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Channel log from 26 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<bobnormal>
hey i've got a boot to kdm working with my first ltsp setup (4.2, on gentoo), but having problems debugging why post-login i get thrown back to kdm
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<sep>
bobnormal, can you login on a console ? often it's missing or wrong permissions on homedir,
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<bobnormal>
lemme double check... yep, i can login over ssh no worries
03:58
ahh, i get a .xsession errors file saying 'startkde' couldnt be found
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i guess thats an optional package
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im trying to set up the architecture for a call center
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anyone else done ltsp+voip before? i found one article online about it, thats all
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is ltsp 4.2 ok for sound?
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<dberkholz>
you really might want to try ltsp5 on ubuntu or debian, it's a lot better supported
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<bobnormal>
dberkholz: damn
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dberkholz: you were supposed to be the developer guy making it happen
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dberkholz: how much work is there left to do? can i help?
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<dberkholz>
bobnormal: ltsp5? sure. slowly, in my spare time from other gentoo stuff, which is all in my spare time from real life. =)
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bobnormal: there's a fair bit left to do. if you are very familiar with bash and gentoo-style init scripts, you might be able to help
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<bobnormal>
dberkholz: yep, i've rewritten some to make them multi (eg: openvpn)
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<dberkholz>
i'm just starting to get a little cynical, because i've pointed about 10 people at something to do, and none of them have come back with anything yet
04:15
ping me sometime tomorrow and i'll give you more info
04:15
i'm just going to bed, it's 2am here
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<bobnormal>
ok cool
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enjoy your sleep :)
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<doggkatcha>
cyberorg, is the ltsp5 implementation in 10.3 safe for production?
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<cyberorg>
doggkatcha, not yet :)
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<cyberorg>
doggkatcha, try it out and if it works for you, use it ;)
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<doggkatcha>
cyberorg, ok. another question how can i get the suse bootsplash in 4.2?
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<cyberorg>
doggkatcha, that is the part of initrd, 4.2 has not been developed for last 2 years, so not even sure it supports bootsplash
04:29
it is possible on kiwi-ltsp
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<cyberorg>
ogra, around? i need help in understanding how ltspfs 0.5 works
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<ogra>
cyberorg, sbalneav is your man then, i'm building an edubuntu betarelease atm, no time here
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<cyberorg>
ogra, oki, will catch him, i'll try and figure it out in the mean time :)
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<cliebow>
weehee!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<ogra>
!s
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<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<masus>
hi all
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<sbalneav>
Morning ogra!
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<rjune_>
!s
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<ltspbot`>
rjune_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<evarlast>
anyone using ltsp for non-terminal, small cluster mpich stuff?
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<sbalneav>
evarlast: I know lots of people have tried.
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<evarlast>
lol.
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and failed?
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i just found out that mpich in ubuntu/debian is WAY older than I need. so I'm going to use existing cluster filesystems and try to let ltsp handle just the boot stuff - but point to my own nfs root.
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later I can package more modern mpich and submit that
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<sbalneav>
You'd probably have an easier time just packaging the mpich, and installing it in ltsp5
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<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, i'm getting reports of log out issues for the server i set up for my office.. had any issues? they say when they click the log out button it doesn't do anything
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<sbalneav>
Got any dead bug-buddies in the background?
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<joebob777as7>
?
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<evarlast>
probably, but since I'm clueless and at a clients, I'm gonna try this first.
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<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: ps -ef | grep bug-buddy
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<joebob777as7>
i'll look it's an hour away. I'll be there tomorrow.
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sbalneav, what if there are?
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<evarlast>
enabling universe in ltsp? good? bad? no biggie?
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<j0ebaker>
I have a thin client that isn't booting very far. I ran module-assist to install kqemu earlier.
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seems to load the kernel fine.
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Then prints a bunch of stuff, and stops at an ethernet type message talking about mtu 1500 auto negociating.
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Outch... Sorry. It just made it past that point and we have a login screen.
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All is good :)
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<Guaraldo>
j0ebaker: ...
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<evarlast>
cluster stufs is coming along :)
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non-terminal ltsp
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;p
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Are you there?
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sbalneav: Some problema on LTSP-Devices with rdesktop (LTSP4.2) mounts... can you help me?
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Can you help me?
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sbalneav: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssse....
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<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: gadi is the master of rdesktop with LTSP
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Oh... thanks...
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Gadi: Are you there? I need some help with LTSP-Devices with rdesktop (LTSP4.2) mounts... CD-ROMs are not ejectable...
