IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 9 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
But it's not really a problem, the latest ltsp version doesn't need 30 seconds after a wrong password
00:00
It would be nice if restart x was *not* needed on this case, though
00:00
<Ryan52>
ya.
00:01
<alkisg>
zer0c00l: which distro?
00:01
<Ryan52>
alkisg, zer0c00l said k12 linux
00:01
<zer0c00l>
yeah
00:01
<alkisg>
Sorry, didn't see that. No idea
00:01
<zer0c00l>
ok
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<alkisg>
zer0c00l: oh, I forgot a "usr" in the path, it should be: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules
00:24
<zer0c00l>
ok
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00:27
<zer0c00l>
its not there too
00:27
<alkisg>
zer0c00l: is your chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
00:28
<zer0c00l>
i used a diffrent method.....
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<zer0c00l>
i copied the /opt/ltsp/i386 of ltsp-5 (k12ltsp)
00:29
and also the ramdisk
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<zer0c00l>
the nfs will mount the /opt/ltsp/i386
00:29
on boot
00:29
and bring back the boot screen
00:30
i haven't followed ltsp-5 instructions
00:31
<alkisg>
OK... sorry, I've never seen k12-ltsp.
00:31
<zer0c00l>
ok
00:32
so which distro are you working in?
00:32
in that distro you can build your custom kernel and ramdisk for ltsp-5?
00:32
is there any links available for how to do that in step by step?
00:35
<alkisg>
I'm on Ubuntu 8.10. I don't know of any tutorials on what you're looking...
00:43
zer0c00l: I'm just reading about k12ltsp... Is the current -EL version newer than the fedora-based one?
00:44
<zer0c00l>
its based on fedora 9
00:45
EL?
00:45
<alkisg>
Yeah, the cent-os based one
00:45
http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Which_K12LTSP_should_I_download%3F
00:45
<cyberorg>
zer0c00l, any reason for custom kernel/initrd?
00:45
<zer0c00l>
i want to add wireless drivers
00:45
inside initrd
00:46
so that i can make thin clients work wirelessly
00:46
<cyberorg>
just adding drivers would work?
00:47
<zer0c00l>
i guess so
00:47
<cyberorg>
what about security encryption etc?
00:47
<zer0c00l>
thats not a problem
00:48
when i used 2.6.17 kernel it hasn't detected my lan card
00:48
mine is marvel
00:48
sky2 module
00:48
<cyberorg>
and firmware?
00:49
<zer0c00l>
so i used 2.6.23 custom kernel and it worked for me
00:50
<cyberorg>
adding sky2 is easy, but wireless is drivers, firmware and unless you have insecure open access point - password/key to connect
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<cyberorg>
sky2 or wireless booting?
00:52
<zer0c00l>
wireless booting
00:53
sky2 is for wired right?
00:54
<cyberorg>
i assumed it was wired
00:54
<zer0c00l>
yeah
00:54
sky2 is for wired
00:55
the ramdisk provided by k12 linux does not include all the wireless drivers
00:56
<cyberorg>
ok, if you have openSUSE 11.1 test server i can try and help add modules to initrd
00:56
<zer0c00l>
ok
00:56
let me download openSUSE 11.1
00:57
does it have tools to add modules to initrd
00:57
they have separate edition for ltsp or integrated with distro?
00:57
<cyberorg>
yes
00:57
<zer0c00l>
ok
00:58
<cyberorg>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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<cyberorg>
we install LTSP separately after installation of the OS
00:58
hi vagrantc :)
01:05
<vagrantc>
hi
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<zer0c00l>
in opensuse does the mkinitrd command generates ltsp compatible ramdisk?
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01:26
<Ryan52>
vagrantc, you still around?
01:26
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: yeah
01:26
hope to sleep soonish, though
01:26
<Ryan52>
that sed has a syntax error also.
01:26
the 's/,$,,g' part.
01:26
sed: -e expression #2, char 7: unterminated `s' command
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01:27* Ryan52 noticed it and the missing ) when you first committed it, but then you went "poof" :)
01:27
<Ryan52>
and then I forgot :p
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<vagrantc>
gah.
01:28
i'm feeling sloppy
01:29
i noticed *both* of those and somehow still committed them.
01:29
<Ryan52>
heh
01:30
<vagrantc>
i normally use , for my sed expressions, so it's practically reflex
01:31
<zer0c00l>
byeeeeee
01:31
room
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01:32
<vagrantc>
i was getting some really weird issues with multiple xatomwait commands running... now i realized that ldm doesn't use the same logic for dirs as run-parts ...
01:33
egrep ^[0-9a-zA-Z_\-]*$
01:34
and number of numbers, letters, underscores and hyphens
01:35
but ldm seems to run S01-localapps.old, S01-localapps.orig, and S01-localapps.[0-9] too ... so when i had a half-dozen in there, it would spawn a half-dozen localapps...
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06:52
<Appiah_>
does anyone know where nbd-server keeps it's log?
06:53
I'm having an issue "squashfs error" nbd0 Attemped send on closed socket
06:54
(when booting)
07:01
<alkisg>
Appiah: grep nbd /var/log/daemon.log
07:02
But I also get this error in Ubuntu 8.10 while everything works fine.
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<Appiah_>
alkisg: thanks but already found it
07:07
log says nothing
07:07
it the same in syslog
07:08
alkisg: Ye I read about people getting the error when they are already logged in
07:08
but this is during boot
07:08
<alkisg>
I get the error during boot, and it boots fine
07:08
<Appiah_>
which makes it unable to boot
07:10
takes a long time for a [FAIL] to appear
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<Appiah_>
then you have to reboot
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<Appiah_>
We need the clients to be able to boot up and login at pretty much the same time =(
07:13
booting 3-5 at a time is not a simple solution when school students are using these terminals
07:16
<alkisg>
Appiah_: when you finally boot the clients, do they work OK? I mean even under heavy usage, e.g. if you try to watch video in all of them...
07:19
<Appiah_>
I'd say it's OK
07:19
the login time can get long during heavy use
07:19
but atm there is not much activity
07:20
some temrinals are on at login and one is being used, and we are rebooting 5 at the same time
07:20
to find 1-2 booting OK while the others get the nbd error when doing the "Setting up LTSP" step
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07:22
<Appiah_>
found this on the temrminal : ltsp-client-setup awk sort input output error
07:31
<nubae>
Appiah_: still with the same issues?
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07:34
<alkisg>
Appiah_: I can't see a "Setting up LTSP" step in the boot process. What exactly does it say when the problem occurs?
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07:34
<nubae>
alkisg: are u subscribed to edubuntu-devel?
