IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 30 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<sutula>
vernier: That's the only place I've seen it, but I have to admit that I haven't looked in the "correct" places you mentioned.
00:15
<vernier>
there is talk of a patch by gadi that supposedly fixes the problem, although no one seems to confirm that for sure
00:16
http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?p=90297
00:20
and the official bug description is here (and is active being discussed) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
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00:22
<sutula>
vernier: I ran across http://www.nabble.com/Auto-Login-Thin-Clients-t4468318.html
00:22
There were pointers there to a python-based ldm that has autologin support, but I didn't try it
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<vernier>
thanks! it does lift my spirit: the python ldm is written by scott b and has been confirmed by one other person to work back in sept 2007
00:39
i'll test it out tomorrow
00:39
i also found this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/67366
00:40
which explains that logging in twice with the same username causes a hang (and i do often log in twice under the same name)
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<autoditac>
Hi. I'm using ltsp 5.0 from Ubuntu Gutsy and so far, everything works as expected - great! with one exeption. the clients video is totally borked and i want to check if the wrong video driver gets loaded (it's a via onboard chip) - so: where do i find the thin clients logfiles?
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05:19
<nubae>
hi there...
05:20
This is going to sound like a weird question but... is there somewhere I can download a default /etc directory for an edubuntu gutsy amd64 setup :-) ?
05:20
<ogra>
you shouldnt
05:20
<nubae>
I deleted my /etc dir by accident
05:20
<ogra>
many contents in there are created dynamically
05:20
<nubae>
I wanted to move from backup to /etc
05:21
and instead did something really stupid
05:21
ok, so, install again and copy over the dir...
05:21
<ogra>
so if you just pick the /etc form a different machine thats surely leading to problems
05:21
<nubae>
yeah makes sense
05:21
<ogra>
(it starts with /etc/password having totally differnt UIDs for example ... )
05:22
<nubae>
thats not too bad, because backups are in /var
05:22
that I already revived
05:22
<ogra>
i think you are faster with a reinstall than copying over /etc and then taking weeks to find the errors
05:23
and even if you *think* you found all differences that might still be any that show the errors only later
05:23
if you have a full backup of *this machines* /etc but only a bit outdated, that would work though
05:24
<nubae>
I do, but I'm getting errors with xauth and xrdb
05:24
when a user other than admin tries to login
05:25
well, I've spent a good 4 hours on this already, its going to take 4 hours to install and get to working if start from scratch now
05:25
I hate those Xsession errors
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<nubae>
only done it 6 times on the same machine :-) and there I am telling people how dangerous rm -rf is... and woopee I do it myself...
05:30
the thing is, I dont want to put in all the users again... cant I just backup shadow, passwd, group, and sgroup?
05:31
or pehaps in lite of the xsession errors, take a new installed /etc dir and copy the X11 and gdm dirs over?
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09:37
<Gadi>
sbalneav: ping
09:44
<alekibango>
hello, is there some good documentation for debian sid or lenny? i cannot find much on the net.
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09:47
<ogra>
!debian
09:47
<ltspbot>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
09:47
<ogra>
alekibango, ^^^^^
09:48
<BGomes>
!slackware
09:48
<ltspbot>
BGomes: Error: "slackware" is not a valid command.
09:48
<BGomes>
ogra: I want slackware too heheh
09:49
<ogra>
BGomes, so find somebody to implement ltsp5 in slackware :)
09:49
<alekibango>
ogra: oh, thats not good enough, seems like i will have to edit it when i understand ltsp more :D
09:49
<ogra>
why is that not good enough
09:49
<BGomes>
ogra: I few days u have a project page at ltsp5.s1solucoes.com.br
09:50
<ogra>
BGomes, rather contribute to the ltsp tree :)
09:50
else you end up like opensuse and have to redo everything if you want it supported in the upstream code
09:50
<BGomes>
ogra: We are to translate for ingles all information about slackware+ltsp
09:51
<alekibango>
ogra: its old, chaotic, not very complete
09:51
<BGomes>
ogra: How is rather ?
09:51
<alekibango>
and >>not explaining the stuff<<
09:51
<ogra>
alekibango, well, it lists the two commands you need to have it runnng out of the box ...
09:51
<alekibango>
well that was not enough for me,
09:51
<ogra>
there is not much to explain anymore in ltsp5 ... it just works
09:52
well, ok in debian its more than the two commands you need in ubuntu ...
09:52
but still its not much more
09:53
<alekibango>
ogra: well i could not login after first boot
09:53
<ogra>
alekibango, if you make updates to the page, please coordinate with vagrantc, he maintains the debian port
09:53
<alekibango>
using those 2 commands
09:53
<ogra>
so you changed the ip after running ltsp-build-client i guess
09:53
<alekibango>
yes i booted well
09:53
<ogra>
run ltsp-update-sshkeys in that case
09:53
<alekibango>
i did
09:53
thats even more and more commands, you know?
