (and can make a living off of) with linux
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| 21:57 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:03 | <vagrantc> evenin
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| 22:42 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: What do we do for grabbing the hostname from the server in the initrd, if dhcpd passes it?
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: we use it.
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| 22:53 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 22:54 | I just fixed up the stock dhcpd.conf file a bit
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs
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| 22:54 | "fixed up" ?
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> added in a commented out line for get-lease-hostnames true;
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> yeah, and fixed the indenting
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| 22:55 | have a look what I did
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> since upstream dhcp broke the next-server options, i think the default upstream LTSP dhcpd.conf should have next-server included
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| 22:56 | sbalneav: oh, maybe i misunderstood the question
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| 22:56 | sbalneav: you had to merge with yourself ?
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| 22:56 | <sbalneav> yeah :)
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| 22:57 | I made some changes to my work copy, pushed
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| 22:57 | then made changes to my home copy, but forgot to pull first :)
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| 22:57 | * sbalneav dopeslaps self | |
| 22:58 | <sbalneav> That whacky dangling else in the filename selection has bothered me for a long time.
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| 22:58 | Finally decided to do something about it :)
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