07:35
<Appiah_>
nubae: na we got past the DHCP issue
07:35
<alkisg>
nubae, no
07:35
<nubae>
oh... how?
07:35
alkisg: u should subscribe... so we can discuss the future of edubuntu there
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<nubae>
especially which apps are to go into Jaunty
07:35
<Appiah_>
with an ugly workaround , we plugged in and old machine that had 8.04 on it , used its dhcp3-server and made it point to the 8.10 tftp
07:36
and that worked >_>
07:36
<nubae>
hmmm, so it was the dhcp server in 8.10?
07:36
<Appiah_>
we tried downgrading 8.10 dhcp3 but that didnt work
07:36
<alkisg>
nubae: I don't know if I'm the right person for this... I don't use much apps from the edubuntu addon cd, I don't even have it installed at school, I only installed it at a home pc to see what's in it
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<Appiah_>
we used an older version of dhcp3 , still didn't work
07:36
now we are having an issue with this squashfs
07:36
<nubae>
u could try create a chrooted dhcp, maybe that would work
07:36
<Appiah_>
sorry I'll try to read what the step is called
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<nubae>
alkisg: this is to discuss which new items should be supported by edubuntu community
07:37
like, the ones that are popularly used by schools that are not in main
07:37
ie, outside the addon-cd
07:38
<alkisg>
nubae: I'll subscribe, but I don't know how much I'll be able to help... :(
07:38
<Appiah_>
* Setting up LTSP Client" thats the step that fails
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<nubae>
well, just giving input like saying 'I like progam X' is already good ;-)
07:39
<Appiah_>
then etc/rcS.d/S* and all of of them say input/output error
07:41
<alkisg>
Do you have anything customized in the chroot or is it default install?
07:41
<Appiah_>
S32ltsp-client-setup is one of them
07:41
the chroot is pretty much clean
07:42
we did install some stuff and remove it later
07:42
we can try to wipe it and make a new one
07:42
<nubae>
yeah try it with a virgin chroot first
07:42
messing with the chroot, however small, may cause booting issues
07:42
<alkisg>
I don't think I see any rcS.d/S* messages in the console, maybe there's a broken script somewhere...
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07:48
<encompass>
Howdy all, can someone point me to a ltsp howto for ubuntu that shows me how to do a setup WITHOUT PXE, for example from cd/hd/or floppy
07:49
<alkisg>
encompass: http://www.rom-o-matic.net/ => download either floppy or cd version
07:50
<encompass>
alkisg: woot thanks
07:50
<alkisg>
encompass: if you have grub/lilo on your laptop, you may also download gpxe.krn and load it from menu.lst with kernel=gpxe.krn
07:50
(to put it on the hd, I mean)
07:51
<encompass>
that is probably the best direction for me
07:51
thnaks
07:55
<Appiah_>
same thing happend with a clean client image
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<Appiah_>
any new ideas? =(
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<kc8pxy>
i'm the proud new owner of a successful ltsp-build-client. how do i test it?
11:08
<johnny>
what other infra do you have setup? existing dhcp /tftp server?
11:09
<kc8pxy>
existing dhcp, never needed a tftp before.
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<johnny>
what dhcp server
11:10
<kc8pxy>
dhcpd in portage.
11:10
<johnny>
ok, so ..
11:10
first enable ldminfod for xinetd
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so you don't forget later
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just change the line disable = yes to disable = no
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under /etc/xinetd.d/
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<kc8pxy>
wha?
11:11
<johnny>
and then start it up
11:11
and make sure it starts on boot
11:11
<kc8pxy>
please assume i have never done any of this
11:11
<johnny>
i am
11:12
i told you which line to change specifically
11:12
and then use rc-update to enable it to start at boot
11:12
and also manually start it
11:12
<kc8pxy>
johnny: i never isntalled xinetd myself.. did the build-client do it for me?
11:12
<johnny>
yes
11:12
no
11:12
sorry
11:12
emerging ltsp-server should have
11:12
<kc8pxy>
ok, please do not assume i know such facts.
11:13
<johnny>
well you didn't need to know
11:13
unless it doesn't exist :)
11:13
if i tell you to do something, that means it should exist :)
11:15
<kc8pxy>
which file in xinetd.d/ do i edit to change the line?
11:15
i don't see a ldminfod
11:16
<johnny>
hmm.. perhaps i missed something..
11:16
i bet i did..
11:16
lemme see
11:16
<kc8pxy>
johnny: seeing how, as with all beta-quality software(which i consider ltsp-server on gentoo, easy to do :-(
11:17
<johnny>
huh?
11:18
<kc8pxy>
missing a bit of this, or a bit of that, is easy, when you are just getting something up to par :)
11:18* kc8pxy knows from experience :-(
11:18
<johnny>
this was a recent change in the structure of ltsp
11:18
i just didn't add the dep
11:19
i did the ebuild, but forgot the dep
11:19
<kc8pxy>
doh! :)
11:19
<johnny>
one moment
11:20
<kc8pxy>
i've done that with the rails app i use often.. when i update it via git, i have to change permissions, because apache won't work with it owned by the user, and rake db:migrate won't run with it permissioned so apache can serve it :-(
11:21
sometimes i update, and DOH< i forgot to re-chown it :)
11:22
<johnny>
kc8pxy, layman -s ltsp
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and emerge ltsp-server
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it should pull in ldminfod now
11:25
now i need to go back over the other changes
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: do i need to do a full ltsp-build-client from scratch now?
11:32
<johnny>
no
11:32
not for this anyways
11:34
<kc8pxy>
it didn't pull in any new packages in emerge, just had a profile.qs change.
11:35
<johnny>
does your local copy have ldminfod in ltsp-server ?
11:35
net-misc/ldminfod
11:35
it should yell at you to unmask it (keyword)
11:36
<kc8pxy>
didn't say anything. let me check it with update-eix&& eix ldminfo
11:37
<evilx>
are there any documents on getting LTSP to use VNC instead of X11?
11:37
<kc8pxy>
it's in the overlay, but not installed,
11:37
evilx: ...... why?
11:38
<evilx>
would it be faster then X1?
11:38
X11?
11:38
<kc8pxy>
evilx: why?
11:38
<evilx>
that was my question would it be faster
11:39
<johnny>
no
11:39
it wouldn't
11:39
if it were.. and did what we needed, we'd be using it
11:39
kc8pxy, look at the ebuild contents
11:39
<evilx>
hm ok
11:39
<johnny>
for ltsp-server
11:40
<kc8pxy>
evilx: i didn't think it would be.. instead of full screens, with x11, the client is given x11 commands, which are FAR smaller than vnc. IIRC. smaller data for the dame task = faster
11:41
<evilx>
hmm ok
11:41
<johnny>
kc8pxy, look!