09:54
had to change rights to fuse :D
09:54
<BGomes>
alekibango: and run ltsp-update-image too
09:54
<alekibango>
and now i am thinking 'why my kde is not running'
09:54
BGomes: i deleted the image - > so i use nfs now
09:55
<BGomes>
alekibango: and your ldm remote command on lts.conf its ok?
09:55
<alekibango>
will check
09:56
for now only 'xterm' session works :D
09:56
and blackbox runned from the xterm -> but not kde...
09:56
:D
09:56* alekibango goes out for few hours, thanks for tips
09:57
<ogra>
BGomes, debian cant use the image
09:57
it uses nfs
09:57
their unionfs version is broken
09:58
<BGomes>
ogra: I am test it of ubuntu, I dont use debian
09:58
<ogra>
alekibango, ldm does: ssh -X user@host /etc/X11/Xsession
09:59
alekibango, so make sure you have a proper session file there
09:59* ogra hugs his ubuntu :)
10:00
<BGomes>
alekibango: Why u dont use ubuntu :) ?
10:02
<ogra>
or kubuntu if you love KDE
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10:02* ogra thinks it because of philosophical issues like many debian users ...
10:03
<BGomes>
ogra: kubunto it's not ubuntu like
10:04
*kubuntu
10:04
<ogra>
its ubuntu with KDE desktop
10:04
everything below te desktop is identical
10:04
<BGomes>
ogra: but dont have easy to use like ubuntu (gnome)
10:05* ogra cant really compare ... the last kubuntu i booted was 6.10 thats a year ago
10:06
<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: hey
10:06
<BGomes>
ogra: ubunto at gnome its work... at kde is not good... I am prefer suse 10.3 and kiwi-ltsp for kde (at box)
10:06
<Q-FUNK>
hey :)
10:06
<Gadi>
any word on this amd driver?
10:06* Gadi is surrounded by broken things!!!!!
10:06
<ogra>
Gadi, i guess you have to poke upstream rather :)
10:07
<Gadi>
nobody listens to my poking
10:07
:)
10:07
<ogra>
i wonder what fedora did, i mean they released recently as well ... do they use the same xorg and driver versions ?
10:08
<cyberorg>
BGomes, you use kiwi-ltsp?
10:09
<BGomes>
cyberorg: I test for some days
10:09
<cyberorg>
BGomes, ok, any feedback? :)
10:09
what you liked/disliked/could be better?
10:09
<Gadi>
ogra: no clue
10:10
<MasterOne>
I'm thinking of giving up on Edubuntu LTSP5 64bit server, and convert that machine to Edubuntu LTSP5 32bit. On one hand that stupid audio issue with flash9 content, on the other hand unusable java-plugin for Firefox 64bit
10:11
<BGomes>
cyberorg: the project is very good, init scripts, yast integration, it is easy tu use, but suse repository dont working better on brazil and master redirect for here, this one problem
10:11
<MasterOne>
is there any advantage of running Edubuntu LTSP5 64bit over Edubuntu LTSP5 32bit?
10:12
<BGomes>
cyberorg: I liked use for more days, but I dont have many times for this test, and all repository of suse 10.3 here dont working fine
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10:12
<cyberorg>
BGomes, you can use one of the mirrors closer to you
10:13
BGomes, anything we can improve in kiwi-ltsp?
10:13
<ogra>
MasterOne, no
10:14
only disadvantages
10:14
<MasterOne>
ogra, I've seen
10:14
<ogra>
unless you have 50 users who run gimp all day or so which actually makes real use of the 64bit
10:15
<MasterOne>
I really thought I could handle the icedtea stuff and get libflashsupport to work somehow, but it's just not working, whatever I tried
10:15
<ogra>
full 64 bit apps are rare, there is no advantage in running 64bit
10:15
<BGomes>
BGomes: this a problem the official mirror redirect for local mirror, and local mirror dont working (uol.com.br) but about kiwi-ltsp is very better (I like really of init script of initird, auto generation of it is fine too)
10:15
cyberorg:
10:15
<ogra>
well, it might be better in the next releases, but i think its not mature enough yet
10:15
<MasterOne>
that server has dual xeon 3.2 EM64T, but only 3 GB of RAM, so it should make any difference at all
10:15
<ogra>
(the flash stuff for amd64 i mean)
10:16
that wont make any difference, no
10:16
<cyberorg>
BGomes, great :) if you find something we can improve, look me up here, it is good to get some feedback from people testing it
10:16
<MasterOne>
ok, conviced ;)
10:17
downloading the 32bit install cd atm
10:17
<BGomes>
cyberorg: I will do more test, at sun day and I find you here for say more about it... and ask some questions ok? :P
10:18
<cyberorg>
BGomes, cool
10:18
<MasterOne>
ogra, you are almost here all the time, and always helpful :)
10:19
<ogra>
MasterOne, that will get less a bit ... i wa working fulltime on ltsp the last two years ...
