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Channel log from 21 July 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<xBowser>
Hey ppl.
02:38
Is there a way to "forward" mounts from a server to the clients? Like having the real homes, /media/..., /mnt/ etc. available on my client also.
02:38
<vagrantc>
with localapps support, home is already mounted locally through sshfs
02:38
you could probably have similar hooks to mount whatever you wanted.
02:43
<xBowser>
Hmm, my home wasn't mounted corretely.
02:43
Maybe because /home already is a NFS mount.
02:46
<vagrantc>
!release
02:46
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
02:46
<vagrantc>
xBowser: ^^
02:48
<xBowser>
Oh, sorry. :) Debian Lenny with LTSP from testing 5.1.76 that should be.
02:49
Oh, sorry, I got ltsp-server 5.1.73
02:50
<ogra>
is your home constantly mounted or by pam_mount at login ?
02:50
could be a race
02:52
<xBowser>
pam_mount? I don't know about that, I just edited my fstab.
02:53
<ogra>
so its permanently mounted on the server
02:56
<xBowser>
yes
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02:59
<xBowser>
I currently managed to run nfs locally for home and my other mounts but this also is a dirty solution
03:01
And there is also the problem of users that want to save email attachements (icedove runs locally) on usb sticks.
03:10
<vagrantc>
xBowser: for the latter, you need to install ltspfs in the chroot:
03:10
xBowser: ltsp-chroot apt-get install ltspfs
03:10
xBowser: oh, *and* switch to nbd+aufs
03:10
xBowser: which is a touch tricky, but not undoable.
03:11
<ogra>
debian has aufs ?
03:11* ogra wonders why it took us so much to get it back in if debian has usable sources
03:12
<vagrantc>
ogra: it still has it in debian/testing ... not sure about sid
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03:12
<vagrantc>
and in debian/stable lenny
03:12
<ogra>
well, you probably have an older kernel
03:12
it doesny apply to .30 and above
03:12
*doesnt
03:12
<vagrantc>
2.6.26 ... 2.6.30 in sid, i think ... not sure of the aufs support there
03:12
ogra: y'all switched to unionfs-fuse or some such?
03:13
<ogra>
yeah, upstream refused to keep the hooks in the kernel to support it
03:13
only temporary
03:13
stgraber's next upload will switch back to aufs
03:13
unionfs-fuse is awfully slow
03:14
our kernel team hacked up aufs to work with .31 again, took them a few weeks of work
03:14
<vagrantc>
i've been attempting to move towards NBD+somethingorother for debian's ltsp lately
03:14
<ogra>
well, without a union filesystem you are screwed
03:14
you could go fedoras way though
03:15
abusing device mapper
03:15
<vagrantc>
no, bind-mounts still works with NBD+ext2
03:15
but the union layering is *nice*
03:15
<ogra>
well, you use the speed advantage if you use bind mounts
03:15
<vagrantc>
ogra: got some nice bugs fixed in nbd the last few days
03:15
<ogra>
cool
03:16
we should sync it :) tell stgraber
03:16
<vagrantc>
ogra: it's still way faster using NBD with bind mounts
03:16
<ogra>
yeah, i can imagine
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<ogra>
but you wont get 10sec boots with it :)
03:17
<vagrantc>
stgraber: there's been some nice improvements to nbd in debian/unstable... you might want to make a sync request
03:21
<xBowser>
So, will nbd+aufs work on lenny??
03:22
<vagrantc>
xBowser: yes
03:22
<xBowser>
on kernel 2.6.29-2?
03:22
<vagrantc>
lenny has 2.6.26
03:22
<xBowser>
I know but 26 is a pain as KVM client so I had to switch to 29
03:23
<vagrantc>
no idea, then, that's not lenny. :P
03:24
<xBowser>
Hmm, some things seem so simple and still they just suck. Same with nfs permissions. Its just a pain if you want 772 for ALL files.
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<davew>
I installed ltsp yesterday and have a problem with some of the clients is there anyone to chat to about this
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<VooDooNOFX>
Can anyone recommend some very cheap, but fairly good ltsp compatible hardware for a large office?
04:04
<davew>
Hi Ogra can you help ?
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04:06
<davew>
set up ltsp on SUSE 11.1 yesterday. I found that the Dell Optiplex GX280 machines work fine but I cannot connect using the Dimension 2400's
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<VooDooNOFX>
davew, why can't they connect? at which point do they error?
