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hey i've got a boot to kdm working with my first ltsp setup (4.2, on gentoo), but having problems debugging why post-login i get thrown back to kdm
bobnormal, can you login on a console ? often it's missing or wrong permissions on homedir,
lemme double check... yep, i can login over ssh no worries
ahh, i get a .xsession errors file saying 'startkde' couldnt be found
i guess thats an optional package
im trying to set up the architecture for a call center
anyone else done ltsp+voip before? i found one article online about it, thats all
is ltsp 4.2 ok for sound?
you really might want to try ltsp5 on ubuntu or debian, it's a lot better supported
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dberkholz: you were supposed to be the developer guy making it happen
dberkholz: how much work is there left to do? can i help?
bobnormal: ltsp5? sure. slowly, in my spare time from other gentoo stuff, which is all in my spare time from real life. =)
bobnormal: there's a fair bit left to do. if you are very familiar with bash and gentoo-style init scripts, you might be able to help
dberkholz: yep, i've rewritten some to make them multi (eg: openvpn)
i'm just starting to get a little cynical, because i've pointed about 10 people at something to do, and none of them have come back with anything yet
ping me sometime tomorrow and i'll give you more info
i'm just going to bed, it's 2am here
enjoy your sleep :)
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cyberorg, is the ltsp5 implementation in 10.3 safe for production?
doggkatcha, not yet :)
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doggkatcha, try it out and if it works for you, use it ;)
cyberorg, ok. another question how can i get the suse bootsplash in 4.2?
doggkatcha, that is the part of initrd, 4.2 has not been developed for last 2 years, so not even sure it supports bootsplash
it is possible on kiwi-ltsp
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ogra, around? i need help in understanding how ltspfs 0.5 works
cyberorg, sbalneav is your man then, i'm building an edubuntu betarelease atm, no time here
ogra, oki, will catch him, i'll try and figure it out in the mean time :)
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ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rjune_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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anyone using ltsp for non-terminal, small cluster mpich stuff?
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evarlast: I know lots of people have tried.
i just found out that mpich in ubuntu/debian is WAY older than I need. so I'm going to use existing cluster filesystems and try to let ltsp handle just the boot stuff - but point to my own nfs root.
later I can package more modern mpich and submit that
You'd probably have an easier time just packaging the mpich, and installing it in ltsp5
sbalneav, i'm getting reports of log out issues for the server i set up for my office.. had any issues? they say when they click the log out button it doesn't do anything
Got any dead bug-buddies in the background?
probably, but since I'm clueless and at a clients, I'm gonna try this first.
joebob777as7: ps -ef | grep bug-buddy
i'll look it's an hour away. I'll be there tomorrow.
sbalneav, what if there are?
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enabling universe in ltsp? good? bad? no biggie?
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I have a thin client that isn't booting very far. I ran module-assist to install kqemu earlier.
seems to load the kernel fine.
Then prints a bunch of stuff, and stops at an ethernet type message talking about mtu 1500 auto negociating.
Outch... Sorry. It just made it past that point and we have a login screen.
All is good :)
cluster stufs is coming along :)
sbalneav: Are you there?
sbalneav: Some problema on LTSP-Devices with rdesktop (LTSP4.2) mounts... can you help me?
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sbalneav: Can you help me?
Guaraldo: gadi is the master of rdesktop with LTSP
vagrantc: Oh... thanks...
Gadi: Are you there? I need some help with LTSP-Devices with rdesktop (LTSP4.2) mounts... CD-ROMs are not ejectable...
Guaraldo: I am actually bouncing between a bunch of things atm, but are you using this:http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#LTSP_4_2_RDP_localdev
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where is the prefered place to set USE_LOCAL_SWAP ?
No, Gadi... I'm use LTSP with a kind of dual boot LTSP system... We made a script to choose OS, so it goes by XDMCP (Linux) or Rdesktop...
Local Devices may work on both systems...
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then, what mounts your local devices for rdesktop?
Its working grate on XDMCP... But on Rdesktop it mounts, you can use CD-ROM, but you cant eject CD-ROM to use another one...
the option -r of rdesktop
vagrantc, i had to move the exports plugin from common to Debian today
evarlast... OK you've peaked my interest. Is stufs some sort of OpenMosix clustering distro?
Guaraldo: are you running rdesktop from the server or from the client as a screen script?
it breaks if /etc/exports is nonexistent or nfs-kernel-server isnt there you probably want to add some error catching to it for debian :)
Gadi: from the client as a screen script?
Ops.. I mean : Gadi: from the client as a screen script!
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ogra: hmmm... i think it would still belong in common, but with better error checking and if you're building an nfs root
Guaraldo: then, you prolly want to use the package I linked to above
i had to move it since it broke my CDs and that was the fastest
Ok... I'll try...
Will it change the lbus system, Gadi?
j0ebaker: no, just doing mpich massively parallel computations, but using LTSP for cluster management
Guaraldo: it will run lubssd and ltspfs locally on the thin client
then, you modify the scren script to do: -r disk:drives=/Drives
vagrantc: I don't see where lts.conf is read in S32ltsp-client-setup. I'm using ubuntu.
evarlast, if make a plugin out of it, we could add it as an option to ltsp-build-client ;)
the ltspfs-mounted drives should be in /Drives
on the client
evarlast, which release is that ?
ogra: for mosix, sure.