10:20
*was
10:20
<BGomes>
cyberorg: I get svn source and I am read all script, and all is good
10:20
<ogra>
MasterOne, so this channel somewhat became my office :)
10:20
<cyberorg>
ogra, that is the good work we are puting to use now ;)
10:21
<ogra>
s/use/improve ;)
10:22
<BGomes>
cyberorg: I am read kiwi-ltsp script, but I need implemente ltsp5 on my slackware box
10:22
<ogra>
BGomes, then you should rather look at he ltsp tree :) and write your plugins for that
10:23
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
10:23
<cyberorg>
BGomes, yeah, kiwi-ltsp won't work on that, you may copy the chroot over from ubuntu/suse and configure nbd/dhcp/tftpboot manually, but as ogra says better create a plugin
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<BGomes>
ogra: is very complicated ltsp plugins script for use ltsp-build-client, I think use outher tree source, slackware have many diff
10:24
<ogra>
??
10:25
BGomes, the purpose of the plugin setup is exactly that you dont have to do that ... you have your own distro specific dir in the source where you can do everything you want and your distro need
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10:25
<herson>
BGomes, fala
10:25
:D
10:26
<ogra>
BGomes, really, work with us from the beginning to get it properly integrated ... its just a lot extra work to make it upstream compatible later
10:26
<BGomes>
ogra: I have ltsp-trunk here on my laptop, and read all script then... ltsp on slackware in few days will working
10:26
<ogra>
BGomes, you can easily start with one monolithic plugin that does everything
10:26
that wouldnt be any different to use your own tree
10:27
s/use/using
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10:28
<ogra>
BGomes, bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora ... have a look in the server/plugins/.../Fedora dir to get an idea ... that tree implements exactly that
10:28
(one monolithic plugin)
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<BGomes>
ogra: ok I will see this.. but for start on basic script is more easy for create chroot, and maybe on static initrd for download... dont auto-make like suse
10:31
ogra: on ubuntu why u do make initrd ? I dont see script for that
10:31
<ogra>
thats ltsp4 then
10:32
we dont, the kernel package just uses the scripts we put in place ... it creates the initramfs during package installation
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10:32
<ogra>
have a look in the client/initramfs dir
10:33
if you start with one basic sctip thats fine, just turn it into a plugin later :)
10:33
*script
10:34
(and make sure to keep the server and client bits distinct from teh start, so you dont run into cyberorg's problems with integration it later)
10:34
<cyberorg>
BGomes, keep checking here, otherwise you will end up like us
10:34
<ogra>
*integrating
10:34
<BGomes>
ogra: hehehe :)
10:34
<ogra>
cyberorg, well, i think you worked out something with vagrant recently, didnt you ?
10:35
<BGomes>
ogra: I want see it working at slackware... next step is make ltsp5 plugins compatibli :)
10:35
<cyberorg>
ogra, yeah, created a plugin, but some change is required in lsb_release thing
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10:36
<ogra>
cyberorg, well, i guess thats something that has to happen on our side (replacinf the space in the distro name)
10:36
*repalcing
10:36
gah
10:36
you know what i mean
10:36
<cyberorg>
ogra, yeah, some tr magic
10:37
<ogra>
i dont even understand how suse can do that, i dont think thats even lsb compliant
10:37
<BGomes>
ogra: What is the script to generation initrd ?
10:37
<ogra>
BGomes, we have initramfs-tools for that
10:37
<cyberorg>
lsb_release -i -s | tr ' ' '_'
10:38
<BGomes>
ogra: I dont see it
10:39
<ogra>
its a distro package
10:39
its creating a chroot, copying pieces into place and then running mkintramfs on that
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<ogra>
i guess slackware will have mkinitramfs
10:40
as 2.6 kernels require it
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<BGomes>
ogra: see this at kiwi-ltsp/kiwi-netboot/suse-10.3-ltsp/config/kernel-default
10:42
ogra: Where are it at ubuntu ?
10:42
<ogra>
in client/initramfs are all changes we make to the defaults
10:44
client/initramfs/conf.d/ltsp is the config changes to teh defaults client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp_nbd is the actual script thats executed during boot
10:46
<BGomes>
ogra: I am use ubuntu now, if I to made initrd at source, How me do it?