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: I am actually bouncing between a bunch of things atm, but are you using this:http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#LTSP_4_2_RDP_localdev
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<evarlast>
where is the prefered place to set USE_LOCAL_SWAP ?
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<vagrantc>
evarlast: lts.conf
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<Guaraldo>
No, Gadi... I'm use LTSP with a kind of dual boot LTSP system... We made a script to choose OS, so it goes by XDMCP (Linux) or Rdesktop...
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Local Devices may work on both systems...
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<Gadi>
then, what mounts your local devices for rdesktop?
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<Guaraldo>
Its working grate on XDMCP... But on Rdesktop it mounts, you can use CD-ROM, but you cant eject CD-ROM to use another one...
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the option -r of rdesktop
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<evarlast>
vagrantc: TY
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i had to move the exports plugin from common to Debian today
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<j0ebaker>
evarlast... OK you've peaked my interest. Is stufs some sort of OpenMosix clustering distro?
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: are you running rdesktop from the server or from the client as a screen script?
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<ogra>
it breaks if /etc/exports is nonexistent or nfs-kernel-server isnt there you probably want to add some error catching to it for debian :)
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: from the client as a screen script?
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Ops.. I mean : Gadi: from the client as a screen script!
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<vagrantc>
ogra: hmmm... i think it would still belong in common, but with better error checking and if you're building an nfs root
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<ogra>
yeah
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: then, you prolly want to use the package I linked to above
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<ogra>
i had to move it since it broke my CDs and that was the fastest
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<Guaraldo>
Ok... I'll try...
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Will it change the lbus system, Gadi?
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<evarlast>
j0ebaker: no, just doing mpich massively parallel computations, but using LTSP for cluster management
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: it will run lubssd and ltspfs locally on the thin client
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then, you modify the scren script to do: -r disk:drives=/Drives
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<evarlast>
vagrantc: I don't see where lts.conf is read in S32ltsp-client-setup. I'm using ubuntu.
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<ogra>
evarlast, if make a plugin out of it, we could add it as an option to ltsp-build-client ;)
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<Gadi>
the ltspfs-mounted drives should be in /Drives
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on the client
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<ogra>
evarlast, which release is that ?
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<evarlast>
ogra: for mosix, sure.
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: /tmp/drives
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<evarlast>
fiesty/feisty
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: no, /Drives
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<ogra>
ah, k
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<Guaraldo>
LTSP 4.2
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<Gadi>
once the package is installed
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<ogra>
gutsy can read lts.conf from the tftp dir
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<Gadi>
the package will make an ltspfs mount from /Drives/<media> to /tmp/drives<media>
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<vagrantc>
evarlast: it's read in the . ...../ltsp_config stuff
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<Gadi>
so, you want to redirect /Drives
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<evarlast>
vagrantc: thanks.
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Well, let me understand... LocalDev is working fine on my clients... When using XDMCP it works fine, my rdesktop screen script is with the option -r disk:drives=/tmp/drives.
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: in that configuration, you would be required to login to X, access a local drive, and then switch over to rdesktop to see it
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not very practical
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<Guaraldo>
I can read CD-ROMs and penDrives in my Windows terminals, but I can't eject them...
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<Gadi>
you should not be able to see the pen drives if you only log into windows and not linux
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try it
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if you can, you are not using ltspfs
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<Guaraldo>
well... It calls xinit and run rdesktop on the client...
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<Gadi>
right. but when you plug in the pen drive, it will not be mounted automatically
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ltspfs mounts it upon use
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<rjune_>
Gadi !
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Hummm... I changed ltsp-devices.sh to auto mount any device...
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<Gadi>
so, if you just redirect /tmp/drives to rdesktop, you'll get a bunch of empty directories
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ah, well, now ur breaking things ;)
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Hehehehehehehehe...
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<Gadi>
with the above package, it will set up ltspfs mounts from the client to itself
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that way, the drives are unmounted when not in use
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(which solves ur eject probs)
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hi, rjune, btw
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Now I can understand what is happening...
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<Gadi>
just typing fast
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<evarlast>
is it me, or is ltsp docs lacking a bit?
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<Guaraldo>
Will it change something on the Linux envoriment, Gadi? I mean, the ltspfs that is working fine on Linux terminals will still work fine?
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<Gadi>
Guaraldo: it hould :)
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er, should
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Ok...
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<Gadi>
jammcq wrote lbus to allow multiple connections from different servers
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Thanks...