11:41
so i can get back to work :)
11:42
last line of RDEPEND should have it ..
11:42
<kc8pxy>
it does.. why did it not get pulled?
11:42
<johnny>
emerge ltsp-server -av
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<kc8pxy>
just ltsp-server
11:43
<johnny>
emerge -1 ldminfod -av
11:43
<evilx>
i guess ltsp-server is not in the main portage
11:43
<johnny>
no.. it isn't
11:44
it's in an overlay
11:44
<evilx>
ah, was going to say I just logged on a server and noticed
11:44
<kc8pxy>
johnny: keywords.. fixing
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<sbalneav>
evilx: vnc specifically tries to keep the amount of data flowing over the wire small
11:49
but at the cost of greatly increased processing power needed to calculate the smalles "dfferences" it can send.
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<sbalneav>
so for a slow speed connection (say, over a wan link), VNC will give you much faster performance.
11:50
<johnny>
but.. local devices..?
11:50
<sbalneav>
but, on a fast (100 mbps or better) lan, with 30 or so clients, you'll simply kill the server with processing.
11:50
johnny: ?
11:50
Was that directed at me?
11:50
<johnny>
they don't work over plain vnc?
11:51
<sbalneav>
Not as far as I know.
11:51
<johnny>
yeah.. that's what i thought
11:51
just making sure
11:51
<ogra>
just because johnny didnt patch it yet :P
11:51
slacker
11:51
<johnny>
ogra, how are you!
11:51
<sbalneav>
hey ogra!
11:51
<ogra>
:)
11:51
hey
11:51
busy
11:51
<sbalneav>
I'm off for lunch, be back in an hour.
11:51
<johnny>
so.. when are we gonna hack on dbus and test it and whatnot?
11:51
<ogra>
building arm stuff
11:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hey ogra, any word from the HW guy?
11:52
<johnny>
kc8pxy, so.. where are you now?
11:52
<ogra>
hmm, not to me, his boss asked me for your mail addy and wanted to mail you ... but thats four weeks ago
11:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
haven't heard anything
11:52
<ogra>
though given that all my mails to ltsp.org come back he mght have a similar issue
11:52
<kc8pxy>
johnny: got ldminfod in /etc/xinetd.d/ set NOT to disable.
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<ogra>
jam@Ltsp.org
11:53
Delay reason: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<jam@Ltsp.org>:
11:53
host www.ltsp.org [70.91.230.211]: 450 Server configuration problem
11:53
<johnny>
so.. add it to your rc-update
11:53
and /etc/init.d/xinetd start
11:54
kc8pxy, and then... you need to setup your tftp server
11:54
you should have tftp-hap
11:54
err -hap
11:54
UGGH
11:54
-hpa
11:57
you want to set INTFTPD_PATH="/var/lib/tftpboot" in /etc/conf.d/in.tftpd
11:57
and also set that to start on boot and start it now
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<zerocool>
hi
11:59
<johnny>
kc8pxy, and then mkdir -p /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86
11:59
ooh.. one more
11:59
pxelinux.cfg
11:59
directory
12:00
mkdir -p /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86/pxelinux.cfg
12:01
and then you want /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86/pxelinux.cfg/default file with this contents
12:01
DEFAULT bzImage ro initrd=initramfs root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.2.4:/opt/ltsp/x86
12:01
<zerocool>
anybody online know much abt rdesktop to windows from ltsp clients?
12:01
<johnny>
with your own ip instead..
12:01
zerocool, some people do.. but i'm not one of em..
12:02
<zerocool>
johnny, kool man. how about another?
12:02
<kc8pxy>
i've done it, IIRC
12:03
but i don't know much about it
12:03
<zerocool>
kc8pxy, alright when u did were the clients randomly disconnecting every 5 or 10 mins if they didn'
12:04
<johnny>
kc8pxy, done that ?
12:04
<zerocool>
t log in to the windoz server?
12:04
<johnny>
what i said that is
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, it'd be nice if i could force the choice of directory here :( so you didn't have to do this manually .. :(
12:05
<kc8pxy>
johnny: when all is done and stable, i plan to have many and several options in the pxelinux.cfg, will that hinder things?
12:06
<johnny>
i don't know
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<zerocool>
like before the username and pw are enter you get the windoz login screen but if you don't enter the login info then windoz disconnects the client. the local rdesktop process then reconnects to the server.
12:06
<Gadi>
zerocool: that is a built-in Windows "feature"
12:06
<johnny>
kc8pxy, since you manually maintain it, that is up to you i guess
12:06
<Gadi>
if you want to mitigate its annoyance, put a while loop in the /usr/local/bin/rdesktop file we made yesterday
12:07
<johnny>
kc8pxy, so.. tell me when you get all that done
12:07
<Gadi>
that will respawn rdesktop within X (and not respawn the xserver)
12:07
<zerocool>
Gabi, ok kool. I'll check that. But the ltsp client does reconnect but it just looks stupid that the sreen blanks out then comes back.
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12:08* kc8pxy wishes he had set a logger on this channel :-(
12:08
<johnny>
there is a logger
12:08
<zerocool>
i get it. i'll try that.
12:08
<Gadi>
zerocool: the rdesktop screen script doesn't get much loving around here
12:08
<zerocool>
Gadi, tks.
12:09
<Gadi>
that will change with the next release
12:09
:)
12:10
<johnny>
kc8pxy, ???
12:11
<kc8pxy>
johnny: I'm watching the kids too, so I'm working a bit slow
12:11
<johnny>
you're the one with the deadline :)
12:11
lol
12:11
<kc8pxy>
true :)
12:12
<johnny>
i'm tryin to help you get it goin
12:12
but i may not be able to stay in and out
12:12
i'll prolly be gone by 3 for a little while.. but i'll be back in the evening EST
12:12
3 EST that is..
12:15
kc8pxy, after that.. you need to ln -s pxelinux.0 into ltsp/x86
12:15
you can find the path via equery or whatever
12:16
and copy your kernel and initramfs into ltsp/x86
12:16
you are going to have to do one nasty hack until genkernel gets a bug fix
12:17
chroot into the ltsp chroot like so linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/x86 and then edit /usr/share/genkernel/x86/modules_load and add your various network modules to MODULES_NET
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<johnny>
and you can remove all the other lines you don't need
12:17
and then genkernel initrd and copy that into the ltsp/x86
12:17
and you should be good to boot
12:17
ooh.. you also have to add to dhcpd config , there should be an example config file for that in the docs
12:17* vagrantc has been busy re-writing the localapps group handling code ...