10:46
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u
10:47
but istead of looking at ubuntu (or debian who decided to take initramfs-tools as well at some point) find out how slackware does it and modify that
10:48
<BGomes>
ogra: ok ! /usr/sbin/update-initramfs it is from debian?
10:48
<ogra>
no
10:48
its from ubuntu
10:48
but debian uses it as well now
10:48
<BGomes>
ogra: fine :)
10:48
<ogra>
(since etch i think)
10:49
<BGomes>
ogra: at slackware have mkinitrd but have some changes for use in ltsp
10:49
<ogra>
but update-initramfs is only a binary ... you need the structure of initramfs tools, a matching kernel package that makes use of it etc ... its really better to use what slackware has and modify
10:50
<BGomes>
ogra: it is a script "vim /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
10:50
<ogra>
right
10:50
<Gadi>
!seen sbalneav
10:50
<ltspbot>
Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'm actually subscribed to the nbd-users list.
10:50
<ogra>
Gadi, he's busy at work
10:51
<Gadi>
gotcha
10:51
<ogra>
since he returned from boston already i think
10:51
<Gadi>
I've had 3-day-stints like that, too ;)
10:51
<ogra>
seems to be a hard time there
10:51
<BGomes>
ogra: I see with some frinds of slackware group and have some problens to make changes in mkinitrd script
10:51
ogra: the generic kernel of slackware dont have nfs-root
10:52
ogra: I can use it with modulo or have do it builtin in kernel?
10:52
<ogra>
well, the kernel doesnt need it if you have it in the initramfs
10:52
we use modules for everything
10:52
that way i can tell te initramfs toos to only include NIC modules and nfs
10:52
*tools
10:54
<BGomes>
ogra: in few day I will send for you see us scripts for ltsp5 on slackware, if you read and help us... I will many cool
10:54
<ogra>
sure, feel free
10:54
<johnny>
uggh.. and last now i spent time tryin to debug sabayon.. nothin is goin my way lately :)
10:55
<BGomes>
ogra: tanks for all
10:55
<ogra>
youre welcome :)
10:55
<johnny>
yes.. tanks for all :)
10:55
<ogra>
johnny, sabayon needs a profile first
10:55
<johnny>
i know
10:55
it has one
10:55
<ogra>
else it wont let anyone in
10:55
ah
10:55
<johnny>
the current profile works
10:56
i just can't edit it
10:56
turns out users can edit the server volume
10:56
so i was going to remove the volume-applet
10:56
<ogra>
please file bugs if you find them sabayon and pessulus are in my focus this release
10:56
there is a better way ;)
10:56
blacklist the soundcard modules for the server card
10:57
or if you can disable it in the servers bios
10:57
<johnny>
hmm... i'd rather just make thevolume work
10:57
the server is a desktop
10:57
in use as a desktop that is
10:57
<ogra>
ah, k
10:57
<johnny>
is there a way to make it work with local volume only?
10:58
<cyberorg>
johnny, you might want to team up with federico over at #opensuse-gnome, he is also working on making sabayon "better"
10:58
<ogra>
well, then forbid them to change the settings of the volume applet it should default to the client anyway if they are logged in via ltsp (unless you played with the gstreamer settings)
10:58
<johnny>
i didn't play with them
10:58
<ogra>
oh, you want the opposite :)
10:58
<johnny>
all i did was add a custom profile
10:58
err add a profile
10:58
and then set up a background, a firefox icon on the desktop, and that's about it
10:58
<ogra>
cyberorg, which federico is that ? mena ?
10:59
<johnny>
cyberorg, he should also be on gimp net
10:59
i'm tired of signing up for every bugzilla under the sun
10:59
bugzilla is definitely something that needs openid or similiar
10:59
<cyberorg>
yeah, he is sabayon maintainer
10:59
<johnny>
freesoftware bug reporters or somethin
11:00
i need a box so i can setup duplicate mergable setup
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11:00
<ogra>
johnny, well, use launchpad it does that for you :)
11:00
(linking multiple bugtrackers)
11:01
<johnny>
me use launchpad ? or the projects?
11:01
<ogra>
you
11:01
<johnny>
i kinda like the distributed hosting aspect, just need better auth
11:01
but for now i will
11:02
<ogra>
LP's purpose is to centralize *everything* even if its hosted elsewhere you should be able to do all your dev work in one place no matter which distro you use or if you are upstream
11:02
<johnny>
lemme know when launchpad works with mtn
11:02
<ogra>
mtn ?