04:07
<ogra>
davew, i have no clue about kiwi ... suse goes their own way with ltsp integration, try #kiwi-ltsp rather
04:09
<davew>
Basically after the visual boot text apperas and I put in the username and password and the screen then goes onto a suse screen . I t hangs at the third blob if that makes sense
04:11
I would add that I can see two red comments at the bottom of the boot info but the screen changes to quickly to make them out
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<davew>
Hi VooDooNDFX - you still there/
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<VooDooNOFX>
unknown
04:19
try ogra's recommendation
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<VooDooNOFX>
Does LTSP cluster with multiple servers easily?
04:30
<vagrantc>
depends on what you mean by cluster ...
04:30
<VooDooNOFX>
Say we deploy it for 20 users, and decide later we need another server
04:31
Addind a second one to the network, and (hopefully) load balance between the two automatically
04:31
<vagrantc>
there's various options to have load-balancing or failover ... but it's mostly not specifically LTSP ... there is LTSP-cluster which handles some of that.
04:31
stgraber works on the ltsp-cluster stuff
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<VooDooNOFX>
cool, i'll start googling
04:41
<ogra>
ltsp-cluster should be fully integrated in ubuntu 9.10
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<highvoltage>
nubae: do you perhaps know which driver I should use for a geode LX display card on hardy?
05:19
<nubae>
highvoltage, hi there
05:23
highvoltage, I know this changed a lot, but hardy used the regular geode driver I thought
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<gekkos>
hi, small question, I know there is a command to check the loaded lts.conf configuration on a thin client. Anyone who ones it (i forgot it) txs
06:16
<ogra>
getltscfg -a
06:16
in a client console
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<gekkos>
super thanks
06:20
w75
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07:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
g'morning all
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<atomic007za>
hi
07:47
will a quad core proccessor be big enough to run a lab of 30 clients?
07:48
I have a dual core and if all are logged in then prccessor utility sits @ 90 % +-
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07:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
atomic007za: probably. To be honest, it's trying to shoot a moving target. You can always do well with more power though.
07:55
sbalneav: give me a shout when you get a moment
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07:56* alkisg tried putting "tee name=t ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink t. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink t." as the default video output in gstreamer-properties, and now totem plays in 2 windows at once! I'll try to automate this so that the teacher be able to broadcast video/DVDs etc in the whole classroom... :)
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08:04
<atomic007za>
Hi UsUrPeR
08:04
thanks
08:05
It is a pilot project for a scholl and I dont want to waste thier cash
08:06
And RAM, @ the moment I have 4 gigs, the clients when logged in are doing nothing and it is utilising 3 gigs, if they were to watch movie/clips would it suck more memory?
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08:09
<vagrantc>
well, most likely the 3 gigs figure isn't really *used*, much of it is probably disk cache
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08:13
<ogra>
use htop, it shows more userfriendly how much is actually used
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08:21
<highvoltage>
I wish htop could become the default. I guess there'd be too much resistance for changing in training materials, etc
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<rjune_wrk>
atomic007za: Genereally speaking LTSP servers do better with mroe cores.
08:34
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:34
_UsUrPeR_: Yyyyyyeeeeessss?
08:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: oh hi :)
08:36
I would LOVE to test out your PPA for sabayon. mind giving me some pointers?
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08:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: I have already added http://ppa.launchpad.net/sbalneav/ppa/ubuntu to my sources list, but after re-installation in 9.04, it still freezes when I try to edit a profile
08:38
<sbalneav>
ok, so that's 3 and 3 then for works/not works :)
08:38
Are you trying this from the console, or a thin client?
08:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
server
08:39
I try running sabayon from terminal as root
08:41
<sbalneav>
How, using gksu?
08:42
You should use the menu item from System->Administration (profile editor, I think it's called)
08:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: lemme give that a shot.
08:43
I didn't know it added itself to the menu :)
08:44
<sbalneav>
It's all fancy-like.
08:44
<alkisg>
sbalneav: do you think my locale (=greek) has anything to do with it not working? should I try with english locale?
08:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: not really seeing it in the menu
08:45
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: system > administration > user profile editor or something
08:45
<bieb>
_UsUrPeR_: its User Profile Editor
08:45
it is towards the bottom of my Administration list
08:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
aha
08:46
<bieb>
by the way sbalneav mine still crashes
08:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
still freezing on edit :/
08:46
<alkisg>
Heh all 3 of the crash-testers are here :)
08:46
<sbalneav>
OK.