12:17
<vagrantc>
the old code did some evil things
12:18
<Gadi>
thems fightin words
12:18
<vagrantc>
heh
12:18
<Lns>
zerocool: What, did your mommy buy you a 'puter for Christmas? ;)
12:19* Lns needs to watch Hackers again
12:19
<kc8pxy>
lns: LOL...
12:19* Gadi thought he was the only one allowed to talk trash
12:20
<kc8pxy>
Lns: IIRC Lord Nikon said that, yes?
12:20
<vagrantc>
well, it seems like the old code more or less assumed that it was ok to re-number existing groups on the client ... this re-write basically only adds groups if they don't already exist on the client, and adds the user to existing groups as needed
12:20
<Lns>
kc8pxy: yes, yes he did!
12:20
<vagrantc>
and handles gid discrepancies ...
12:21
<Lns>
Gadi: sorry, i forgot I didnt have the trash talking token :(
12:22
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "localapps patch to minimize tweaking /etc/groups" (89 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/166
12:23
<vagrantc>
now i'll also tackle re-writing the user's default group if needed
12:23
<kc8pxy>
johnny: got the those lines i think.
12:25* vagrantc feels dirty, mangling /etc/groups and /etc/password so much
12:27* ogra hands a box of detergent to vagrantc
12:27
<kc8pxy>
johnny: into the tfpt ltsp/x86 dir?
12:27* vagrantc now feels poisoned
12:27
<ogra>
heh
12:27
<johnny>
kc8pxy, ?
12:27
yeah.. the one i had you create...
12:29
<kc8pxy>
ln -s /usr/share/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86/pxelinux.0 ??
12:29
look right?
12:29
<johnny>
no
12:30
oh yes
12:30
sorry
12:30
that's fine
12:30
<Gadi>
vagrantc: why not continue to use usermod?
12:30
<vagrantc>
presuming your tftpd daemon doesn't mind symlinks
12:30
Gadi: so i don't have to have /etc/ writeable
12:31
<Gadi>
you still need to cp $TMPGROUP /etc/group
12:31
<vagrantc>
Gadi: yes.
12:31
Gadi: it does
12:31
<Gadi>
doesnt that require writable /etc?
12:31
<vagrantc>
writeable /etc/group, yes.
12:32
not writeable /etc
12:32
<Gadi>
does usermod create a tmp file in /etc?
12:32
<vagrantc>
yes
12:33
<Gadi>
are you sure?
12:33
<johnny>
fighting writable /etc seems like a bad battle :(
12:33
<vagrantc>
or soemthing like that
12:33
<Gadi>
I thought it edits /etc/group directly
12:33
<johnny>
lots of fragile hacks
12:33
<vagrantc>
Gadi: there's one check i haven't done yet, making /etc/group- writeable
12:33
Gadi: it edits it directly, but it tries to create a lockfile, and i believe that lockfile is beside /etc/group
12:34
<Gadi>
ah
12:34
Im with johnny, Id rather use tools as much as possible
12:34
<vagrantc>
i agree, but i don't want to require a writeable /etc
12:34
<Gadi>
rather than sed'ing the file
12:35
<johnny>
i think it would be better time spent on making writable /etc easier
12:35
is it that debian does not come with aufs or unionfs built in?
12:35
there's always funionfs ..
12:35
or whatever
12:35
<Lns>
funionfs? 8)
12:35
<vagrantc>
no, those exist.
12:35
<kc8pxy>
johnny: where did genkernel put my kernel/initrd?
12:36
<johnny>
in /boot in the chroot
12:36
<kc8pxy>
and what is this hack?
12:36* kc8pxy avoids genkernel like the plague.
12:36
<johnny>
the hack is that genkernel does not have many network modules built in
12:36
kc8pxy, that would be silly.. genkernel is great..
12:36
building lvm enabled intramfs would suck
12:36
by hand
12:36
<vagrantc>
johnny: aufs exists in debian, and works with NBD ... haven't tried with NFS recently. i really don't want to force NBD.
12:37
<johnny>
well.. don't force nbd
12:37
for aufs
12:37
force aufs*
12:37
aufs should work fine with nfs
12:37
<kc8pxy>
johnny: mebbe in curren rev, but i had ugliness in it's infancy. i got in the habit of compiling it manually.
12:37
<vagrantc>
historically unionfs-style filesystems haven't played nice with NFS
12:37
<johnny>
sure.. but i thought that was the point of the aufs version in the first place
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12:37
<johnny>
over unionfs
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12:38
<vagrantc>
johnny: it brings us back to your fragility argument... i've seen it unionfs+nfs stuff break, get fixed, get broken again, get fixed ... over and over again
12:38
<johnny>
kc8pxy, genkernel is unnecessary if you don't use an initramfs of course.. but building one by hand would suck
12:38
vagrantc, seems on ubuntu it has been fine for a year?
12:38
is that not the case/
12:38
?
12:38
<vagrantc>
johnny: they're not using NFS
12:38
<johnny>
people still use it with nfs
12:39
even if it isn't distributed that way by default
12:39
<vagrantc>
maybe it has finally stabalized.
12:39
<johnny>
ogra would know
12:39
or laga maybe
12:39
<ogra>
?
12:39
what do i know ?
12:39
<kc8pxy>
johnny: i believe i agree.. but the only time i use an initramfs is when I'm setting up a bottsplash, or when i cp /mnt/cdrom/isolinux/gentoo* /mnr/gentoo/boot/ :)
12:39
<ogra>
i know nothing
12:40
<vagrantc>
ogra happily abandoned NFS a long time ago, no? :)
12:40
<johnny>
sure, but the docs still tell you how to enable nfs for testing and developing
12:40
i myself tried it, didn't have a problem.. but that was before aufs
12:41
and laga was the one who spearheaded that effort ?
12:41
<vagrantc>
i think those instructions switch it back to bind mounting
12:41
<ogra>
yes, i did
12:41
<kc8pxy>
johnny: where is the bzImage and initrd?
12:41
<johnny>
vagrantc, maybe it's only a mythbuntu thing then
12:41
kc8pxy, i just told you ?
12:42
/opt/ltsp/x86/boot
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<vagrantc>
ok, so i'll re-write my patch to assume a writeable /etc
12:43
<Gadi>
ah, peer pressure on the playground
12:43
its a beautiful thing
12:43
<johnny>
of course.. that generates work for me.. as i currently rely on bind mounts too :)
12:44
cuz it just worked with the setup
12:44
<vagrantc>
but i'll continue to work on my crazy patches too :P
12:44
<Gadi>
of course you will
12:44
<vagrantc>
johnny: i bet you had similar problems to what caused me to look into this
12:44
<Gadi>
(isnt he just precious)
12:44
:)
12:44
<johnny>
vagrantc, i had it with /etc/ld.so.cache
12:44
<vagrantc>
johnny: gid discrepancies, localapps user in the wrong groups
12:44
<johnny>
for the gentoo env-update command
12:44
that requires writable /etc
12:45
so the plan is to use aufs or funionfs .. no matter how much work it takes
12:45
too many commands to hack
12:45
to continue fighting the flow
12:46
that is my argument anyways...