11:02
<johnny>
monotone version control
11:02
all my projects use it
11:02
<ogra>
file a whishlist bug against the supermirror
11:02
i know it can do git and svn imports from other sites already
11:03
<johnny>
if people wanted me to truly file all the bugs i could.. i'd be filing bugs all day every day for a month :)
11:03
pidgin uses monotone now tho
11:04
<ogra>
ah
11:04
<johnny>
as well as the openembedded project
11:04
and our web app framework
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11:04
<johnny>
ogra, are you in close contact with the sabayon maintainer ?
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11:05
<ogra>
not really
11:05
<johnny>
i heard they are merging sabayon and pessulus
11:05
don't you need to be? :)
11:05
<ogra>
i'm in relatively close contact with vincent untz
11:05
<johnny>
i don't know that guy
11:05
<ogra>
he's pessulus maintainer and gnome release manager
11:05
<johnny>
aha. a magical combination
11:06
<ogra>
and has his hands in sabayon a bit as well
11:06
<johnny>
word
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11:06
<ogra>
i'll have ot comtact federico for sure at some point ...
11:06
<johnny>
our tech team finally got a portion of the gross
11:06
<ogra>
but currently there are other priorities first
11:06
<johnny>
so now we will have a budge
11:06
budget*
11:06
<ogra>
like dropping the edubuntu server CD and integrate LTSP in ubuntu proper so edubuntu can become an educational addon
11:07
<johnny>
aha.. cool
11:07
that's a great idea
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<tooonix>
Hi everyone. I'm trying to force LTSP to use a static xorg.conf file. Is it sufficient to add "XF86CONFIG_FILE" to the lts.conf or am I missing something?
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11:13
<Gadi>
tooonix: where did you put the static file?
11:14
<tooonix>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
11:14
<ogra>
thats wrong
11:15
<Gadi>
wrongplace
11:15
<tooonix>
oops
11:15
<ogra>
it needs to be in the chroot in /opt/ltsp/$(arch)
11:15
<Gadi>
you need to put it in the chroot and reroll the image
11:15
<ogra>
and your value for XF86CONFIG_FILE (or X_CONF as we use it today) needs to be relative to the chroot ...
11:16
i.e. /opt/ltsp/$(arch)/etc/my-x.conf becomes X_CONF="/etc/my-x.conf"
11:17
<tooonix>
I just picked up the wrong directory.
11:17
<ogra>
do you run gutsy ?
11:17
<tooonix>
Yes
11:17
<ogra>
then you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-image after putting the file there
11:18
<tooonix>
Well, I somehow thought that this step won't be necessary in case of the lts.conf...
11:19
<ogra>
not for lts.conf but for your static xorg.conf
11:19
as soon as you change anything under /opt/ltsp/$(arch)/ you need to run ltsp-update-image to get the changes into /opt/ltsp/images/$(arch).img
11:20
(which is the actual / the client uses)
11:20
<tooonix>
waah, I mixed up statix xorg file with lts.conf, sorry
11:20
Everything is in the right place :)
11:21
<ogra>
good
11:23
<tooonix>
I found the reason why it doesn't work for me...VMware chokes on it...
11:24
<ogra>
ah, yeah that might be
11:24
i usually test in virtualbox
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<alekibango>
ogra: why i use Debian (as BGome asked): i dont believe in the ubuntu religion
11:26
<ogra>
religion ? ??
11:26
<alekibango>
well, yes
11:26* ogra isnt religious ...
11:26* tooonix only believes in the cylon god...
11:26
<ogra>
heh
11:27
<alekibango>
ubuntu has strange mix of catholic new age masters of universe magick
11:27
<ogra>
and debian is any better here ?
11:27
<cliebow>
calling us strange ehh?
11:27
<alekibango>
debian != industry
11:27
debian = community
11:27
<ogra>
or any other distro fwiw
11:28
<alekibango>
debian = social contract which makes much better sense for me
11:28
but i think ubuntu will be good, in the long run
11:28
<ogra>
its nearly identical to the ubuntu code of conduct (and tehy wree both written by the same person)
11:28
<alekibango>
because its the license who rules over us
11:29* ogra doesnt get "debian != industry" "debian = community" ...
11:29
<ogra>
i fail to see how thats different to ubuntu
11:29
<alekibango>
ogra: think 'music undustry'
11:29
'military industrial complex'
11:29
<ogra>
??
11:29
what has that to do with ubuntu ?
11:29
ubuntu underlies the same structure as debian does ...
11:29
its built by a community
11:30
<tooonix>
ubuntu = don't waste time on moral lectures and get things done ;)
11:30
<ogra>
uses nearly the same political documents
11:30
etc etc
11:30
<Gadi>
ogra: do you recall if there were continuing issues with the via driver on gutsy?
11:30
<ogra>
i really fail to see much difference here
11:30
<alekibango>
ogra: thats why you need to study history, you are clearly clueless :D
11:30
<Gadi>
and whose via driver they would up using
11:30
<cliebow>
holy!!!