08:47* _UsUrPeR_ is running the foremost in crashing technology
08:47
<sbalneav>
Do all of you have Desktop Effects (i.e. compiz) enabled?
08:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: I have an intel card on my mobo, and it's running software emulation because of the intel driver problem in 9.04
08:49
<bieb>
I dont think I do...
08:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
so: no, I can guarantee you there is no compiz :)
08:49
<rjune_wrk>
!s
08:49
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:50
<bieb>
where can I verify that? I dont think I set it when installing Ubuntu 9
08:50* alkisg doesn't have compiz enabled
08:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
bieb: System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects -- select the radio button for "none"
08:53
<bieb>
ok.. none was already set..
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08:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: is there any config files/ logs I can pastebin?
08:58
<sbalneav>
Just the sabayon.log file that should be in root's homedir.
08:58
I suspect it's a problem with xnest.
08:59
I can try switching to Xephyr, however, the issue with that is that Xephyr doesn't accept input events from the keyboard.
09:00
There may be some command line options for disabling some problematic plugins for xnest. Let me have a look.
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09:03
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "sabayon log for sbalneav" (51 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/447
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<ltsppbot>
"bieb" pasted "Sabayon error log" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/448
09:05
<sbalneav>
File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/sabayon/protosession.py", line 104, in is_display_free sock.connect (("127.0.0.1", 6000 + display_number))
09:06
bieb: Your's doesn't give any clues at all.
09:06
<bieb>
I know
09:06
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: Hm
09:06
You use gnome for login?
09:06
<bieb>
is there anything else I can try to generate more info>?
09:06
<alkisg>
http://pastebin.com/f5cae4946
09:07
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneavyon
09:07
<sbalneav>
ok
09:07
looks like it's having trouble connecting. It's trying a socket connect.
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09:07
<sbalneav>
lets do this
09:08
System->Administration->Login Window
09:08
Click on "Security" Tab
09:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
09:08
<sbalneav>
Make sure "Deny TCP connections to X server" is unchecked.
09:09
Save
09:09
<alkisg>
Does this require an X restart?
09:09
<sbalneav>
Yep.
09:09
<alkisg>
Ouch :(
09:09
<sbalneav>
log out
09:09
ctl-alt-f1
09:09
login as root
09:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: already checked on mine
09:09
<sbalneav>
invoke-rc.d gdm restart
09:09
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: *uncheck* it
09:09
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: Checked, or UNCHECKED?
09:10
it needs to be unchecked.
09:10* alkisg has to try this some time later on, as he's in the middle of something, with 1000+ windows open... :(
09:10
<sbalneav>
we do NOT want to deny tcp connections.
09:10
k, then one/both of bieb or _UsUrPeR_ can try it.
09:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: it was checked :)
09:10
<sbalneav>
so, uncheck it.
09:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
ya
09:11
<bieb>
ok.. checking it now
09:11
<sbalneav>
save, and restart your gdm
09:12
That file should have better exception handling anyway. Crapping out because TCP connections to the X server are denied isn't nice. A nice error message would be better.
09:14
<ltsppbot>
"bieb" pasted "Sabayon error log 2" (63 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/449
09:19
<gekkos>
vagrantc_: hi I have everything running now with rdp and lenny-backports, Do I have to install something in chroot to get the localdevices running, or to add something in lts.conf. many txs
09:19
<sbalneav>
bieb: this a different error from before, or an error generated after you've enabled TCP connections in X?
09:20
<vagrantc>
gekkos: ltsp-chroot apt-get install ltspfs
09:20
<bieb>
well I unchecked the box you mentioned.. and I gave an entire reboot...
09:20
<vagrantc>
gekkos: and you'll have to switch to NBD
09:20
<Gadi>
!RDP-localdev
09:20
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "RDP-localdev" is when I want to use local devices in an LTSP rdesktop session. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
09:24
<gekkos>
vagrantc_: with nfs it will not work ?
09:24
<vagrantc>
gekkos: i haven't gotten it to work
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09:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: froze again, but it did not create a log file
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09:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
(that was after restarting X)
09:32
<etyack>
_UsUrPeR_: x or gdm?
09:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
my bad, GDM
09:37
<sbalneav>
ok
09:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: still not making log files in /root/ what has changed?