12:46
we can't have hacked versions of everything people want to use
12:49
<vagrantc>
Gadi: ok, so what's the tool to add a group that's distro-independent?
12:49
the previous code relied on simply appending it to groups... but i want to use *tools* to do this. :)
12:50
<Gadi>
groupadd
12:50
<vagrantc>
you sure it works consistantly across distros?
12:50
<Gadi>
if we can use usermod, we can use groupadd
12:51
<johnny>
any tool that is in util-linux or coreutils should exist across distros
12:51
util-linux-ng ..
12:51
<vagrantc>
i remember useradd and adduser being very different between debian and redhat-derived systems
12:51
<johnny>
useradd and adduser are different tools
12:52
useradd is in one of those
12:52
adduser isn't
12:52
<Gadi>
right - but useradd and useradd should be equivalent
12:52
;)
12:52
<johnny>
i don't think i even have adduser
12:52
<vagrantc>
groupadd [-g GID [-o]] [-f] [-K KEY=VALUE] group
12:52
<johnny>
oh.. i do..
12:52
<Gadi>
but, why are you adding groups anyway?
12:53
you should never add groups
12:53
<vagrantc>
Gadi: because i'm only adding groups to the thin client that the user is part of
12:53
<Gadi>
be careful, tho
12:53
your script should:
12:53
<ogra>
how do you make sure the GID matches ?
12:53
<vagrantc>
well, we certainly haven't been careful yet.
12:53
all sorts of issues with the current code.
12:54
well, having a matching gid is actually a security issue ... i.e. if a daemon already started with one gid, and suddenly that gid is taken over by some other group, you have problems.
12:54
<Gadi>
1. when server groups and client groups have same name and different ids and are system groups, use client group entries and throw awway server
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<Gadi>
2. when a server group has a gid that is the same as a client group, and it is a system group, dump it
12:55
(no sense in changing gids of server groups)
12:56
you should never change gids
12:56
in this code
12:56
<vagrantc>
then i end up without a group name
12:56
<Gadi>
how?
12:57
<vagrantc>
if 2 kicks in, and there's no corresponding group on the client?
12:58
<Gadi>
it should have a group of that name, just a different ID
12:58
lets do an example
12:58
so this isnt so confusing
12:58
:)
12:58
server: pulse=110, fuse=111
12:59
client: fuse=110, pulse=200
12:59
user is member of fuse and pulse
12:59
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's no problem.
12:59
what about...
12:59
<Gadi>
but pulse and fuse have same gid
13:00
but, we want the user to be a member of the client's groups with the client's gids
13:00
<vagrantc>
server: fuse=111, pulse doesn't exist client: pulse=111, fuse=200
13:00
<Gadi>
ok, well then the user is only a member of fuse
13:00
(cannot belong to pulse, as pulse doesnt exist)
13:01
so, we want:
13:01
<vagrantc>
so we throw out groups that aren't on the client ...
13:01
<Gadi>
user on client is member of fuse (200)
13:02
no, the user never belonged to pulse, so we just dont add him to pulse
13:02
when we modify what groups the user belongs to, we use usermod
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<Gadi>
so: usermod -G fuse $user
13:02
<vagrantc>
right.
13:02
usermod handles missing groups?
13:02
<Gadi>
the key is, fuse should be 200
13:02
myGroups does
13:03
because myGroups is all the groups that the user belongs to on the server
13:03
<vagrantc>
presuming i didn't break that
13:03
<Gadi>
we just need to make sure the groups on the client all have the client-side gids
13:03
<vagrantc>
right
13:03
<Gadi>
and not server gids
13:03
when groupsnames overlap
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<Gadi>
the only thing missing from current code is to throw out groups that have conflicting gids
13:04
<vagrantc>
so, the simplest way i see to do that is ... get the user's server-side groups, append any missing groups on the client.
13:04
<Gadi>
which is what tripped you up
13:04
because you had:
13:04
fuse:x:111
13:04
pulse:x:111
13:05
so, we just need to throw away dup'd gids
13:05
<vagrantc>
i think it's easier to only add what you need, no?
13:06
<Gadi>
I think I wrote it that way, so I could just loop through one file
13:06
instead of having to check the contents of one file against another
13:06
so, append the lines to the end, and then throw them out
13:07
<Lns>
you guys are AWESOME
13:07
just wanted to say that.
13:07
<Gadi>
if you start with the current code, it would just mean for each line storing a "gids" list along with the "gnames" list
13:07
<vagrantc>
what i'm thinking ... since the only groups we care about are the groups the user should belong to ... we ignore missing groups?
13:07
<Gadi>
and throwing out the dups
13:07
<vagrantc>
forget about dupes ... let's just not duplicate it
13:07
add what you need, and only what you need
13:07
<Gadi>
what if you add a group that conflicts
13:08
<vagrantc>
conflicts how?
13:08
<Gadi>
ok, say the current groups list has:
13:08
fuse:x:111
13:08
pulse:x:112
13:08
myGroups tells you the user belongs to the fuse group
13:09
you want to check the groups file and see if it has the fuse group, then if it does, move on and if it doesnt add it in
13:09
or conversely
13:10
its just more complicated
13:10
too many checks
13:10
too many loops
13:10
<vagrantc>
i think it's complicated to handle dupes
13:11* vagrantc will write another patch
13:11
<Gadi>
I can fix ur problem with one or two lines on the current code
13:12
and it will only go through the group file once
13:12
<vagrantc>
i think it's ugly to assume that all the server-side groups belong on the client
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13:13* Gadi goes to patch current code for vagrantc
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<Gadi>
:)
13:17
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "Done" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/167
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "Typo" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/168
13:19
<Gadi>
:)
13:20
shall I commit it?
13:20
damn pastebot
13:21
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "Stupid pastebot" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/169
13:22
"vagrantc" pasted "only add user to client groups that are present" (58 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/170
13:24
<Gadi>
uh... you seem to be missing the part where you add groups
13:24
:)
13:24
<vagrantc>
that's intentional
13:25
<Gadi>
how is your user going to be a member of the "Domain Users" group?
13:25
<johnny>
why overcomplicate this to save a few lines of text.. i don't think it is that big of a deal to use have what the server has..
13:25
<vagrantc>
why bother adding them?