Guaraldo: no, /Drives
once the package is installed
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gutsy can read lts.conf from the tftp dir
the package will make an ltspfs mount from /Drives/<media> to /tmp/drives<media>
evarlast: it's read in the . ...../ltsp_config stuff
so, you want to redirect /Drives
Gadi: Well, let me understand... LocalDev is working fine on my clients... When using XDMCP it works fine, my rdesktop screen script is with the option -r disk:drives=/tmp/drives.
Guaraldo: in that configuration, you would be required to login to X, access a local drive, and then switch over to rdesktop to see it
not very practical
I can read CD-ROMs and penDrives in my Windows terminals, but I can't eject them...
you should not be able to see the pen drives if you only log into windows and not linux
if you can, you are not using ltspfs
well... It calls xinit and run rdesktop on the client...
right. but when you plug in the pen drive, it will not be mounted automatically
ltspfs mounts it upon use
Gadi: Hummm... I changed ltsp-devices.sh to auto mount any device...
so, if you just redirect /tmp/drives to rdesktop, you'll get a bunch of empty directories
ah, well, now ur breaking things ;)
with the above package, it will set up ltspfs mounts from the client to itself
that way, the drives are unmounted when not in use
(which solves ur eject probs)
hi, rjune, btw
Gadi: Now I can understand what is happening...
just typing fast
is it me, or is ltsp docs lacking a bit?
Will it change something on the Linux envoriment, Gadi? I mean, the ltspfs that is working fine on Linux terminals will still work fine?
Guaraldo: it hould :)
jammcq wrote lbus to allow multiple connections from different servers
Guaraldo: hello, was afk
and when in doubt, test ! :)
I can't find how to nfs mount /home in 5.x.
evarlast: Well, the 4.2 docs are fairly complete, and the ltsp5 docs are fairly complete in the edubuntu handbook.
evarlast, one of the initscripts creates the fstab ...
sbalneav: Error: "handbook" is not a valid command.
evarlast, just add it there
ogra: exactly, I found that. I didn't like the idea of adding it there.
ok, I'll just add there.
Don't we have a factoid for that?
I just fear it getting overwritten.
sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
factoids search --values
ltspbot`: factoids search --values
sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
evarlast, i have a patch in launchpad for that since ages but that requires some extra changes like nfs-common being istalled in the chroot
ogra: I just think it would be nice to merge fstab from a file if needed
evarlast, well, that patch allows EXTRAMOUNT=""
you can put a line for fstab into it
would be trivial to make it EXTRAMOUNT_01 EXTRAMOUNT_0*
ltspbot`: learn handbook as The edubuntu handbook is the best source of LTSP5 documentation. You can find it at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
sbalneav: "handbook" is The edubuntu handbook is the best source of LTSP5 documentation. You can find it at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
A user here notices that her Ubuntu session is faster on Windows 98 with NoMachine than on a Thin Client running startx.
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The computer is an old Pentium 400 mhz. It has an early nvidia chipset, but because it isn't supported well by the nv driver
I usually tell it to use vesa driver.
j0ebaker: TNT or ealier even?
So this makes me want to get nxclient working again.
I do think it said something about tnt.
j0ebaker: I had one of those :)
I have lots of them. We got them for like $20 each without hard drives.
Probably 10 of them.
Maybe I should just get video cards for them.
The problem I have with NX is all the load it puts on the server/
That and the fact it's non Free
and badly duplicating all of xorg
so no way to have security support for it ever
that as well.
Overall, I'd say 10 cheap video cards off ebay would be the better solution.
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i miss LBX.
why they removed LBX from xorg is beyond me.
used to really speed up my X
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I'm confused and I can't find where x is started :(
nobody knew lbx existed, for the most part
i thought it was awesome
someone in xorg probably did something to break it and didn't want to fix it
so they removed it instead :(
although, i would like to get NX working. There's FreeNX, which is free for the server part
but I don't think there exists a free client just yet
you still have to use the whats-its-nuts client from that one company to really be able to use it
loather-work, that doesnt solve the code duplication issues in XN ... freenx has the same issues here
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ogra: well, that part notwithstanding
i'm not a fan of code duplication either
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from where is ldm launched?
From the screen-script, which is launched from the rcfiles.
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i never would have found that.
so I can disable X, just by adding SCREEN_01=shell to lts.conf
took me a while to find, but very nice indeed.
is there an easy way to tell the autoconfig thing in 4.2 to *not* put any hsync/vsync ranges in for my monitor?
i'd rather have that stuff autoprobed
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loather-work: No, 4.2 didn't do any autoprobing
it's a completely constructed file.
You'd have to modify the build_x4_something (can't remember) to have it sub in to use the autodetected valies.
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sbalneav: ah, ok. lemme see what i can do about that. I might steal the code from 5 to autoprobe the monitor (if I can figure out where it's doing that).
If you're using 4.2, it's an older version of X that doesn't have much of the X11R7 autoprobing goodies in it. Forewarned is forarmed.
Heading home for the day, be on later tonight.
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so. How do you autoprobe a monitor for its sync ranges?
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