09:48
also: froze after changing Users for a profile after creation
09:48
<rjune_wrk>
!g
09:48
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:49
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: OK, well, I'm looking at removing some options for xnest now.
09:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh
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10:09
<jammcq>
g'morning friends
10:09
<Lumiere>
hi jammcq
10:09
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hey jam
10:09
<jammcq>
hey jason
10:09
and alex
10:10* vagrantc waves
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10:11
<jammcq>
hey vagrantc
10:11
vagrantc: you at Debconf?
10:11
<vagrantc>
jammcq: indeed, indeed.
10:11
<jammcq>
wow, cool
10:11
<vagrantc>
no, quite hot
10:11
<jammcq>
I heard next year, Debconf will be in NYC
10:11
<vagrantc>
yes, nyc...
10:11
easier to get to by train :)
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10:12
<jammcq>
yeah, much easier for me
10:12
<vagrantc>
not nearly as good on the wine and cheese, though
10:12
<jammcq>
well.... true
10:12
and certainly not cheap
10:14* ogra looks up train connections to NYC
10:14
<vagrantc>
nyc has much better odds of decent vegetarian food, though
10:14
<ogra>
LIARS !
10:14
<jammcq>
nyc has EVERY kind of food
10:14
and some of it quite good
10:15
<CAN-o-SPAM>
jammcq: any recommendations? i'll be there this weekend
10:15
<jammcq>
CAN-o-SPAM: depends on the budget
10:15
<ogra>
dont miss the cheesecake :)
10:15
<jammcq>
CAN-o-SPAM: ask your dad about Peter Lugers in brooklyn
10:15
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: i do know there is some amazing spots to get a good cupcake
10:15
jammcq: he's mentioned it, thats on my list
10:17
<jammcq>
you can get a good sandwich at the Hello Deli on 53rd
10:17
<vagrantc>
daduke: hey, had dinner with a co-worker of yours last night!
10:17
<johnny>
baltimore :)
10:18
vagrantc, i want you to see our store sometime
10:18
<vagrantc>
johnny: maybe pre/post next year's debconf?
10:18
<johnny>
ogra, if you ever happen to come south
10:18
<daduke>
vagrantc: you did?
10:18
<johnny>
or are going north to NYC from dc or whatnot
10:18
<daduke>
vagrantc: who was that?
10:18* vagrantc is awful with names
10:18
<johnny>
the boltbus from greyhound can be as cheap as $1 in advance
10:18
<daduke>
vagrantc: ok, how's he look?
10:18
<johnny>
super advance
10:19
ogra, they have wifi and power outlets
10:19
<daduke>
vagrantc: or in other words: where did you have dinner w/ him?
10:19
<ogra>
johnny, well, i usually go west (quite a bit actually) if i go to NYC
10:19
<johnny>
you can get wifi and power outlets on buses all the way to montreal from DC
10:19
<ogra>
:)
10:19
<johnny>
just letting you know your options
10:19
<vagrantc>
daduke: at debconf9, in extremadura spain
10:19
<ogra>
ah
10:19
<daduke>
vagrantc: that would be Axel then.
10:20
vagrantc: aka XTaran
10:20
<ogra>
vagrantc, oh, it starts already ? i thought its still debcamp
10:20
<daduke>
vagrantc: good to know, I'll ask him about you :)
10:20
<vagrantc>
daduke: said things are going well with your LTSP install
10:20
ogra: i don't make much distinction between debcamp and debconf
10:20
<johnny>
i need somebody to provide me a virtual machine..
10:20
<ogra>
ah
10:20
<daduke>
vagrantc: we upgraded our TS to lenny, things are a lot smoother now (compared to etch+backports)
10:20* ogra virtuall yhand johnny a virtual machine
10:20
<ogra>
*hands
10:20
<johnny>
lol
10:20
thanks..
10:20
<vagrantc>
ogra: main difference is more people talking and less people hacking :)
10:21
<ogra>
yeah
10:21
well, i know many/most of my colleagues go there on wed.
10:21
<vagrantc>
daduke: now that you have found stability, perhaps i can interest you in some backports for lenny :)
10:21
<jammcq>
ogra: we're still shooting for Oct 22-25 for BTS. That's still somewhat flexible, but we need to nail it down soon
10:21
<daduke>
vagrantc: bring it on!