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: hello, was afk
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<Gadi>
good luck
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and when in doubt, test ! :)
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<evarlast>
I can't find how to nfs mount /home in 5.x.
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<sbalneav>
evarlast: Well, the 4.2 docs are fairly complete, and the ltsp5 docs are fairly complete in the edubuntu handbook.
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<ogra>
evarlast, one of the initscripts creates the fstab ...
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<sbalneav>
!handbook
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: Error: "handbook" is not a valid command.
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<ogra>
evarlast, just add it there
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<evarlast>
ogra: exactly, I found that. I didn't like the idea of adding it there.
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ok, I'll just add there.
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<sbalneav>
Don't we have a factoid for that?
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!topics
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<evarlast>
I just fear it getting overwritten.
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<sbalneav>
factoids search --values
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ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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<ogra>
evarlast, i have a patch in launchpad for that since ages but that requires some extra changes like nfs-common being istalled in the chroot
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<sbalneav>
guess not.
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<evarlast>
ogra: I just think it would be nice to merge fstab from a file if needed
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<ogra>
evarlast, well, that patch allows EXTRAMOUNT=""
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you can put a line for fstab into it
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<evarlast>
cool
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EXTRAMOUNT[0-9]
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:)
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<ogra>
would be trivial to make it EXTRAMOUNT_01 EXTRAMOUNT_0*
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yeah
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot`: learn handbook as The edubuntu handbook is the best source of LTSP5 documentation. You can find it at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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<sbalneav>
!handbook
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "handbook" is The edubuntu handbook is the best source of LTSP5 documentation. You can find it at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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<j0ebaker>
A user here notices that her Ubuntu session is faster on Windows 98 with NoMachine than on a Thin Client running startx.
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<j0ebaker>
The computer is an old Pentium 400 mhz. It has an early nvidia chipset, but because it isn't supported well by the nv driver
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I usually tell it to use vesa driver.
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<evarlast>
j0ebaker: TNT or ealier even?
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<j0ebaker>
So this makes me want to get nxclient working again.
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I do think it said something about tnt.
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<evarlast>
j0ebaker: I had one of those :)
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<j0ebaker>
I have lots of them. We got them for like $20 each without hard drives.
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Probably 10 of them.
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Maybe I should just get video cards for them.
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<sbalneav>
The problem I have with NX is all the load it puts on the server/
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That and the fact it's non Free
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<ogra>
and badly duplicating all of xorg
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<sbalneav>
heh
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<ogra>
so no way to have security support for it ever
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<sbalneav>
that as well.
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Overall, I'd say 10 cheap video cards off ebay would be the better solution.
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<evarlast>
i miss LBX.
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why they removed LBX from xorg is beyond me.
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used to really speed up my X
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<evarlast>
I'm confused and I can't find where x is started :(
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<loather-work>
nobody knew lbx existed, for the most part
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i thought it was awesome
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someone in xorg probably did something to break it and didn't want to fix it
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so they removed it instead :(
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although, i would like to get NX working. There's FreeNX, which is free for the server part
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but I don't think there exists a free client just yet
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you still have to use the whats-its-nuts client from that one company to really be able to use it
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<ogra>
loather-work, that doesnt solve the code duplication issues in XN ... freenx has the same issues here
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*NX
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<loather-work>
ogra: well, that part notwithstanding
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i'm not a fan of code duplication either
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<evarlast>
from where is ldm launched?
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<sbalneav>
From the screen-script, which is launched from the rcfiles.
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<evarlast>
tahnk you.
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i never would have found that.
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so I can disable X, just by adding SCREEN_01=shell to lts.conf
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<sbalneav>
yep
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<evarlast>
very nice.
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took me a while to find, but very nice indeed.
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<loather-work>
is there an easy way to tell the autoconfig thing in 4.2 to *not* put any hsync/vsync ranges in for my monitor?
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i'd rather have that stuff autoprobed
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<sbalneav>
loather-work: No, 4.2 didn't do any autoprobing
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it's a completely constructed file.
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You'd have to modify the build_x4_something (can't remember) to have it sub in to use the autodetected valies.
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<loather-work>
sbalneav: ah, ok. lemme see what i can do about that. I might steal the code from 5 to autoprobe the monitor (if I can figure out where it's doing that).
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<sbalneav>
If you're using 4.2, it's an older version of X that doesn't have much of the X11R7 autoprobing goodies in it. Forewarned is forarmed.
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Heading home for the day, be on later tonight.
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<loather-work>
so. How do you autoprobe a monitor for its sync ranges?
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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