13:25
johnny: the result is my localapps don't have access to fuse
13:25
<Gadi>
all of those files in his home directory that belong to his workgroup will not have proper ownership
13:26
johnny: thats not the goal here
13:26
<vagrantc>
does sshfs use numeric gids?
13:26
<Gadi>
vagrantc: its the same system as any *nix
13:27
but, you need to preserve non-system groups
13:27
<vagrantc>
ah, right.
13:27
<Gadi>
:)
13:27
thats why we bother getting the groups from the server to begin with
13:27
<vagrantc>
so if you have gid discrepancies, there's no proper way to handle it
13:28
<Gadi>
well, we should prefer local ids to server ids
13:28
I suppose we could simply edit /etc/nsswitch.conf
13:28
and just concat the two
13:29
but, that seems less clean
13:29
and prolly wont have the desired result
13:29
actually, yeah, that wont work
13:29
<vagrantc>
Gadi: yeah, prefer local ids ... occasionally you'll have a file that seems to have the wrong gid...
13:29
<Gadi>
the code I pasted should do the job
13:29
:)
13:29
<vagrantc>
testing now
13:29
<Gadi>
make sure you go the last paste
13:29
:)
13:29
I was fighting with pastebot
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: alas, it doesn't work.
13:31
<Gadi>
what?
13:31
no way
13:31
impossible
13:31
dont believe it
13:31
howd you break it?
13:31
:)
13:31
<vagrantc>
user is in 3 groups on the server, and 1 group on the thin client
13:33
<Gadi>
ok, which groups?
13:33
<vagrantc>
ah, gid on client same as user's default group.
13:34
<ogra>
ouch
13:35
<vagrantc>
i have, of course, been trying to test all the bizzare weirdnesses.
13:35
:)
13:35
i'll try and test the more common cases, and see how it handles.
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<vagrantc>
pulse not on server, fuse 106 on server, pulse 106 on client, fuse 107 on client
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<vagrantc>
handled that just fine.
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: go ahead and commit that, i'd say
13:38
<Gadi>
cool
13:39
<vagrantc>
but there are some hopefully unusual corner cases it doesn't handle.
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<vagrantc>
we do pretty much assume the user's default group has the same gid on the server and client
13:40
<Gadi>
well, we also tend to assume that each user is in his/her own group
13:40
(for localdev stuff)
13:40
<vagrantc>
right
13:40
<johnny>
which is not true on opensuse..
13:40
<ogra>
which is not true on al distros
13:40
<johnny>
or gentoo for that matter
13:40
<vagrantc>
we make lots of assumptions in general :)
13:40
<johnny>
gentoo has no fuse group
13:40
neither does opensuse
13:40
<Gadi>
you know what happens when you assume...
13:41
<ogra>
you make fast progress :)
13:42
<Lns>
maybe we should just fork from all distros and make an LTSP-OS =p
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<johnny>
lol
13:44
<vagrantc>
Lns: LTSP 4.x ?
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<Lns>
umm, well is that not affected by the gid prob?
13:45
<kc8pxy>
cp /opt/ltsp/x86/boot/*x86-2.6.27-gentoo-r7 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86/
13:46
now the hack is?
13:46
<johnny>
i told you already
13:47
?
13:47
the hack is fixing the initramfs to include the network modules
13:48
so you have to edit /usr/share/genkernel/x86/modules_load in the chroot
13:48
and add the modules you need to MODULES_NET
13:48
and you can go ahead and remove the other modules you don't need
13:48
to make it start up faster
13:51
<kc8pxy>
and when i edit that file, that fixes it? or i need to run int through genkernel again?
13:51
and that's int eh chroot?
13:54
I'm sorry to come across as a dunce to this, but this is my first ltsp install, and i don't fully understand how and why all the peices work, on in the case of the gentoo package, ALMOST work, OOB.
13:55
i guess I'm spoiled tht most of the gnetoo ebuilds i use, either don't exist, or work 90%+ oob., with a few configurations needed sometimes.
13:57
<johnny>
kc8pxy, read up
13:57
i told you that you had to run genkernel initrd
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13:57
<johnny>
ater editing that file
13:57
and yes i told you that it was in the chroot
13:57
<warren>
pscheie: ping
13:57
<johnny>
kc8pxy, is it too much to ask that you read up? :(
13:58
<warren>
pscheie: we have to respin the k12linux f10 media for a new system-config-network and slight change in the quick start guide.
13:58
<rjune>
warren, who was doing the local app whitelist stuff?
13:58
<pscheie>
warren, pong
13:59
warren, what needs to change?
13:59
<warren>
rjune: me mainly, what's up?
13:59
pscheie: Verify that "Controlled by NetworkManager" is unchecked. Then click the OK button.
13:59
<rjune>
somebode was asking about it the other day, I knew you were doing it, but I thought somebody else was helping a bit
14:00
<warren>
pscheie: Uncheck "Controlled by NetworkManager", then click the OK button.
14:00
<pscheie>
warren, ok
14:00
<warren>
pscheie: the new version pushed January 7th is default to checked, the combination of that new version plus this doc change eliminates a failure case.
14:01
pscheie: actually, I'll handle updating hte package, I wanted to import it into a bzr tree anyway.
14:01
pscheie: I need to get this done in a few hours to get the spin ready for release before tomorrow's FUDCon talk
14:02
<pscheie>
ok, so do I just need to fix it upstream?
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: only half of what you have said to me is lit up, (through named higlighting) and sorting through the unhillighted stuff, i'm not always sure i got it all.
14:05
<johnny>
so.. what do you need to know now?
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<warren>
pscheie: well yes, but I'm going to create an "upstream" bzr repo for this right now.
14:07
<pscheie>
warren, oh, ok
14:07
so...what, if anything, do you want me to do over the next 24 hours?
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<kc8pxy>
i copied the pxe.0 file, and the kernel. i need to edit the modules_load and genkernel initrd , then copy the new initrd. is dhcp config the last step??
14:08
<johnny>
kc8pxy, pretty sure yes
14:09
<warren>
pscheie: only test the next image I push
14:09
which could be in an hour or two
14:11
pscheie: what is your fedora account name again?
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: sorry to bug.. i simply need thigns to work, and this is the most trouble i've had getting a layman program to work.
14:12
<pscheie>
warren, peterscheie
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<warren>
pscheie: adding you to a bzr group so you have access to changing stuff here.
14:13
there
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, you're using the wrong program then.. ltsp is complicated
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<johnny>
and due to bugs in the required programs.. life is more difficult still
14:13
<warren>
pscheie: oh, you're already there.