10:21
<ogra>
jammcq, doit
10:22
<jammcq>
ogra: question is... can YOU doit?
10:22
<vagrantc>
daduke: :)
10:22
<ogra>
i will make it possible somehow
10:22
<jammcq>
coooooool
10:22
sbalneav: ping
10:22* jammcq hasn't seen sbalneav in a week or so. I'm wondering if he's on vacation
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<ogra>
he was here today
10:22
<jammcq>
oh?
10:23
<daduke>
vagrantc: last week I had somebody here from another school in Zurich who wants to replace his ancient Gentoo LTSP installation (3? 4?) w/ a Debian one under our supervision...
10:23
<jammcq>
hmmmmm
10:23
<ogra>
discussing sabayon a lot
10:23
<jammcq>
I guess I was just late
10:23
<vagrantc>
daduke: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports
10:23
<daduke>
vagrantc: thanks. what's new in there?
10:24
<vagrantc>
daduke: curious. i had done some consulting for a school switching from gentoo ltsp ... exploring a FreeBSD something
10:24
daduke: zollickerberg?
10:24
<daduke>
vagrantc: !!!! yes!
10:24
<vagrantc>
zollicherberg?
10:24
<daduke>
vagrantc: no shit?
10:24
<vagrantc>
daduke: yes
10:24
<daduke>
vagrantc: then did you tell him to come to us?
10:25
<vagrantc>
daduke: new features include local apps, improved nbd root ... improved local devices ... it's just better. :)
10:25
<gekkos>
vagrantc: tried it with nfs and is quit buggy. any docu to easely switch to ndb so I can test this txs
10:25
<vagrantc>
daduke: no ... just must have found you :)
10:25
<daduke>
vagrantc: I'll have a look. thanks.
10:26
vagrantc: I see.
10:26
vagrantc: good talking to you. gotta run now.
10:26* vagrantc waves
10:26* daduke waves back
10:26* ogra strands
10:27
<vagrantc>
gekkos: not much in the way of docs ... it's pretty experimental yet ...
10:27
gekkos: easiest would probably be to re-install ...
10:28
gekkos: ltsp-build-client --squashfs-image --late-packages ltspfs
10:28
gekkos: be sure to upgrade ltsp-server to 5.1.77
10:28
<ogra>
--squashfs-image ?
10:28
thats the opposite to --skipimage on ubuntu ?
10:29
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah. disabled by default in debian, and there are other image options
10:29
<ogra>
heh
10:29
<vagrantc>
the other options are --create-ext2-image and --create-fs-image FOO
10:30
<ogra>
nice
10:30
<johnny>
maybe you should use --create-image=bool or something..
10:30
and just change the default..
10:30
between distros
10:30
<vagrantc>
johnny: well, they're pretty different setups ...
10:30
<johnny>
ah :(
10:31
as soon as the dracut people make it a bit easier to determine what kernel modules get put in the initramfs.. i'm going to give that a shot..
10:31
<vagrantc>
"--squashfs-image" is basically just like ubuntu's default ... the others still use bind-mounts by default, though it isn't hard to switch to aufs or some such
10:32
first two days here at debconf9 i spent working on NBD support in debian's LTSP
10:32
<johnny>
hopefully union mounts will both do what we need.. and be merged soon
10:32
<ogra>
not so likely
10:32
it was just all ripped out upstream
10:33
<johnny>
what was?
10:33
<ogra>
union support
10:33
<johnny>
do you mean unionfs ?
10:33
<ogra>
all union filesystems were ripped out
10:33
<johnny>
yes..
10:33
union filesystems != union mounts
10:33
iirc
10:33
<ogra>
and mount --union wont be there so quickly
10:33
<johnny>
:(
10:33
<ogra>
has massive issues
10:34
which is why ubuntu re-added aufs
10:34
<johnny>
al viro was the one championing it.. and won't let anything else actually be in mainline that isn't it..
10:34
<ogra>
which took a huge amount of work
10:34
<johnny>
one of the ones anyways
10:34
<ogra>
right
10:34
but dont expect it to appear fast
10:34
<johnny>
this union mounts saga has been ongoing for more than a few years now
10:35
<ogra>
if there would have been the slightest chance it could be there before the karmic release in a stable and usable form, our kernel team would have waited for it
10:35
but it doesnt look like it will enter .31
10:36
so probably something to wait for in .32 or .33 or even later
10:36
<johnny>
i've just been using tmpfs bindmounts until it happens
10:36
<vagrantc>
but some slight hope of actually seeing a workable union sort of thingy in-kernel ?
