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Channel log from 7 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<lupine_85>
ho de hum, is it normal to have problems with local devices? specifically, I've got a USB mass storage device and when plugged in locally, copying dies very quickly with 'couldn't allocate memory' and 'transport endpoint not connected'
02:07
not sure how much RAM it's trying to allocate, but it's got 1.5GB free on the client and 800MB free on the host
02:21
<johnny>
not a good time to ask
02:21
the people who would know just aren't around this late
02:23
<lupine_85>
08:20am UK time? :p
02:23
<johnny>
sure
02:24
it's still quite early in the us
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<lupine_85>
midnight-3am, I guess?
02:25
<johnny>
3am here on the east coast
02:25
yeah
02:25
<lupine_85>
silly timezones. If only the earth were flat, eh?
02:26
<johnny>
even our fellow greek alkisg doesn't come around til later
02:26
guess he doesn't come on until after work
02:27
<cyberorg>
lupine_85, earth _is_ flat http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
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<lupine_85>
mm, they're almost as funny as the christian scientists
02:32
ah well, off to work I go
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<maginot>
morning...
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
hi #ltsp!
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<ball>
hello CAN-o-SPAM
09:06
CAN-o-SPAM: aren't you supposed to sell us something? ;-)
09:07
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ball: sure ... what would you like to buy! :)
09:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey ball
09:08
<ball>
1220 PXE, but probably not today.
09:08
hello _UsUrPeR_
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
ball: i have a special running ... buy a 1220 today, receive a free smile! ... are you sure?
09:09
<ball>
...won't know until after I've seen the smile ;-)
09:11* CAN-o-SPAM smiles big
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<bieb>
\join #crossover
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oops
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<ball>
CAN-o-SPAM: Do they support X video and AIGLX?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ball: X video?
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as in video? in X?
09:29
<ball>
_UsUrPeR_: X video is an extension to X that supports video across the LAN
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<ball>
(or within the same machine)
09:29
_UsUrPeR_: (hardware accelerated video)
09:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
so you are wondering if the VIA video chipset supports X Video?
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<ball>
_UsUrPeR_: Not so much the chipset as LTSP
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(and the X drivers)
09:49
It's a given that the chipset does.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ball: Not quite sure. I'll see if I can find out though.
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<ball>
ok
09:51
I have successfully run video over 100baseTX.
09:51
Haven't tried hardware accellerated 3D yet, but I probably should.
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<capetown2>
I have just used Jaunty alternate CD to install a LTSP server. However I only had ONE nic in at the time. Only at the end of the "successful" install was I told that I should install a second nic and set the dhcph interface in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to a static interface. Can anyone tell me what the line I must insert into this file should look like... Thank you!
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<jammcq>
hello friends
10:28
<denisesballs>
hey guys, where do you actually edit the layout of LDM? the greeter-gtkrc appears to just control colors and themes, i see no reference to the actual images in there
10:29
<knipwim>
The themes of the LDM greeter are stored in /opt/ltsp/x86/usr/share/ldm/themes where the symlink default points to the chosen theme.
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<knipwim>
where /opt/ltsp is my chroot base
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<ogra>
and where non gentoo architecture subdirs are called i386 :)
10:30
<denisesballs>
yep, i got that
10:31
in each theme folder, there is a greeter-gtkrc file
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but that doesnt appear to affect the layout, just the theme/colors
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<ogra>
the image names are hardcoded in the greeter, just use the same names your new images
10:31
+for
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<jammcq>
ogra: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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<denisesballs>
what i'm actually trying to do is move the "Username: " and box over a little bit cuz it's not quite centered i noticed
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<denisesballs>
i'm taking it you can't edit that then?
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<bieb>
If I make Firefox a local app.. should I still do this?? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Firefox3Optimize
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<denisesballs>
i just tricked it by adding space in the actual logo
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<ball>
denisesballs: nasty
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<denisesballs>
what is the best way to adjust the gnome menu globally for all users?
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<IBC_jkenney>
hello has anyone installed zimbra desktop on LTSP
13:46
<Appiah>
sounds intressting
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<Pulga>
does anybody could help me detecting local HD using thin client
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<Pulga>
under thin clinet
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<Pulga>
hop
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does anybody could help me detecting local HD using thin client??
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<Gadi>
LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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in lts.conf
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<jammcq>
Gadi?
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<Gadi>
sorta
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:)
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<jammcq>
Gadi: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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<Gadi>
totally been there - lots of fun - highly recommend it
15:51
<jammcq>
yeah, i've heard
15:52
<Gadi>
seen folks eat these big red cockroaches the size of your head and enjoy them
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<ltsplogbot>
I don't know who folks is.