14:14
<johnny>
kc8pxy, you haven't really had all that many problems so far anyways :)
14:14
the genkernel initrd thing is the most annoying thing to deal with in the whole setup
14:15
i'd like to convice them to start afresh with the initramfs and use something else instead
14:15
<pscheie>
warren, how'd that happen?
14:15
<warren>
pscheie: btw, did you modify the .ks files for f9 livecd any?"
14:15
pscheie: I must have added you earlier.
14:15
<johnny>
like initramfs-tools or whatever that new tool that was proposed by the fedora developer
14:15
<pscheie>
warren, I don't think I modified them
14:16* pscheie scratches head because he's been twiddling with kickstart files at work all week
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<pscheie>
(not ltsp-related .ks files)
14:16
<warren>
nod
14:17
pscheie: ok, I'm removing the livecd kickstart files from ltsp-server and making a bzr repo dedicated to it.
14:17
<pscheie>
warren, what's the advantage of a bzr repo over cvs?
14:17
<johnny>
lol
14:17
cvs is terrible..
14:17
<warren>
yeah, what johnny said.
14:18
<johnny>
i wonder when fedora will switch from cvs.. do you know anything about that warren?
14:18
<warren>
pscheie: we already use bzr for everything else ltsp related, so might as well use all the same tool
14:18
<pscheie>
you'll have to do better than that
14:18
<warren>
johnny: fedora will not switch away from cvs only to have a better tool, there will be a complete redesign of how sources are handled
14:18
<pscheie>
warren, there is that, of course, but how does the work with fedora which is still cvs based?
14:19
<warren>
johnny: it will have to take into account quilt-like functionality, making it easy to keep patches isolated from each other and promote pushing patches back upstream.
14:19
<johnny>
warren, perhaps in a similiar fashion to what ubuntu will do with bzr?
14:19
<evilx>
question let say you have your xsession as default with no .xsession where would it read the config files for xfce?
14:19
<johnny>
being that they will likely get there first..
14:19
<pscheie>
johnny, why is cvs 'terrible'? What's terrible about it?
14:19
<warren>
pscheie: you use (whatever tool) to generate the tarball which you upload into fedora /cvs/pkgs
14:19
pscheie: it is just a way to track and generate the tarball that you currently build manually
14:19
<johnny>
pscheie, it doesn't track renames very well, poor binary support, requires a centralized server
14:20
.cvs directories in every directory
14:20
<warren>
johnny: will do? there are plans?
14:20
<johnny>
can't have local history
14:20
<warren>
johnny: Ubuntu's status quo is "if everyone only used us as upstream, we wont have a problem of pushing things to upstream"
14:21
<johnny>
warren, not really...
14:21
warren, they are switching away from src debs.. or so ogra says
14:21
and putting it all in bzr
14:21
<ogra>
already happened
14:21
<johnny>
there we go
14:21
<ogra>
http://package-import.ubuntu.com/
14:21
<johnny>
warren, until you clean your own house, stop yelling at ubuntu
14:22
<warren>
ogra: why is it called package-impot?
14:22
<johnny>
you are not on the high horse yet
14:22
<warren>
johnny: what are you talking about specifically? (is this about davidz?)
14:22
<ogra>
warren, because it imports from debian atm
14:22
<johnny>
sure, among others
14:22
warren, it's not about davidz, but a culture that lets him continue doing what he is doing
14:22
<pscheie>
ogra, where in Deutschland are you?
14:23
<warren>
johnny: who are the others? Could you please document these cases where we're sucking? Our leadership takes this criticism seriously, but people have to calmly write it down.
14:23
<ogra>
warren, at some point there will be parallel upstream branches and you can just merge back and forth
14:23
<evilx>
this is driving me nuts, I cant figure out where xfce pulls it data from for default, so i dont need to set this xsession for every user on the ltsp
14:23
<johnny>
warren, you're the one who told me that others in that dept were bad, you didn't name names :)
14:23
<warren>
johnny: ok, could you please write down the entire story?
14:23
<ogra>
pscheie, in the middle ... city is called Kassel
14:23
<johnny>
so i can't name them back to you :)
14:23
<warren>
johnny: I'm now in a position to effect change...
14:23
<johnny>
oh really..
14:23
<warren>
but I don't know the full story
14:23
<johnny>
ok.. i'll see what i can do :)
14:23
<warren>
If this bad behavior continues today, especially, then it needs to be documented.
14:23
<pscheie>
ogra, my family wants to go to Germany this summer; I may stop by & say hello
14:24
<ogra>
feel free, but tell me in advance :)
14:24
<pscheie>
ogra, I just did ;-)
14:24
<ogra>
where do you plan to go ? north or south ?
14:24* ogra would suggest seeing berlin
14:24
<pscheie>
coming from Denmark, heading to the south & Austria
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<johnny>
warren, on it :)
14:25
<ogra>
ah well, then you visit bavaria, not germany :)
14:25
<pscheie>
but we'll probably fly out of Frankfurt
14:26
<warren>
johnny: it helps if the language sticks to the facts, and rather than sound accusatory, talk about how it is problematic for others to use, provide feedback and contribute back.
14:26
<ogra>
well, thats about 200km from here
14:26
<johnny>
warren, yes.. i understand
14:26
<pscheie>
which way?
14:26
<warren>
(aren't there two frankfurts?)
14:26
<ogra>
yep
14:26
but only one with an airport :)
14:26
<warren>
heh
14:26
<pscheie>
ah, just found Kassel on the map
14:26
<ogra>
the other is half polish
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<rjune>
ogra, howdy
14:46
<ogra>
he rjune
14:47
*hey even
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<rjune>
I'm starting to think I won't be hearing back from Rick.
14:49
though I do need to get my package built for ubuntu
14:49
so that'll be happy, and a good start to learning debs.
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<sbalneav>
3
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<zerocool>
Gadi, u there?
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<vagrantc>
zerocool: doesn't appear to be.
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<zerocool>
so it looks. i'll check back later.
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<evilx>
hmm i switched to xfce and firefox is still slow on being responsibe
16:02
responsive
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ive tried that other browse epiphany but it doesnt seems to like support all of ajax
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<johnny>
evilx, not too many extensions ?
16:05
or do you have compiz or anything like that?
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<evilx>
no compwiz or extensions
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<Lns>
evilx: what is exactly being unresponsive? can you give more detail?
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<warren>
vagrantc: sbalneav: how do people feel about the current *-trunk?
16:19
hmm
16:19
nevermind, I'll wait
16:19
the version i'm using seems good
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<vagrantc>
warren: i was considering tagging ltsp-trunk today...