10:36
<ogra>
yes
10:36
<johnny>
vagrantc, that's the only workable solution allowed :)
10:36
<ogra>
its being worked on
10:36
but far from being ready
10:37* vagrantc has been hoping for that since around 2001
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<sbalneav>
Hmmm, I'm having a packaging/cdbs problem, maybe someone can help.
11:34
So, I've used cdbs-edit-patch to create a sabayon patch for switching to Xephyr
11:35
It involved updating configure.ac, re-generating configure, and (most importantly) updating debian/control to depend on xserver-xephyr for both build-dep and install.
11:36
debuild -S -sa
11:36
build fails with:
11:36
oh, did my dch -i as well
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<sbalneav>
configure: error: Xephyr binary not found
11:37
make: *** [config.status] Error 1
11:37
dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
11:38
ah
11:38
ergh
11:38
Maybe I should edit control.in.
11:38
unomomento
11:39
Oh, one other thing
11:39
when I re-run autoconf to regenerate configure from the configure.ac, it also adds to the patch a ton of the .cache stuff that autoconf creates, that's not needed.
11:39
any way to prevent that with cdbs-edit-patch?
11:43* _UsUrPeR_ \ 0_o /
11:45
<sbalneav>
Nope, same thing.
11:46
vagrantc_ and/or ogra
11:46
any idears?
11:46
<ogra>
remove it before savig the patch
11:47
<sbalneav>
remove... control?
11:47
<ogra>
.cache
11:47
<sbalneav>
ah
11:47
ok
11:47
Any idea on the control issue?
11:47
<ogra>
and do all autoconf stuff in a separate patch
11:48
are you sure the binary has a capital X ?
11:48
<sbalneav>
debuild -S -sa complains about not finding xephyr, but I change the build-dep from xnest to xserver-xephyr
11:48
sbalneav@titan:~$ which Xephyr
11:48
/usr/bin/Xephyr
11:48
Seems to.
11:49
<ogra>
ok, do you probably need to give the full path in the config option ?
11:50
<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:50
<sbalneav>
AC_PATH_PROG(XNEST_PATH,Xephyr,no)
11:50
<ogra>
oh, and do you see it installing xserver-xephyr in pbuilder ?
11:50
<sbalneav>
it's using AC_PATH_PROG, so no.
11:50
debuild isn't using the pbuilder, is it?
11:50
<ogra>
oh, indeed it isnt
11:51
<sbalneav>
I'm not at the pbuilder step yet.
11:51
<ogra>
though for dependency issues i'd recomment using pbuilder
11:51
it always starts with a clean environment, so you see if all deps are correct
11:52
<sbalneav>
Oh, I'm following the packaging guide, so I'm doing cdbs-edit-patch -> dch -i -> debuild -S -sa -> sudp pbulder build -> dput
11:52
<ogra>
right
11:54* ogra grabs the karmic sourcepackage
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11:55
<ogra>
you made your change in control.in, right ?
11:55
<sbalneav>
right
11:55
<ogra>
cdbs will regenerate control from it
11:56
<sbalneav>
so, once I do the dch -i, is there another command I can run to generate the .dsc other than debuild?
11:57
<ogra>
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa is what i use ... but its essentially the same
11:57
what is XNEST_PATH set to ?
11:58
<sbalneav>
it obviously KNOWS it needs xephyr, since that's the error it dies with. It's just not getting installed in the fakeroot.
11:58
so something with the build-depp's not working
11:59
but xserver-xephyr's listed in the build-dep in the control.in file.
11:59
<ogra>
if test "x$XNEST_PATH" = "xno" ; then
11:59
AC_MSG_ERROR(Xnest binary not found)
11:59
fi
11:59
<sbalneav>
right, and I'm changing Xnest to Xephyr
11:59
in the configure.ac
12:00
<ogra>
and what is XNEST_PATH set to ?
12:00
<sbalneav>
How do I tell that from the debuild?
12:00
<ogra>
no idea, print it somehow
12:00
<sbalneav>
Hm
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<ogra>
add a line to configure
12:01
<sbalneav>
ok, I can try. Can't remember how to do that, off the top of my head.