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<jammcq>
I met him once
15:52
he's a nice guy
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<Gadi>
indeed
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when he's sober
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<jammcq>
yeah, when he's drinking, he gets mean. he's a mean drunk.
15:53
<IBC_jkenney>
Hey
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<Gadi>
stupid mean
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<IBC_jkenney>
how is everyone
15:53
<Gadi>
ltsplogbot: seen everyone
15:54
<IBC_jkenney>
Gadi thanks for all that help the other day man
15:54
<Gadi>
np
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<IBC_jkenney>
can i make the thin client locked into chroot
15:54
<Gadi>
IBC_jkenney: you haven't been replaced by a random word generator, have you?
15:54
<IBC_jkenney>
lol no
15:54
just scattered brain today
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<Gadi>
ah, its going around
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:)
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<IBC_jkenney>
lots to do stress is high
15:55
lol
15:55
I wanna go hang with the mean drunk
15:55
<Gadi>
hey jammcq - you know IBC_jkenney here's in Michigan?
15:55
<jammcq>
oh?
15:55
where at?
15:55
<IBC_jkenney>
Royal Oak (work)
15:55
<jammcq>
oh wow
15:55
<IBC_jkenney>
Port Huron (live)
15:56
<jammcq>
I was in Royal Oak last friday
15:56
<IBC_jkenney>
oh yeah
15:56
small world eh?
15:56
<jammcq>
yeah
15:56
i'm in clarkston now
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<IBC_jkenney>
what were you out here for
15:56
fun?
15:56
or work?
15:58
<jammcq>
birthday party for eTyack
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<IBC_jkenney>
Nice
16:01
<jammcq>
Gadi: so... did you sign up for BTS yet?
16:01
<Gadi>
DONT RUSH ME!!!!!
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:)
16:02
<IBC_jkenney>
Do you gents feel like helping me with a few things (I might almost be done) or is it TGIF today :)
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<Pulga>
does anybody could help me detecting local HD using thin client??
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<Gadi>
Pulga: LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False in lts.conf
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<Pulga>
after that what i should run??
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Gadi: lts.conf is ok, what more?
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<Gadi>
Pulga: that should be it
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by default, LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS is True
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which is why internal disks don't show up
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<Pulga>
after that ltsp-update-image?
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<Gadi>
nope
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<Pulga>
where I find the HD?
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<Gadi>
you use: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i286/lts.conf
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if you don't have one, make one
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[dafault]
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LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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like that
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<Pulga>
/opt/ltsp/i386
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etc/lts.conf
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<Gadi>
nope
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<Pulga>
under ubuntu
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<Gadi>
leave that one alone
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create a file;
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/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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and put two lines:
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[dafault]
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LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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er, sorry
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[default]
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can't type today
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:)
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the thin client downloads lts.conf via tftp every time it boots
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so you don't have to update the image
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<Pulga>
I'll try
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so, I will reboot now
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<IBC_jkenney>
I would like the thin client to be locked into chroot is that possible
16:47* Gadi still does not understand IBC_jkenney
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<IBC_jkenney>
well if i login to the thin client I can actually see the servers file system
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<Gadi>
no you cant
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you're logging into the server
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thats why you see the server's filesystem
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if you log into the thin client console, you will only see the thin client filesystem
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<Gadi>
now, if you wanted to run your desktop and all of your applications locally, then you would only see the thin client filesystem
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<IBC_jkenney>
oops your right (it really has been a long day)
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<Gadi>
but, of course, then you are not really running a thin client
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:)
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<IBC_jkenney>
Ok but i am having problems locking it down. I want to create a NFS share and store the home directories there when the client boots
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<Gadi>
easy enough
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of course the first sentence is a non-sequitor to the second
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<IBC_jkenney>
I also want the users to login to samba shares but create a script or something that will auto mount their shares based on their login
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<Gadi>
and the client booting is not the causal event to the homedir being shared
16:52
all sounds prefectly resonable
16:52
I'm behind you 100%
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<IBC_jkenney>
Ok the problems that i am having is i get some errors doing boot on the thin clients about NBD file system
16:53
I also want to lock down the profiles but sabayaon is broken
16:53
<Gadi>
again, a non-sequitor
16:53
hehe
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<IBC_jkenney>
:)
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<Gadi>
I can tell by your comments, that it is Friday
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<IBC_jkenney>
i am under the gun and very tired and would like to spend the next hour just getting this crap done
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<Gadi>
:)
16:54
ah, ok
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hehe
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well, first you gotta get your head around it
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<IBC_jkenney>
Right and i'm having a problem with that today gimmie a sec to eat
16:54
<Gadi>
and tackle each thing independently
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<IBC_jkenney>
something
16:54
i think thats my prob
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(salad) :(
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(diet) :(
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<Gadi>
all the things you mentioned are, for the most part, independent issues
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well, maybe not the eating thing
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:)
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IBC_jkenney: just keep in mind - its a dumb thin client
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all the homedir, share-mounting, lockdown crap is on the server
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the thin client "tunes in" a desktop like a TV set
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<IBC_jkenney>
Ok first thing i'd like to get moving on i still have the problem where when I put a usb drive on one client it shows up on all the desktops
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<Gadi>
hmm... that workaround should have fixed it
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<IBC_jkenney>
can you resend the work around and let me double check it
16:58
<Gadi>
its on the wiki... /me gets the URL
16:59
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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<IBC_jkenney>
ok
17:06
i am back
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sorry boss and i had to redo the how to because i reverted to a snap shot
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so now this should just work
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or do i have to reboot
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or anything
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<Gadi>
just plug in a USB stick
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<IBC_jkenney>
ok that is done
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<Gadi>
did it work?