11:30
<ogra>
well, i'm debian user abd developer since over 10 years now ...
11:30
*and
11:31
<alekibango>
tooonix: i agree. thats why i dont like ubuntu that much
11:31
<ogra>
i dont think i miss much histyry here ... probably the firet two years
11:31
*first
11:32
ayll ubuntu adds on top of debian is a reliable release schedule ... and apparently users like that ... and we actually stick to outr code of conduct words unlike debian
11:32
<alekibango>
ogra: ok, let me ask one think. christmass is coming. how long do you think this religious feast is observed? when it started, where and why?
11:32
<ogra>
(according to the debian social contract bashing people isnt nice ... apparently not many DDs care)
11:34* ogra doesnt understand the comparison
11:35
<alekibango>
ogra: you told me you know some history :D imho you know as much as ordinary person knows, which is nearly nothing at all :D (sadly this is the norm)
11:35
<ogra>
well, i thought you refer to the topic :)
11:36
<alekibango>
ok, sorry for ot discussion :D lets go back to work, both ubuntu and debian needs to have good reliable ltsp and documentation :D
11:36
<ogra>
right
11:36
feel free to move something over from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
11:37
(with proper adjustment indeed)
11:38
alekibango, the best ressource for a complete ltsp 5 documentation is the edubuntu handbook btw ... you might want to take a look at it as well
11:38
its about 50 pages ltsp docs written just recently
11:39* tooonix thinks that the best ressource are the ltsp scripts themselves for some topics ;)
11:39
<alekibango>
my kde is still not starting... blackbox works well but startkde -> start_kdeinit --new-startup +kcminit_startup fails on something ... strange
11:40
<ogra>
tooonix, true code is always the best documentation, but you need docs for people who cant read code ;)
11:41
alekibango, do you ave a proper Xsession file there ? ldm should just execute it
11:42
<tooonix>
well, at the time I wrote my first linux magazine article I heavily relied on the source code to get a basic understanding of ltsp
11:42
<ogra>
alekibango, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
11:43
<alekibango>
ogra: i can read code well, even perl (lol) and interactive postsript (heh) but when it gets complex, good documentation is a reall good thing (TM)
11:43* ogra totally agrees
11:44
<ogra>
alekibango, the thing with debian is, sicne vagrant ported ltsp5 over he was mainly alone ... so he only did what he could, its surely helpful to have some more people working on it
11:44
<alekibango>
thanks i have no problem with seting up default session manager, there is a problem with kde itself, lol
11:44
<ogra>
do you use kde4 already ?
11:44
<alekibango>
no, still 3.5
11:45
<ogra>
hmm, that shoudl work relatively stable
11:45
id does in kubuntu afaik and we mainly sync your packages
11:45
*it
11:45
<alekibango>
ic...
11:46
start_kdeinit --new-startup +kcminit_startup
11:46
<ogra>
whats the error ?
11:46
<alekibango>
gives ... Failed to open device
11:46
<ogra>
no hint on which device ?
11:46
<alekibango>
X Error: bad device, invalid or unitialized input device 165
11:46
which is funny error message :D
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11:47
<ogra>
input device ???
11:47* ogra is stunned
11:47
<alekibango>
i am also stunned, lol - thats from startkde (it runs the command start_kdeinit...)
11:47
and that one fails
11:48
but normally kde works well...
11:51* ogra is no KDE user so cant say much ...
11:52
<ogra>
my last real session on KDE where i did more than helping to test kubuntu isos was at ver 1.2 :)
11:52
<alekibango>
i love kde. (file dialogs are best)
11:53
<ogra>
the only thing i really love about kde is ...
11:53
KDEEDU :)
11:53
<alekibango>
:D
11:53
and i am long time konqueror user
11:53
<ogra>
since i'm the edubuntu maintainer and edubuntu would be quite empty without the cool apps
11:53
<alekibango>
for regular browsing
11:53
yes, i like them too... kalzium, kstars...
11:54
<ogra>
kdeedu4 is extremely cool ...
11:54
we had some upstream guys at the ubuntu conference last month that showed me the new stuff
11:54
<alekibango>
i am in fluxbox right now. (i like testing all stuff) :D
11:55
i still miss some nice fluxbox way to change keyboard layout...
11:56
<tooonix>
Although I'm a happy Gnome and Fluxbox user, I'll certainly take a look at the upcoming KDE 4.
11:56
<alekibango>
all sure will.. its very promising
11:57
kde4 + ati + nvidia 3d could rock the desktop space
11:57
<ogra>
bah
11:57
ati + nvidia
11:57
<alekibango>
i mean when we have free/opensource drivers
11:57
<ogra>
take the cool stuff, buy intel ;) its free
11:57
<alekibango>
i have it
11:58
<ogra>
if youre not into gamong intel is really the best choice
11:58
*gaming
11:58
<alekibango>
really?