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<warren>
spinning perhaps the final release ISO's now
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<vagrantc>
i'll probably just make a debian-specific patch to handle non-writeable /etc
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<warren>
I wont be consuming upstream again until post-release
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<evilx>
Lns, like when a combo box is selected it takes like 10-15s to show up
16:38
combo or dropdown box whatever you wish to calli t
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<Lns>
evilx: java?
16:38
<evilx>
no
16:39
it html
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<Lns>
hrm
16:39
never heard of that outside of a java applet
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<evilx>
looks like I have more stuff to kill from running, Thunar,gam_server,update notifier,gnome power manager,trackerd, gnome=-screen-server
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<johnny>
trackerd is the only thing that might hurt you
16:45
killing gam_server is bad
16:45
that means you won't see updates of files
16:45
until you refresh the view
16:45
like.. if you had a file browser window open
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and then you saved a file into it.. you would not know
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<evilx>
basically all I need these thin clients to run is thunderbird,firefox,abiword,openoffice
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<johnny>
until you manually refreshed it
16:46
that is not the case
16:46
those applications like having things like gam_server
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<evilx>
hm ok
16:46
<johnny>
you should not kill what you dont understand
16:46
find out what something does first
16:46
your problems are probably elsewhere
16:46
<evilx>
true
16:47
<johnny>
like with your video drivers
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<evilx>
it seems x has changed since last time i have used it
16:47
<johnny>
or poor network
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<evilx>
wel thunar isnt important
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<johnny>
i bet it respawns..
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and you will not be able to stop it
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<evilx>
probably
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<warren>
pscheie: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f10/rc2/ Respun K12Linux F10 images. I really need help testing this quick. Gotta release before FUDCon tomorrow.
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<warren>
pscheie: let's not mention LiveDVD at all anymore
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<warren>
pscheie: modern machines capable of running a livecd can all USB boot
20:55
pscheie: and USB is a better idea for almost everyone
20:55
pscheie: simpler docs this way.
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<vagrantc>
planning on tagging ltsp-trunk shortly...
21:43
<stgraber>
ok, may be interested to have this one too, just let me have a look at the changes
21:43
<vagrantc>
stgraber: hopefully my switch to using id instead of groups won't break your pam_groups workaround
21:44
<stgraber>
I hope so, let me have a look
21:45
vagrantc: both seems to behave the same way
21:45
<vagrantc>
good good!
21:46
<stgraber>
Did gadi make sure that it doesn't break Windows group names too ?
21:46
(things like Domain Admins)
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<vagrantc>
don't know, but i didn't change the part of the code that supports that much at all
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<stgraber>
ok, other than that Windows thing (I spend all Monday morning debuging that with Gadi), everything looks good so just go tagging.
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: one of these days, i'd like to simplif debian/rules a bit by switching to debhelper 7 ... another item on the TODO list for syncing...
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22:05* Ryan52 <3 dh7 :)
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<rjune_>
stgraber: you're a debian guy, right?
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<johnny>
ubuntu..
22:17
he's our goto guy with ogra bein so busy
22:17
<rjune_>
heh
22:17
I thought ogra was beating on arm stuff mostly
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<johnny>
yes.. being busy :)
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<vagrantc>
there's always one more thing with an upload... *sigh*
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: sounds good, I like the idea of simplifying debian/rules
22:41* vagrantc puts off debhelper 7 for another day
22:41
<stgraber>
rjune_: yeah, I'm doing the LTSP work in Ubuntu now, I'm still waiting to get main upload rights though so my uploads are sponsored by ogra or other core devs
22:42
<rjune_>
stgraber: I just wanted to confirm some DHCP things in debian
22:42
config file is /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, initscript is /etc/dhcp3/dhcp-server
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<vagrantc>
init script is /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
22:43
<stgraber>
vagrantc: btw, what package is ltsp-localapps in in Debian ? I had some issue with application server not having ltsp-server (only ldminfod installed) and was wonderding if you've put it in ldminfod instead of ltsp-server in Debian
22:44
*wondering
22:44
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i haven't split out ldminfod from ltsp-server yet. will do post-lenny
22:45
i don't want experimental to get stuck in new
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<stgraber>
hmmm, ok. How did you do that ? as ldminfod was moved from ltsp-trunk to ldm-trunk ? (so changing to the other source package)
22:46
<vagrantc>
it's ironic. i've been begging to split out ldminfod for ages, and now that others have done it, the timing isn't right for me :)
22:46
stgraber: copy of ldminfod in debian/ dir
22:46
<stgraber>
ok
22:47
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i'd rather name the package ldm-server, so it makes sense to have other ldm server related dependencies and such, though.
22:47
and other scripts and such, if they come along
22:48
<stgraber>
right and it looks better than my ugly ldminfod binary package :) I'll just sync that change when you do it
22:49
(and do the paperwork to get a package out and another through the NEW queue :))
22:49* stgraber should check if we have a paperwork-less way of renaming packages
22:54* vagrantc can't imagine ubuntu using actual *paper* :)
22:54
<vagrantc>
paperless paperwork?
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<stgraber>
yeah, it's called wikipages and bug reports :)
22:58
<vagrantc>
tagged 5.1.47, uploading 5.1.47-1 to debian experimental
23:00
taking forever to push ltsp-trunk
23:03
stgraber: tarball should be at http://incoming.debian.org/ for the next 2-3 hours ... and then hit debian experimental
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: ok, will download it.
23:09
<vagrantc>
maybe sunday i'll tag and upload ldm
23:12
<Ryan52>
vagrantc, might be better to tag it sooner...I'm gonna try to do #509877 this weekend, which includes pretty invasive changes to gtkgreet.
23:14
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: debian bts?
23:14* Ryan52 nods
23:15
<Ryan52>
kinda scary changes, actually...
23:15
<vagrantc>
ah, yes. "faces" support
23:16
well, my last test packages worked fine, so i guess i'll just tag ldm then
23:16
<Ryan52>
what else was on my ltsp todo list? somethin screwy with password expiry that I was gonna look at, Gadi asked for a bunch of ldm-dialog stuff, anything else?
23:17
<vagrantc>
ok, it shouldn't be too hard. i'll just do another ldm upload tonight, too. :)
23:19
<Ryan52>
why can't you tag tonight and upload whenever you feel like? 0.o
23:19
<vagrantc>
because i think i can pull it off before the next incoming processing :)
23:20
<Ryan52>
heh
23:46
<vagrantc>
tagged and pushing ldm 2.0.28 ...
23:53
and uploading ldm 2.0.28-1 to debian experimental...
23:54
Ryan52: might be good to work on debian #509877 in a separate branch and merge it when it's working reasonably well, in any case
23:55
<Ryan52>
what do you mean by separate branch?
23:56
it already is (on my local branch) ;)