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<IBC_jkenney>
yeah i must have did something wrong last time
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<Gadi>
cool
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<IBC_jkenney>
but can i be sneeky and block the use of removable media unless your the member of a special group
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<Gadi>
well, if you are not a member of the "fuse" group, removable media doesnt work
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so, yes
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:)
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<IBC_jkenney>
ok great
17:11
now i have a profile i created with the menu layout and the applications i want for regular end users can i do anything to make the profile default for all normal thin client users
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<Gadi>
second time today someone asked me that
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<IBC_jkenney>
was it me
17:12
in a different window lol
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<Gadi>
no
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:)
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its been a while since I locked down things
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I think most stuff gets recorded in ~/.config
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when it comes to menus and such
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honestly, I think you're better off with google than with me on this one
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:)
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<IBC_jkenney>
but the trick is when i add a new user to the system that profile is used
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<Gadi>
right
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<IBC_jkenney>
I tried google
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<Gadi>
in theory, that's what sabayon is all about
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<IBC_jkenney>
everyone says to use the GUI
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yeah but it crashes
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i even tried the fix
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<Gadi>
so I hear
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well, the way I would do it
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which is prolly the poor-man's unsophisticated way
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is to look and see what changes in the user's homedir that effects the changes I want
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and then either write a login script to copy things in on login
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or put it in /etc/skel or some such
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<IBC_jkenney>
i was thinking of making it part of skel
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;)
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<Gadi>
and change ownership to root
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<Gadi>
so it cannot be modified by the user
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<IBC_jkenney>
right but i want the user to be able to add bookmarks and what not
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<Gadi>
well, bookmarks are in a different place
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actually, gnome's website should have some good docs
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it is their desktop, after all
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:)
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anyhow, I totally need to get home
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so short answers are:
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<IBC_jkenney>
I understand
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<Gadi>
NFS mount /home
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<IBC_jkenney>
but i can get one more question
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<Gadi>
from somewhere
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<IBC_jkenney>
when I try to install zimbra-desktop
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<Gadi>
(make it automatic in /etc/fstab)
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<IBC_jkenney>
on a thin client
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<Gadi>
and mount samba shares with pam_mount
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<IBC_jkenney>
it gets stuck
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it states it cannot find X
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<Gadi>
(look at the ActiveDirectory integration thing on the wiki)
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<IBC_jkenney>
ok
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<Gadi>
install zimbra-desktop on the server
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<IBC_jkenney>
Gadi thanks again when this is all done i'll have to send you a gift card or something
17:18
<Gadi>
not on the client
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<IBC_jkenney>
ok
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here is the other thing
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<Gadi>
don't install stuff in the chroot
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<IBC_jkenney>
the server for some reason is all of a sudden running in low resolutino mode
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<Gadi>
keep the client dumb!
17:19
you mean when you are sitting at the server with a monitor plugged in?
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<IBC_jkenney>
right
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its a VM
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actually
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<Gadi>
ah
17:20
wrong drivers?
17:20
<IBC_jkenney>
I thought that i called VM
17:20
they say no
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but i am suspect
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we have a support contract
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<Gadi>
well, check the server's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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it tells all
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good luck, IBC_jkenney, and happy friday!
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<allyourbass>
oI!
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so i tried editing my .profile to auto start conky and xpad, and its not working ...
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can someone slap me in the right direction
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<allyourbass>
this is ltsp on debian lenny
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via the client
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hey friends
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hey jammcq
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