12:01
I'd assume since I'm getting configure: error: Xephyr binary not found
12:02
it's set to "xno" :)
12:02
<ogra>
right, try exporting it or so
12:02
<sbalneav>
lemme see
12:06
going for lunch, back in a bit
12:07
<ogra>
stgraber, no ltsp update for A3 ?
12:07
(alternate isos are already being tested)
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<Lns>
greets vagrantc
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<atomic007za>
???
14:45
<sbalneav>
bbiab = be back in a bit
14:48
ogra: I think I have it solved, but now I may have another silly problem. I talked to LaserJock, and he pointed out I shouldn't be *patching* control.in, I should simply *edit* it.
14:49
<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "pbuilder takes a smell. xserver-xephyr virtual?!?!" (160 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/450
14:50
<sbalneav>
ogra: now I get that
14:51
Or anyone else familiar with debian style packaging
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<ace_suares>
!seen ogra
14:54
<ltspbot>
ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 47 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <ogra> (alternate isos are already being tested)
14:55
<ace_suares>
hi all
14:55
loooong time no see
14:56
Finally got around to installing ubuntu 9.04 on my ltsp server, I was eager to use firefox as local app
14:56
on the edubuntu homepage it says it's very easy
14:56
it is, very easy, to get firefox up and running as local app
14:57
however, to get it to use internet... is a different thing
14:57
and flash... the whole point is to get the &*&&**& flash working locally.
14:57
I googled and searched, but a good step by step tutorial on how to get a usable ff on local apps, i could not find.
14:58
Please if anyone know where it is, pray tell me....
14:58
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT i just found this maybe that helps..
15:03
<sbalneav>
ace_suares: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
15:03
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
15:04
make sure you install firefox and flash in your chroot.
15:05
<atomic007za>
How can I stop ppl from dragging short cuts onto desktop
15:06
<ace_suares>
atomic007za: make the Desktop folder read-only
15:06
<sbalneav>
Difficult within gnome. You could always make their Desktop directory root owned.
15:07
<atomic007za>
ace: would I do this for easch user? over 800
15:07
<ace_suares>
scotty!!!!!
15:08
atomic007za: chown root /home/*/Desktop maybe ?
15:08
<sbalneav>
atomic007za: yes.
15:08
Hello ace_suares
15:08
<atomic007za>
hah
15:08
thanks ace
15:09
<ace_suares>
sbalneav: long time. Hope you are fine. Local apps in jaunty looks wonderfull! But now anyone can do ALT-F2 localapps something? thats a whole new paradigm (in security)
15:09
<atomic007za>
is there an "encarta 2009" for linux/ubuntu?
15:09
<ace_suares>
atomic007za: wikipedia ?
15:10
<atomic007za>
lol
15:10
ok
15:10
I menat something to install
15:10
<ace_suares>
sbalneav: getting ff to work was easy but the internet part is more difficult, on top of that the resolv.conf stuff.
15:10
<atomic007za>
no internet connection necsary
15:11
<ace_suares>
Wouldnt' it be easier to install squid on the ltsp server and let the local firefox use that proxy ?
15:11
<sbalneav>
ace_suares: it's up to you. Either use iptables or a squid proxy.
15:12
atomic007za: Yes. You can install a local copy of wikipedia.
15:12
<ace_suares>
Using the proxy at least keeps the IP traffic within the LTSp server. I'll try that.
15:12
<atomic007za>
really?
15:12
<sbalneav>
You can actually download all the wikipedia data, and set up your own copy of wikipedia.
15:13
<ace_suares>
Wikipedia:Database download - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_database>
15:13
<sbalneav>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_database
15:13
<ace_suares>
:-)
15:13
<atomic007za>
thanks, will look into it
15:13
<sbalneav>
beat me.
15:13
<ace_suares>
sbalneav: yeah but you rememberd to do it i forgot all about that and had a laugh first i read it :-)
15:14
it's not like a copy of the internet just a small portion :-)
15:14
off installing the proxy. Or as a matter of fact, can't I just do a tcp redirect... no... probably not...
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<sbalneav>
bieb, _UsUrPeR_, still about?
15:24
<bieb>
yeah scott
15:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
still here for about 8 minutes
15:26
<sbalneav>
ok, I'm about to dput a new version of sabayon
15:26
<bieb>
cool
15:26
<sbalneav>
0ubuntu11
15:26
It uses Xephyr instead of Xnest.
15:27
Xephyr has a known problem with Sabyon: no keyboard input possible.
15:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
D:
15:27
<sbalneav>
it's an xevent problem, and I may be able to solve it, but it will be interesting to see if you can at least get the desktop screen up to edit.
15:28
<ace_suares>
sbalneav: what about this: apt-get install redir
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<bieb>
sbalneav: ok
15:29
<ace_suares>
then: redir --laddr=192.168.0.1 --lport=3128 --caddr=10.0.0.1 --cport=3128 --bind_addr=10.0.0.2
15:29
seems to work excellently
15:29
<sbalneav>
If it works, it works :)
15:32
bieb, and _UsUrPeR_, keep an eye on: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
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<sbalneav>
when you see the build's done, give it a go.
15:33
<bieb>
ok
15:33
can i do an apt-get to update it?
15:34
<sbalneav>
If you've added my ppa to your sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade should pull it in.
15:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: rgr
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I'll give it a shot tomorrow and forward results
15:35
<sbalneav>
Let me know. I might spend some time tonight on the keyboard events, but I've also got an ldm bug to hammer out, so...
15:35* sbalneav shrugs.
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<atomic007za>
q
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<ace_suares>
documentation http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=1&news_id=253#news-top
16:24
<sbalneav>
ace_suares: Why document there, where nobody will see it, rather than adding it to the Ubuntu LTSP portal?
16:27
<alkisg>
ace_suares: "By the way, I tried 'locate lts_parameters.txt' but found nothing." ==> zcat /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/lts-parameters.txt.gz | less
16:27
It
16:27
*It's with a dash, not an underscore...
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<sbalneav>
Heading home for the day, be on later tonight.
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<ace_suares>
alkisg: but it says lts_parameters.txt (with an underscore).
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<ace_suares>
alkisg: in lts.conf example thingy.
16:33
<alkisg>
ace_suares: where?
16:35
<ace_suares>
alkisg: in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/hare/dic/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts.conf
16:35
dic=doc
16:36
hare=share
16:36
and on the web
16:36
<alkisg>
ace_suares: so file a bug..
16:36
<ace_suares>
alkisg: yeah sure
16:37
<alkisg>
To search for a package files, another way is: dpkg -L ltsp-server
16:37
This way you see all of the files, and lts-parameters.txt is among them
16:37
<ace_suares>
alkisg: thanks for the hint
16:37
<alkisg>
np
16:39
<Gadi>
ace_suares: that resolv.conf bug was a nasty one and makes local apps less pleasant. It was fixed in 5.1.74, which I think is in karmic's repository and stgraber's ppa - not sure if it is in jaunty updates yet or not
16:40
<ace_suares>
sbalneav: well to let it be read first by you before i post somehting stupid on a portal that is not my own.
16:41
...and i diont know where the damn portal is and how to edit and how to name stuff and so on
16:41
but I hope someone with more experience will hold my hand or put it there themselves the rest is googlefodder.
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<map7>
If I update the kernel on my for my clients in the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory do I have to run ltsp-update-image as well as ltsp-update-kernels? or just ltsp-update-kernels?
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<jdu>
on ltsp clients, it is possible to change the 'default' session to the .xsession file?
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<sbalneav>
map7: yes
19:46
jdu: Yes. Check the docks
19:46
!docs
19:46
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
19:51
<stgraber>
sbalneav: hey, any news regarding ldm ?
19:52
<jdu>
sbalneav: thanks
19:58
<map7>
sbalneav is it safe to run a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on my chroot ltsp client directory, to upgrade the kernel?
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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<sbalneav>
stgraber: working on it now.
20:57
<stgraber>
sbalneav: thanks a lot
20:57
<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:02
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<map7>
I keep getting a Kernel call returned: Broken pipe Reconnecting error on my clients when I boot, could this be a bug?
22:39
I'm running Ubuntu 904 32bit
22:41
Full error: http://pastie.org/554552
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<sbalneav>
sigh. There's two people in the sabayon channel. Me and a silent sam.
23:27
This is... depressing.
23:30
<johnny>
bug federico directly
23:31
he should be elsewhere
23:31
perhaps at a different time than now tho
23:34
<sbalneav>
I guess.
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<stgraber>
ogra: just uploaded 5.1.68 to archive, package builds correctly and seems to contain everything though I didn't have the time to actually boot a thin client with it and it's lacking alkisg's udhcpc script that I didn't have time to try first.