11:58
<ogra>
for desktop effects ? sure
11:58
<johnny>
ati will be good soon..
11:58
<ogra>
it works out of the box
11:58* cyberorg thinks ogra's fingers need rest
11:58
<alekibango>
i have still issues with some opengl games on intel
11:58
<ogra>
johnny, they have to prove that first
11:58
<johnny>
truly
11:58
<ogra>
cyberorg, well, thats not the only channel i'm typing in atm
11:59* ogra has 5 conversations in different channels atm
11:59
<alekibango>
for example run criticallmass and tell me if the menu is ok
12:00
<ogra>
not sure i can get criticalmass running on my classmatePC which is the only intel card i have around atm
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<alekibango>
some games have issues (missing players, wrongly displayed stuff etc)
12:00
<ogra>
but if you run compiz its very likely not a driver prob but rather compiz that makes it fail
12:00
<alekibango>
i dont run compiz :D
12:01
<ogra>
(dont blame the wrong people for your breakage ;) )
12:01
which driver do you use ? and which chopset is that ?
12:01
<alekibango>
GMA X3100 imho
12:01
<ogra>
i855 doesnt work wel with the new -intel driver for example ... you still need the -810 one (which apparently was just dropped from debian)
12:02
<tooonix>
hm chopset...I like that typo XD
12:02
<ogra>
heh
12:02
<alekibango>
driver 'intel'
12:02
<ogra>
yep
12:03
<alekibango>
oh, only GMA 3100
12:03
g33 chipset (imho)
12:03
<ogra>
for some chipsets i810 might be better
12:03
but you need te ugly 915resolution hack for i810 :/
12:03
<alekibango>
ok, i did update-pciids and its 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
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12:03
<johnny>
stil? i thought they fixed that :)
12:04
with the new 2.0.0 drivers
12:04
<alekibango>
i just upadted my sid to new drivers and now blender segfaults on me
12:04
<tooonix>
Success (partly)...the thin client in VMware finally fires up X. Although LDM ignores my alternate LTSP host again...
12:04
<ogra>
johnny, its fixed in the intel driver ... but they dont develop the i810 one at all anymore
12:04
tooonix, how did you defune it ?
12:04
<johnny>
but you can't use intel with i810 cards , so can't the i810 driver be removed?
12:05
<ogra>
*define
12:05
<johnny>
err can't you*
12:05
<alekibango>
tooonix: i am using virtualbox-ose to test my clients
12:05
<ogra>
alekibango, ++
12:05
alekibango, but its good to have vmware users testing it ;)
12:05
<tooonix>
I manually copied the drivers of the vmware tools to the right places
12:05
<alekibango>
:D
12:06
<ogra>
johnny, even intel claims they aven tested the older cards with the intel driver ... ubuntu just decided to keep i810 for another release
12:06
*havent
12:06
<tooonix>
Plus I manually build and linked the kernel modules and also copied them to the right places (although I don't think that they are X related)
12:07
<ogra>
tooonix, why didnt you use the vmware packages with the precompiled modules we offer ?
12:07
<johnny>
i was using it with 855 , works pretty well
12:07
<tooonix>
do they already match with VMware WS 6.0.2?
12:08
<ogra>
no idea
12:08
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/v/
12:08
as i said, i dont use vmware
12:09
but the stuff in the partner repo is tested etc
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<tooonix>
Weird. My LDM_SERVER option reads as follows: LDM_SERVER="192.168.0.254 192.168.0.253" Unfortunately, LDM does not come up after a boot. But if I start LDM directly on the cleint via "LDM_SERVER=`getltspcfg LDM_SERVER` ldm vt7 :0" it works like a charm...
12:36
<ogra>
with both hosts in the selector ?
12:36
<johnny>
that's an odd one
12:36
is that fixed by that one patch?
12:36
<ogra>
johnny, well, that and autologin are both very new and young features
12:37
<tooonix>
yes
12:37
both host are in the combo box
12:37
<ogra>
can you file a bug so i dont forget to look into it for hardy at least
12:38
<johnny>
are they expected to be fixed for gutsy in any case?
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<ogra>
did you try with single quotes ? might be they are substituted somehow
12:38
johnny, only wher i find one liner to fix it ...
12:38
<tooonix>
Hm, it's worth a look
12:38
<ogra>
a SRU (stable release update) costs a *lot* of paperwork in ubuntu
12:39
tooonix, LDM_SERVER="'192.168.0.254 192.168.0.253'" might also be worth a try
12:39
<johnny>
so back to the sound issue , is there a way to make the volume applet control the volume on the clients?
12:39
<ogra>
i'm not sure how scotts code handles that
12:40
<johnny>
well he said that "" shouldn't be used
12:40
<ogra>
johnny, it does that by default ususally
12:40
<johnny>
right?
12:40
on the ML post about autologin
12:40
<ogra>
it will only not autodetect if you have changed the gstreamer sink manually at any time
12:41
<johnny>
well i see the pulse env variable, and both ips referenced are the thin client
12:41
it doesn't say anything about the server IP
12:41
<ogra>
ignore pulse
12:41
<tooonix>
with single quotes ldm come up but doesn't provide the host selector
12:41
<ogra>
you dont have anything to do with pulse
12:41
its all alsa
12:42
right click your volume applet and check the sound device it uses in its settings
12:42
there shoudld be alsa hw:0
12:42
<johnny>
ok, i'll check into it when i go in
12:42
<tooonix>
and the mixed quotes prevent ldm from starting
12:43
<ogra>
but as i said, its supposed to default to the client alsa device (and i actually havent seen people having problems the one year we have it like that)
12:43
tooonix, and without any quotes ?
12:43
<tooonix>
pgra: same as with mixed quotes
12:44
<alekibango>
ogra: is vagrant coming here on irc?
12:44
<ogra>
alekibango, he is usually on once a day but he said he would be travelling for two weeks soon ... not sure when that starts
12:44
he's on US westcoast time
12:45
(usually)
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<sm7xab>
Hi! I've been trying to get a stupid Logitech cordlesss USB mose working on my LTSP system. The only way I can get it to go is up or down. Have been looking through Google to find a solution, but to no avail. Does anyone here havea good idea?
13:17
<tooonix>
Does it work on normal linux systems?
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<tooonix>
If yes, how is the mouse configured in X?
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<sm7xab>
Haven't quite tried it running it on USB. If I use PS/2, there are no problems. On this new system, I don't have PS/2 ports for it :-(
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<jimcooncat>
following Ubuntu's thin-client-howto, and had to make adjustments to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. How to restart dhcpd, please?
14:13
<tooonix>
sudo invoke-rc.d dhcdbd restart
14:13
<johnny>
that's for networkmanager
14:15
sudo invoke-rc.d dhcpd restart perhaps?
14:15
<tooonix>
s/dhcdbd/dhcp3-server/
14:16
<jimcooncat>
toonix, thanks, that seemed to work
14:16
johnny, thanks also
14:17
what's the diff between invoke-rc.d and /etc/init.d/ ?
14:18
<tooonix>
nothing special, invoke-rc.d is meant as a clean way for package scripts to start or stop daemons
14:18
in practice you can choose what you like
14:19
<jimcooncat>
k thanks, invoke is easier tab-completion
14:20
But I was mostly concerned that /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf was going to be used, and not /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf. Guess I'll find out when I boot that bad boy
14:21
/etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, scuse me
14:23
oh, I see now that /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server has an override that favors ltsp. So I'm all set.
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<tooonix>
I know that there is a way to enforce the old debconf-style xorg.conf generation in Gutsy. Since Google seems to have turned its back to me I want to know if someone of you knows how the related lts.conf parameter is called...
14:45
I need it for documentary reasons
14:55
<johnny>
look up a file called lts-paramters.txt
14:55
err parameters
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<snazm>
Howdy folks
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<lns>
so what's the scoop on Nautilus tagging out the CPU when users log in and log out? I'm getting this on both of my Gutsy servers at different locations...
15:08
<tooonix>
johnny: I did that, but that file seems to be a little bit outdated and doesn't cover that option I am looking for.
15:11
<lns>
" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/150471 " shows a fix for GDM - would this apply for LTSP/ldm as well?
15:24
<tooonix>
Use the source Luke...that feature has been removed
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<TheProf>
Hello. I hope everyone is well. I have a straightforward question (I think!) What directory do I point a new CentOS installation so it installs via ftp? I have tried every part of the directory tree I can think of but it always fails.
21:31
I am trying to point it to ftp.telus.net
21:32
I pointed it to ftp.telus.net/pub/centos/5.0/os/i386/ but nothing.
21:32
tried all other places. I am not sure if this is a syntax thing (slashes/no slashes) or just the wrong directory.
21:33
All the documentation just says to point it to the ftp site so I am lost.
21:37
<vagrantc>
TheProf: is this installing ltsp ?
21:40
<TheProf>
in this instance no, it's just a straightforward centOS
21:41* vagrantc wonders if there is a centos channel
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<TheProf>
I asked there already
21:42
I found that people here are very knowledgeable
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Any thoughts?
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